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Debaser wrote:

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

I'm probably too much of a technophobe or, technically speaking, a twot to pick up any remastering differences, not like a radical remix reworking to my ears. My guess for this 'unreleased' batch of edits is that they're simply that, edited versions of the originals like what they did on One True Passion V 2.0. I can edit myself by switching off the CD and shooting my wad all over Melanie C's pretty, doe-like eyes instead. Still, always nice to have news from the Lec. I'm STILL missing the Until The End Of Time reworkings!

I've never owned One True Passion in any shape or form. Pictures look nice on version 1. Version 2.0 would seem to be the obvious choice for the extra tunes. Was thinking of getting it. But what's this business about edited versions? Is there anything that's inferior about version 2.0?

Yes as NME pointed out, the pictures (and titles) promise more earcandy than is actually delivered. In 1990 I had two interests, New Order and masturbating, so this was a case of 2 birds / 1 stone. I wouldn't say the versions are inferior, just edited to leave space for 'em all - in fact I'd concur with biographer and superfan Claude Flowers that the Revenge tracks tended to be stronger when edited. Too much meandering in there - all the complexity of Perfect Kiss but none of the structure.

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The artwork's out:

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Could you make that a bit LARGER?

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The samples are up on Amazon - HERE I don't think much to the TT mix [:(]

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What the fuck's going on with "Feel Every Beat"? It's a new mix. but an "Edit" for some reason. So where's Stephen Hague's single mix gone then?

There's about 30 minutes of free space on CD 2, which could have been filled with tracks that would cushion the disappointment of what we're actually getting. And "Twisted Tenderness" sounds rubbish. Still it might have a vocal without Sumner's speech impediment.

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djrigby1969 wrote: What the fuck's going on with "Feel Every Beat"? It's a new mix. but an "Edit" for some reason. So where's Stephen Hague's single mix gone then?

It's not a new mix but sounds like a rehash of the Tactile/Downstairs mixes from the US Feel Every Beat Maxi-Single. They obviously preferred those mixes over the Hague one and decided to crank out a new edit. Personally, my favourite version of that track - even over the album mix - is the Danny Rampling a.k.a. UK 12" mix. Sublime remix and they even sampled bits of it for their live rendition of the track.

djrigby1969 wrote: There's about 30 minutes of free space on CD 2, which could have been filled with tracks that would cushion the disappointment of what we're actually getting. And "Twisted Tenderness" sounds rubbish. Still it might have a vocal without Sumner's speech impediment.

I half agree, putting "edits" of album tracks we already have is pretty pointless no matter how well remastered. I was really hoping for some alternate mixes and/or demo versions but no such luck. I honestly don't see the point in listening to a 2013 "edit" of a song from 1996 when I can just listen to the original full length version. Don't agree on Twisted Tenderness though; getting the instrumental may be a little underwhelming but I'm liking the sound of that guitar mix. Again it sounds like one of those great (lost) New Order tracks which with you-know-who's bass and a little bit of production magic could have been a classic. No offence to Johnny Marr of course, his guitar work on TT is outstanding and still sounds fresh.

Oh well, we take what we can get I suppose but it's hard to believe the Best Of was almost 6 years ago now. I guess with both Raise The Pressure and Twisted Tenderness tracks on the bonus disc this means we won't be seeing deluxe editions of those two albums pretty much ever which is a bit of a shame but not entirely unexpected. If it's not going to sell or will only attract a niche interest, the record industry simply ain't interested.

Would still like to know what this fabled third disc has on it; £20 for a 2 disc reissue is pretty pricey but would make sense if there was a third disc.

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Picked up a 2xCDr promo of this a couple of weeks ago (sorry no sharing, it's out very shortly anyway).

First impressions of the new album remastering are um, neutral; there's no earth-shattering improvement over the Owen Morris effort from '94 which was already very good. Still, if you don't have the '94 reissue then it's a definite improvement over the original Factory pressing from '91. Overall, it's still a remarkably fresh and slick sounding album 22 years on, 5 stars etc.

The second disc as discussed is a bit of a random bunch. Most of the edits are either new instrumental mixes or clipped versions of stuff we already have. The Raise The Pressure-era tracks are re-edited with both Bernard's and the female backing vocals completely removed. Some people will find that an improvement and their absence does add a new dimension to the music. Visit Me and Until The End Of Time as instrumentals are densely packed with loads going on in them. Feel Every Beat is definitely just a variant of the Downstairs Mix from the US Maxi-Single as previously noted, I wish they'd used the Danny Rampling 12" instead.

For me, the stand out track of the second disc is definitely the Guitar / Vocal Mix of Twisted Tenderness which is superb. It wouldn't have been out of place on the final album and a lovely hidden gem to receive after 14 years. The TT Instrumental is based on the original keyboard mix but has it's own little tweaks here and there beats-wise.

Ultimately as a discography geek it would've been nicer to have reissues of all 3 albums with era specific tracks but this is definitely better than nothing and worth the money.

More info on the Discogs entry.

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Michael Monkhouse wrote:

Kelvin wrote: Agree, no need for a remaster.

I'd like to get my hands on the alternative versions of TT though, they suggest that there was a TT single planned once.

Well TT was oft referred to as a potential single and as the Net went ballistic there was an unofficial poll to get it out as a single (June 23, http://www.worldinmotion.net/newsroom/1999.htm). Would've worked but... Incidentally in this period all the offshoots suffered a lost CD single - O2's We Can Fly, 'Lec's Late at Night, Monaco's I've Got A Feeling.

The preview is up on the uk itunes. The album sounds improved to me so a remaster can sound better Check it out https://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/electronic-special-edition/id599132582

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Make It Happen was originally meant to be the first single off TT.

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I was about to order it. Then i saw the price. A bit pricy for something ii own 98% off. I really want guitar TT. Hopefully .mp3 will be available to purchase .

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Jim wrote: I was about to order it. Then i saw the price. A bit pricy for something ii own 98% off. I really want guitar TT. Hopefully .mp3 will be available to purchase .

£18.42 and they wonder why people illegally download stuff!

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neworderweb.net wrote:

Jim wrote: I was about to order it. Then i saw the price. A bit pricy for something ii own 98% off. I really want guitar TT. Hopefully .mp3 will be available to purchase .

£18.42 and they wonder why people illegally download stuff!

£13.99 from Record Store Link Here

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The Amazon UK price has dropped to £12.50 just as an FYI

They've also uploaded the rear artwork with final track listing (same as promo).

Spotted some UK press reviews... Q magazine gives the reissue 4 stars (in 1991 they originally gave it 5) and a fair review. Mojo gives it 3 stars and seems to think it's an underwhelming LP but the reviewer seemed pretty determined to compare it directly to New Order/Smiths which is a bit lazy. It's a different musical climate today obviously so synthpop/house is not as much in favour as it was in the early 90s. The Pet Shop Boys' collaborations are gone over in both reviews which is to be expected.

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NotAMod wrote: Amazon is now showing a 3 disc "boxset" version available for pre-order.

Did owt happen about this?

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Michael Monkhouse wrote:

NotAMod wrote: Amazon is now showing a 3 disc "boxset" version available for pre-order.

Did owt happen about this?

No, aside from Amazon (briefly) listing it as a 3 disc box-set no other info on an extra disc ever materialised.

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Thanks. I thought as much.

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I just got my copy today (UK import from Amazon JP) and it's quite a delight.

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NotAMod wrote: Make It Happen was originally meant to be the first single off TT.

Yeah but I read they found it difficult to edit into a radio-friendly hit. Quick off the mark ain't I?

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UpDownTurnAround wrote:

Releasing each album seperately with each albums associated BSides and demos and remixes and live / TV performance versions would have been the way to go IMO

is it bro wrote: This is one album I dont feel needs any remastering. the production and mixing is top notch and it sounds blimming great on CD (IMO).

I came here to post almost exactly this. It would have been MUCH better to simply re-issue all three albums, as they're classics in their own right, and include accompanying B-sides/mixes to each one accordingly. Sticking songs from the two proceeding albums on a package that's supposed to be focused on the *original* Electronic album is head-scratching to say the least. Not to mention releasing edited versions of some of these great songs is a travesty to me personally, as I cannot stand edited versions of songs...in my eyes, they're "mangled" versions(see True Faith/Perfect Kiss).

Anyway as a die hard Electronic fan, I will probably pick this up since I only own the original Factory "Red" '91 release and was admittedly unaware of the Owen Morris '94 re-release until I read this thread. Good to know. I just need one thing cleared up...are there *any* cuts, edits or changes to the original tracks on disc 1 from the original '91 release? Please tell me they're identical otherwise this is a dealbreaker.

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isamu wrote:

UpDownTurnAround wrote:

Releasing each album seperately with each albums associated BSides and demos and remixes and live / TV performance versions would have been the way to go IMO

is it bro wrote: This is one album I dont feel needs any remastering. the production and mixing is top notch and it sounds blimming great on CD (IMO).

I came here to post almost exactly this. It would have been MUCH better to simply re-issue all three albums, as they're classics in their own right, and include accompanying B-sides/mixes to each one accordingly. Sticking songs from the two proceeding albums on a package that's supposed to be focused on the *original* Electronic album is head-scratching to say the least. Not to mention releasing edited versions of some of these great songs is a travesty to me personally, as I cannot stand edited versions of songs...in my eyes, they're "mangled" versions(see True Faith/Perfect Kiss).

Anyway as a die hard Electronic fan, I will probably pick this up since I only own the original Factory "Red" '91 release and was admittedly unaware of the Owen Morris '94 re-release until I read this thread. Good to know. I just need one thing cleared up...are there *any* cuts, edits or changes to the original tracks on disc 1 from the original '91 release? Please tell me they're identical otherwise this is a dealbreaker.

The original tracks are identical, although 'Getting Away With It' is also included which I believe wasn't in the original release.

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The horse has clearly bolted but personally and for fun this would've worked better as the remastered bonus disc:

The original 7" singles:

  1. Getting away with it (7" edit) (4:22)
  2. Lucky bag (5:45) * - Yes I know they did a 7" edit of LB, but good to get the 12" mix remastered (!)
  3. Get the message (7" mix) (3:54)
  4. Free will (7" mix) (2:44)
  5. Feel every beat (Stephen Hague 7" remix) (3:57)
  6. Lean To The Inside (Instrumental) (4:06) The other singles:
  7. Tighten up (US Promo/Single Edit) (3:39)
  8. Disappointed (Stephen Hague 7" mix) (4:21) The club mixes:
  9. Getting away with it (Vocal mix) (4:54)
  10. Get the message (DNA 12" groove mix) (5:26)
  11. Free will (12" mix) (5:53)
  12. Feel every beat (Danny Rampling 12" remix) (6:51)
  13. Disappointed (808 State 12" remix) (4:32)
  14. Idiot country two (12" mix) (6:23) And finally...
  15. Second to none (4:02)

Knocked up in Foobar2000 from FLACs and clocks in at 71 minutes on CDR; flows quite well and yes I've repeated Free Will because it's worth it [;)] Second To None has a cool ending and so bookends the disc nicely. Admittedly, I'm not too fond of these new "2013 Edits" as I'll always go back to the originals but I am quite grateful we got the guitar mix of TT; worth the money alone. The running order above reflects the début album's "era" more and is in the same vein as the bonus disc on the Monday's Rhino 2007 reissue of "Bummed".

But then, I've got the above, as do many Electronic die-hards so no sense in moaning, just knock up your own disc.

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