so, has anyone seen 'marie antoinette' yet?

i may go this weekend, if it's still playing. it got fairly good reviews and i'm quite curious. just wondering if anyone has any reviews they'd like to share.

"Ceremony". Kirsten Dunst in the buff. Lots of pretty shoes and extravagant frocks. No real story to speak of. Much better than "Lost in Translation"; not as good as "The Virgin Suicides".

Better than Lost in Translation? I think not. But yes, not as good as The Virgin Suicides (her best). An okay fluff piece, but despite all the decadence, I didn't think she evoked nearly as strong an atmosphere as her other two films, and that really seems to be where she shines. The vague feminist thread continues in this one, as well as the others, though her politics seem a bit misplaced in this one (but the knee-jerk Marxist in me is rarely happy). Stop the Revolution, I want to get off!

Oh, and Ceremony following The Cure's Plainsong is always good listening. Hong Kong Garden used to humorous effect as well..."an old custom to sell your daughter," indeed. And I can't fault her for putting Asia Argento in lacy underthingies here and there, which was one of the high points for me.

Think its one of them "i'll wait to catch it on dvd" films for me.

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: Better than Lost in Translation? I think not. But yes, not as good as The Virgin Suicides (her best). An okay fluff piece, but despite all the decadence, I didn't think she evoked nearly as strong an atmosphere as her other two films, and that really seems to be where she shines. The vague feminist thread continues in this one, as well as the others, though her politics seem a bit misplaced in this one (but the knee-jerk Marxist in me is rarely happy). Stop the Revolution, I want to get off!

Oh, and Ceremony following The Cure's Plainsong is always good listening. Hong Kong Garden used to humorous effect as well..."an old custom to sell your daughter," indeed. And I can't fault her for putting Asia Argento in lacy underthingies here and there, which was one of the high points for me.

"Lost in Translation": surely, at best, a hopelessly narcissistic love letter from Sofia to herself made even less bearable by casually smug tone of condescending racism??

Surely?

Here, in France, we saw it few month ago.

I really liked it, for the pictures, the atmosphere and the music. Don't expect an historical movie. It's nice and strange to see Steve Coogan (Tony Wilson in 24HP) related with New Order again.

Hearing Ceremony in full in the film is excellent. THIS PART OF THE FILM SHOULD BE THE OFFICIAL CEREMONY VIDEO !!! (instead of the crappy one in the 'A Collection' DVD)

Enjoy

(The Good Doctor) Martin Fradley wrote:

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: Better than Lost in Translation? I think not. But yes, not as good as The Virgin Suicides (her best). An okay fluff piece, but despite all the decadence, I didn't think she evoked nearly as strong an atmosphere as her other two films, and that really seems to be where she shines. The vague feminist thread continues in this one, as well as the others, though her politics seem a bit misplaced in this one (but the knee-jerk Marxist in me is rarely happy). Stop the Revolution, I want to get off!

Oh, and Ceremony following The Cure's Plainsong is always good listening. Hong Kong Garden used to humorous effect as well..."an old custom to sell your daughter," indeed. And I can't fault her for putting Asia Argento in lacy underthingies here and there, which was one of the high points for me.

"Lost in Translation": surely, at best, a hopelessly narcissistic love letter from Sofia to herself made even less bearable by casually smug tone of condescending racism??

Surely?

Surely all of her movies are hopelessly narcissistic. And I can't help but think that there was something deliberate in her obvious use of the casual racism. Clue: it's virtually always the men who deploy it. Surely?

His Holiness, The Pope wrote:

(The Good Doctor) Martin Fradley wrote:

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: Better than Lost in Translation? I think not. But yes, not as good as The Virgin Suicides (her best). An okay fluff piece, but despite all the decadence, I didn't think she evoked nearly as strong an atmosphere as her other two films, and that really seems to be where she shines. The vague feminist thread continues in this one, as well as the others, though her politics seem a bit misplaced in this one (but the knee-jerk Marxist in me is rarely happy). Stop the Revolution, I want to get off!

Oh, and Ceremony following The Cure's Plainsong is always good listening. Hong Kong Garden used to humorous effect as well..."an old custom to sell your daughter," indeed. And I can't fault her for putting Asia Argento in lacy underthingies here and there, which was one of the high points for me.

"Lost in Translation": surely, at best, a hopelessly narcissistic love letter from Sofia to herself made even less bearable by casually smug tone of condescending racism??

Surely?

Surely all of her movies are hopelessly narcissistic. And I can't help but think that there was something deliberate in her obvious use of the casual racism. Clue: it's virtually always the men who deploy it. Surely?

Ah, well: I thought the camera was deploying it, too, as well as practically the entire narrative. Funny yellow folk with slanty eyes who can't talk proper as backdrop to entirely unbelievable quasi-love affair.

The lass ain't as smart as she thinks, methinks.

Still, Scarlett's a hottie, eh??

make what you will of lost in translation, but i thought it was absolutely brilliant. i've lived in a country where i was the tallest person (by far)--as in the elevator scene, i constantly got messed up with the wai, which is similar to the japanese bow, and sitting in a biology class not knowing a word and having my friends translate in truncated language reminded me of the suntory shoots. at times i certainly felt 'lost in translation.'

i saw lost in translation with my parents, who lived in japan for two years before i was born (they say they were the best years of their lives), and they connected with the film. to the point that my father was laughing so hard it was disturbing other people in the theatre; especially when bob received all of the gifts from each of his hosts. that's a very accurate japanese tradition that might somewhat shock someone who isn't used to it. also, the elevator scene with tall bob--my mother is 5'10 and got stares everywhere she went. forget buying clothing--she had to have them sent over from the states. of course, this is before many westerners visited japan, but apparently there still aren't many clothing options for 5'10 people in japan, even in tokyo. i haven't been to japan, except for the airport at narita and it is tremendously overwhelming for anyone. as far as the japanese not being to speak properly, there is no 'l' sound in the japanese language, hence the confusion in the prostitute scene--and the resulting humour.

i don't know how much lost in translation is really about japan, though. i saw it as a film about two people who were simply lost, regardless of where they were. a film that is truly about the nuances of japanese culture is fear & trembling, which is a combined japanese/belgian production about a belgian girl who grew up in japan. after spending time in belgium she moves back to japan for work, a place she feels most at home. however, she is rejected by her boss as being a gaijin and is put through more and more humiliating activities in order to gain the respect of her seniors. she's absolutely devastated because she feels as though she is at home, but because japan is such an insular society she realizes that she will never fit in. highly recommended and a good accompaniment to ruth benedict's 'the crysanthemum and the sword' in understanding japanese culture.

(The Good Doctor) Martin Fradley wrote: ....entirely unbelievable quasi-love affair....

I must've missed the memo...

Now, all I know about Sofia's films are that the plots are seen in the eyes of female protagonists. I don't think I will see MA in theaters, but I will see it once it's released on DVD. I want to see how creative she is in modernizing history to her interpretation. "Lost in Translation" beckons me of home (actually Okinawa is my motherland, but I'm familiar with Tokyo) and that was a very good movie. My parents saw it with me when it came out on DVD. Still, I can remember Mom pointing out that a woman in the elevator is wearing the kimono the wrong way (I don't know if this is considered racism, though; the prostitute scene with Bill Murray, I think does or reflects stereotypes). Overall, the LIT is a good movie and I got the soundtrack. "Virgin Suicides"? I don't think I will see it because it's too painful to bring up teen angst. I'd prefer method actors over that film.

[magenta]shedmonite61[/magenta] wrote: Now, all I know about Sofia's films are that the plots are seen in the eyes of female protagonists. I don't think I will see MA in theaters, but I will see it once it's released on DVD. I want to see how creative she is in modernizing history to her interpretation. "Lost in Translation" beckons me of home (actually Okinawa is my motherland, but I'm familiar with Tokyo) and that was a very good movie. My parents saw it with me when it came out on DVD. Still, I can remember Mom pointing out that a woman in the elevator is wearing the kimono the wrong way (I don't know if this is considered racism, though; the prostitute scene with Bill Murray, I think does or reflects stereotypes). Overall, the LIT is a good movie and I got the soundtrack. "Virgin Suicides"? I don't think I will see it because it's too painful to bring up teen angst. I'd prefer method actors over that film.

the virgin suicides is about a lot more than just teen angst. it's far from your typial teen flick. the characters are much bolder, they are powerful in an etherial way--almost untouchable. and while the family is dysfunctional, the dysfunction is not 'gee, mom and dad are mean.' granted, it's an unusual film, but it's well worth seeing.

The Virgin Suicides is absolutely fantastic. Coppola will never top it. And if "teen angst" is your reason for not wanting to see it, you should top yourself.

Purchased the soundtrack but could not get Wifey to see the film with me.