Australia vs Italy

I am gutted that the game was decided by a dubious penalty.

Now I know how you English felt with "the hand of God" incident.

Soccer can be so unfair.

Barnette wrote: I am gutted that the game was decided by a dubious penalty.

Now I know how you English felt with "the hand of God" incident.

Soccer can be so unfair.

that's why Ned Kelly invented Aussie Rules 4ya.

leave the round ball to us Europeans.

J.A.K wrote:

Barnette wrote: I am gutted that the game was decided by a dubious penalty.

Now I know how you English felt with "the hand of God" incident.

Soccer can be so unfair.

that's why Ned Kelly invented Aussie Rules 4ya.

leave the round ball to us Europeans.

Sorry socceroos.. wanted you to win, not just because of the Dutch connection ;)

Plato wrote: Watching the match, I thought for sure that the Socceroos outchanced and outshot the Azzurri. But after looking up the game stats, it turns out that Italy had 6 shots on goal to Australia's 4. The ball possession though was 59% to 41% in favour of Australia.

I think the penalty kick call was legit. You can't just lay down in front of someone. Even in American football or hockey, that's called tripping. Besides just before that, the ref let the other defender get away with tugging at Grosso's jersey.

Can you tell that I support the Azzurri? If I didn't, it would be high treason.

the jersey tug was outside the box, im not totally convinced about that penalty, i think the ref could have let that go.

No way a penalty but leg was up- "intent" and all that so can't really have a gripe that the ref saw it as he did!

That's football.

oldmonkey wrote:

Plato wrote: Watching the match, I thought for sure that the Socceroos outchanced and outshot the Azzurri. But after looking up the game stats, it turns out that Italy had 6 shots on goal to Australia's 4. The ball possession though was 59% to 41% in favour of Australia.

I think the penalty kick call was legit. You can't just lay down in front of someone. Even in American football or hockey, that's called tripping. Besides just before that, the ref let the other defender get away with tugging at Grosso's jersey.

Can you tell that I support the Azzurri? If I didn't, it would be high treason.

No, but I can tell you don't know your arse from your elbow when it comes to football! I had to run this post through google to find out what you were on about! Stick to moose-chasing!

Anywhere else on the pitch, that would have been called a foul and no one would have questioned yet. Grosso played it up a bit but barely.

By the way, isn't a moderator suppose to discourage flaming?

Anyone with half a brain knows you don't chase moose; you keep your distance and hope they don't go licking for salt on the highway.

Plato wrote: Grosso played it up a bit but barely.

He milked it like there was no tomorrow.

Which there now isn't - for us.

:\pimp3:

Bonzette wrote: No way a penalty but leg was up- "intent" and all that so can't really have a gripe that the ref saw it as he did!

That's football.

That's football, bollocks! It needn't be.

We can and do have a legitimate gripe about the penalty decision which was tenuous at best. Another example of the shabby standard of officiating that's taking the gloss off this tournament. We've copped it in every game.

Will FIFA do anything about it? They seem toothless to me, driven by the agendas of the few. The technology's there to help bring the game forward.

Football will never truly win over sports' fans throughout the world while divers and handball cheats can win tournaments and primadonnas writhe around in supposed agony to win free kicks. Blights on the game.

:\pimp3:

depthcharge wrote:

Bonzette wrote: No way a penalty but leg was up- "intent" and all that so can't really have a gripe that the ref saw it as he did!

That's football.

That's football, bollocks! It needn't be.

We can and do have a legitimate gripe about the penalty decision which was tenuous at best. Another example of the shabby standard of officiating that's taking the gloss off this tournament. We've copped it in every game.

Will FIFA do anything about it? They seem toothless to me, driven by the agendas of the few. The technology's there to help bring the game forward.

Football will never truly win over sports' fans throughout the world while divers and handball cheats can win tournaments and primadonnas writhe around in supposed agony to win free kicks. Blights on the game.

:\pimp3:

With intent there- it's likely to go against you......

and what exactly do you think/ want Fifa to do about it?

So. Until Fifa come up with better refs/ systems to make better decisions/ stamp out the cheats-that's just football!

Bonzette wrote: No way a penalty but leg was up- "intent" and all that so can't really have a gripe that the ref saw it as he did!

That's football.

change your avatar now Bonz.

i.e transpose a hand across his neck and face.

J.A.K wrote:

Bonzette wrote: No way a penalty but leg was up- "intent" and all that so can't really have a gripe that the ref saw it as he did!

That's football.

change your avatar now Bonz.

i.e transpose a hand across his neck and face.

Enough of your cheek, sunshine!

You forget............I know where your local boozer is. Only 9 days mate, and i'll be appearing, water pistol in hand and everything!

Bonzette wrote:

depthcharge wrote:

Bonzette wrote: No way a penalty but leg was up- "intent" and all that so can't really have a gripe that the ref saw it as he did!

That's football.

That's football, bollocks! It needn't be.

We can and do have a legitimate gripe about the penalty decision which was tenuous at best. Another example of the shabby standard of officiating that's taking the gloss off this tournament. We've copped it in every game.

Will FIFA do anything about it? They seem toothless to me, driven by the agendas of the few. The technology's there to help bring the game forward.

Football will never truly win over sports' fans throughout the world while divers and handball cheats can win tournaments and primadonnas writhe around in supposed agony to win free kicks. Blights on the game.

:\pimp3:

With intent there- it's likely to go against you......

and what exactly do you think/ want Fifa to do about it?

So. Until Fifa come up with better refs/ systems to make better decisions/ stamp out the cheats-that's just football!

Intent? It's amazing how the ref can be so correct about any alleged defender intent when he was so incorrect about the dive.

As for FIFA, why put up with their sloppy, corrupt handling of the game any longer? What will it take for change? Maybe we'll see another hand-balled goal scored against England in the final and all hell will break loose?

Why wouldn't they consider extra officials in the game? Or consider using technology to adjudicate certain decisions? It's clear to many during this WC that the game has evolved far beyond adequate control by one ref and linesmen. I mean, you've got middle-aged refs puffing along after elite athletes moving the ball at a hell of a gait. The sport is ultra-professional now, there's so much more at stake, why put up with second-rate officiating?

:\pimp3:

I agree that adding a second ref makes sense. It's too tough a job for one person, covering all that field with world class athletes for 90 minutes. Plus, it puts too much power/responsiblity in one man's hands.

Instant replay may be OK for certain scenarios too.

Instant replay would certainly be good when it comes to goals. In the France/Korea match, the Korean keeper caught the ball behind the goal line, but not realizing it, the ref didn't call it a goal. In hockey, video replay has certainly improved matters when it comes to goals, even if it does sometimes take over five minutes.

Intent should only matter when it comes to cards and handballs. When you tackle a player, you go for the ball but all to often wind up with the shin. Even though you intended to get the ball, it's a foul and rightfully so. It's about the effect to the play.

The Aussie's were robbed; shame you didn't manage to get a goal in for the 30 minutes with 10 Italian men though...

depthcharge wrote:

Bonzette wrote:

depthcharge wrote:

Bonzette wrote: No way a penalty but leg was up- "intent" and all that so can't really have a gripe that the ref saw it as he did!

That's football.

That's football, bollocks! It needn't be.

We can and do have a legitimate gripe about the penalty decision which was tenuous at best. Another example of the shabby standard of officiating that's taking the gloss off this tournament. We've copped it in every game.

Will FIFA do anything about it? They seem toothless to me, driven by the agendas of the few. The technology's there to help bring the game forward.

Football will never truly win over sports' fans throughout the world while divers and handball cheats can win tournaments and primadonnas writhe around in supposed agony to win free kicks. Blights on the game.

:\pimp3:

With intent there- it's likely to go against you......

and what exactly do you think/ want Fifa to do about it?

So. Until Fifa come up with better refs/ systems to make better decisions/ stamp out the cheats-that's just football!

Intent? It's amazing how the ref can be so correct about any alleged defender intent when he was so incorrect about the dive.

As for FIFA, why put up with their sloppy, corrupt handling of the game any longer? What will it take for change? Maybe we'll see another hand-balled goal scored against England in the final and all hell will break loose?

Why wouldn't they consider extra officials in the game? Or consider using technology to adjudicate certain decisions? It's clear to many during this WC that the game has evolved far beyond adequate control by one ref and linesmen. I mean, you've got middle-aged refs puffing along after elite athletes moving the ball at a hell of a gait. The sport is ultra-professional now, there's so much more at stake, why put up with second-rate officiating?

:\pimp3:

Agreed my friend, on most of those points, but it's a discussion that's gone on for years, and still nothing is done about it.

If the above situation does happen to England, all hell will break loose, cars and shops will be smashed up and many people, no doubt. We'll just get a ban, not a new and improved system to stop bad decisions/ cheats etc....

Bonzette wrote:

If the above situation does happen to England, all hell will break loose, cars and shops will be smashed up and many people, no doubt. We'll just get a ban, not a new and improved system to stop bad decisions/ cheats etc....

We're a bit more civilized here in the states. Here, we only riot, set fires, and tip over cars when our sports teams win championships.