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Just been out to the supermarket and sunny Didsbury is absolutely heaving with pissed-up Hun - and this is a good four miles from the city centre!! The police sirens have been whizzing past all day - could this be a coincidence???!

Really, I should have more loyalty cos my mum's side of the family are all Orange bastards, but these people are fucking scum. Not content with being from Glasgow, they have to be from the wrong side of Glasgow as well.

:nonono:

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seems a little harsh

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darran clarke wrote: seems a little harsh

Not really. You should see it more as a love letter to Shug, if I'm being honest.....

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It took me an hour and a half to drive to work today, the minute I got on the M61 it was chocca block with minibuses and cars with flags, streamers and scarves. Each one was full of pissed up jocks. It was quite funny really and certainly cheered up my ride into work. There was a lot of shouting and beeping and a few even left their cars and jumped into other random cars.

My mate sent me a picture of Picadilly Gardens at lunchtime, it's heaving. I want to go on the piss now - boo :(

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God, I hope Rangers lose. They play terrible, defensive football. At least theyre TIGHT at the back I suppose:evil4:

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God, I hope Rangers lose. They play terrible, defensive football. At least theyre TIGHT at the back I suppose:evil4:

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I'd quite like Rangers to win to be honest. A victory for Pragmatic football and all that.

Apparently, 120000 Rangers fans made the trek down to Manchester. This of course pales into insignificance when compared to the 3 Billion Celtic fans that went to Sevile a few years ago.

Of course, I wont be watching. I might listen to the first half on the Radio but The Apprentice is on tonight and apparently Raef makes a complete tool of himself.

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ive just heard from someone who's in manc centre and he says the fans are now camping out in the city centre,any bits of grass have tents on them. i wish i could have got off work and joined them because i am bloody thirsty :laugh:

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Photos from the Edge (of Deansgate)

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Uncle Liam wrote: I'd quite like Rangers to win to be honest. A victory for Pragmatic football and all that.

Apparently, 120000 Rangers fans made the trek down to Manchester. This of course pales into insignificance when compared to the 3 Billion Celtic fans that went to Sevile a few years ago.

Of course, I wont be watching. I might listen to the first half on the Radio but The Apprentice is on tonight and apparently Raef makes a complete tool of himself.

But Michael makes a bigger tw$t of himself. Matbe he goes....

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![](http://<a href=)http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4175/rangerspa6.th.jpg" class="max-w-full" alt="" loading="lazy" />

Picadilly Gardens this lunchtime.

EDIT: Seems I'm still crap at posting photo's :laugh:

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120,000 huns in Mancland today...

so the average IQ has skyrocketed in Glasgow?

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Come to think of it...isn't there a much more important match taking place tonight?

Hull and Watford?

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Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: Come to think of it...isn't there a much more important match taking place tonight?

Hull and Watford?

:nod:

GOOOARNNNNN WATFORD!!!!

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I quite like the idea of Bristol City v Hull in the play off final.

I can see Wigan Athletic v Hull or Bristol City v Fulham being a big draw for the good people of Kuala Lumpar.

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They'll be rioting on the streets of Manchester tonight I can tell you...

The screen is Piccadilly Gardens isnt working. I find that quite funny.

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Uncle Liam wrote: They'll be rioting on the streets of Manchester tonight I can tell you...

The screen is Piccadilly Gardens isnt working. I find that quite funny.

and to think it was a scot that invented it.

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eldorado wrote:

Uncle Liam wrote: They'll be rioting on the streets of Manchester tonight I can tell you...

The screen is Piccadilly Gardens isnt working. I find that quite funny.

and to think it was a scot that invented it.

Rioting??

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Let's all laugh at Rangers...

I beat Shug to it!!!

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My friend text me a minute after the final whistle, there are sirens going off everywhere.

THE STREETS OF SAN FRANCISCO...

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Dodjem wrote:

eldorado wrote:

Uncle Liam wrote: They'll be rioting on the streets of Manchester tonight I can tell you...

The screen is Piccadilly Gardens isnt working. I find that quite funny.

and to think it was a scot that invented it.

Rioting??

of course

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Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: Let's all laugh at Rangers...

I beat Shug to it!!!

I'm proud of the biggest club (supporters 150,000 in Manc) in Britain. Unlike Ceptic fans , i'm not full of excuses. The better team won on the night. Laugh at Rangers???? You can only dream of 3 cup finals and the league!!!:evil4:

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SNIGGER !!!!!!!!!!:rofl:

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Unlike Celtic fans you lot riot wherever ye's go. ITV News showed ye's fighting amongst yerselves after the game as well as news a Russian fan had been stabbed.

Good to see that a team playing anti-football and winning just two games from 12 european ties this season got their cummupance in the final.

A victory for football I'd say.

:laugh:

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Dodjem wrote:

eldorado wrote:

Uncle Liam wrote: They'll be rioting on the streets of Manchester tonight I can tell you...

The screen is Piccadilly Gardens isnt working. I find that quite funny.

and to think it was a scot that invented it.

Rioting??

Still...

:laugh:

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The Boy wrote:

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: Let's all laugh at Rangers...

I beat Shug to it!!!

I'm proud of the biggest club (supporters 150,000 in Manc) in Britain.

As its only 3 hours down the road,im surprised there wasn't more...

The Boy wrote: Laugh at Rangers???? You can only dream of 3 cup finals and the league!!!:evil4:

It was only 5 year ago.. (didnt realise ye's had the league in the bag :rolleyes: )

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Scotland's shame. :nonono:

Fortunately I'm holed up in Guildford at the mo but got a text from my mate to tell me that all the pubs and clubs on S/hall St had to close at 11 tonight on Police instructions. Windows put in at Molly Malone's on Renfield Street, running battles (among themselves, fuckwits) on Paisley Road West and a Russian fan stabbed in the back at the City Of Manchester stadium.

Did we have any of this after Seville in 2003? Did we fuck.

Scotland's shame. :nonono: :nonono: :nonono:

EDIT : My burd and three pals watched the game in Stavka (4 Russian lassies in a Russian themed bar on S/hall Street). The table of window lickers next to them started banging on about how all Russian girls were prostitites and then told her pal that they'd 'hang her' with her Russian flag. Scum.

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The Boy wrote: I'm proud of the biggest club (supporters 150,000 in Manc) in Britain. Unlike Ceptic fans , i'm not full of excuses. The better team won on the night. Laugh at Rangers???? You can only dream of 3 cup finals and the league!!!:evil4:

:laugh:

You're not even the biggest club in Glasgow! Just think, would have been 150,001 if you had bothered to make the effort. Watching various news reports this morning, you managed to disgrace yourselves yet again, utter scum. Scotland's shame indeed. :nod: As for the game, justice was done in the end. It was an absolute travesty that you had managed to bore your way to the final with such a dull, negative, boring, anti-football philosophy.

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My mate at work went to a gig at night and day ( next to dry bar ) last night.drunken scots all over the street outside smashing bottles,the door was shut,he had to knock on the door and show his ticket at a peep hole to get in and the doorman said congratulations for making it through. total attendance at gig was 11 :eek:

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Ha ha fancy taking on the Manchester riot Police. They are the big boys; bet they never even broke sweat against Glasgow's finest.

Chucking bottles at the telly and stabbing people in the back? Well 'ard.

Of course football's a religeon North of the border. What can you expect?

Idiots :nod:

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Bet it was a good laugh though.

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John Sludden wrote:

The Boy wrote: I'm proud of the biggest club (supporters 150,000 in Manc) in Britain. Unlike Ceptic fans , i'm not full of excuses. The better team won on the night. Laugh at Rangers???? You can only dream of 3 cup finals and the league!!!:evil4:

:laugh:

You're not even the biggest club in Glasgow! Just think, would have been 150,001 if you had bothered to make the effort. Watching various news reports this morning, you managed to disgrace yourselves yet again, utter scum. Scotland's shame indeed. :nod: As for the game, justice was done in the end. It was an absolute travesty that you had managed to bore your way to the final with such a dull, negative, boring, anti-football philosophy.

I did make the effort and I am in Manchester. Bigger club in Britain than Celtic, you might have more fans in USA and Japan. Negative Boring football?? Don't watch Rangers then - I know you don't have much choice as your team are crap and have not reached any finals.

Up the gers!!!

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The Boy wrote:

I'm proud of the biggest club (supporters 150,000 in Manc) in Britain. Unlike Ceptic fans , i'm not full of excuses. The better team won on the night. Laugh at Rangers???? You can only dream of 3 cup finals and the league!!!:evil4:

even city have more than 150,000 supporters, and if memory serves me right there was over 2,000,000 on the streets of manchester when united brought home the treble, bigest club in britain MY ARSE!

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Old Lead Foot wrote:

The Boy wrote:

I'm proud of the biggest club (supporters 150,000 in Manc) in Britain. Unlike Ceptic fans , i'm not full of excuses. The better team won on the night. Laugh at Rangers???? You can only dream of 3 cup finals and the league!!!:evil4:

even city have more than 150,000 supporters, and if memory serves me right there was over 2,000,000 on the streets of manchester when united brought home the treble, bigest club in britain MY ARSE!

Thats 150,000 travelling fans. Biggest following ever of a football team.(it was said on 5 live)

2 million on the streets when united won the treble - thats impressive considering your majority come from Devon.:laugh:

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Glad Rangers lost final. Would have been a bad advert for football (like greece boring victory eh euro 2004).

Shame some idiots spoilt it for the majority of decent Rangers fans. Some started drinking at 6am? Whats the point!

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NO Regret wrote: Glad Rangers lost final. Would have been a bad advert for football (like greece boring victory eh euro 2004). !

How is winning football a bad advert? Accenuate the positives, hide the negatives.

If Stockport County had played defensive, well drilled football, instead of trying to faff around trying to be fancy then there's a good chance we'd have got automatic promotion.

Give me 5 at the back and long ball over fancy football (or "Sexy" football if you're from Newcastle) if it means winning.

And its not "negative" its "pragmatic" :nod:

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no liam, its pish

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Aye, because you'd rather United went out and LOST but played nice football next week, wouldnt you? :scratch:

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Uncle Liam wrote:

NO Regret wrote: Glad Rangers lost final. Would have been a bad advert for football (like greece boring victory eh euro 2004). !

How is winning football a bad advert? Accenuate the positives, hide the negatives.

If Stockport County had played defensive, well drilled football, instead of trying to faff around trying to be fancy then there's a good chance we'd have got automatic promotion.

Give me 5 at the back and long ball over fancy football (or "Sexy" football if you're from Newcastle) if it means winning.

And its not "negative" its "pragmatic" :nod:

You'd seriously prefere to watch 5 at the back and long ball tactics. Well if thats your bagm then so be it. But I hate all that. If god wanted football to be played in the air he would have put grass in the sky. Chelsea, Watford long ball merchants bores the pants off me.

Id rather my team lose trying to play football than lose playing boring, unskilled, negative long ball.

And I believe Greece winning Euro 2004 was a bad advert. You never heard of them again. They didnt even qualify for last 2 tournaments. Useless!

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i would rather united played the way they do rather than the boring "pragmatic" football used to great effect by the special one, even if it means losing more games than chelski, arsenal and liverpool during the season and still being champions:nod:

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NO Regret wrote:

Uncle Liam wrote:

NO Regret wrote: Glad Rangers lost final. Would have been a bad advert for football (like greece boring victory eh euro 2004). !

How is winning football a bad advert? Accenuate the positives, hide the negatives.

If Stockport County had played defensive, well drilled football, instead of trying to faff around trying to be fancy then there's a good chance we'd have got automatic promotion.

Give me 5 at the back and long ball over fancy football (or "Sexy" football if you're from Newcastle) if it means winning.

And its not "negative" its "pragmatic" :nod:

You'd seriously prefere to watch 5 at the back and long ball tactics. Well if thats your bagm then so be it. But I hate all that. If god wanted football to be played in the air he would have put grass in the sky. Chelsea, Watford long ball merchants bores the pants off me.

Id rather my team lose trying to play football than lose playing boring, unskilled, negative long ball.

And I believe Greece winning Euro 2004 was a bad advert. You never heard of them again. They didnt even qualify for last 2 tournaments. Useless!

Erm... they topped their group for this summers European Championship.

In 2004, Greece beat the holders (France), the favourites (Czech Republic) and the hosts (Portugal). Not such a bad advert.

The best kind of football is winning football. Whether that be like Man United, Arsenal or Rangers. Anyone who says that they would rather their team lose than play so called "negative" football is either ignorant or a liar.

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It surely depends on the outcome.

Watching your team draw or even win 1-0 after ninety boring minutes of dismal short play in your own half is not my idea of fun.

Playing in an exciting manner and dropping the odd game as as result of the risks you take is far preferable. I'd have easily swapped a couple of losses for the never-ending run of draws that City put in front of us last season.

Just hoofing the ball the length of the park on the off chance of scoring the odd goal certainly gets the heart going, but isn't inventive and doesn't compare to the type of football that United have played this season.

Last night's game was just shit. Better than that fucking awful game against Fiorentina though. At least it was all over after 90 minutes rather than dragging on for 180 minutes, extra time and penalties.

At least we can be thankful for that.

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My views on this subject:

  1. the better team won on the night
  2. Rangers did well even to reach the final
  3. 40 arrests out of 150,000 is almost too small to be represented statistically
  4. Cant think of any other club that could bring so many travelling fans to a match
  5. Rangers fans justified in being annoyed at the big telly blowing a fuse minutes before the k.o.
  6. the treble is still possible

UP THE 'GERS

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You play to your strengths. I've seen enough games at Edgeley Park and its fucking annoying to see County try and pass it around the midfield like some fancy fuckers when they control the damn thing, and then usually getting caught in possession and letting the other team score. Just hoof it up and be done with it.

Rangers played a disciplined, organised, well drilled form of football in Europe, which made them triumph over teams from infinitley superior leagues. They should be commended for that. Football players arent paid to primarily entertain, they're paid to win.

I refuse to accept any argument who says that they would rather play so called entertaining football and lose rather than play long ball and win 1-0. What do you get for losing a game 4-3? or 6-4? or 7-4? Absolsutely nothing, or in the case of Reading, relegation.

Defenders win games, attackers decide by how much. :nod:

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Liam, you're wrong. People just don't show up in the same numbers for poor quality football.

Some games are exempt from this, people are always going to be interested in a cup final for other reasons than the skills on display. But a run-of-the-mill league game will pull a larger audience, both at the ground and on the telly, if there's a chance of a decent game.

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Uncle Liam wrote: You play to your strengths. I've seen enough games at Edgeley Park and its fucking annoying to see County try and pass it around the midfield like some fancy fuckers when they control the damn thing, and then usually getting caught in possession and letting the other team score. Just hoof it up and be done with it.

Rangers played a disciplined, organised, well drilled form of football in Europe, which made them triumph over teams from infinitley superior leagues. They should be commended for that. Football players arent paid to primarily entertain, they're paid to win.

I refuse to accept any argument who says that they would rather play so called entertaining football and lose rather than play long ball and win 1-0. What do you get for losing a game 4-3? or 6-4? or 7-4? Absolsutely nothing, or in the case of Reading, relegation.

Defenders win games, attackers decide by how much. :nod:

I couldnt agree with you any less. When Megson was Forest manager he brought his own brand of long ball football. It was rubbish and we got relegated. I would rather be entertained and lose a few more games then win everyone 1-0 and play dire defensive football. really there is no arguement there.

Id love to watch a 3-4 defeat every once in a while compared to 1-0. Theres more to life than winning. Entertainment is what its all about. Defenders can win games, but its usually strikers (seeing as the object of the game is to score more goals than the opponents!)

Its a real shame Greece beat France, let alone Czech and Portuagal. A real shame. So they qualified for Euro2008? Sorry, I didnt notice.

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darran clarke wrote: My views on this subject:

  1. the better team won on the night
  2. Rangers did well even to reach the final
  3. 40 arrests out of 150,000 is almost too small to be represented statistically
  4. Cant think of any other club that could bring so many travelling fans to a match
  5. Rangers fans justified in being annoyed at the big telly blowing a fuse minutes before the k.o.
  6. the treble is still possible

UP THE 'GERS

Travelling 200 miles to watch the final on tv.

TV packs up.

Priceless!

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darran clarke wrote: My views on this subject:

  1. the better team won on the night
  2. Rangers did well even to reach the final
  3. 40 arrests out of 150,000 is almost too small to be represented statistically
  4. Cant think of any other club that could bring so many travelling fans to a match
  5. Rangers fans justified in being annoyed at the big telly blowing a fuse minutes before the k.o.
  6. the treble is still possible

UP THE 'GERS

Six good points there :nod:

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Biginmikitchen wrote:

darran clarke wrote: My views on this subject:

  1. the better team won on the night
  2. Rangers did well even to reach the final
  3. 40 arrests out of 150,000 is almost too small to be represented statistically
  4. Cant think of any other club that could bring so many travelling fans to a match
  5. Rangers fans justified in being annoyed at the big telly blowing a fuse minutes before the k.o.
  6. the treble is still possible

UP THE 'GERS

Six good points there :nod:

Hmmm. Point 4: of course there weren't many arrests- when there's that many weegie scumbags in one place they become virtually un-policeable and have the freedom to do what they want. Of course, being Rangers they want to smash everything up.

It was the same when I lived in Aberdeen - the cunts just take over for a day....

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Biginmikitchen wrote: Liam, you're wrong. People just don't show up in the same numbers for poor quality football.

Some games are exempt from this, people are always going to be interested in a cup final for other reasons than the skills on display. But a run-of-the-mill league game will pull a larger audience, both at the ground and on the telly, if there's a chance of a decent game.

I'm not wrong. People turn up to watch they're team WIN. Win anyway you can. How many times do you hear someone ring into to 606 saying "awww, I dont mind that we lost because at least we played nice football" It never happens.

If fans demand to be entertained then they win fuck all. Just look at Newcastle. First is first and second is nowhere.

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NO Regret wrote:

Uncle Liam wrote: You play to your strengths. I've seen enough games at Edgeley Park and its fucking annoying to see County try and pass it around the midfield like some fancy fuckers when they control the damn thing, and then usually getting caught in possession and letting the other team score. Just hoof it up and be done with it.

Rangers played a disciplined, organised, well drilled form of football in Europe, which made them triumph over teams from infinitley superior leagues. They should be commended for that. Football players arent paid to primarily entertain, they're paid to win.

I refuse to accept any argument who says that they would rather play so called entertaining football and lose rather than play long ball and win 1-0. What do you get for losing a game 4-3? or 6-4? or 7-4? Absolsutely nothing, or in the case of Reading, relegation.

Defenders win games, attackers decide by how much. :nod:

Id love to watch a 3-4 defeat every once in a while compared to 1-0. Theres more to life than winning. Entertainment is what its all about. Defenders can win games, but its usually strikers (seeing as the object of the game is to score more goals than the opponents!)

.

Why would you want to see your team lose?

Oh, of course, you're a fan of the clubs that boo's the players off after they win! :laugh:

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darran clarke wrote: My views on this subject:

  1. the better team won on the night :nod:
  2. Rangers did well even to reach the final they were jammy as fcuk if that's what you mean
  3. 40 arrests out of 150,000 is almost too small to be represented statistically :nod: But a riot is a riot and a stabbing is a stabbing
  4. Cant think of any other club that could bring so many travelling fans to a match Really? We took 80,000 to a country outwith the UK for a final, oh, and not one single arrest
  5. Rangers fans justified in being annoyed at the big telly blowing a fuse minutes before the k.o. Being annoyed yes, starting a riot and throwing cans and bottles at the guy fixing the TV? NO
  6. the treble is still possible But very unlikely

UP THE 'GERS

:laugh:

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I'm not necessarily agreeing with Liam's broader point here, but it might be worth noting that my football club have been casually dismissed all season as brutal, one-dimensional hoof-merchants.

And we're playing in the Premiership next season.

:nod:

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PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote: I'm not necessarily agreeing with Liam's broader point here, but it might be worth noting that my football club have been casually dismissed all season as brutal, one-dimensional hoof-merchants.

And we're playing in the Premiership next season.

:nod:

I rest my case.

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Dodjem wrote: ![](http://<a href=)http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/3676/celtsb6.th.jpg" class="max-w-full" alt="" loading="lazy" />

Jeez...it ain't that difficult...and you call ME feeble minded!!!

:p

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Uncle Liam wrote:

I rest my case.

Thank fuck for that.

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PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote: I'm not necessarily agreeing with Liam's broader point here, but it might be worth noting that my football club have been casually dismissed all season as brutal, one-dimensional hoof-merchants.

And we're playing in the Premiership next season.

:nod:

Is that Bolton?

I remember games that are lost 4-3 far more than games won 1-0. Personally, I would rather gave Forest gave a team a go and lost than sat back, parked a bus in front of goal and soak up attack after attack.What is the point of Rangers? 9 men behind the ball, play useless passing triangles. Why play so scared. Give the players freedom and not be afraid to lose.

Football has got so greedy its forgotten its a sport. Its all about corporations, takeovers, win at all costs. It stinks.

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PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote:

Biginmikitchen wrote:

darran clarke wrote: My views on this subject:

  1. the better team won on the night
  2. Rangers did well even to reach the final
  3. 40 arrests out of 150,000 is almost too small to be represented statistically
  4. Cant think of any other club that could bring so many travelling fans to a match
  5. Rangers fans justified in being annoyed at the big telly blowing a fuse minutes before the k.o.
  6. the treble is still possible

UP THE 'GERS

Six good points there :nod:

Hmmm. Point 4: of course there weren't many arrests- when there's that many weegie scumbags in one place they become virtually un-policeable and have the freedom to do what they want. Of course, being Rangers they want to smash everything up.

It was the same when I lived in Aberdeen - the cunts just take over for a day....

Not all Rangers fans are scumbags. I was in Manc yesterday and the majority were well behaved. I think every club has a small minority of twats. It will be interesting to see if next weeks Champion League final is trouble free.

As for Rangers playing dull football - unlike the Premier league Scottish clubs don't receive the funds from advertising and Sky TV to spend on players. I wish Rangers could spend £50million + on players like Man Utd did last summer.

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NO Regret wrote:

PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote: I'm not necessarily agreeing with Liam's broader point here, but it might be worth noting that my football club have been casually dismissed all season as brutal, one-dimensional hoof-merchants.

And we're playing in the Premiership next season.

:nod:

Is that Bolton?

I remember games that are lost 4-3 far more than games won 1-0. Personally, I would rather gave Forest gave a team a go and lost than sat back, parked a bus in front of goal and soak up attack after attack.What is the point of Rangers? 9 men behind the ball, play useless passing triangles. Why play so scared. Give the players freedom and not be afraid to lose.

Football has got so greedy its forgotten its a sport. Its all about corporations, takeovers, win at all costs. It stinks.

Yes, because Brian Cloughs Nottingham Forest teams always played the most free flowing attacking football.

  1. Nottingham Forest 1 Malmo 0.
  2. Nottingham Forest 1 Hamburg 0.

I veyr much doubt Cloughs pre match speech was "just go out there and have a go, and dont be afraid to lose"

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Let's face it, Rangers fans' enthusiasm for that game had nothing to do with the quality of the football on show and everything to do with the fact that their team was in the final. These things develop a momentum of their own; the 'event' was a mass trip to Manchester and football was just the reason for that event.

Not that I have anything against that. I love a trip away with my mates as much as anyone.

But any neutrals watching that game last night would have been fairly dissapointed at the shit football on display.

So Liam might be right to say that some, but my no means all, people would prefer to see THEIR team play badly and win than lose and exciting game, the same can't be said of people watching teams other than their own.

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Uncle Liam wrote:

NO Regret wrote:

PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote: I'm not necessarily agreeing with Liam's broader point here, but it might be worth noting that my football club have been casually dismissed all season as brutal, one-dimensional hoof-merchants.

And we're playing in the Premiership next season.

:nod:

Is that Bolton?

I remember games that are lost 4-3 far more than games won 1-0. Personally, I would rather gave Forest gave a team a go and lost than sat back, parked a bus in front of goal and soak up attack after attack.What is the point of Rangers? 9 men behind the ball, play useless passing triangles. Why play so scared. Give the players freedom and not be afraid to lose.

Football has got so greedy its forgotten its a sport. Its all about corporations, takeovers, win at all costs. It stinks.

Yes, because Brian Cloughs Nottingham Forest teams always played the most free flowing attacking football.

  1. Nottingham Forest 1 Malmo 0.
  2. Nottingham Forest 1 Hamburg 0.

I veyr much doubt Cloughs pre match speech was "just go out there and have a go, and dont be afraid to lose"

Yeah but we won. Rangers played crap and lost. Thats it. It was such a predictable result. And I think you find Rangers do get money from advertising. Otherwise they wouldnt have "Carling" on their shirts or be on TV.

Cloughie use to let the players have a beer on the day of finals to reduce their nerves. I very much doubt his pep-talk was "eye up lads. i want 10 man behind da ball and hoof the f*ck oot of it and chase like one of zem eadliss chikuns".

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Since when was football about "entertainment"???

:confused2:

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Football brings out the best in some Scots.

:uhoh:

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Ally wrote: Football brings out the best in some Scots.

:uhoh:

:rofl:

It's like a religion up there, dontcha know!!??

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:nod:

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I had a plan last night.........finish work at 4.00, get me hair cut........pick up six cans o' Becks, get the 5.26 X41 from Helmshore to Deansgate, spend the evening in town watching the match with our neighbours from north o' the border and catch the 22.55 back...........all went swimmingly dear boys and girls until the the 5.26 came round the corner heaving with red, white n blue and the little indian fella, who was wishing he wasn't driving the damn thing, had a look of total fear on his face, and he kept on driving straight past my outstretched arm.........bless 'im........never forget the look on his little face.......it was like scene from Gremlins.....they were hangin' out the windows n everything........brilliant........heideheeeeeee :hat:

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Alf wrote: I had a plan last night.........finish work at 4.00, get me hair cut........pick up six cans o' Becks, get the 5.26 X41 from Helmshore to Deansgate, spend the evening in town watching the match with our neighbours from north o' the border and catch the 22.55 back...........all went swimmingly dear boys and girls until the the 5.26 came round the corner heaving with red, white n blue and the little indian fella, who was wishing he wasn't driving the damn thing, had a look of total fear on his face, and he kept on driving straight past my outstretched arm.........bless 'im........never forget the look on his little face.......it was like scene from Gremlins.....they were hangin' out the windows n everything........brilliant........heideheeeeeee :hat:

is this the x40 bus ? if so there was another serious flaw in your plan al.the 22.55 home is only on friday and saturday :laugh:

thats why i cant drink at a midweek gig in manc :shrug:

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banshee wrote:

Alf wrote: I had a plan last night.........finish work at 4.00, get me hair cut........pick up six cans o' Becks, get the 5.26 X41 from Helmshore to Deansgate, spend the evening in town watching the match with our neighbours from north o' the border and catch the 22.55 back...........all went swimmingly dear boys and girls until the the 5.26 came round the corner heaving with red, white n blue and the little indian fella, who was wishing he wasn't driving the damn thing, had a look of total fear on his face, and he kept on driving straight past my outstretched arm.........bless 'im........never forget the look on his little face.......it was like scene from Gremlins.....they were hangin' out the windows n everything........brilliant........heideheeeeeee :hat:

is this the x40 bus ? if so there was another serious flaw in your plan al.the 22.55 home is only on friday and saturday :laugh:

thats why i cant drink at a midweek gig in manc :shrug:

Nah, the 22.55 terminates at Peel St, Accy. They won't venture any further that late on......check it Bansh

http://www.transportforlancashire.com/timetables/PDFS/102.pdf

Anyway off to Cambrile in Spain tomoz for a weeks r n r with Mrs Alf and the Alfinos......maaaaaaarvalous....

:hat:

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Alf wrote:

banshee wrote:

Alf wrote: I had a plan last night.........finish work at 4.00, get me hair cut........pick up six cans o' Becks, get the 5.26 X41 from Helmshore to Deansgate, spend the evening in town watching the match with our neighbours from north o' the border and catch the 22.55 back...........all went swimmingly dear boys and girls until the the 5.26 came round the corner heaving with red, white n blue and the little indian fella, who was wishing he wasn't driving the damn thing, had a look of total fear on his face, and he kept on driving straight past my outstretched arm.........bless 'im........never forget the look on his little face.......it was like scene from Gremlins.....they were hangin' out the windows n everything........brilliant........heideheeeeeee :hat:

is this the x40 bus ? if so there was another serious flaw in your plan al.the 22.55 home is only on friday and saturday :laugh:

thats why i cant drink at a midweek gig in manc :shrug:

Nah, the 22.55 terminates at Peel St, Accy. They won't venture any further that late on......check it Bansh

http://www.transportforlancashire.com/timetables/PDFS/102.pdf

Anyway off to Cambrile in Spain tomoz for a weeks r n r with Mrs Alf and the Alfinos......maaaaaaarvalous....

:hat:

Flip, you were right. I've just looked again..........I would o' got a right royal bollocking off Mrs A if the Gremlins hadn't been all aboard........I'd have been lookin at £30 taxi fare......note to self.......and all that........Cheers Mr B...........:smoking:

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a free pint for me i reckon alf

i also terminate at accy so thats how i knew :nod:

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Thanks for jeapordising England's (or even Britain's - wasn't there an idea mooted of a joint effort by all the home countries?) chances of hosting the 2018 World Cup , Rangers fans.

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There has never been a discussion of co hosting with it with the jocks.

FIFA have also said they probably wont be entertaining joint bids in the future.

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Rural Country Boy wrote: Thanks for jeapordising England's (or even Britain's - wasn't there an idea mooted of a joint effort by all the home countries?) chances of hosting the 2018 World Cup , Rangers fans.

If Manchester can't organise the hosting of a UEFA cup final properly, perhaps it's best we don't get the 2018 World Cup.

70 toilets in the city centre for 100,000+ fans Not enough police Badly organised transport links Allowing all day drinking TV screens not working

I'm not defending the actions of the hooligans who caused trouble - but don't blame the genuine Rangers fans!

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Whats all this "we" stuff? You Scotland. We England. :nod:

The fact is, at every game you'll get some trouble. Whether its a couple of pissed up lads fighting outside the ground or a full blown riot or somethng in between.

The fact is, chances are the trouble would have been avoided if that screen had been working. Its like a domino effect, once a few start, more and more will get involved.

I wasnt there so dont know about the transport? But why dindt everyone just walk to the stadium? My gran lives near the stadium and I always walked from my flat to her house. Its not hard to find, go up Oldham Street, turn right and its a mile tops.

And you cant stop all day drinking. Even if the law didnt provide for it, if someone wants to get pissed, then they will.

I think this criticism of Rangers fans is mostly unjustified. Like The Boy says, Manchester City Council just didnt prepare properly and were undone ultimately by a techinical fault which no one could have predicted. Yes, its a mindless minority, but UEFA wont punish them and it will all be forgotten in a few weeks. I imagine it will have zero impact on any World Cup bid, especially when the 2018 hosts wont be announced until 2012 at the earliest.

I will say this, Manchester coped admirably when 55000 Italians came in 2003. And I'll tell you this, that was a fucking much much much worse game than anything Rangers presented this season.

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The Boy wrote:

Rural Country Boy wrote: Thanks for jeapordising England's (or even Britain's - wasn't there an idea mooted of a joint effort by all the home countries?) chances of hosting the 2018 World Cup , Rangers fans.

If Manchester can't organise the hosting of a UEFA cup final properly, perhaps it's best we don't get the 2018 World Cup.

70 toilets in the city centre for 100,000+ fans Not enough police Badly organised transport links Allowing all day drinking TV screens not working

I'm not defending the actions of the hooligans who caused trouble - but don't blame the genuine Rangers fans!

and yet they managed to host the '03(?) Champs League final no problems...

Always somebody elses fault with your lot isnt it

:laugh:

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Gazmanski wrote:

The Boy wrote:

Rural Country Boy wrote: Thanks for jeapordising England's (or even Britain's - wasn't there an idea mooted of a joint effort by all the home countries?) chances of hosting the 2018 World Cup , Rangers fans.

If Manchester can't organise the hosting of a UEFA cup final properly, perhaps it's best we don't get the 2018 World Cup.

70 toilets in the city centre for 100,000+ fans Not enough police Badly organised transport links Allowing all day drinking TV screens not working

I'm not defending the actions of the hooligans who caused trouble - but don't blame the genuine Rangers fans!

and yet they managed to host the '03(?) Champs League final no problems...

Always somebody elses fault with your lot isnt it

:laugh:

I was in Manc on Weds and like 99.9 percent of the fans had a great trouble free time. I think any club taking that amount of fans to a different city and having all day drinking was bound to result in some violence. (The same thing happens at music festivals - Leeds festival 3 years ago)

The main thing is Manchester wasn't expecting such a great support coming into town ,and couldn't cope with the volume of fans (perhaps Manchester council got them mixed up with Celtic - 3,561 attendance 23/3/08, for which a portable telly would have been adequate for the Celtic fans) :laugh:

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The Boy wrote:

Gazmanski wrote:

The Boy wrote:

Rural Country Boy wrote: Thanks for jeapordising England's (or even Britain's - wasn't there an idea mooted of a joint effort by all the home countries?) chances of hosting the 2018 World Cup , Rangers fans.

If Manchester can't organise the hosting of a UEFA cup final properly, perhaps it's best we don't get the 2018 World Cup.

70 toilets in the city centre for 100,000+ fans Not enough police Badly organised transport links Allowing all day drinking TV screens not working

I'm not defending the actions of the hooligans who caused trouble - but don't blame the genuine Rangers fans!

and yet they managed to host the '03(?) Champs League final no problems...

Always somebody elses fault with your lot isnt it

:laugh:

I was in Manc on Weds and like 99.9 percent of the fans had a great trouble free time. I think any club taking that amount of fans to a different city and having all day drinking was bound to result in some violence. (The same thing happens at music festivals - Leeds festival 3 years ago)

The main thing is Manchester wasn't expecting such a great support coming into town ,and couldn't cope with the volume of fans (perhaps Manchester council got them mixed up with Celtic - 3,561 attendance 23/3/08, for which a portable telly would have been adequate for the Celtic fans) :laugh:

80,000 in Seville,zero arrests,

and i dont think Manchester sees you's as a 'great support' any more :laugh:

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Gazmanski wrote:

The Boy wrote:

Gazmanski wrote:

The Boy wrote:

Rural Country Boy wrote: Thanks for jeapordising England's (or even Britain's - wasn't there an idea mooted of a joint effort by all the home countries?) chances of hosting the 2018 World Cup , Rangers fans.

If Manchester can't organise the hosting of a UEFA cup final properly, perhaps it's best we don't get the 2018 World Cup.

70 toilets in the city centre for 100,000+ fans Not enough police Badly organised transport links Allowing all day drinking TV screens not working

I'm not defending the actions of the hooligans who caused trouble - but don't blame the genuine Rangers fans!

and yet they managed to host the '03(?) Champs League final no problems...

Always somebody elses fault with your lot isnt it

:laugh:

I was in Manc on Weds and like 99.9 percent of the fans had a great trouble free time. I think any club taking that amount of fans to a different city and having all day drinking was bound to result in some violence. (The same thing happens at music festivals - Leeds festival 3 years ago)

The main thing is Manchester wasn't expecting such a great support coming into town ,and couldn't cope with the volume of fans (perhaps Manchester council got them mixed up with Celtic - 3,561 attendance 23/3/08, for which a portable telly would have been adequate for the Celtic fans) :laugh:

80,000 in Seville,zero arrests,

and i dont think Manchester sees you's as a 'great support' any more :laugh:

80,000 is that all you take to a UEFA cup final?

Porto :laugh:

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The Boy wrote:

80,000 is that all you take to a UEFA cup final?

Porto :laugh:

Porto :laugh: ??

They won the CL the following season,wonder how the mighty Zenit will fare...:laugh:

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:angry: thanks gers fans for screwing up our chance to see our own team in our own city on wednesday, and no home coming either:nono:

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Erm... You could go to one of the many pubs that wil be showing the game.

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Old Lead Foot wrote: :angry: thanks gers fans for screwing up our chance to see our own team in our own city on wednesday, and no home coming either:nono:

The council don't want to clear up all the prawn sandwich wrappers the next day.:laugh:

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Old Lead Foot wrote: :angry: thanks gers fans for screwing up our chance to see our own team in our own city on wednesday, and no home coming either:nono:

isnt there a homecoming planned in maidenhead and singapore ?

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I sympaphise with genuine Rangers fans but its always the mindless few that ruin it for the rest. That policeman could have been seriously injured or even killed. The thug that got bitten by the policedog was a convicted murdered. A "fan" who was banned from grounds for 3 years moans about cuffs cutting into his wrists and not being able to watch match from cell.

You cant blame the techincal fault or Manchester Council on this one. Fans should have watched game at home. No problems then. And no doubt they would have kicked off if screen did work as they felt the injustice of losing the final to a superior passing team. For gods sake, they were even fighting between themselves.

Then there was a Russian fan stabbed inside the ground. The thugs that turned the city centre into a warzone acting like a bunch of brainless idiots hellbent on distruction. Take a chill pill. You did well to reach the final. Its only a game. Get a grip.

Just hope Moscow isnt carnage.

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