If Ian had lived....

I remember an NME interview around 1990 (tenth anniversary, etc) when Wilson and the band were asked if, had Ian not died, he would have been involved in the Hacienda/dance music/footie records, and the answer came back "yes".

I'm not sure. I can see the dance thing (he liked Moroder and KW, obviously) but I can't see the footie thing. I'm also not sure that they would've been filling the world's arenas with their claustrophobic brand of rock. Perhaps they would have changed their sound - I'm sure Ian would have been up for a bit of E.

What do you lot think? Or is this just pointless hypothetical speculation?

i dont think ian liked pop...lol

Ian could have continued with the new order "sound" but i doubt that he would have involved himself in WIM, then he could have quit and become a writer, who knows what he could have done if he had lived.

It's not that Ian didn't like pop or dance, a number of his songs have great pop sensibility, it's more of the commercial aspect of WIM that he would have objected too. Of course, if he was still frontig JD, would they have even been asked to do WIM?

Originally posted by Scott Ervin It's not that Ian didn't like pop or dance, a number of his songs have great pop sensibility, it's more of the commercial aspect of WIM that he would have objected too. Of course, if he was still frontig JD, would they have even been asked to do WIM?

Doubt it, but this is all speculation. Ian's dead. That's it. R.I.P. Ian you bastard.

whats WIM?

Love's got the World In Motion. Spikey

Originally posted by Ronald Kirsch Love's got the World In Motion. Spikey

i.e. "World In Motion", their only number one single, way back in 1990.

oh god, world im motion, after i hear that i get motion sickness

Originally posted by Spike oh god, world im motion, after i hear that i get motion sickness

Love's got the world in motion and I know what we can do

Originally posted by This blue-eyed boy that wants to be > Originally posted by Spike> oh god, world im motion, after i hear that i get motion sickness

Love's got the world in motion and I know what we can do Yeah, don't we all.

I think he would have enjoyed being involved in WIM if Ian had lived - he had a strange sense of humour like the rest of them. Thing is, with him in & Gillian out WIM would have been a far different song (esp. considering the other two wrote the tune).

Originally posted by death of art I remember an NME interview around 1990 (tenth anniversary, etc) when Wilson and the band were asked if, had Ian not died, he would have been involved in the Hacienda/dance music/footie records, and the answer came back "yes". I'm not sure. I can see the dance thing (he liked Moroder and KW, obviously) but I can't see the footie thing.

Ian was the footy fan in the band!

No shit. Ian was into footy? Then he would have done WIM.

Highly doubt it.

What do you lot think? Or is this just pointless hypothetical speculation?

Yes - pointless hypothetical speculation.

Let him RIP

Barney or was it Hooky said Ian would have place his own lyrics over Blue Monday. Somehow I doubt it. I seem them more being like U2 had he lived.

Would we REALLY want Joy Division to be an arena rock act?

The Ostrich Hannett wrote: Would we REALLY want Joy Division to be an arena rock act?

When did we ever get a say in what our favorite band did. It doesn't matter what we want. It matters what was most likely to happen. Everybody agreed Joy Division were on the verge of major success in the USA, and everywhere else for that matter.

Well of course. The 'selling out' is in the eye of the beholder and the record company owner and any sort of retooling of sound is often rashly branded as so-called 'selling out'. This doesn't automatically make the stuff inherently bad, or else anything New Order made after PC&L would today be shunned by record collector nerds as consumerist pap.

JD was indeed poised to gain a substantial American following as they were in the same bracket of brit bands with a future in the States such as Psychedelic Furs and XTC around 1980. However, it was also Curtis who introduced the idea of a more synthesized sound to the rest of the band. It was him who played the Kraftwerk records to the rest, declaring them the future of pop/rock. In that it can be argued that with or without (pun not intended) Curtis, the band would have pursued the synthpop sound unlike U2.

Oh, and Ian was a footy fan.

And a Donna Summers fan.