is anyone going to see that world trade center film?

Shellshocker wrote:

Taboo # 7 wrote:

Smarra[gold]dona wrote: i wont see any of these 9-11 Movies. the bottom line is no matter how tasteful, well written directed or whatever, they are cashing in the deaths of a few thousands innocent people.

You could make the same arguement about Schindler's List, The Killing Fields, Saving Private Ryan, Das Boot, Apocalypse Now....

True, but none of those movies were so soon after the fact

Exactly. That's why I don't think any of these 9-11 movies should've been made (and also why I won't be going to see them); it's far too soon.

Smarra[gold]dona wrote:

Taboo # 7 wrote:

Smarra[gold]dona wrote: i wont see any of these 9-11 Movies. the bottom line is no matter how tasteful, well written directed or whatever, they are cashing in the deaths of a few thousands innocent people.

You could make the same arguement about Schindler's List, The Killing Fields, Saving Private Ryan, Das Boot, Apocalypse Now....

im sure there were/are people who have refused to see those films.

hey go have fun and watch it , im not making a public protest or anything, but its not for me, i guess i was too close to it.

Didn't actually care for Schindler's list, nor saving private ryan. In fact I can't bear any of Speilberg's "serious" films, they all seem a bit cack-handed, inappropriately crowd-pleasing and sentimental. Come to think of it I've never liked any of Oliver Stone's efforts much either. In fact I reckon serious issue movies almost never work. Film makers should probably stick to what they do best - mindless spectacle and rollicking entertainment. With pirates.

404 error wrote:

Didn't actually care for Schindler's list, nor saving private ryan. In fact I can't bear any of Speilberg's "serious" films, they all seem a bit cack-handed, inappropriately crowd-pleasing and sentimental. Come to think of it I've never liked any of Oliver Stone's efforts much either. In fact I reckon serious issue movies almost never work. Film makers should probably stick to what they do best - mindless spectacle and rollicking entertainment. With pirates.

My my, so cynical. :) I reckon I should see Schindler's List some day, if only because it's the most highly regarded movie which I've never seen. Generally, my reason for going to a movie is to be entertained, rather than lectured. If a movie can do both without being too preachy, though, I have no objection.

I thought Salvador was a good film, just checked and that's the last film of Stone's that I saw. Probably won't watch the WTC until it gets to cable. Plus, that Kevin Cosgrove call to 911 was more than enough to give me a glimpse of what some of those unfortunate people went through.

404 error wrote:

Smarra[gold]dona wrote:

Taboo # 7 wrote:

Smarra[gold]dona wrote: i wont see any of these 9-11 Movies. the bottom line is no matter how tasteful, well written directed or whatever, they are cashing in the deaths of a few thousands innocent people.

You could make the same arguement about Schindler's List, The Killing Fields, Saving Private Ryan, Das Boot, Apocalypse Now....

im sure there were/are people who have refused to see those films.

hey go have fun and watch it , im not making a public protest or anything, but its not for me, i guess i was too close to it.

Didn't actually care for Schindler's list, nor saving private ryan. In fact I can't bear any of Speilberg's "serious" films, they all seem a bit cack-handed, inappropriately crowd-pleasing and sentimental. Come to think of it I've never liked any of Oliver Stone's efforts much either. In fact I reckon serious issue movies almost never work. Film makers should probably stick to what they do best - mindless spectacle and rollicking entertainment. With pirates.

Completely agree with you, but I do have to say "Band of Brothers"(Produced by Spielberg), though it is a series, is the best film on war than any other movie out there. All the other movies are so Hollywoodized. Platoon is ok, has many good points, but it's filmed by a guy that wasn't there, and that is so apparent in the movie. "Band of Brothers", if you haven't seen it. . .it is a must see. Has a lot of actual stuff used in the military and done correctly. . .like squad rushes (usually messed up in Hollywood) 6-paragraph orders, all sorts of good stuff. And no stupid sappy story interwoven in it.

I actually make my NCOs watch it as a leadership tool. Good and bad examples of leadership.

JHC

Seeing as the profits aren't going to the emergency workers now dying of asbestosis and seeing as Bush has declared war on all Muslims as a result and seeing as it looks like Bush could have prevented 9/11 from ever happening in the 1st place I think my answer is NO!

404 error wrote: Didn't actually care for Schindler's list, nor saving private ryan. In fact I can't bear any of Speilberg's "serious" films, they all seem a bit cack-handed, inappropriately crowd-pleasing and sentimental. Come to think of it I've never liked any of Oliver Stone's efforts much either. In fact I reckon serious issue movies almost never work. Film makers should probably stick to what they do best - mindless spectacle and rollicking entertainment. With pirates.

i liked schindler's list until i took a class at columbia university film school on the holocaust and film. we deconstructed the film to the point where i couldn't enjoy it nearly as much (for example: the scene in the factory where schindler reminds the jews that it's shabbat. what jew forgets it's shabbat?). and spielberg paints schindler as a saint, when he was a businessman first and foremost. you're right, spielberg's films are sickeningly sentimental. it works great with E.T., but not so great with saving private ryan.

AgentWood wrote:

404 error wrote: Didn't actually care for Schindler's list, nor saving private ryan. In fact I can't bear any of Speilberg's "serious" films, they all seem a bit cack-handed, inappropriately crowd-pleasing and sentimental. Come to think of it I've never liked any of Oliver Stone's efforts much either. In fact I reckon serious issue movies almost never work. Film makers should probably stick to what they do best - mindless spectacle and rollicking entertainment. With pirates.

i liked schindler's list until i took a class at columbia university film school on the holocaust and film. we deconstructed the film to the point where i couldn't enjoy it nearly as much (for example: the scene in the factory where schindler reminds the jews that it's shabbat. what jew forgets it's shabbat?). and spielberg paints schindler as a saint, when he was a businessman first and foremost. you're right, spielberg's films are sickeningly sentimental. it works great with E.T., but not so great with saving private ryan.

Egads! Is it possible to enjoy any film after dissecting it in a film class?

Craig W wrote: Seeing as the profits aren't going to the emergency workers now dying of asbestosis and seeing as Bush has declared war on all Muslims as a result and seeing as it looks like Bush could have prevented 9/11 from ever happening in the 1st place I think my answer is NO!

Ummmm. ..Bush could have prevented 9/11???? He was barely in office. That blame would probably fall on Presidents before him.

JHC

Shellshocker wrote:

AgentWood wrote:

404 error wrote: Didn't actually care for Schindler's list, nor saving private ryan. In fact I can't bear any of Speilberg's "serious" films, they all seem a bit cack-handed, inappropriately crowd-pleasing and sentimental. Come to think of it I've never liked any of Oliver Stone's efforts much either. In fact I reckon serious issue movies almost never work. Film makers should probably stick to what they do best - mindless spectacle and rollicking entertainment. With pirates.

i liked schindler's list until i took a class at columbia university film school on the holocaust and film. we deconstructed the film to the point where i couldn't enjoy it nearly as much (for example: the scene in the factory where schindler reminds the jews that it's shabbat. what jew forgets it's shabbat?). and spielberg paints schindler as a saint, when he was a businessman first and foremost. you're right, spielberg's films are sickeningly sentimental. it works great with E.T., but not so great with saving private ryan.

Egads! Is it possible to enjoy any film after dissecting it in a film class?

the white rose and night and fog both survived dissection.

I'll wait for the DVD.

Really hate going to the pictures. It's not NATURAL to sit still for that long.

[brown]Ally[/brown] wrote: Bush Is A Twat

Something should be done to stop this happening again.

He cheated to win two elections and now he's ruined EVERYTHING.

Diamond White wrote:

[brown]Ally[/brown] wrote: Bush Is A Twat

Something should be done to stop this happening again.

He cheated to win two elections and now he's ruined EVERYTHING.

Thank God there is a two term limit, at least. Hopefully we'll do a better job of electing someone competent next time around!

Shellshocker wrote:

Diamond White wrote:

[brown]Ally[/brown] wrote: Bush Is A Twat

Something should be done to stop this happening again.

He cheated to win two elections and now he's ruined EVERYTHING.

Thank God there is a two term limit, at least. Hopefully we'll do a better job of electing someone competent next time around!

I thought that about Canada too, but look what we got. Bush light.

[brown]Ally[/brown] wrote:

Craig W wrote: Seeing as the profits aren't going to the emergency workers now dying of asbestosis and seeing as Bush has declared war on all Muslims as a result and seeing as it looks like Bush could have prevented 9/11 from ever happening in the 1st place I think my answer is NO!

Your first point about the profits from the film is fair enough but did I miss something or was Bush the executive producer of this particular flick? The remainder of your rant appears to have fcuk all to do with why you won't be going to see it but rather just a standard issue 'Bush Is A Twat' rant.

Don't see how Bush's actions influence why you won't go to a film he had nothing to do with in any capacity in the first place.

Nothing like a good rant I say. It's Bush who's not supporting the emergency workers so stop talking out of your Avatar at me (as usual)!

EDIT: Yes he had nowt to do with it, but I bet many people who go will be Republican supporters...

AgentWood wrote:

Shellshocker wrote:

AgentWood wrote:

404 error wrote: Didn't actually care for Schindler's list, nor saving private ryan. In fact I can't bear any of Speilberg's "serious" films, they all seem a bit cack-handed, inappropriately crowd-pleasing and sentimental. Come to think of it I've never liked any of Oliver Stone's efforts much either. In fact I reckon serious issue movies almost never work. Film makers should probably stick to what they do best - mindless spectacle and rollicking entertainment. With pirates.

i liked schindler's list until i took a class at columbia university film school on the holocaust and film. we deconstructed the film to the point where i couldn't enjoy it nearly as much (for example: the scene in the factory where schindler reminds the jews that it's shabbat. what jew forgets it's shabbat?). and spielberg paints schindler as a saint, when he was a businessman first and foremost. you're right, spielberg's films are sickeningly sentimental. it works great with E.T., but not so great with saving private ryan.

Egads! Is it possible to enjoy any film after dissecting it in a film class?

the white rose and night and fog both survived dissection.

I'll have to check them out some day. Which version of the White Rose?

Diamond White wrote: I'll wait for the DVD.

Really hate going to the pictures. It's not NATURAL to sit still for that long.

True. I have problems with that, too.

68Pontiac wrote:

404 error wrote:

Smarra[gold]dona wrote:

Taboo # 7 wrote:

Smarra[gold]dona wrote: i wont see any of these 9-11 Movies. the bottom line is no matter how tasteful, well written directed or whatever, they are cashing in the deaths of a few thousands innocent people.

You could make the same arguement about Schindler's List, The Killing Fields, Saving Private Ryan, Das Boot, Apocalypse Now....

im sure there were/are people who have refused to see those films.

hey go have fun and watch it , im not making a public protest or anything, but its not for me, i guess i was too close to it.

Didn't actually care for Schindler's list, nor saving private ryan. In fact I can't bear any of Speilberg's "serious" films, they all seem a bit cack-handed, inappropriately crowd-pleasing and sentimental. Come to think of it I've never liked any of Oliver Stone's efforts much either. In fact I reckon serious issue movies almost never work. Film makers should probably stick to what they do best - mindless spectacle and rollicking entertainment. With pirates.

Completely agree with you, but I do have to say "Band of Brothers"(Produced by Spielberg), though it is a series, is the best film on war than any other movie out there. All the other movies are so Hollywoodized. Platoon is ok, has many good points, but it's filmed by a guy that wasn't there, and that is so apparent in the movie. "Band of Brothers", if you haven't seen it. . .it is a must see. Has a lot of actual stuff used in the military and done correctly. . .like squad rushes (usually messed up in Hollywood) 6-paragraph orders, all sorts of good stuff. And no stupid sappy story interwoven in it.

I actually make my NCOs watch it as a leadership tool. Good and bad examples of leadership.

JHC

I thought Oliver Stone did actually serve in Vietnam, so surely he was 'there'? Though I thought Platoon was very overblown with sort of self-concious mytho-poetic stuff. I dunno, but seems to me war movies are best if they just stick to being entertaining utter nonsense like Where Eagles Dare or the Dirty Dozen, instead of trying to show the 'reality' of war. I don't see that that is possible unless someone gets up in front of the screen and lobs live grenades into the audience - its always going to be ultimately just entertainment if nobody is actually shooting at you, surely? Also, not that I have any first hand knowledge whatsoever, but I've been told that a lot of the experience is of long periods of utter tedium, and I don't know if showing that would fill movie theatres - the live grenade show would probably get better takings.