The Stone Roses

(A.H.W.) The Stone Roses, unimportant? After all these years A.H.W. still talking absolute bollocks.

Originally posted by Karen James (A.H.W.) The Stone Roses, unimportant? After all these years A.H.W. still talking absolute bollocks.

Unimportant translates to-I can't claim to have discoverd them/signed them to my label. I reckon his 3,200 sq. ft. loft couldn't quite accomadate his ego. As for the Roses being Goth's, who cares, they were also the last great guitar band. It's a fact, it says so here on the internet.

It's not often I agree with Wilson (he's dropped the Tony bit it seems !), but I'd even take it a stage further. The Stone Roses were a pile of overhyped steaming dogshit that should never have been allowed into a studio or on stage. Bandwaggon-following in the right place at the right time was all they had going for them. Rant over.

Originally posted by Allen Jarvis As he said in London last night: he remembered them when they were a dodgy Goth band in 1983. No one likes dodgy Goths ;)

yeh but dodgy goths are responsible for half of new orders record sales :)

Originally posted by Allen Jarvis As he said in London last night: he remembered them when they were a dodgy Goth band in 1983. No one likes dodgy Goths ;)

I don't mind The Cure....;)

C'mon Stone ROses made a superb first album - The second album stunk mind you

Originally posted by Allen Jarvis As he said in London last night: he remembered them when they were a dodgy Goth band in 1983. No one likes dodgy Goths ;)

But, but, but they were lovely

Originally posted by Zizou Zidane It's not often I agree with Wilson (he's dropped the Tony bit it seems !), but I'd even take it a stage further. The Stone Roses were a pile of overhyped steaming dogshit that should never have been allowed into a studio or on stage. Bandwaggon-following in the right place at the right time was all they had going for them. Rant over.

But, but, but they were lovely

Where Angels Play is lovely

Personally, if it wasn't for The Stone Roses and the whole "Madchester" bollocks I'd never have listened to anything outwith the late 80's indie ghetto. Hearing Fool's Gold as a 16 year old was the singular most important musical event of my life so far. So there.

First of all, I am in the USA, and I do not know what "dodgy" means. Please explain. My opinion of the Roses was, was a great first album. She Bangs The Drums! And of course some one named Mr. Hook produced one of their songs, didn't he? And Goth? COme on now! They never dressed in black or wore dark red lipstick!

thanks for the info!

Ten Storey Love Song has lyrics B would die for

more people need to defend the roses! i liked them a lot (the first record was great)when you make good music, the hype is a little more forgivable. and since i'm north american, i clearly didn't see them as over-hyped. in fact, i'd prefer to see the stone roses in magazines and hear them in shopping malls than say, pearl jam or jewel. jewel is overhyped and i can't stand her self-important poetic crap. yuck.

Originally posted by Allen Jarvis > Originally posted by ed verrilla> > And Goth? COme on now! They never dressed in black or wore dark red lipstick!>

Er, yes they did. They were indeed a dodgy Goth band before they discovered 'baggy'. Fools Gold made 'em. The album was already out and doing 'fair to middling' till then. Next thing you know they're superstars. Saw 'em in a club in Brighton in 89 purely cos of the Hook link and there was about 40 people there. Soon as Fools Gold came out they did one HUGE gig at Spike Island then disappeared for about 4 years. Indeed, a decent first album but they'll only ever be remembered for one track.

The Hook Link??? What you mean the very, very piss poor production of Elephant Stone 7" as opposed to the very, very lovely 12" version as produced by one Mr J. Leckie???

Originally posted by ed verrilla thanks for the info!

Ed, stand your ground Man...he's talkin Pish...the Roses were F****** MEGA, Man.

Oh! and Sally Cinnamon is very lovely.

And Simone 4.24 is gorgeous

I used to own the same T-shirt that Ian Brown's wearing in the Fools Gold video. Thats how cool I was even as a 12 year old ;)

As I said, steaming pile of dogshit.

Originally posted by Ian Pillar > Originally posted by Allen Jarvis> As he said in London last night: he remembered them when they were a dodgy Goth band in 1983. > > No one likes dodgy Goths ;)> > >

yeh but dodgy goths are responsible for half of new orders record sales :)

I beg to differ

Originally posted by Zizou Zidane As I said, steaming pile of dogshit.

As I said, Bollocks

Don't believe the hype ! Three or four good tracks on the first album, one on the second album. Fools Gold was overhyped. Big music press overkill/arsekiss, very poor live. I cannot ever believe that this lot were apparently voted as one of the most influential bands of all time. Mind you, all that Madchester was a load of bollocks as well, but maybe I just don't go for the "hey, drugs are cool" culture.

Originally posted by Allen Jarvis > Originally posted by ed verrilla> > And Goth? COme on now! They never dressed in black or wore dark red lipstick!>

Er, yes they did. They were indeed a dodgy Goth band before they discovered 'baggy'. Fools Gold made 'em. The album was already out and doing 'fair to middling' till then. Next thing you know they're superstars. Saw 'em in a club in Brighton in 89 purely cos of the Hook link and there was about 40 people there. Soon as Fools Gold came out they did one HUGE gig at Spike Island then disappeared for about 4 years. Indeed, a decent first album but they'll only ever be remembered for one track.

It's fair to say they were slightly economical with the truth, I don't buy it that they were wearing flares two years before they made it. Were I disagree entirely with your recollection is of the one song phenomenom line, there was a steady build up of momentum for about a year. The first album was out a hole year before it took off. One of the first places I heard one of their tracks out was a bar called 'Kirklands' notorious for open drug usage and a large Rastafarian presence and an exemplary music policy at the time and it sounded amazing. Do you recall if the widely heralded Blackpool and Ally Pally gigs were after Fools Gold? BTW One Love is a whole lot better than Fool's Gold anyhow. From my perspective they were alraedy riding on a crest of a wave prior to the release of Fools Gold, the only reason it blew up further was that they actually managed to develope thier sound and took it on, rather just match their prior output.

Blackpool Empress Ballroom Saturday August 12, 1989. A beautiful day for a beautiful band. Anyone have a story to tell about the day?

Originally posted by Allen Jarvis They all lied about their ages - saying they were all 21 or whatever when they first made it big, whereas they were really 26 or 27 or something. And dodgy Goths.Had a cool dancer, mind - Cressa, was it? But didn't really make the most of him.

Cressa - recently spotted around various Manchester 'nitespots', dressed like a Big Issue seller, totally off his tits, playing dizzy ducklings all by himself whilst staring at the ceiling. Another wasted bongo playing talent ;)

Cressa, S*** hot with a YoYo, more than a touch competant with the Amps (he didn't quite play the bongos..did he)and wore flares circa 1986 (FACT)

I admit that all the arse kissing of Stone Roses by the Oasis simpletons and any other guitar band under the sun does grate, along with all the music press citing them as sucha huge influence, but the simple fact is they made some great tunes.

Mind you I hate John Squire almost as much as Damon - can anyone remember how dire the Seahorses were?

can anyone remember how dire the Seahorses were?

Please don't remind me

Originally posted by Karen James Blackpool Empress Ballroom Saturday August 12, 1989. A beautiful day for a beautiful band. Anyone have a story to tell about the day?

Yeah. Scored 50 and took 5-26 for Worcester vs Old Hill in the Birmingham League. Followed it up the next day with a ton.

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Originally posted by Zizou Zidane > Originally posted by Karen James> Blackpool Empress Ballroom Saturday August 12, 1989. A beautiful day for a beautiful band. Anyone have a story to tell about the day?

Yeah. Scored 50 and took 5-26 for Worcester vs Old Hill in the Birmingham League. Followed it up the next day with a ton.

Two blistering performances in One day then. Ignore the fakers ZZ. Bring it all down...

Originally posted by Zizou Zidane > Originally posted by Karen James> Blackpool Empress Ballroom Saturday August 12, 1989. A beautiful day for a beautiful band. Anyone have a story to tell about the day?

Yeah. Scored 50 and took 5-26 for Worcester vs Old Hill in the Birmingham League. Followed it up the next day with a ton.

Bet it wasnt a patch on Thorpey's innings last night ;)

Originally posted by Seb Briggs > Originally posted by Zizou Zidane> > > > Originally posted by Karen James> > Blackpool Empress Ballroom Saturday August 12, 1989. A beautiful day for a beautiful band. Anyone have a story to tell about the day?>

Yeah. Scored 50 and took 5-26 for Worcester vs Old Hill in the Birmingham League. Followed it up the next day with a ton.

Bet it wasnt a patch on Thorpey's innings last night ;)

50 off 20 balls, 10x4 1x6, very streaky. Nowhere near as good as Thorpey's magnificent Kiwi-bashing. The Kiwi in our office is strangely quiet today :)

Favourite Roses song???

Originally posted by Karen James Favourite Roses song???

She Bangs The Drums or Made of Stone. Ten Storey Love Song comes third, followed by Waterfall. Quite like I Wanna Be a Horse as well :)

The mighty One Love has no peers in late Twentieth century rock, play it loud, it's a colossal juggernaut.

They're both shit

Originally posted by Karen James Favourite Roses song???

Only have the first Roses CD, so my faves are Adored, She Bangs, and This Is The One. Also like to put the second half of Resurrection on very loudly to annoy the neighbors.

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I love both The Stone Roses and New Order - both have made valuable contributions to music. Out of interest does anyone know which LP has sold the most - New Orders "Technique" or The Stone Roses "The Stone Roses" Finally, I've never associated The Stone Roses with the Goth movement. Maybe that's just a bitter Tony Wilson spin cause he never signed the second best band to come out of Manchester.

Originally posted by Allen Jarvis Did go to Spike Island, mind. Total let down generally. The band were okay, but they preceded them with loads of DJ's. Not dance tents or anything, just music banging out from the stage all day. Pointless, and pretty boring. Didn't do their homework at all. Same size as Reading, but with no real focal point.

I saw the Hookmeister himself standing outside the beer tent at Spike Island.

Not really Hubert, in the last two weeks Evergreen by Will Longchin (Papidol - beware USA, from the nation that brought you millinaire :violence: its coming to a tv near you sooooooooooooon) has sold more copies than BM has sold in all its different forms

Volume of sales don't mean didley squit

This moan was brought to you in remembrance of M Gray

Originally posted by Mark Cunningham I love both The Stone Roses and New Order - both have made valuable contributions to music.Out of interest does anyone know which LP has sold the most - New Orders "Technique" or The Stone Roses "The Stone Roses"Finally, I've never associated The Stone Roses with the Goth movement. Maybe that's just a bitter Tony Wilson spin cause he never signed the second best band to come out of Manchester.

Mark, we all have a History don't we?

I think Wilson's frustration stems from a brilliant piece of A&R his ex -Lindsay Reade displayed in securing the Roses deal with Silvertone. She offered sanity as opposed to the eccentric, but clever attributes shown by Gareth Evans.

Both records remain to this day the two most notable reminders of one of the most important eras ever.

Originally posted by Hubert Mickle > Originally posted by > Not really Hubert, in the last two weeks Evergreen by Will Longchin (Papidol - beware USA, from the nation that brought you millinaire :violence: its coming to a tv near you sooooooooooooon) has sold more copies than BM has sold in all its different forms > > Volume of sales don't mean didley squit> > This moan was brought to you in remembrance of M Gray

What I was getting at mate was that THE STONE ROSES sold a lot more copies than TECHNIQUE ultimately - cos it (TSR) hung round the charts for two years like a bad smell. And who's M Gray? Macy??

Hubert, RENI, the greatest drummer EVER produced by this country or just Ma*chester?

On their day....Reni & Mani, the GREATEST rhythym section EVER?

And finally, I Wanna Be Adored, the greatest LP opener, ever.

So the 25-30,000 of us at Spike island (enough for a sell out u.k. tour) were oblivious to them prior to the release of Fools Gold? Not wanting to antagonise you big fella, especially as I may be within striking range on Saturday but I think my version of events is a more accurate reflection of what actually happened than yours.:D

What I'm saying is, if you were there you could feel the potential. I saw the Mondays at Liverpool Uni in a crowd of about 2,000 and it was obvious they would soon be playing much bigger venues obviously I'm speaking with hindsight but I think, if like me you bought the N.M.E. every week it was obvious that both bands were about to explode. I recall reading the spread with the pictures of the Roses on Blackpool beach, a girl I'd just started seeing at the time went, as did about three other people I knew. In essence my point is, it was a steady build up of momentum and IMO they both had the goods to back up the hype in 'Bummed' and 'Stone Roses' two of my all time favourite albums.

Originally posted by Hank Wiseass© What I'm saying is, if you were there you could feel the potential. I saw the Mondays at Liverpool Uni in a crowd of about 2,000 and it was obvious they would soon be playing much bigger venues obviously I'm speaking with hindsight but I think, if like me you bought the N.M.E. every week it was obvious that both bands were about to explode. I recall reading the spread with the pictures of the Roses on Blackpool beach, a girl I'd just started seeing at the time went, as did about three other people I knew. In essence my point is, it was a steady build up of momentum and IMO they both had the goods to back up the hype in 'Bummed' and 'Stone Roses' two of my all time favourite albums.

Tidy call. For those of you @ The International II November 88 u too will have sensed that The Roses were destined for the big lads league. I remember picking up a copy of the NME with A.H.W. side by side with Shaun and thinking this is F****** brilliant. Brilliant Pop Music. Not hype. Pop music. Listen, if that record had of surfaced in any given period of time away from Madchester The Roses would have still sold out Spike Island. They were spiralling towards the F****** sky, Man.

Originally posted by Allen Jarvis In a nutshell, Mr S, yes. The majority of the 30k at SI would probably have been fairly ignorant to the Roses, pre-Madchester.How many made the Empress Ballroom and Ally Pally gigs? 3k in Blackpool, maybe 5k at AP? Certainly not much more than that. Fool's Gold pushed 'em onto a much much bigger stage. It's a fact. You saying they couldn't played SI in 89 and still have Sold Out? But they fancied Blackpool instead cos it was more intimate? It's like the Mondays. They could sell out the T&C, Free Trade Hall, etc, no problems at the end of '89. Had a bloody huge following. How the fcuk did they suddenly make that leap to G-Mex and Wembley gigs just three months later? It's not as if Hallelujah was even a passable single. Probably ranks as one of their most unlistenable, IMO. I couldn't believe they would entertain the idea of trying something as huge as the G-Mex and they then ended up doing 2 nights there in March 90.Both bands were hyped to death at the close of 89, and the start of 90. Such is life. All that Madchester bollocks. Was probably the beginning of the end for both of 'em, if truth be told.

Allen, Blackpool was literally their last chance to say a massive Ta to all of those who'd forced the issue right from the beginning (u know, fellow Goths). And what a F****** gig!!!

As for The Mondays? Well, you were there down the front @ ULU in February 89 weren't you? And you're gonna tell me that wasn't one of the most chaotic, brilliant, fucked up gigs you are ever likely to witness? So what do we do? Lets all go out and buy the brand new King Of The Slums long player? No! You & I my friend spread the Word. Go see The Happy Mondays, they are a F****** giggle. Go On!

Originally posted by Allen Jarvis I did indeed go to the Mondays at ULU. And shook Mr Tony Wilson's hand on a fire exit on the way out. But the audience there wasn't the same audience that would be watching them a year later and preaching all this 'baggy' and 'Madchester' shite.

Question. Did you go to the G-Mex in late 88...Order, ACR, Mondays?

Originally posted by Allen Jarvis Yes, I went. I think half this forum were there.

So the Mondays did enough that Saturday evening to warrant enough attention resulting in the proceeding gigs @ both Dingwalls & ULU to sell out? Then, 2 mad sold out gigs later everyone present suddenly gets all 'street'? The Mondays are no longer cool. So everyone who attended Dingwalls & ULU & The Astoria & Kilburn & The Hacienda & FTH gives the G-MEX party in March 90 (at the height of 'BAGGY'?) a naughty massive blank? Then, it's all curtain haircuts, Aztec draw tops, moody clown fake flares and even worse, spot the W***** walkin around with the maraccas and all the good guys kinda disappear like?...Just wondering, u know.

And Al, just one more thing. The Paris Angels...The Real Deal or just Fakers? Love ya!

Anyone go to Glasgow Green June '90...there last ever gig prior to the "Second Coming"...in a sweaty tent, excellent, a DJ set from Harri was about all we got by way of support despite rumours that it was gonna be The Charlatans who had played The Mayfair the night before. The best night I ever had as a spotty sixteen year old.

Another thing Mr Brown wrote the immortal line "Liverpool's were I belong in my Mersey paradise" gotta love em for that:D

Originally posted by Hank Wiseass© Another thing Mr Brown wrote the immortal line "Liverpool's were I belong in my Mersey paradise" gotta love em for that:D

Hank u r the Man, but I think you will find the second chrous of Mersey Paradise chants River Cool as opposed to LiverPool.

Anyway, R.E.S.P.C.T. for your thoughts on the almighty Roses.

"Manchester in the Area, we're International, we're Continental...hello....and South of Glasgow"

End of thread.

Let's do the time warp yeah !

can i stick my oar in now? the roses & the mondays started around the same time, both started off sounding a bit pants, the roses as goths as has been said previously (the nme had an ace picture of them from that period in a "when we were young" section once - it was hilarious) but both developed into something 1000 times better. both debuted on totp on the same show after a decade of existence (more or less) 1st came across the roses on the release of made of stone went to see them at the bristol bierkeller on the 89 tour & it was the biggest queue I have ever seen at the venue, the buzz was huge from the hype. this was around the time of she bangs the drums but before fools gold (my copy says what the worls is waiting for on the front, not fools gold, was a double A single but fg soon took over) they seemed to get progressively bigger after made of stone, each single selling more copies & getting more airplay. the gig was great, resurrection was good, the whole no encore thing miffed a bit but still.... then nothing from them for ages.

the mondays career kicked off around the same time again during the madchester era but they maintained it longer til they self destructed with the homophobic comments being one turning point, the collapse of factory & the bahamas recording sessions others.

dug albums out for both recently, both sound good to me still. wfl, 24hpp, tart tart, she bangs the drums, made of stone, fools gold - all classics. (but the mondays were never goths......)

What amazed me at Borders last week was that T Wilson is still completely sold on the idea that Ryder was a genius character, despite being the c... that brought it all crashing down. Having read the book, I'm convinced that Wilson is mad.

Originally posted by Hubert Mickle > Originally posted by Karen James> > > > Originally posted by Hubert Mickle> > > > > > > Originally posted by > > > Not really Hubert, in the last two weeks Evergreen by Will Longchin (Papidol - beware USA, from the nation that brought you millinaire :violence: its coming to a tv near you sooooooooooooon) has sold more copies than BM has sold in all its different forms > > > > > > Volume of sales don't mean didley squit> > > > > > This moan was brought to you in remembrance of M Gray > > >

What I was getting at mate was that THE STONE ROSES sold a lot more copies than TECHNIQUE ultimately - cos it (TSR) hung round the charts for two years like a bad smell. And who's M Gray? Macy??

Hubert, RENI, the greatest drummer EVER produced by this country or just Ma*chester?

No WAY is Reni the greatest drummer ever...the most overrated drummer more like! Actually, he's confessed that he's a better GUITARIST than drummer, which is why he's given up the sticks in his new band now, preferring to strum instead, haven't you heard?

But you have to remember that John Squire showed the way for all the best guitarists in the world, even before he was born, Ian Brown is vocal coach to Placido Domingo as well as doing his own barbers shop quartet on his own, and Cressa is the head honcho at the Royal Academy for Contempory Dance. It's all a load of fucking hype and bullshit, and I am utterly amazed that there are still people out there who still genuinely believe that the Stone Roses were any good.

Originally posted by Hubert Mickle If I were to pick between the two, then I'd have to say Happy Mondays (what's with everyone always putting the definitive article infront of their name? There is NO "The" in Happy Mondays - look at all their fooking sleeves....!! Do we say THE New Order? THE Joy Division? THE Primal Scream? THE Northside? Do we fook!!) over the Roses, seeing as I wasn't that enthralled with their first album, but Happy Mondays' first album was like nothing I'd ever heard - pure abrasive yob-funk that was like a kick in the teeth to all the prissy guitary indie bollox that was still going on then (Primal Scream brought out "Sonic Flower Groove" that very same year - 1987 - And what did THEY sound like? A bunch of piss poor Byrds copyists...!). Funny thing was, I was getting into all that hardcore (Black Flag, Fugazi, Husker Du) stuff around the same time as well, but Happy Mondays gave everything a scuzzy dirty groove that these other bands never had. That's what got me hooked on them. But then of course, soon as they broke big, they went all cover version potty on us and basically just copped out......"Step On"??? Twisting my melons - my arse!!As for the Roses, just exactly what is John Squire (the so called guitarist of his generation) getting up to right now since breaking up the awful Shitehorses? Does anybody still care?? Anybody? So how come no-one knows where he is then, or what he's doing?

J Squire, still spending his Geffen 3 million advance & caning all the smarties.

Originally posted by Allen Jarvis Fcuk me, Dave, can't we kill this thread? HOWEVER ... would defo not agree that the Mondays started off sounding pants. Defo ended up like it. But didn't start like it.

Bummed came out a full year before that TOTP appearance and was, IMO, their defining moment. Squirrel had a couple of classic trax on it too - Tart Tart & Kuff Dam - and then of course spawned a title track cos the album name got so popular (I believe there's a film due out soon using the same moniker?). And, of course, Freaky Dancin' was simply superb on its day. Produced by one B.Sumner of the Order. Frankly, they went down hill with Step On and beyond and I never really believed the hype of Pills & Thrills. They'd lost it by that point.

looks like we can't kill it off just yet then Allen... & yes, Bummed was a good album, & those tracks on squirerel g-men etc were top, but was thinking about the early appearances on antony h's central tv program. agree to differ with you on the nec appearance that we've discussed before, wasn't that familiar with bummed at the time which may have influenced it & couldnt get to the front either, was in the 1st row behind the railings which ruined the atmos for me.

Originally posted by ShugZV Stone Roses = pure class between So Young and One LoveWith all the shite that happened with the court case et al, it destroyed them! the favourite argument for me is "What if?" They coulda been fuckin mega But IMHO they threw it all away - coulda been head up arses routine - or maybe some other underlying facts - not sure meself!Spike Island was a great idea - but when yer stuck a mile away from the fookin stage - it was a bit of a bast!Favourite song has always been Elephant Stone 12" ( and yes Hooky produced it;) ) but all their singles and b-sides were fookin great (except for the annoying songs like simone and guernica which are the songs reversed )I'll always hold the Roses close to me heart......but What If?

Hooky didn't produce the 12". John Leckie did.

Originally posted by Hubert Mickle > Originally posted by Karen James> > > > Originally posted by Hubert Mickle> > > > > > > Originally posted by > > > Not really Hubert, in the last two weeks Evergreen by Will Longchin (Papidol - beware USA, from the nation that brought you millinaire :violence: its coming to a tv near you sooooooooooooon) has sold more copies than BM has sold in all its different forms > > > > > > Volume of sales don't mean didley squit> > > > > > This moan was brought to you in remembrance of M Gray > > >

What I was getting at mate was that THE STONE ROSES sold a lot more copies than TECHNIQUE ultimately - cos it (TSR) hung round the charts for two years like a bad smell. And who's M Gray? Macy??

Hubert, RENI, the greatest drummer EVER produced by this country or just Ma*chester?

No WAY is Reni the greatest drummer ever...the most overrated drummer more like! Actually, he's confessed that he's a better GUITARIST than drummer, which is why he's given up the sticks in his new band now, preferring to strum instead, haven't you heard?

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT SORT YOUR FUCKIN HEAD OUT MAN....YOU TELLIN ME RENI COULDN'T PLAY? HE COULD PLAY THE FUCKIN THINGS IN HIS SLEEP. COS STEVIE M IS HARDLY KEITH MOON IS HE? & THE RUB? NA NA NA NA. RENI, OVERRATED? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. RIDE ON.

Originally posted by Zizou Zidane > Originally posted by Hubert Mickle> > > > Originally posted by Karen James> > > > > > > Originally posted by Hubert Mickle> > > > > > > > > > Originally posted by > > > > Not really Hubert, in the last two weeks Evergreen by Will Longchin (Papidol - beware USA, from the nation that brought you millinaire :violence: its coming to a tv near you sooooooooooooon) has sold more copies than BM has sold in all its different forms > > > > > > > > Volume of sales don't mean didley squit> > > > > > > > This moan was brought to you in remembrance of M Gray > > > > > >

What I was getting at mate was that THE STONE ROSES sold a lot more copies than TECHNIQUE ultimately - cos it (TSR) hung round the charts for two years like a bad smell. And who's M Gray? Macy??

Hubert, RENI, the greatest drummer EVER produced by this country or just Ma*chester?

No WAY is Reni the greatest drummer ever...the most overrated drummer more like! Actually, he's confessed that he's a better GUITARIST than drummer, which is why he's given up the sticks in his new band now, preferring to strum instead, haven't you heard?

But you have to remember that John Squire showed the way for all the best guitarists in the world, even before he was born, Ian Brown is vocal coach to Placido Domingo as well as doing his own barbers shop quartet on his own, and Cressa is the head honcho at the Royal Academy for Contempory Dance. It's all a load of fucking hype and bullshit, and I am utterly amazed that there are still people out there who still genuinely believe that the Stone Roses were any good.

LISTEN PAL, THE ROSES ARE FUCKIN TOP SO YOU CARRY ON BEING AMAZED PAL

END IT HERE. HOW LONG THIS BEEN RUNNING? THE STONE ROSES WERE IMPORTANT THEN, ARE IMPORTANT NOW. MANI'S RIGHT MAN, FINISH IT PROPER. THEY'D BE A MATCH FOR ANY FUCKER, EVEN YOU NOEL G. RIDE ON.

Originally posted by James Walsh END IT HERE. HOW LONG THIS BEEN RUNNING? THE STONE ROSES WERE IMPORTANT THEN, ARE IMPORTANT NOW. MANI'S RIGHT MAN, FINISH IT PROPER. THEY'D BE A MATCH FOR ANY FUCKER, EVEN YOU NOEL G. RIDE ON.

You've a point with what Mani has said in the past. I think the end began with how John Squire stalled on the 2nd record. I'd love them to come back though.

Originally posted by Karen James > Originally posted by James Walsh> END IT HERE. HOW LONG THIS BEEN RUNNING? THE STONE ROSES WERE IMPORTANT THEN, ARE IMPORTANT NOW. MANI'S RIGHT MAN, FINISH IT PROPER. THEY'D BE A MATCH FOR ANY FUCKER, EVEN YOU NOEL G. RIDE ON.

You've a point with what Mani has said in the past. I think the end began with how John Squire stalled on the 2nd record. I'd love them to come back though.

AND HOW OLD ARE YOU DARLING?

Originally posted by James Walsh > Originally posted by Karen James> > > > Originally posted by James Walsh> > END IT HERE. HOW LONG THIS BEEN RUNNING? THE STONE ROSES WERE IMPORTANT THEN, ARE IMPORTANT NOW. MANI'S RIGHT MAN, FINISH IT PROPER. THEY'D BE A MATCH FOR ANY FUCKER, EVEN YOU NOEL G. RIDE ON. >

You've a point with what Mani has said in the past. I think the end began with how John Squire stalled on the 2nd record. I'd love them to come back though.

AND HOW OLD ARE YOU DARLING?

What?

Originally posted by Karen James > Originally posted by James Walsh> > > > Originally posted by Karen James> > > > > > > Originally posted by James Walsh> > > END IT HERE. HOW LONG THIS BEEN RUNNING? THE STONE ROSES WERE IMPORTANT THEN, ARE IMPORTANT NOW. MANI'S RIGHT MAN, FINISH IT PROPER. THEY'D BE A MATCH FOR ANY FUCKER, EVEN YOU NOEL G. RIDE ON. > > >

You've a point with what Mani has said in the past. I think the end began with how John Squire stalled on the 2nd record. I'd love them to come back though.

AND HOW OLD ARE YOU DARLING?

What?

MANCHESTER LA LA LA MANCHESTER LA LA LA

I HEAR YOU ARE NOT REAL? WANNA PROVE THEM ALL WRONG LOVE

Originally posted by James Walsh > Originally posted by Karen James> > > > Originally posted by James Walsh> > > > > > > Originally posted by Karen James> > > > > > > > > > Originally posted by James Walsh> > > > END IT HERE. HOW LONG THIS BEEN RUNNING? THE STONE ROSES WERE IMPORTANT THEN, ARE IMPORTANT NOW. MANI'S RIGHT MAN, FINISH IT PROPER. THEY'D BE A MATCH FOR ANY FUCKER, EVEN YOU NOEL G. RIDE ON. > > > > > >

You've a point with what Mani has said in the past. I think the end began with how John Squire stalled on the 2nd record. I'd love them to come back though.

AND HOW OLD ARE YOU DARLING?

What?

MANCHESTER LA LA LA MANCHESTER LA LA LA

I HEAR YOU ARE NOT REAL? WANNA PROVE THEM ALL WRONG LOVE

Fuck Off. You dirty fucking lame excuse of a human being. DICK.

THE STONE ROSES were SHIT!! end of story

Originally posted by joe public THE STONE ROSES were SHIT!!end of story

JOE FUCKING PUBIC MORE LIKE IT. SORT YOUR FUCKING HEAD OUT MAN. MANCHESTER LA LA LA MANCHESTER LA LA LA

Originally posted by Hubert Mickle [Content deleted by Hubert Mickle on 3/20/02 1:35:47 PM EST]

He's a prized D*** who has just sent me the most vile e-mail. If I catch up with him I'll deck the C***.

SENT TO ME FRMO HEAVEN, SALLY CINNAMON YOU ARE MY WORLD LA LA

SENT TO ME FRMO HEAVEN, SALLY CINNAMON YOU ARE MY WORLD LA LA

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Originally posted by James Walsh > Originally posted by joe public> THE STONE ROSES were SHIT!!> end of story

JOE FUCKING PUBIC MORE LIKE IT. SORT YOUR FUCKING HEAD OUT MAN. MANCHESTER LA LA LA MANCHESTER LA LA LA o.k james so i dont like the stone roses.. why the need to get personal?

I remember 1989 when the effect of New Order's Technique was waring off and I was desperate to listen something decent as all that aceeed shit was pretty shallow. I got a hold of The Stone Roses first LP and it put my faith back into music. I remember listening to the intrsumental section on "I Am The Resurrection" and thinking these guys are good! Also, who cannot like the melodies in Sally Cinnamon and All Across The Sands.

Originally posted by Allen Jarvis As he said in London last night: he remembered them when they were a dodgy Goth band in 1983. No one likes dodgy Goths ;)But never, never trust a Man who likes Linkin Park!

But then again ahw got it spot on with his recent description of the vile Travis + Stereophonics.

DELETE THIS THREAD IT MUCH TOO POPULAR!:finger:

Originally posted by Karen James Blackpool Empress Ballroom Saturday August 12, 1989. A beautiful day for a beautiful band. Anyone have a story to tell about the day?

I was there! It was more about the day than the actual gig. It was simply getting away from the bump and grind of Manchester just for the day. The Roses were ok. I've seen them play and sound better (Glasgow Green May 90). Manchester in the Area??? Regionalism has never been cool, though I'm certain Ian was merely getting carried away with it all. This, after all was their first real big gig.

Is this the most viewed thread on the whole of this message board forum? I think it must be - THREE THOUSAND VIEWS AND COUNTING!!!! Jee-zus Koo-ryste!!

And what a pretty fooking anodyne choice of subject matter as well eh?

For god's sake everyone, STOP WAFFLING ON ABOUT THE STONE BLOODY ROSES!!! THEY ARE HISTORY!!

GET OVER IT!!!

[he says, in so doing only increasing the view/post count further....!]

Exactly right, Mr. Gray. This whole thread reminds me of a quote that Grant Hart of Husker Du had when they were given a bunch of grief for being labeled as strictly a hardcore punk band despite their later work. "People call us hardcore, but they don't call us fifth graders, and that's something we once were". Matter Aug.84. I always like to do the Du, so to speak, just for the benefit of ZZ. BTW, this is my second and last post in this infernal thread.

Originally posted by Karen James > Originally posted by Zizou Zidane> > > > Originally posted by Karen James> > Blackpool Empress Ballroom Saturday August 12, 1989. A beautiful day for a beautiful band. Anyone have a story to tell about the day?>

Yeah. Scored 50 and took 5-26 for Worcester vs Old Hill in the Birmingham League. Followed it up the next day with a ton.

Two blistering performances in One day then. Ignore the fakers ZZ. Bring it all down...

Any news on The Rub, Karen?

Hmm... Stone Roses,

Yawn..

I had a 12" see thru copy of Fools Gold which got used as a frisbee one summer (flew pretty well as it goes!) :)

such an overrated outfit, do you not think? where exactly are they today? mr brown still can't sing for toffee. very bland. very bland.

Originally posted by Oh Look! There Goes The Laughing Martian Again!! Is this the most viewed thread on the whole of this message board forum? I think it must be - THREE THOUSAND VIEWS AND COUNTING!!!! Jee-zus Koo-ryste!!And what a pretty fooking anodyne choice of subject matter as well eh? For god's sake everyone, STOP WAFFLING ON ABOUT THE STONE BLOODY ROSES!!! THEY ARE HISTORY!!GET OVER IT!!!

[he says, in so doing only increasing the view/post count further....!]

here! here!

Originally posted by Allen Jarvis As he said in London last night: he remembered them when they were a dodgy Goth band in 1983. No one likes dodgy Goths ;)

nowt wrong with being a Goth, pal! I was one once, remember?

Originally posted by Allen Jarvis Did go to Spike Island, mind. Total let down generally. The band were okay, but they preceded them with loads of DJ's. Not dance tents or anything, just music banging out from the stage all day. Pointless, and pretty boring. Didn't do their homework at all. Same size as Reading, but with no real focal point.Here! Here!

Originally posted by Hubert Mickle > Originally posted by James Walsh> > > WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT SORT YOUR FUCKIN HEAD OUT MAN....YOU TELLIN ME RENI COULDN'T PLAY? HE COULD PLAY THE FUCKIN THINGS IN HIS SLEEP. COS STEVIE M IS HARDLY KEITH MOON IS HE? & THE RUB? NA NA NA NA. RENI, OVERRATED? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. RIDE ON.

Keith Moon? Now there's another overrated drummer. The Who? Another overrated group. What Ker-rapp!!

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i like husker du. especially metal circus. i also like derailing conversations when they become boring.

Originally posted by James Walsh > Originally posted by joe public> THE STONE ROSES were SHIT!!> end of story

JOE FUCKING PUBIC MORE LIKE IT. SORT YOUR FUCKING HEAD OUT MAN. MANCHESTER LA LA LA MANCHESTER LA LA LA

its ok, i'm only showing an example of my behaviour to my AA sponsor.

Originally posted by James Walsh SENT TO ME FRMO HEAVEN, SALLY CINNAMON YOU ARE MY WORLD LA LA

ditto

Originally posted by James Walsh > Originally posted by James Walsh> > > > Originally posted by joe public> > THE STONE ROSES were SHIT!!> > end of story>

JOE FUCKING PUBIC MORE LIKE IT. SORT YOUR FUCKING HEAD OUT MAN. MANCHESTER LA LA LA MANCHESTER LA LA LA

its ok, i'm only showing an example of my behaviour to my AA sponsor.

WOT!!! IS THIS A WIND UP?????

For all those intrested there is a rather in-depth interview and feature with our favourite other band from madchester in this months mojo (don't worry Marty, i read it in the local Tesco's), it also includes a piccy in all there dodgy goth glory :D

Crap, I just download two Stone Roses gigs from the bootleg site. Kinda scared to paly them now. Glasgow 1990 and Stockholm 1985.

The Stone Roses make sick :barf: absolute rubbish :moon:

Stone Roses were still absolutely hopeless live. Ian Brown cannot sing - he should have been in the Spice Girls with his voice.

Originally posted by KnownPleasures Stone Roses were still absolutely hopeless live. Ian Brown cannot sing - he should have been in the Spice Girls with his voice.

What about the rest of your scathing opinions? Mellowed towards them at all? It's weird to see your comments and think about how you're attatched to something you said, what seems so long ago.

Originally posted by Hank Wiseass© > Originally posted by KnownPleasures Stone Roses were still absolutely hopeless live. Ian Brown cannot sing - he should have been in the Spice Girls with his voice.

What about the rest of your scathing opinions? Mellowed towards them at all? It's weird to see your comments and think about how you're attatched to something you said, what seems so long ago.

Haven't bothered going back through the thread to be honest - may do now out of curiosity.

Originally posted by KnownPleasures It's not often I agree with Wilson (he's dropped the Tony bit it seems !), but I'd even take it a stage further. The Stone Roses were a pile of overhyped steaming dogshit that should never have been allowed into a studio or on stage. Bandwaggon-following in the right place at the right time was all they had going for them. Rant over.

No, I still agree with this one !

Originally posted by KnownPleasures As I said, steaming pile of dogshit.

And this one....

Originally posted by KnownPleasures Don't believe the hype ! Three or four good tracks on the first album, one on the second album. Fools Gold was overhyped. Big music press overkill/arsekiss, very poor live. I cannot ever believe that this lot were apparently voted as one of the most influential bands of all time. Mind you, all that Madchester was a load of bollocks as well, but maybe I just don't go for the "hey, drugs are cool" culture.

And this one. Hey, this is fun ! I could do another Mike and get 1000 extra posts replying to myself !

Originally posted by KnownPleasures

But you have to remember that John Squire showed the way for all the best guitarists in the world, even before he was born, Ian Brown is vocal coach to Placido Domingo as well as doing his own barbers shop quartet on his own, and Cressa is the head honcho at the Royal Academy for Contempory Dance. It's all a load of fucking hype and bullshit, and I am utterly amazed that there are still people out there who still genuinely believe that the Stone Roses were any good.

This one was almost quite good !

Originally posted by Al Jarvis Karen James though, what a girl!

Hmmmm yes. Wonder if anyone will revisit this oldie and see if they recognise themselves in a previous incarnation ?

Spotnick, you are having too much fun.

Originally posted by Spotnick We don't know anyone with a multiple personalities problem here, do we?

no.