Happy Birthday Julio! — Forum Archive

21 Feb 2006, 13:14

Old Blue wrote: Which you're entitled to, but sometimes it goes deeper than simple name calling. I made a very innocuous comment about him once which was met with a volley abusive e-mails, really over the top stuff, to my work address...

Which still amounts to little more than namecalling, surely?! Which you, I would have thought, seeing that I actually know you, are well above. Julio, to the best of my knowledge, has never even met you, has he? So any abuse from that corner should've been laughable, at best. And very misguided.

I know someone here who DID get the police involved with another individual from this site, and unfortunately that party is still very much mercurial here although I personally think he's a dickhead, and the first individual, sadly, no longer posts, but it doesn't stop me coming here.

I don't see that someone can be barred from a site because he's dished out abuse off-line. I wasn't aware of that so can't make judgements from what may, or may not happened, without us seeing. At the end of the day, I've posted here from the day dot and don't have an issue with Julio. Although, I could happily name one or two individuals who still post here who I would happily take the face off giving the right opportunity and should I be in a particularly bad move at that time, but last thing I do is stamp my feet and moan to other people.

At the end of the day, this effectively amounts to little more than bullying. Well done, boys.

If Mike can be made a temporary mod, I don't see why Julio can't be given a licence to post again. Not that he's ever appeared and said he wants to, so it's perhaps churlish of people to feel they need to cnut him off three years after what may, or may not, have happened.

21 Feb 2006, 13:23

If Mike can be made a temporary mod

I think I am sensible these days. IN THESE DAYS

21 Feb 2006, 13:27

well, apoligies for calling Julio a right tosser.But i was just going on what some people said of him and their experiences of him.I must have missed him somehow so really shouldnt havent have called him a tosser.But reading soem of the stories of him that's a conclusion i made.Maybe he can give his side of the story sometime

21 Feb 2006, 13:30

Johnny wrote: well, apoligies for calling Julio a right tosser.But i was just going on what some people said of him and their experiences of him.I must have missed him somehow so really shouldnt havent have called him a tosser.But reading soem of the stories of him that's a conclusion i made.Maybe he can give his side of the story sometime

THIS I MUST see/hear! :nod: Anyway, it'll give Mike something to do........... :ignore:

21 Feb 2006, 13:30

I see my Moderating status has sent shockwaves. On behalf of Julio thanks for the apology

21 Feb 2006, 13:40

"Digital Mike Binoche" wrote: I see my Moderating status has sent shockwaves.

Has it? sorry , you've lost me there :scratch:

21 Feb 2006, 19:18

Al Jarvis wrote: Don't see why the lad can't post again. He's obviously got New Order at heart. Interesting considering that the next tranche of gigs they'll perform will be in his homeland too. I mean, he flew to Finsbree all the way from Brazil. How many Brits are gonna repay the compliment this year around?!

If he's really not been here for three years, then that's longer than you get for some heinous crimes in this country nowadays. I'm sorry, but cheating in Community ain't a major offence to me. It might've been harsh at the time, but that was a long, long time ago. And dissing and namecalling other onliners is just part and parcel of this forum these days, surely, and not exactly a sackable offence.

But that's just my opinion.

It's quite simple Al, if I unban him, Tim, Ricardo and almanso all said they would leave this website.

So we must have lost many things in the portugese forum so both moderators can't stand him!!

So I'd rather keep 3 moderators than giving Julio a 3rd chance right now... he knows he'd have to fix things with the 3 before even being allowed.

Tim got his own 2nd chance, and well, he did pretty well....

21 Feb 2006, 19:25

Al Jarvis wrote:

I know someone here who DID get the police involved with another individual from this site, and unfortunately that party is still very much mercurial here although I personally think he's a dickhead, and the first individual, sadly, no longer posts, but it doesn't stop me coming here.

Interesting :evil4:

Only person I know on this website that can cause that much trouble is Sebastien... another case of people with multiple personality disorder... total different person online and offline, trust me ;)

He did send lawyers letter to David Sultan's ISP for copyrights on the NOOL design replicated at WorldInMotion, and, well, he did have an interesting story of sending some stupid website to Jonathan Scott that almost caused a nuclear meltdown ;)

So there is worst?

21 Feb 2006, 21:02

Spotnick wrote: ... he knows he'd have to fix things with the 3 before even being allowed.

I'm post- postman so only know what I've read here. One thing that's clear to me is that Nic has been consistent in his explaination of the conditions for this guy's return. If there's a way back, it's via an apology being accepted by a few people, no? Has Julio even attempted to apologise or make amends? Is there any evidence that he would be better behaved if allowed back?

21 Feb 2006, 21:20

Well Colin, Julio does chat with me from time to time, he does know about this... he needs to make a public appology for cheating in Community, and he needs to sort things with those 3 people.

He knows that for almost 2 years now, and I have not heard of anything about this, although I thought Tim sorted things about the postal issues... :scratch:

Let's say he had issues in the past, he asked Sebastien to f**k himself when Sebastien warned him about spamming the forums with his trade list, that was strike 1, then the Community thing was strike 2... I'm willing to give him another chance, but he would have to do the things I asked, and obviously he didn't after all this time, so I don't think it's going to happen.

As far as I know, he was still denying cheating on Community until he replied to the Community 2 press release on WorldInMotion's forums ;)

21 Feb 2006, 21:30

As I said, that seems clear enough to me.

And reasonable.

22 Feb 2006, 01:04

:lol:

The wee man will be pissing himself that he has been mentioned on the site again and causing so much grief without actually being here!!!

If he apologised for all those he offended (and they accepted) - I'd be happy to see him back, as long as he promised not to beg for every fucking video or CD boot I mention in other threads! :D

22 Feb 2006, 01:11

Al Jarvis wrote:

Old Blue wrote: Which you're entitled to, but sometimes it goes deeper than simple name calling. I made a very innocuous comment about him once which was met with a volley abusive e-mails, really over the top stuff, to my work address...

Which still amounts to little more than namecalling, surely?! Which you, I would have thought, seeing that I actually know you, are well above. Julio, to the best of my knowledge, has never even met you, has he? So any abuse from that corner should've been laughable, at best. And very misguided.

I know someone here who DID get the police involved with another individual from this site, and unfortunately that party is still very much mercurial here although I personally think he's a dickhead, and the first individual, sadly, no longer posts, but it doesn't stop me coming here.

I don't see that someone can be barred from a site because he's dished out abuse off-line. I wasn't aware of that so can't make judgements from what may, or may not happened, without us seeing. At the end of the day, I've posted here from the day dot and don't have an issue with Julio. Although, I could happily name one or two individuals who still post here who I would happily take the face off giving the right opportunity and should I be in a particularly bad move at that time, but last thing I do is stamp my feet and moan to other people.

At the end of the day, this effectively amounts to little more than bullying. Well done, boys.

If Mike can be made a temporary mod, I don't see why Julio can't be given a licence to post again. Not that he's ever appeared and said he wants to, so it's perhaps churlish of people to feel they need to cnut him off three years after what may, or may not, have happened.

You're being a little hard on me there, mate. I'm not trying to bully or slag anyone off. All I'm saying is that sometimes stuff that you would consider harmless in the virtual world, (like some laughable rantings from someone on the other side of the world that you've never met) can spill over into the real world - with very real consequences.

If he were to come back, he'd just join that small list of posters that I'd use the 'ignore' button on, if such a facility existed around here.

22 Feb 2006, 01:57

Old Blue wrote: You're being a little hard on me there, mate. I'm not trying to bully or slag anyone off.

I'm not being hard on you as an individual, but collectively. I made an innocuous comment about Julio and everyone's there telling me how bad he is.

I personally don't have an issue with him. Although there are people here I genuinely do have issues with. I wouldn't try to get anyone barred though.

Seeing as we're dragging up past history, Tim's been BANNED from this site, and was still allowed back. Pot. Kettle.

And the Community thing cuts no mustard with me whatsoever, I'm sorry to say. What 'Community' exactly?! The only people from here I knew on the last offering were Tim's lot. I didn't know Cambo had been involved until recently. It's not like it was regular posters being involved, or people we know from concerts, so it's not something I find particularly galling that someone cheated on it.

22 Feb 2006, 02:51

Yes but Al, I was banned by Seb in one of his power moods because he was jealous that I was able to go to gigs and had more bootlegs than him!

22 Feb 2006, 03:08

oldmonkey wrote: Yes but Al, I was banned by Seb in one of his power moods because he was jealous that I was able to go to gigs and had more bootlegs than him!

Yeah , i always detect an undercurrent of "i've got more bootlegs/rarities/dvds/videos than you" one-upmanship around here.Quite sad and childish really.Or maybe i'm just jealous? :laugh:

22 Feb 2006, 03:13

oldmonkey wrote: Yes but Al, I was banned by Seb in one of his power moods because he was jealous that I was able to go to gigs and had more bootlegs than him!

You two conducted quite a war of words though. And it was his website.

As I said earlier, I don't know if Julio even wants to come back here, but it was you - as a moderator of this forum - who started this thread, which as I've already said is very nearly tantamount to bullying. You're using this forum to have a pop at someone you don't like and who's got no right of reply. Bit black and white, but that's the way it looks from where I'm sitting.

22 Feb 2006, 03:52

I started the thread to genuinely wish him a happy birthday in the spirit of glasnost, similar to my agreeing to have a beer with Brian when he's over here shortly. No ulterior motives, and certainly not bullying.

It was only when various new people asked who Julio was that several people chipped in with fond remembrance. I don't hold grudges against anyone, but you only have to see his persistant antagonism on WIM to see that he is not prepared to let bygones be bygones, in fact is keen to perpetuate ill-feeling.

22 Feb 2006, 05:27

thanks for letting me know who he is

i was like :confused2:

22 Feb 2006, 07:25

Al Jarvis wrote: I don't see that someone can be barred from a site because he's dished out abuse off-line...Although, I could happily name one or two individuals who still post here who I would happily take the face off giving the right opportunity and should I be in a particularly bad move at that time, but last thing I do is stamp my feet and moan to other people.

:skeptic:

well, it's a good thing we won't be getting together when i come to the UK.

22 Feb 2006, 07:51

AgentWood wrote:

Al Jarvis wrote: I don't see that someone can be barred from a site because he's dished out abuse off-line...Although, I could happily name one or two individuals who still post here who I would happily take the face off giving the right opportunity and should I be in a particularly bad move at that time, but last thing I do is stamp my feet and moan to other people.

well, it's a good thing we won't be getting together when i come to the UK.

That wasn't aimed at you.

The only time I would take the 'take the face off' women is when I've not shaved for a couple of days. :lol:

22 Feb 2006, 08:41

Al Jarvis wrote:

AgentWood wrote:

Al Jarvis wrote: I don't see that someone can be barred from a site because he's dished out abuse off-line...Although, I could happily name one or two individuals who still post here who I would happily take the face off giving the right opportunity and should I be in a particularly bad move at that time, but last thing I do is stamp my feet and moan to other people.

well, it's a good thing we won't be getting together when i come to the UK.

That wasn't aimed at you.

The only time I would take the 'take the face off' women is when I've not shaved for a couple of days.

fair enough. just had to get one in there to see what would happen.

glad to hear you have hair somewhere on your head.;)

22 Feb 2006, 08:52

HOOOLIO is the first NOOLER to be martyred then by the looks of things.

is he dead as well??

:lol:

22 Feb 2006, 10:08

AgentWood wrote: hair somewhere on your head.;)

Bald guys with facial hair have the highest level of male hormones you know. yer in there Agent :D

22 Feb 2006, 11:15

Johnny wrote: Jeez ,sounds like a right tosser

seconded. by the sound of it thirded and fourthed- plus encore. guess that it's good that it was addressed as neworderonline is a freely accessed international www site that is listed/ linked with most every NO search. so the who's Julio can raise an eybrow. fwt-much is simple to dismiss, forgive, or ignore but this Charlie clearly crossed some lines. scamming $ and information. messing offline. here and elsewhere. :thumbdown: sounds like b-day wishes .sure. but not from the bunch he tried to screw. go moderator Spotnick. :stephen: