'Best debut album of all time' according to Uncut Magazine.

Is it Arctic Monkeys?

Christopher Owens wrote: Is it Arctic Monkeys?

No, thank god. Probably because this poll is from Uncut. If NME had done this poll, then Arctic Monkeys probably would have been number 1.

And why? They fucking suck.

Wonder if 'Fresh Fruit For Rotting Vegetables' is in the list?

gang of four - entertainment

Just another crap poll by self-important music "experts"

Unknown Pleasures or Mogwai's Young Team, for me...

SHEDi xxx

Why the bloody hell are the Arctic Monkeys even in this list? Well, at least they didn't get the number one spot... Stupid teenyboppers...or should I say pre-teenyboppers?

The Stone Roses

Tokoloshe Man wrote: The Stone Roses

Seconded

No bloody way.

Great album TSR may be but to call it the best debut ever is foolish.

But then most journalists are foolish aren't they?

Love The VU and Nico, but don't know that I'd say it's the best debut album ever. My vote would go to something more like B&S's "Tigermilk", JD's Unknown Pleasures, or the first album (albeit the only one with the original line-up) from the Modern Lovers.

i adore the velvet underground but prefer them without nico. I would go with television.

jonathan wrote: i adore the velvet underground but prefer them without nico. I would go with television.

I know the first time I heard the album, I'd gotten it after buying White Light/White Heat, so I wondered who this German woman was who was ruining some decent songs

But dammit, "I'll Be Your Mirror" is one of my favorite tracks on the album, and it's hard to imagine anyone else singing that.

So she brought something to the table for that first album, but very wisely left the band to do their own thing afterwards (Mo Tucker was more than capable on the songs that called for female vocalists in the later years)

"Nevermind the Bollocks...." Sex Pistols

I'd have to say "Gish" by Smashing Pumpkins.

"Electronic" by Electronic was a good debut album. PS: Blue eyed boy, that is a wonderful picture of Alan Wilder you have there!

leather_girl wrote: "Electronic" by Electronic was a good debut album. PS: Blue eyed boy, that is a wonderful picture of Alan Wilder you have there!

Yes, it is a rather gorgeous picture of him. But Alan looks good in all photographs.

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Col wrote: beer & chips & sex & gravy

is that a vote for the macc lads or your shopping list col?

the lost riots - hots sigur ros' first (not going to try to spell it)

arctic monkeys far too soon to say & surely more of a fashion vote than anything

hibster wrote: sigur ros' first (not going to try to spell it)

Assume you mean 'ágætis byrjun' and not 'von'... That's pretty ace, too... Ditto for Television...

SHEDi xxx

"Grace" by Jeff Buckley

Gnome-some Tonight wrote:

hibster wrote: sigur ros' first (not going to try to spell it)

Assume you mean 'ágætis byrjun' and not 'von'... That's pretty ace, too... Ditto for Television...

SHEDi xxx

good point - forgot von - but that was iceland only originally wasn't it?

hibster wrote:

Gnome-some Tonight wrote:

hibster wrote: sigur ros' first (not going to try to spell it)

Assume you mean 'ágætis byrjun' and not 'von'... That's pretty ace, too... Ditto for Television...

SHEDi xxx

good point - forgot von - but that was iceland only originally wasn't it?

Originally, although I believe you can get it over here now... For the purposes of this thread, let's got with 'ágætis byrjun' as the first In my top three then with Mogwai - Young Team and JD - UP...

SHEDi xxx

aye, it is more readily available over here now

good call on the mogwai - though was v disappointed when i saw them live this year.

Saw them several times in Oxford around the time of Young Team/CODY and they were ace, but mates who've seen them more recently haven't been so impressed... In addition to the best debuts, all three of the albums I listed have barnstorming opening tracks, maybe that's some of the attraction... Disorder, Yes I Am A Long Way From Home, Svefn-G-Englar (ok, I ignored the intro track!)...

SHEDi xxx

Talking Heads `77

They can also go top of the Underated artists poll.

scream - siouxsie and the banshees !!!

It say's it narrowly beat out Television's Marquee Moon.
I bought the Television album sometime back, because it is on all these "best albums ever!" lists. Never really thought that much of it. Is there something I'm missing?

JHC

Yes!

As usual.

[orange]steve[/orange][black]one[/black] wrote: Talking Heads `77

They can also go top of the Underated artists poll.

A very good album (and a very underrated one at that)

I have the American version of the Clash's debut, not the original British release, so I was hesitant to add it to the list for that reason. But going by the American version, you have to stick it on there (White Riot, Bored with the USA, Police and Thieves... )

68Pontiac wrote: It say's it narrowly beat out Television's Marquee Moon.
I bought the Television album sometime back, because it is on all these "best albums ever!" lists. Never really thought that much of it. Is there something I'm missing?

JHC

The song ,marquee moon, is in my top 5. Each song is stunning.

hibster wrote:

good call on the mogwai - though was v disappointed when i saw them live this year.

Please explain. Even a bad Mogwai gig is stellar by any other bands' standards.

Burt Reynolds wrote: Yes!

As usual.

Fuck off.

jonathan wrote:

68Pontiac wrote: It say's it narrowly beat out Television's Marquee Moon.
I bought the Television album sometime back, because it is on all these "best albums ever!" lists. Never really thought that much of it. Is there something I'm missing?

JHC

The song ,marquee moon, is in my top 5. Each song is stunning.

It's been awhile since I last listened to it. I'll give it another go, especially the title track that you mentioned. Sometimes I have to be in the right mood to understand an album, might be the case with Television. . .anything in particular that is so facinating about it? For instance, NO-the bass guitar and Bernard's innocent lyrics; The Clash-the beats and clever lyrics; etc.

JHC

dave soligo wrote:

hibster wrote:

good call on the mogwai - though was v disappointed when i saw them live this year.

Please explain. Even a bad Mogwai gig is stellar by any other bands' standards.

i found it genuinly dull was expecting to be blown away, love the albums, but they just didn't do it for me.

dinosaur jr later in the year were as bad but saved it with just like heaven & freakscene

68Pontiac wrote: It say's it narrowly beat out Television's Marquee Moon.
I bought the Television album sometime back, because it is on all these "best albums ever!" lists. Never really thought that much of it. Is there something I'm missing?

JHC

Depends what sort of angle you come at it from, I suppose... I bought the album because of plenty of mentions of Television in connection with the criminally-underrated Felt, who I used to absolutely adore and still do - hearing the guitar work and ambitious structures on say Marquee Moon made complete sense to me having done the same a few years earlier at a lot of Felt's work... Don't play the album too much any more, and if I do it's ussually just for MM... Suppose for it's time it was a pretty important album and as an influence on other bands can still be pretty essential, but coming at it 30-odd years later just out of interest I can see why some may be underwhelmed...

SHEDi xxx

[orange]steve[/orange][black]one[/black] wrote: Talking Heads `77

They can also go top of the Underated artists poll.

Where are the Talking Heads underated?

SHEDimon wrote:

68Pontiac wrote: It say's it narrowly beat out Television's Marquee Moon.
I bought the Television album sometime back, because it is on all these "best albums ever!" lists. Never really thought that much of it. Is there something I'm missing?

JHC

Depends what sort of angle you come at it from, I suppose... I bought the album because of plenty of mentions of Television in connection with the criminally-underrated Felt, who I used to absolutely adore and still do - hearing the guitar work and ambitious structures on say Marquee Moon made complete sense to me having done the same a few years earlier at a lot of Felt's work... Don't play the album too much any more, and if I do it's ussually just for MM... Suppose for it's time it was a pretty important album and as an influence on other bands can still be pretty essential, but coming at it 30-odd years later just out of interest I can see why some may be underwhelmed...

SHEDi xxx

How exactly did they influence other bands? Would like to know so I can appreciate the music better. Thanks for the write.

JHC

68Pontiac wrote:

How exactly did they influence other bands? Would like to know so I can appreciate the music better. Thanks for the write.

JHC

Well, I meant that a few bands who I like have cited them as an influence, so it's interesting to see how that might manifest itself in their music - and by extension bands influenced by bands influenced by Television - e.g Belle & Sebastian, The Clientele - you can try to hear little bits of all this modern stuff in something nearly 30 years-old and trace these ideas through differents bands work... A lot of B&S tracks are clearly influenced by Felt, and a lot of Felt stuff is clearly influenced by Television... With those reference points it makes the whole exercise more interesting and exciting... Try listening to If You're Feeling Sinister by B&S, followed by The Strange Idols Pattern And Other Short Stories by Felt, and then finally the Television album...

SHEDi xxx

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SHEDimon wrote:

68Pontiac wrote:

How exactly did they influence other bands? Would like to know so I can appreciate the music better. Thanks for the write.

JHC

Well, I meant that a few bands who I like have cited them as an influence, so it's interesting to see how that might manifest itself in their music - and by extension bands influenced by bands influenced by Television - e.g Belle & Sebastian, The Clientele - you can try to hear little bits of all this modern stuff in something nearly 30 years-old and trace these ideas through differents bands work... A lot of B&S tracks are clearly influenced by Felt, and a lot of Felt stuff is clearly influenced by Television... With those reference points it makes the whole exercise more interesting and exciting... Try listening to If You're Feeling Sinister by B&S, followed by The Strange Idols Pattern And Other Short Stories by Felt, and then finally the Television album...

SHEDi xxx

Thanks! I'll do that!

JHC