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What a difference a year makes.

They are making some fantastic new signings and in my opinion could knock Arsenal out of the top 4 this season. Robinho, Santa Cruz, Tevez , Bellamy and possibly Adebayor, how many strikers do they want? And just think this time last year Samaras was their only striker.:lol:

Doves,Twisted Wheel and Mike Pickering are playing a concert at the City of Manchester Stadium this Friday (July 17th) to lauch the new kit. Certainly think it's more exciting to be a blue than a red in Manchester these days.

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Samaras wasn't there last season, but otherwise spot on.

New signings will take time to form a team, but I'm expecting good football this season. The financial clout of the new owners is being felt all over the place; brand new website, new kit, new shop, new training facilities and all sorts of trendy link-ups around town.

The signing fees seem ridiculous by City's standards, but we've spent similar money (so far) as bigger clubs in buying windows. The players wages being reported are just ridiculous though - that's where the silly money is going. Doubtless the spending will play as big a part in any power shift as the football. Other clubs are going to have to raise their wagebands or feel the pressure of losing players to clubs that can.

Personally, I hope we don't get Terry from Chelsea. He's a Chelsea player and should have been left alone. The ethics, if not the economics, of the other signings have been okay.

Is it a good thing? Speaking selfishly I'd say yes, of course. There should be some great football coming and I can't wait for the season to start. In terms of the bigger picture - is it right for City to attempt to wield such economic power?

Err...

Yes.

It's only a game, after all.

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Didt peter swales authorise a bigi spending spree,, where did that get em:evil4:

those with habits and ways

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SWALES OUT!!!

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Manchester City have stuck their fingers up at their past. Gone are the Goater, David White, Paul Dicov barren trophy cabinet years of misery and along comes a team with some top european players, unlimited money, and real ambition from the owners, board and directors.

You never now. City might win more than 3 away games next season and might even get a sniff of a final.

Ok, Ok. Just kidding. Its Man City after all. With an unsuccessful manager, some really crap defenders and the ability to implode more regulary than Joey Barton explodes, theyre still gonna get beaten 2-0 to the likes of Burnsley.

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NO Regret wrote:

Ok, Ok. Just kidding. Its Man City after all. With an unsuccessful manager, some really crap defenders and the ability to implode more regulary than Joey Barton explodes, theyre still gonna get beaten 2-0 to the likes of Burnsley.

Chelsea used to be a joke club in the 1980's , dropping down to the old 3rd division and getting beat by Scunthorpe in the cup. I think a few decent defenders and they should push for the top 4 this season .They should be a completely different team compared to last year.If not then it's bye bye Hughes.

It makes me laugh how Fergie reckons money in the game is getting out of hand. Rooney - £26million, Ferdinand £30million, Berbatov £30million. A case of Pot,Kettle, Jealous Twat!!

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Ger Boy wrote:

Chelsea used to be a joke club in the 1980's , dropping down to the old 3rd division and getting beat by Scunthorpe in the cup.

and what's wrong with that?!

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Ger Boy wrote:

NO Regret wrote:

Ok, Ok. Just kidding. Its Man City after all. With an unsuccessful manager, some really crap defenders and the ability to implode more regulary than Joey Barton explodes, theyre still gonna get beaten 2-0 to the likes of Burnsley.

Chelsea used to be a joke club in the 1980's , dropping down to the old 3rd division and getting beat by Scunthorpe in the cup. I think a few decent defenders and they should push for the top 4 this season .They should be a completely different team compared to last year.If not then it's bye bye Hughes.

It makes me laugh how Fergie reckons money in the game is getting out of hand. Rooney - £26million, Ferdinand £30million, Berbatov £30million. A case of Pot,Kettle, Jealous Twat!!

I didnt know Ferguson has had a swipe. What a wassock! I know Rafael Benetiz had a pop at Gareth Barry for only joining Man City for the money. The guy that signs Glen Johnson for £17 million, when no other team was in the chase for him.

POT + KETTLE = TWAT!!

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NO Regret wrote:

Ok, Ok. Just kidding. Its Man City after all. With an unsuccessful manager, some really crap defenders and the ability to implode more regulary than Joey Barton explodes, theyre still gonna get beaten 2-0 to the likes of Burnsley.

What a load of crap. You really should stick to posting about things you know about. And learn to spell.

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Diamond 383 wrote:

NO Regret wrote:

Ok, Ok. Just kidding. Its Man City after all. With an unsuccessful manager, some really crap defenders and the ability to implode more regulary than Joey Barton explodes, theyre still gonna get beaten 2-0 to the likes of Burnsley.

What a load of crap. You really should stick to posting about things you know about. And learn to spell.

Speiling was never my forte. So you really think Man City will finish in top four? 7th at best for me but reckon mid table. too many strikers, too many egos and an unproven manager.

But if they now go out and buy 3 quality defenders and 2 more midfelders then they really would have a shout for a decent season.

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whatever we should have kept sven goran

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SGE was useless.

As far as I know, Manchester City have not stated any belief that a top four place is a realistic aspiration this season, although of course the target for any football club should be as higher place as possible. Most of the fans are excited about the prospect of a bit more organisation, better club facilities and more attractive football. The 'who do they think they are' ravings of rival managers and fans (and people who know fuck all about it who like to beat their gums on internet forums) are pathetic. These people should worry about preparing for their own seasons.

Loathe as I am to respond to such ravings, it may be worth checking the facts behind Mark Hughes' managerial career to date. There's a nice summary on Wikipedia, listing his achievements at Blackburn. I'm not saying he's the best manager in the world, but it's a bit prickish to dismiss him as unproven.

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Went down like a sack of spuds in the Hac one night though :ignore:

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Diamond 383 wrote: SGE was useless.

As far as I know, Manchester City have not stated any belief that a top four place is a realistic aspiration this season, although of course the target for any football club should be as higher place as possible. Most of the fans are excited about the prospect of a bit more organisation, better club facilities and more attractive football. The 'who do they think they are' ravings of rival managers and fans (and people who know fuck all about it who like to beat their gums on internet forums) are pathetic. These people should worry about preparing for their own seasons.

Loathe as I am to respond to such ravings, it may be worth checking the facts behind Mark Hughes' managerial career to date. There's a nice summary on Wikipedia, listing his achievements at Blackburn. I'm not saying he's the best manager in the world, but it's a bit prickish to dismiss him as unproven.

Only time will tell. Will be interesting to watch at the least. Paying out millionaires doesnt guarantee success (Newcastle, Blackburn and Spurs are proof of that).

I make no apology for being "prickish" but I just cant see how Hughes is going to keep all 9 strikers happy.

Nothing wrong with my gums:lol:

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Diamond 383 wrote: Samaras wasn't there last season, but otherwise spot on.

New signings will take time to form a team, but I'm expecting good football this season. The financial clout of the new owners is being felt all over the place; brand new website, new kit, new shop, new training facilities and all sorts of trendy link-ups around town.

The signing fees seem ridiculous by City's standards, but we've spent similar money (so far) as bigger clubs in buying windows. The players wages being reported are just ridiculous though - that's where the silly money is going. Doubtless the spending will play as big a part in any power shift as the football. Other clubs are going to have to raise their wagebands or feel the pressure of losing players to clubs that can.

Personally, I hope we don't get Terry from Chelsea. He's a Chelsea player and should have been left alone. The ethics, if not the economics, of the other signings have been okay.

Is it a good thing? Speaking selfishly I'd say yes, of course. There should be some great football coming and I can't wait for the season to start. In terms of the bigger picture - is it right for City to attempt to wield such economic power?

Err...

Yes.

It's only a game, after all.

And you're really happy about the way your club is heading? I'd rather win nothing every season and keep some ethics than compete at any cost - this kind of buying, as you have pointed out, is what's killing the smaller clubs and what ruins football.

If this was Arsenal - i'd be horrified and disgusted, as would most of the real fans. That be a true fact. Maybe i'm fortunate to have seen my team win all major competitions, bar the Champions League, but my best seasons have been the ones where we've not won anything. Last season was the best season I ever had with Arsenal - especially the champions league against United, for all the wrong reasons but would not have changed it for anything. I'll take that every season over bailing out this kind of cash, thanks all the same. After all, there's something refreshing in seeing Arsenal still able to play the best football in the Premiership on their day, without having gone sweetie shopping as the other big clubs have - even if it's not enough to get us anywhere long term.

I'm only doing away games from next season (bar the odd home game) and i've just bought my son his first season ticket for Barnet Football Club - now that's what it's all about! :thumb:

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Orlando Pirates 2-0 Man City

Money cant buy it.....its priceless!

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Bonzette wrote:

And you're really happy about the way your club is heading? I'd rather win nothing every season and keep some ethics than compete at any cost - this kind of buying, as you have pointed out, is what's killing the smaller clubs and what ruins football.

So are you an Arsenal fan trying to keep another nose out of the big trough, or a Barnet fan complaining that your sport is being killed?

Either sounds like sour grapes to me, Bonz. Arsenal did some amazing business when they built the new stadium and facilities. I remember reading at the time that the new training facility was among the best in the world and all financed by the sale of the old ground and some very clever property development around the new stadium (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). I'm sure the stadium name didn't come from thin air either, another massive injection of cash which basically helped to re-invent the whole football club. That's when you did your sweetie shopping, and the club reaps the rewards today. Wenger currently finds himself in the happy position of being able to sell some pricey players and he's got a young squad to draw on, but it's all been financed by a massive injection of cash at some point in the past, and that's not going to happen again. Does it really matter if it came from a land sale, a huge sponsorship deal or the very deep pockets of a rich Arab?

Complaints from the big clubs about City's spending sound like what they are - attempts to keep new members out of the big club gang. The holier-than-thou attitude really doesn't wash with me; all of the big clubs have got the money from somewhere whether it's uncontrolled borrowing, wealthy benefactors, milking the fans or hawking the image and the soul of the club around the world like just another faceless brand.

As for winning things, for sure it's not the be all and end all, but watching your team play good, exciting football is, and seeing a bit of pride and passion around your club makes a refreshing change. We glimpsed it last year, and this year it should get even better.

I don't see how any of it is hurting the smaller clubs in the slightest - what difference does it make to them? A handful of players being snatched away for mental money just gives other players at smaller clubs a chance, and I don't believe for a second that a significant number of fans are pulled between the clubs by changing success patterns. It must be annoying to play for a couple of grand a week when you're doing the same job as someone earning £150k +, but I don't think there's that many professional footballers on income support and they could always train a bit harder and get a lift up the leagues. Most footballers are drunken, lazy bastards anyway, the players you see getting the mega cash will be many times more committed than players down the league.

City's current model isn't ideal, but football doesn't live in an ideal world.

And there'll always be a seat for you at Eastlands :thumb:

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NO Regret wrote: Orlando Pirates 2-0 Man City

Money cant buy it.....its priceless!

Money didn't buy it - hardly any of the first team players were on the field.

What's your team, anyway? Have you got one or are you just full-time bitter about mine?

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Diamond 383 wrote:

NO Regret wrote: Orlando Pirates 2-0 Man City

Money cant buy it.....its priceless!

Money didn't buy it - hardly any of the first team players were on the field.

What's your team, anyway? Have you got one or are you just full-time bitter about mine?

God I love a wind up. My teams Forest. So you neednt feel too threatened. Actually the 2 teams arent that disimilar. As we have been throwing the old green stuff around abit too of late.

Ive got nothing against City. But they do amuse me. Im sure if they have a right go next season and do something it will shut many people (me included)up. But lets just see how the season pans out.

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You're getting better at it, I'll give you that.

:wink:

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Nah - I don't like grapes. I don't support Barnet, just stating that I got my son a season ticket there because he supports them more than Arsenal - which I find refreshing, it reminds of my first days at Arsenal that he'll never have the chance to have. I'm glad he's so into supporting a lower league club and he's passionate, he's unlikely to ever see them win anything or play brilliant football, but he doesn't care because he loves the Bees. £18 can sit where he likes and it's a great place for kids - unlike the Premiership these days. Like how football used to be and how I remember when I started going. Don’t think City have any bearing on Barnet, or the lower divisions, at all.

I've always like City, especially for sitting in the shadows of United. But to me, it's a bit of a Chelsea thing, and let's be frank - who really respects the likes of Chelsea for their achievements? And I don't see how City is different. I'm not knocking that you must be keen to win things and play great football - but I believe it can be done a different way, I think Arsenal have proved this on some levels.

As for Arsenal and new ground and blah, blah - you're correct, we built and moved to a bigger ground to compete with the likes of Chelsea and United, bigger ticket sales and so forth. Yes it's called Emirates, yes sponsorship is involved but quite clearly there's a difference, because the ground has crippled Arsenal and we're still trying to pay for it. Why do you think Wenger does not really buy? There's not the money there too. It's played down by the board big time, but it's a major strain on Arsenal as a club. Although I’m not entirely sure Wenger would still spend big like City has, even if the cash was there. There’s got to be an element of ethically doing things differently that you surely can’t deny, when you refer to the young players that Arsene has proved can be nurtured into world class players, without spending big, big, big?!

I’m hardly holier-than-thou, but on the football front there’s no denying the difference in spending on players at Arsenal in relation to Chelsea, United, Tottenham, and now City and at the end of the day it’s the football that it’s all about come kick off, and we’re not the same as any of you when the squad takes the field.

I'm not denying that football everywhere has changed, and sadly because of this I won't go to Emirates very much anymore because I can't stand what the Emirates has become. It’s not Highbury, it’s not the same kind of ‘fans’ that went week in and week out at Highbury. It's a disgrace, and I can tell you often the seats are empty (remember all the so called Arsenal fans streaming out the Emirates in the second leg of the semi against United last season?) - Especially when Arsenal is not competing, and it makes me mad. I went to many away games last year – it kicked the arse out of home games. The fans are much tighter, the hardcore, more fun, more like how it was at Highbury and exactly why I am an Arsenal fan – that sense of being part of something and making the long trips home when you had been battered away. Nearly all my friends I’ve gone to football with for the past 25 years have given up their season tickets. I find that sad. Arsenal typically has a five year waiting list for season tickets - this year I was offered over 20 to buy. This is a clear signal of the state of play at Emirates, however. That was totally unheard of a few years ago. A season ticket was gold dust. We've won nothing since we moved there, in some sick way I’m glad though. I'm hand on heart when I say my only saving grace at Arsenal is that we've not spent big but played good football. We chanced it on the stadium and we’ve struggled. I believe there is a different business ethic between Arsenal and the other big clubs, not entirely, as you have pointed out, but it’s there. For now.

Even as far back as the 90s Arsenal have refused to pay the obscene amount of wages that other clubs have, Ashley Cole being a prime example of Arsenal refusing to back down on a few grand even at the cost of losing a player. That appeals to me.

And the young bloods you refer too - well they're leaving us slowly, Col – again as you pointed out, to move to bigger and better clubs that win things (I believe Adebayor’s parting shot was that he went to City to er, win things?) - so if that happens to Arsenal, what hope do the smaller clubs in the Premiership have (I was not referring to lower divisions but the smaller clubs in Premiership) Clearly having sponsorship does not pay as well as having a rich owner, otherwise the ground would be paid for and we'd more proven world class players, instead of relying on young or unknown players.

I can't see how you can justify the fact that swooping into clubs and buying whoever you want and them having no choice but to sell to survive financially (or completely outbidding a smaller club within the premiership with unlimited wages for a player) is not going to have a significant effect on how those clubs compete within the Premiership?

I think it's a well known fact that Arsenal are not competing to a standard that is expected for a club that size, so where are these ‘rewards’ you talk of?. I'd rather finish 4th every year, than splash the cash and be a Chelsea or a City. It's inevitable however, with how these teams have set the standard that Arsenal will sell out completely eventually to compete with the big spending clubs.

And of course there will always be a seat for you at the Emirates – take your pick!

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Well your all welcome to come down to pompey, and if you can bring benji back well be happy, now pompey is how football used to be,, ,no protection from the pouring rain, stinking toilets , dog burgers,,, you have to sit down,,, yea the old days, these days at pompey.

when sol went up to lift the f.a. i was there.

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I overheard a couple of Luton fans discussing their upcoming season:

"How many seats do you reckon there'll be in the places we play next season"

"Seats?"

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79 order wrote: Well your all welcome to come down to pompey, and if you can bring benji back well be happy, now pompey is how football used to be,, ,no protection from the pouring rain, stinking toilets , dog burgers,,, you have to sit down,,, yea the old days, these days at pompey.

when sol went up to lift the f.a. i was there.

Nice Shirt :lol:

NO Regret wrote: . My teams Forest.

Nottinghams second richest club. :lol:

Bonzette wrote: [And you're really happy about the way your club is heading? I'd rather win nothing every season and keep some ethics than compete at any cost :thumb:

Man City are debt free ,the owners have said they don't want the money back for the players they are buying - unlike Roman at Chelsea. Arsenal are in big trouble if they fail to qualify for the champions league as the club are in so much debt. So not qualifying would mean losing your big name players, Arsene probably leaving and being mocked by Spurs fans. And you are happy with this ?

:confused2:

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I just wrote a really long reply, pressed submit and it vanished. is this site having problems?

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I'm sure all of our new signings came for footballing reasons. Some of them might have done, anyway. Alright, none of them did. They're a bunch of mercenary bastards who rarely give a shit about the clubs or fans. There, I’ve said it. I don't like the pursuit of John Terry one bit. That's no good for anyone as far as I can see. There, I’ve said that too. It's not been all one way though, Danny Sturridge went to Chelsea because City wouldn't meet his wage demands. Chelsea flashed the cash and we lost a really promising academy graduate. It brought back nasty memories of them taking Wright-Phillips when we really needed him. We've had the years of the best players leaving to the money clubs, but we came through it. There's nothing like the satisfaction of seeing 'your' player completely fail to perform at his new club, as is often the case. And nothing like stealing a poorly-performing bargain from a rival and seeing him score against them. It’s even alright when your gangly Greek fucks off and finds success at his new club, providing it’s in a different league to you. Players move around, it’s part of the game and it rarely seems fair to everyone. I'm really interested by what you say about the atmosphere at home games being ruined by all the progress, that's not good to hear. Like most football grounds these days, the atmosphere in amongst the majority of the home fans at Eastlands is rarely inspiring. I remember my son asking me if we were allowed to sing and shout like the away fans, which really upset me and several people around me. Imagine a little boy not only sitting in silence at a football ground, but also thinking that we were supposed to be quiet! His comments inspired a defiant little choir of strangers for the rest of the match and another singsong on the walk from the ground. We even sang a song that Sam made up: “City is the place to be”. That’s one of my most precious memories of both Football and fatherhood, so it’s an ill wind that blows no good. Whether this is due to high ticket prices preventing people from going to many games, or something else, I don’t know. Things did improve towards the end of the last season. Our last European game was like a carnival: there were bananas everywhere. It’s wasn’t a spontaneous thing though; it was the result of a sustained and organised campaign by the Club and supporters organisations, and tickets were only £5 each. It showed what could be done though. I’ve not taken my boy for a while – it will be interesting to see how he reacts when I take him to a noisier part of the ground, as I intend to do now he’s a bit older. One thing I will say for Manchester United is that they've really raised their game in this regard. Old Trafford used to be like a morgue. The fans, when they made any noise at all, were very critical of their own team, often quite unfairly. Our lot completely out-sung them for the whole of the OT derby a couple of years ago. You could see Reds cringe at the "Time for prawn sandwiches" song for half time and "Fergie was right, your fans are all shite" drew many grudging nods. A year on it was like a different place - the Stretford End were really on form. The whole ground seemed like a more animated place each time I went last season. Fair play to the hardcore of fans that were there before the money and will still be there once it's gone. It must be hard to keep your identity among the glory-hunters and suits, to maintain the passion through the Glaziers' debt, show support for the prima-donnas wearing their shirts and to walk amongst the plastic fans who crowd into the stadium, know the names of two players, silently mouth the words to a few of the songs then sneak out 20 minutes before the whistle to beat the queue in the gift shop.

Perhaps we’ll get glory hunters at Eastlands, how ironic would that be?

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NO Regret wrote: I just wrote a really long reply, pressed submit and it vanished. is this site having problems?

Oh welcome to the long-posters' club. You've had your initiation, it's a bastard when that happens isn't it?

HTML input screens time out after a certain time, or something. If you feel a lengthy post coming on it's safer to highlight it all and hit Copy before submitting. If, like yours just did, it flies off into interweb hell then all you need to do it Paste it back into the editing screen and submit again. Alternatively just compose the post in Word and Copy and Paste to here when it's finished.

The only thing you can do now is try type it all in again while it's fresh in your mind.

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Basically it was a description of Man City's football achievements. (Just kidding). I might try again. It was about how football is now business 1st and sport 2nd. no reverlations really. just my thoughts. Man City wont be the last club to have wealthy benefactors/owners/whatever. I almost feel bad for bashing them now....almost.

On a side point - anyone else think Owen could turn out to be the best signing of the season?

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Diamond 383 wrote: I overheard a couple of Luton fans discussing their upcoming season:

"How many seats do you reckon there'll be in the places we play next season"

"Seats?"

Indeed. 800 standing for our opening away game - a replay of the 1988 FA Cup semi-final.

Oh, and 26 seats - for the disabled, natch.

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