is anyone going to see that world trade center film?

i doubt i will. because:

a) it looks rather sappy (even given the subject matter) and,

b) oliver stone is really getting on my tits.

nah. how can you put that story to film. soppy, i hope it doesn't involve some crappy love story ala titanic.

I doubt I will, have been in a funk lately have have not beeing going to the movies like I use too.

Psy

AgentWood wrote: i doubt i will. because:

a) it looks rather sappy (even given the subject matter) and,

b) oliver stone is really getting on my tits.

I think I'd rather get a root canal. Doubt I'll see it.

It's funny: in the States, Oliver Stone movies usually cause a furore of one sort or another (personal fave: "JFK" being described by one critic as "the cinematic equivalent of rape"); over here most people just think they're pretty silly. Not to mention wildly homoerotic.

Hmm i'm not too sure about this one, not really my cuppa tea, and everyone i know who has seen the poster are a bit like 'ermmm oh dear'

Perhaps if it is a more sensitive film, like Flight 93, it won't be so bad. But it might be a bit cringeworthy

Maybe if I get really stoned first.

I'll pass.

I've never noticed any homoerotic overtones in Oliver Stone's work. That's interesting. I'd go look for examples, but that means I'd have to watch those movies again and I really don't consider any of his movies worth a second viewing.

Dont know. Will probably wait for the dvd,i watched Flight 93 and the thing still 5 years on does get to me,i dont know if it upsets,angers me or both. There is a lot of unsettling stuff on YouTube that i think people would be better watching about that day.

I live in Japan, and I don't think it's out here in Japan yet, but it looks like a piece of political propaganda.

I'm amazed at the amount of people who are dismissing it simply because it has Oliver Stone in the director's chair. Whether you agree with his more provacative arguements or not (and I really don't buy the conspiracy theories in JFK), the guy makes interesting films every now and then. From all the advertising I've seen, I doubt he'll show any shots of Dubya and Cheney lighting up some doobies with Osama as the towers collapse (which I imagine is what a lot of conservatives would like to think he'll do).

With that said, I don't know if I'll see it or not. Just depends, really

But this movie will definitely be one of those situations where a lot of pundits on the right shoot the messanger down without even seeing what he has to say, and that's not what freedom of speech is about. That's not what our ancestors fought and bled and died for, to have some jackoff who hasn't got a real opinion of his own that wasn't implanted in him by the GOP taking a shit on a genuinely creative and challenging individual just because he doesn't like his politics.

i wont see any of these 9-11 Movies. the bottom line is no matter how tasteful, well written directed or whatever, they are cashing in the deaths of a few thousands innocent people.

Smarra[gold]dona wrote: i wont see any of these 9-11 Movies. the bottom line is no matter how tasteful, well written directed or whatever, they are cashing in the deaths of a few thousands innocent people.

You could make the same arguement about Schindler's List, The Killing Fields, Saving Private Ryan, Das Boot, Apocalypse Now....

Probably not. I think it's more interesting to see some of the 9-11 documentaries instead.

Apparently, United 93 was very good but I'm not so sure about this one. I don't think it will be controversial though. Oliver Stone really needs a hit after Alexander flopped so badly. And I hate to say it, but if it's a sappy true story of heroism, America will probably eat it up.

nahhh.

don't go the pictures a great deal. get bored sitting down for that long, looking straight ahead and not talking. fuck that. worse than the Barbers.

did go to FACT to see Kong King though. nice seats & a bar to get ale. Ale cup thingy sat nicely in the arm of the chair too. So, I was up and down like a yo-yo. missed Kongs capture, his stampede thru NYC and where it says "The End". Good film though.

no. I won't see it. I can't put those feelings into that particular context and think it would just be useless to even attempt. Also, I haven't seen a movie in a theater since2001. Can't do it and not even remotely interested.

No, i saw a clip on the telly this morning and it's been done 'all Hollywood'

Missy Jem wrote: No, i saw a clip on the telly this morning and it's been done 'all Hollywood'

You think maybe that's cos it was Hollywood wot dun it, Jem!!??

And as for the person above who hasn't been to the flicks since 2001, I can only assume it's cos you've got IBS or summat. My sympathies.

leather_girl wrote: I live in Japan, and I don't think it's out here in Japan yet, but it looks like a piece of political propaganda.

agree. with all that things happening between israel and lebanon it looks so strange the period of the movie's release. i prefer to wait for CLERKS II - come on Silent Bob

I'm not going to watch it. I'm fed up with the pictures of this sad event. Why has Hollywood to make a movie out of every tragedy? Let the dead rest in peace. I think we saw almost enough real-life-horror pictures of this "attack".

And btw. I can say nothing against Oliver Stone...

I will not see it. I agree with all of the comments of the other people who said they won't see it.

Taboo # 7 wrote:

Smarra[gold]dona wrote: i wont see any of these 9-11 Movies. the bottom line is no matter how tasteful, well written directed or whatever, they are cashing in the deaths of a few thousands innocent people.

You could make the same arguement about Schindler's List, The Killing Fields, Saving Private Ryan, Das Boot, Apocalypse Now....

im sure there were/are people who have refused to see those films.

hey go have fun and watch it , im not making a public protest or anything, but its not for me, i guess i was too close to it.

[brown]Ally[/brown] wrote: I can't believe nobody's said they won't be going to see it cos they know what happens in the end

what's that? no. don't give it away....

the one oliver stone film i love is platoon. it's the antithesis of the john wayne 'america, fuck yeah!' films, and from those i know who fought in vietnam, painfully accurate, as well.

Taboo # 7 wrote:

Smarra[gold]dona wrote: i wont see any of these 9-11 Movies. the bottom line is no matter how tasteful, well written directed or whatever, they are cashing in the deaths of a few thousands innocent people.

You could make the same arguement about Schindler's List, The Killing Fields, Saving Private Ryan, Das Boot, Apocalypse Now....

True, but none of those movies were so soon after the fact(though The Deerhunter probably was), and they were all "war" movies. War is hell, going to work in an office building in NYC shouldn't be. Not that innocents didn't die in any of those movies, but you get my point, I think. I guess Platoon and Natural Born Killers (mainly Platoon) are the only Stone films I really like, but it's not like he has a bad enough track record with me that I wouldn't see a movie simply because it's an Oliver Stone film.

Don't really see the point of it.

AgentWood wrote:

[brown]Ally[/brown] wrote: I can't believe nobody's said they won't be going to see it cos they know what happens in the end

what's that? no. don't give it away....

the one oliver stone film i love is platoon. it's the antithesis of the john wayne 'america, fuck yeah!' films, and from those i know who fought in vietnam, painfully accurate, as well.

What, even with all that "the war we really fought was inside ourselves" tripe?? Talk about STILL not being able to deal with the fact that a bunch of poorly equipped communists thrashed the U.S. military senseless....

Shellshocker wrote:

Taboo # 7 wrote:

Smarra[gold]dona wrote: i wont see any of these 9-11 Movies. the bottom line is no matter how tasteful, well written directed or whatever, they are cashing in the deaths of a few thousands innocent people.

You could make the same arguement about Schindler's List, The Killing Fields, Saving Private Ryan, Das Boot, Apocalypse Now....

True, but none of those movies were so soon after the fact

Exactly. That's why I don't think any of these 9-11 movies should've been made (and also why I won't be going to see them); it's far too soon.

Smarra[gold]dona wrote:

Taboo # 7 wrote:

Smarra[gold]dona wrote: i wont see any of these 9-11 Movies. the bottom line is no matter how tasteful, well written directed or whatever, they are cashing in the deaths of a few thousands innocent people.

You could make the same arguement about Schindler's List, The Killing Fields, Saving Private Ryan, Das Boot, Apocalypse Now....

im sure there were/are people who have refused to see those films.

hey go have fun and watch it , im not making a public protest or anything, but its not for me, i guess i was too close to it.

Didn't actually care for Schindler's list, nor saving private ryan. In fact I can't bear any of Speilberg's "serious" films, they all seem a bit cack-handed, inappropriately crowd-pleasing and sentimental. Come to think of it I've never liked any of Oliver Stone's efforts much either. In fact I reckon serious issue movies almost never work. Film makers should probably stick to what they do best - mindless spectacle and rollicking entertainment. With pirates.

404 error wrote:

Didn't actually care for Schindler's list, nor saving private ryan. In fact I can't bear any of Speilberg's "serious" films, they all seem a bit cack-handed, inappropriately crowd-pleasing and sentimental. Come to think of it I've never liked any of Oliver Stone's efforts much either. In fact I reckon serious issue movies almost never work. Film makers should probably stick to what they do best - mindless spectacle and rollicking entertainment. With pirates.

My my, so cynical. :) I reckon I should see Schindler's List some day, if only because it's the most highly regarded movie which I've never seen. Generally, my reason for going to a movie is to be entertained, rather than lectured. If a movie can do both without being too preachy, though, I have no objection.

I thought Salvador was a good film, just checked and that's the last film of Stone's that I saw. Probably won't watch the WTC until it gets to cable. Plus, that Kevin Cosgrove call to 911 was more than enough to give me a glimpse of what some of those unfortunate people went through.

404 error wrote:

Smarra[gold]dona wrote:

Taboo # 7 wrote:

Smarra[gold]dona wrote: i wont see any of these 9-11 Movies. the bottom line is no matter how tasteful, well written directed or whatever, they are cashing in the deaths of a few thousands innocent people.

You could make the same arguement about Schindler's List, The Killing Fields, Saving Private Ryan, Das Boot, Apocalypse Now....

im sure there were/are people who have refused to see those films.

hey go have fun and watch it , im not making a public protest or anything, but its not for me, i guess i was too close to it.

Didn't actually care for Schindler's list, nor saving private ryan. In fact I can't bear any of Speilberg's "serious" films, they all seem a bit cack-handed, inappropriately crowd-pleasing and sentimental. Come to think of it I've never liked any of Oliver Stone's efforts much either. In fact I reckon serious issue movies almost never work. Film makers should probably stick to what they do best - mindless spectacle and rollicking entertainment. With pirates.

Completely agree with you, but I do have to say "Band of Brothers"(Produced by Spielberg), though it is a series, is the best film on war than any other movie out there. All the other movies are so Hollywoodized. Platoon is ok, has many good points, but it's filmed by a guy that wasn't there, and that is so apparent in the movie. "Band of Brothers", if you haven't seen it. . .it is a must see. Has a lot of actual stuff used in the military and done correctly. . .like squad rushes (usually messed up in Hollywood) 6-paragraph orders, all sorts of good stuff. And no stupid sappy story interwoven in it.

I actually make my NCOs watch it as a leadership tool. Good and bad examples of leadership.

JHC

Seeing as the profits aren't going to the emergency workers now dying of asbestosis and seeing as Bush has declared war on all Muslims as a result and seeing as it looks like Bush could have prevented 9/11 from ever happening in the 1st place I think my answer is NO!

404 error wrote: Didn't actually care for Schindler's list, nor saving private ryan. In fact I can't bear any of Speilberg's "serious" films, they all seem a bit cack-handed, inappropriately crowd-pleasing and sentimental. Come to think of it I've never liked any of Oliver Stone's efforts much either. In fact I reckon serious issue movies almost never work. Film makers should probably stick to what they do best - mindless spectacle and rollicking entertainment. With pirates.

i liked schindler's list until i took a class at columbia university film school on the holocaust and film. we deconstructed the film to the point where i couldn't enjoy it nearly as much (for example: the scene in the factory where schindler reminds the jews that it's shabbat. what jew forgets it's shabbat?). and spielberg paints schindler as a saint, when he was a businessman first and foremost. you're right, spielberg's films are sickeningly sentimental. it works great with E.T., but not so great with saving private ryan.

AgentWood wrote:

404 error wrote: Didn't actually care for Schindler's list, nor saving private ryan. In fact I can't bear any of Speilberg's "serious" films, they all seem a bit cack-handed, inappropriately crowd-pleasing and sentimental. Come to think of it I've never liked any of Oliver Stone's efforts much either. In fact I reckon serious issue movies almost never work. Film makers should probably stick to what they do best - mindless spectacle and rollicking entertainment. With pirates.

i liked schindler's list until i took a class at columbia university film school on the holocaust and film. we deconstructed the film to the point where i couldn't enjoy it nearly as much (for example: the scene in the factory where schindler reminds the jews that it's shabbat. what jew forgets it's shabbat?). and spielberg paints schindler as a saint, when he was a businessman first and foremost. you're right, spielberg's films are sickeningly sentimental. it works great with E.T., but not so great with saving private ryan.

Egads! Is it possible to enjoy any film after dissecting it in a film class?

Craig W wrote: Seeing as the profits aren't going to the emergency workers now dying of asbestosis and seeing as Bush has declared war on all Muslims as a result and seeing as it looks like Bush could have prevented 9/11 from ever happening in the 1st place I think my answer is NO!

Ummmm. ..Bush could have prevented 9/11???? He was barely in office. That blame would probably fall on Presidents before him.

JHC

Shellshocker wrote:

AgentWood wrote:

404 error wrote: Didn't actually care for Schindler's list, nor saving private ryan. In fact I can't bear any of Speilberg's "serious" films, they all seem a bit cack-handed, inappropriately crowd-pleasing and sentimental. Come to think of it I've never liked any of Oliver Stone's efforts much either. In fact I reckon serious issue movies almost never work. Film makers should probably stick to what they do best - mindless spectacle and rollicking entertainment. With pirates.

i liked schindler's list until i took a class at columbia university film school on the holocaust and film. we deconstructed the film to the point where i couldn't enjoy it nearly as much (for example: the scene in the factory where schindler reminds the jews that it's shabbat. what jew forgets it's shabbat?). and spielberg paints schindler as a saint, when he was a businessman first and foremost. you're right, spielberg's films are sickeningly sentimental. it works great with E.T., but not so great with saving private ryan.

Egads! Is it possible to enjoy any film after dissecting it in a film class?

the white rose and night and fog both survived dissection.

I'll wait for the DVD.

Really hate going to the pictures. It's not NATURAL to sit still for that long.

[brown]Ally[/brown] wrote: Bush Is A Twat

Something should be done to stop this happening again.

He cheated to win two elections and now he's ruined EVERYTHING.

Diamond White wrote:

[brown]Ally[/brown] wrote: Bush Is A Twat

Something should be done to stop this happening again.

He cheated to win two elections and now he's ruined EVERYTHING.

Thank God there is a two term limit, at least. Hopefully we'll do a better job of electing someone competent next time around!

Shellshocker wrote:

Diamond White wrote:

[brown]Ally[/brown] wrote: Bush Is A Twat

Something should be done to stop this happening again.

He cheated to win two elections and now he's ruined EVERYTHING.

Thank God there is a two term limit, at least. Hopefully we'll do a better job of electing someone competent next time around!

I thought that about Canada too, but look what we got. Bush light.

[brown]Ally[/brown] wrote:

Craig W wrote: Seeing as the profits aren't going to the emergency workers now dying of asbestosis and seeing as Bush has declared war on all Muslims as a result and seeing as it looks like Bush could have prevented 9/11 from ever happening in the 1st place I think my answer is NO!

Your first point about the profits from the film is fair enough but did I miss something or was Bush the executive producer of this particular flick? The remainder of your rant appears to have fcuk all to do with why you won't be going to see it but rather just a standard issue 'Bush Is A Twat' rant.

Don't see how Bush's actions influence why you won't go to a film he had nothing to do with in any capacity in the first place.

Nothing like a good rant I say. It's Bush who's not supporting the emergency workers so stop talking out of your Avatar at me (as usual)!

EDIT: Yes he had nowt to do with it, but I bet many people who go will be Republican supporters...

AgentWood wrote:

Shellshocker wrote:

AgentWood wrote:

404 error wrote: Didn't actually care for Schindler's list, nor saving private ryan. In fact I can't bear any of Speilberg's "serious" films, they all seem a bit cack-handed, inappropriately crowd-pleasing and sentimental. Come to think of it I've never liked any of Oliver Stone's efforts much either. In fact I reckon serious issue movies almost never work. Film makers should probably stick to what they do best - mindless spectacle and rollicking entertainment. With pirates.

i liked schindler's list until i took a class at columbia university film school on the holocaust and film. we deconstructed the film to the point where i couldn't enjoy it nearly as much (for example: the scene in the factory where schindler reminds the jews that it's shabbat. what jew forgets it's shabbat?). and spielberg paints schindler as a saint, when he was a businessman first and foremost. you're right, spielberg's films are sickeningly sentimental. it works great with E.T., but not so great with saving private ryan.

Egads! Is it possible to enjoy any film after dissecting it in a film class?

the white rose and night and fog both survived dissection.

I'll have to check them out some day. Which version of the White Rose?

Diamond White wrote: I'll wait for the DVD.

Really hate going to the pictures. It's not NATURAL to sit still for that long.

True. I have problems with that, too.

68Pontiac wrote:

404 error wrote:

Smarra[gold]dona wrote:

Taboo # 7 wrote:

Smarra[gold]dona wrote: i wont see any of these 9-11 Movies. the bottom line is no matter how tasteful, well written directed or whatever, they are cashing in the deaths of a few thousands innocent people.

You could make the same arguement about Schindler's List, The Killing Fields, Saving Private Ryan, Das Boot, Apocalypse Now....

im sure there were/are people who have refused to see those films.

hey go have fun and watch it , im not making a public protest or anything, but its not for me, i guess i was too close to it.

Didn't actually care for Schindler's list, nor saving private ryan. In fact I can't bear any of Speilberg's "serious" films, they all seem a bit cack-handed, inappropriately crowd-pleasing and sentimental. Come to think of it I've never liked any of Oliver Stone's efforts much either. In fact I reckon serious issue movies almost never work. Film makers should probably stick to what they do best - mindless spectacle and rollicking entertainment. With pirates.

Completely agree with you, but I do have to say "Band of Brothers"(Produced by Spielberg), though it is a series, is the best film on war than any other movie out there. All the other movies are so Hollywoodized. Platoon is ok, has many good points, but it's filmed by a guy that wasn't there, and that is so apparent in the movie. "Band of Brothers", if you haven't seen it. . .it is a must see. Has a lot of actual stuff used in the military and done correctly. . .like squad rushes (usually messed up in Hollywood) 6-paragraph orders, all sorts of good stuff. And no stupid sappy story interwoven in it.

I actually make my NCOs watch it as a leadership tool. Good and bad examples of leadership.

JHC

I thought Oliver Stone did actually serve in Vietnam, so surely he was 'there'? Though I thought Platoon was very overblown with sort of self-concious mytho-poetic stuff. I dunno, but seems to me war movies are best if they just stick to being entertaining utter nonsense like Where Eagles Dare or the Dirty Dozen, instead of trying to show the 'reality' of war. I don't see that that is possible unless someone gets up in front of the screen and lobs live grenades into the audience - its always going to be ultimately just entertainment if nobody is actually shooting at you, surely? Also, not that I have any first hand knowledge whatsoever, but I've been told that a lot of the experience is of long periods of utter tedium, and I don't know if showing that would fill movie theatres - the live grenade show would probably get better takings.