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Listening to the first Journey album now (in a cafe). The first album had enormous cred-- the band was a Santana offshoot, after all-- then the band abandoned their claim to serious musicianship to pursue pop stardom.
Must be other bands out there that started out with such promise only to throw it all away for commercial success...
Shamen (pre-C awesome, Post-C, utter wank, even Colin's gated Westone guitar could not keep me listening)
Happy Mondays (Step on made me Step OFF, although Kinky Afro was one more highlight after that)
Goldfrapp (cos the last album of theirs I heard had 8 versions of the same 6/8 time glam rock riff and fuck all else on it)
Doctor? wrote: Shamen (pre-C awesome, Post-C, utter wank, even Colin's gated Westone guitar could not keep me listening)
Happy Mondays (Step on made me Step OFF, although Kinky Afro was one more highlight after that)
Goldfrapp (cos the last album of theirs I heard had 8 versions of the same 6/8 time glam rock riff and fuck all else on it)
Steve, the point is that you have to imagine Alison Goldfrapp grinding her crotch into your face in time with said 6/8 glam rock riff.
Then you'll understand the point of the latest Goldfrapp long player.
lol, u could really go on for hours on this one:
The Proclaimers - okay they didnt have any cred, but "Sunsine on Leith" was a widely popular although shite album, but who knows what happened to them?
FATBACK - Bus Stop - once again, dont think they had any cred either, but that one song that everyone danced that stupid dance to in the late 80's was also v.popular, but lol, did they even bother to release an album. Maybe they knew they were shite.
RIGHT SAID FRED - enuff said, born shite, remains shite.
EMINEM - first few albums were listenable, now he goes ahead and releases a mix tape (what the?).
BLOC PARTY - Silent Alarm was absolute brilliance, then they release TWO MORE YEARS (very worthy), then they come out with their new album "A weekend in the city" - which in my mind is absolute crap apart from that one song "The Prayer"....**okay i shouldnt be talking about an unreleased album, but hey we live in the internet age, everythings available ahead of time if you look in the right places**.
Shall io go on, nah :\
Doctor Clayhead wrote:
Doctor? wrote: Shamen (pre-C awesome, Post-C, utter wank, even Colin's gated Westone guitar could not keep me listening)
Happy Mondays (Step on made me Step OFF, although Kinky Afro was one more highlight after that)
Goldfrapp (cos the last album of theirs I heard had 8 versions of the same 6/8 time glam rock riff and fuck all else on it)
Steve, the point is that you have to imagine Alison Goldfrapp grinding her crotch into your face in time with said 6/8 glam rock riff.
Then you'll understand the point of the latest Goldfrapp long player.
I think the last time I bought a record cos of wanting to do an involved female was when I was about 13....I got some funny attitudes to music thereafter, and one of them is hating anything that is sold on sex. Having said that, it's a good point well made, and Miss G is well doable for an auld doll.
It's just that none of the tunes are a patch on lovely head[1] the first of theirs I ever heard, that vocal filtration thing through the synth just knocked me dead) or utopia or pilots.
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Stadium Arcadium is one of the most bloated albums released.
The Exploited - Embracing thrash metal
Discharge - See above
Megadeth - Cryptic Writing
Killing Joke - Outside the Gate (shudder) but thankfully they rectified that with Extremities, Dirt and Various Repressed Emotions.
Rolling Stones,if they'd split late 70's they'd be as legendary as the Beatles.
U2. The politics ruined the pop.
Madonna - after Vouge
Van Halen - after David left (although I do like some Van Hagar tunes)
DM - after Violater
Motley Crue - after they stopped doing drugs
Sisqo - his follow up to Thong Song, Granny Panties, just didn't work out for him.....
Tex wrote: Madonna - after Vouge
Motley Crue - after they stopped doing drugs
Sisqo - his follow up to Thong Song, Granny Panties, just didn't work out for him.....
All of these had cred?
Christopher Owens wrote:
Tex wrote: Madonna - after Vouge
Motley Crue - after they stopped doing drugs
Sisqo - his follow up to Thong Song, Granny Panties, just didn't work out for him.....
All of these had cred?
Madge and MC had certain amounts of cred on this side of the pond. Sisqo was my lame attempt at humor.
*backing away from keyboard muttering, "a thousand pardons..."* :D
Tex wrote: Madonna - after Vouge
Van Halen - after David left (although I do like some Van Hagar tunes)
DM - after Violater
Motley Crue - after they stopped doing drugs
Sisqo - his follow up to Thong Song, Granny Panties, just didn't work out for him.....
I agree with you on DM, sadly. The first two post-Wilder albums were very weak, although Playing the Angel was rather good. Although Alan Wilder played on Songs of Faith and Devotion, he seemed absent from the album, kind of like Hooky's absense from Republic. Actually, SOFAD is a lot like Republic, for both albums followed what is considered the band's pinnacle of their work and are both considered artistic let downs. If the album had synths on it, it wouldn't have been bad, but the excessive, boring guitars and religious lyrics (they seem to have forgotten "Blasphemous Rumors") make it very sub-par to Violator. If you watch any live footage from that tour, aside from Dave looking strung out and Martin not setting foot near a keyboard, Alan looks like he wants to run off the stage and get the hell out of there. I don't really blame him, either.
The Beatles lost it, then got it again. Quite a feat.
U2 have to be the most severe case of cred loss ever though. What is that all about?
Tex wrote:
Madge and MC had certain amounts of cred on this side of the pond. Sisqo was my lame attempt at humor.
*backing away from keyboard muttering, "a thousand pardons..."* :D
I'll let you off with S***o, but Motley Crue???
You have got to be joking.
They were shit.
They are shit.
They will forever remain shit.
Hair *metal*
New Order when they lost their enigmatic keyboard genius, acted like they were bothered and turned up for a series of gigs.
Cheers
REM - once they went "public"
U2 - Once Bono thought he was Africa's saviour it turned to crap
This blue-eyed boy that wants to be wrote: I agree with you on DM, sadly. The first two post-Wilder albums were very weak, although Playing the Angel was rather good. Although Alan Wilder played on Songs of Faith and Devotion, he seemed absent from the album, kind of like Hooky's absense from Republic [...] Alan looks like he wants to run off the stage and get the hell out of there. I don't really blame him, either.
I totally agree with you. On the other hand, the Recoil albums since he left Depeche Mode are masterpieces.
Vivat Recoil !
Jiphy wrote:
This blue-eyed boy that wants to be wrote: I agree with you on DM, sadly. The first two post-Wilder albums were very weak, although Playing the Angel was rather good. Although Alan Wilder played on Songs of Faith and Devotion, he seemed absent from the album, kind of like Hooky's absense from Republic [...] Alan looks like he wants to run off the stage and get the hell out of there. I don't really blame him, either.
I totally agree with you. On the other hand, the Recoil albums since he left Depeche Mode are masterpieces.
Vivat Recoil !
I don't know, the only DM album I don't care for is SOFAD, everything else I really like.
EdelBrock wrote: I don't know, the only DM album I don't care for is SOFAD, everything else I really like.
To me DM albums are :
Music for the Masses Ultra Violator Black Celebration and... Playing the Angels
I have some others... They are more like pieces of my record collection than anything else.
Jiphy wrote:
EdelBrock wrote: I don't know, the only DM album I don't care for is SOFAD, everything else I really like.
To me DM albums are :
Music for the Masses Ultra Violator Black Celebration and... Playing the Angels
I have some others... They are more like pieces of my record collection than anything else.
Surely you can't hate: Some Great Reward People are People
Some of the early stuff I can understand, but those are top albums
EdelBrock wrote:
Surely you can't hate: Some Great Reward People are People
Some of the early stuff I can understand, but those are top albums
The best tunes out of those are compiled elsewhere... It is enought for me. I tried to listen to these albums and I skipped almost every songs... By the way People are People has not been released in Europe.
Jiphy wrote:
EdelBrock wrote:
Surely you can't hate: Some Great Reward People are People
Some of the early stuff I can understand, but those are top albums
The best tunes out of those are compiled elsewhere... It is enought for me. I tried to listen to these albums and I skipped almost every songs... By the way People are People has not been released in Europe.
Didn't know that...is there another album with the same songs rearranged? Kinda like a "louder than bombs" thing?
EdelBrock wrote: Didn't know that...is there another album with the same songs rearranged? Kinda like a "louder than bombs" thing?
Sorry for my English.
I meant that out of Construction Time Again, Some Great Rewards and Black Celebration I have no interest in the songs which are not singles except Something to do as far as I can remember.
In fact 50% of Black Celebration do not interest me at all (including some singles). Well, I do not like songs like a question of lust, somebody...
I remember that I had People Are People as an American collection of tracks but I cannot tell you who stole me that one. And I do not think these songs were rearranged. By the time, anyway.
I also do not care about remasterisations they release nowadays either... It inteferes with my memories... As Dave Gahan says "it's no good". These songs belong to their time... I do not want to listen to them after a plastic surgery operation today... It sounds too fake to my ears...
Dépêche Mode.
There was a play on words with their name. Swap a few letters and it becomes Dépède Moche. If you say that, a French speaking man will understand Des Pèdes Moches which can be translate by : Ugly Gays...
Stupid play on words by the ones who disliked the girlish aspect of that band back in the eighties...
EdelBrock wrote:
Jiphy wrote:
EdelBrock wrote:
Surely you can't hate: Some Great Reward People are People
Some of the early stuff I can understand, but those are top albums
The best tunes out of those are compiled elsewhere... It is enought for me. I tried to listen to these albums and I skipped almost every songs... By the way People are People has not been released in Europe.
Didn't know that...is there another album with the same songs rearranged? Kinda like a "louder than bombs" thing?
Not exactly. People are People and Catching up with Depeche Mode were released in the US to make DM as more popular than a club band. I believe People are People was their first real hit in the US. Their first three albums, I believe, weren't widely available in the US, and People are People shares several of the same songs as Construction Time Again: Love in itself, Told you so, Everything counts, and Pipeline. But it also has some b-sides on it and A Broken Frame song and Get the Balance right. Catching up with DM, which followed the next year, is more of a chronological singles compilation for the US.
Metallica -->> They sound like they are against the man and rooting for the little guy in all the first albums. As soon as Lars can't afford more than 4 exotic cars per year he jumps on the RIAA sue your customers bandwagon. Fudge off Lars and give me an mp3 and the attitude you had during master of puppets. It is obviously not about the music or the fans any more.
Cure -->> c the turtle of enormous girth, no more pornography, faith, or kiss me from this band.
Moz -->> He will always need Johnny and yes I am bitter.
rev-2-9k wrote: Moz -->> He will always need Johnny ...
Surely Moz has shown it's the other way around?
Comrade Shampanyov wrote:
rev-2-9k wrote: Moz -->> He will always need Johnny ...
Surely Moz has shown it's the other way around?
moz has had great commercial success, he no doubt has as many fans as ever. it is only my humble opinion that the smiths made better music. he also canceled the last concert i had tickets to.
This blue-eyed boy that wants to be wrote:
Tex wrote: Madonna - after Vouge
Van Halen - after David left (although I do like some Van Hagar tunes)
DM - after Violater
Motley Crue - after they stopped doing drugs
Sisqo - his follow up to Thong Song, Granny Panties, just didn't work out for him.....
I agree with you on DM, sadly. The first two post-Wilder albums were very weak, although Playing the Angel was rather good. Although Alan Wilder played on Songs of Faith and Devotion, he seemed absent from the album, kind of like Hooky's absense from Republic. Actually, SOFAD is a lot like Republic, for both albums followed what is considered the band's pinnacle of their work and are both considered artistic let downs. If the album had synths on it, it wouldn't have been bad, but the excessive, boring guitars and religious lyrics (they seem to have forgotten "Blasphemous Rumors") make it very sub-par to Violator. If you watch any live footage from that tour, aside from Dave looking strung out and Martin not setting foot near a keyboard, Alan looks like he wants to run off the stage and get the hell out of there. I don't really blame him, either.
I lucked into 2nd row seats for the SOFAD show at Reunion Arena in Dallas. A friend of mine bought them for me over the phone from Ticketmaster. I new they were on the floor, but I didn't know exactly where. So, I hand the tickets to the usher and he says, "follow me". We keep walking and walking and walking until we were at the 2nd freaking row. Pure luck.....
But I digress, Dave did look very freaky...
Steve One wrote: Who put Madonna down? You cant lose what you haven't got.
Like I explained earlier, home-girl had a modicum of cred over here. But since she went all Madge on us, not so much...
Tex wrote:
Steve One wrote: Who put Madonna down? You cant lose what you haven't got.
Like I explained earlier, home-girl had a modicum of cred over here.
Yes indeed, signed to Sire Records, home of the Ramones, Talking Heads, Saints, Pretenders, the Dead Boy, Undertones, Radio Birdman, etc.
Steve One wrote: Who put Madonna down? You cant lose what you haven't got.
If she had remained a mid-'80s pop star and faded like Debbie Gibson and Paula Abdul, then her loss of cred would be understandable. But instead, she does mostly awful movies, does children's books, preaches about Kabala, and still puts out albums and does shows, and she just sticks around without letting pop history take its course. She knew her time was up in the early '90s and for a few years, she remained irrelevant until that late '90s come back with Ray of Light and staring in Evita. I think everyone just wants her to shut up and retire.
This blue-eyed boy that wants to be wrote:
Steve One wrote: Who put Madonna down? You cant lose what you haven't got.
If she had remained a mid-'80s pop star and faded like Debbie Gibson and Paula Abdul, then her loss of cred would be understandable. But instead, she does mostly awful movies, does children's books, preaches about Kabala, and still puts out albums and does shows, and she just sticks around without letting pop history take its course. She knew her time was up in the early '90s and for a few years, she remained irrelevant until that late '90s come back with Ray of Light and staring in Evita. I think everyone just wants her to shut up and retire.
Dunno 'bout that, I thought Hung Up was ace, easily her best work, better than Justify My Love (released in the early 90s, when you claim her time was up) and Frozen, which were my previous favorites.
Comrade Shampanyov wrote:
This blue-eyed boy that wants to be wrote:
Steve One wrote: Who put Madonna down? You cant lose what you haven't got.
If she had remained a mid-'80s pop star and faded like Debbie Gibson and Paula Abdul, then her loss of cred would be understandable. But instead, she does mostly awful movies, does children's books, preaches about Kabala, and still puts out albums and does shows, and she just sticks around without letting pop history take its course. She knew her time was up in the early '90s and for a few years, she remained irrelevant until that late '90s come back with Ray of Light and staring in Evita. I think everyone just wants her to shut up and retire.
Dunno 'bout that, I thought Hung Up was ace, easily her best work, better than Justify My Love (released in the early 90s, when you claim her time was up) and Frozen, which were my previous favorites.
Agree that she lost cred in everything outside the music industry, but I find it amazing how she can still put out hits well into her late 40s. Agree with Comrade that Ray of Light was an excellent album, not much into pop so not sure on her newer releases, but the singles were definately catchy. To add she did release "Something to Remember" in 95, yes a greatest hits album, but the best grouping of songs I think that she has ever compiled.
Comrade Shampanyov wrote:
This blue-eyed boy that wants to be wrote:
Steve One wrote: Who put Madonna down? You cant lose what you haven't got.
If she had remained a mid-'80s pop star and faded like Debbie Gibson and Paula Abdul, then her loss of cred would be understandable. But instead, she does mostly awful movies, does children's books, preaches about Kabala, and still puts out albums and does shows, and she just sticks around without letting pop history take its course. She knew her time was up in the early '90s and for a few years, she remained irrelevant until that late '90s come back with Ray of Light and staring in Evita. I think everyone just wants her to shut up and retire.
Dunno 'bout that, I thought Hung Up was ace, easily her best work, better than Justify My Love (released in the early 90s, when you claim her time was up) and Frozen, which were my previous favorites.
Actually, I didn't think Hung up was bad (it would've been better with Dave Gahan or Neil tennant singing, though) but the album as a whole was dull. All songs had the same tempo and overdubs were all over the place. Considering Stephen Price was one of the producers, I was expecting a lot more than something that sounded like a snippet from a club playlist.
This blue-eyed boy that wants to be wrote:
EdelBrock wrote:
Jiphy wrote:
EdelBrock wrote:
Surely you can't hate: Some Great Reward People are People
Some of the early stuff I can understand, but those are top albums
The best tunes out of those are compiled elsewhere... It is enought for me. I tried to listen to these albums and I skipped almost every songs... By the way People are People has not been released in Europe.
Didn't know that...is there another album with the same songs rearranged? Kinda like a "louder than bombs" thing?
Not exactly. People are People and Catching up with Depeche Mode were released in the US to make DM as more popular than a club band. I believe People are People was their first real hit in the US. Their first three albums, I believe, weren't widely available in the US, and People are People shares several of the same songs as Construction Time Again: Love in itself, Told you so, Everything counts, and Pipeline. But it also has some b-sides on it and A Broken Frame song and Get the Balance right. Catching up with DM, which followed the next year, is more of a chronological singles compilation for the US.
By the way, thanks for the info. Always wondered why there were a few random songs from other albums, but it seemed that alot of it was "new". One mystery in my life is solved. Can now sleep better atnight.
Radiohead, for me anyways, when they stopped doing actual albums full of good songs and started putting out album-length "experimental" crap. It's rare for me to say that an artist "shouldn't" follow their muse, but I still can't listen to more than a few minutes of Hail to the Thief without chucking it in favor of OK Computer or The Bends
The Clash when they let Mick Jones go 
(but they got it back in retrospect because they were just a great, great band)
I would agree that REM lost their cred, but only after Bill Berry left. You couldn't get me to buy their post-97 albums if you had a gun pointed to my head.
Nirvana - was the box set really necessary? It just seemed like crass commercialism rather than a sober attempt to give something back to the fans (this coming from the guy who owns Retro, to be fair, but I got that for free thanks to Nic so stuff it 
)
Joy Division... if they use a new outside lead singer!
Guided By Voices... Robert Pollard has pretty much lost most of his cred from a decade ago with his absurd lack of self editing and self control, firing his band that gave him cred and putting out every thing he has ever recorded to tape, becoming a parody of himself
it all pretty subjective
EdelBrock wrote:
This blue-eyed boy that wants to be wrote:
EdelBrock wrote:
Jiphy wrote:
EdelBrock wrote:
Surely you can't hate: Some Great Reward People are People
Some of the early stuff I can understand, but those are top albums
The best tunes out of those are compiled elsewhere... It is enought for me. I tried to listen to these albums and I skipped almost every songs... By the way People are People has not been released in Europe.
Didn't know that...is there another album with the same songs rearranged? Kinda like a "louder than bombs" thing?
Not exactly. People are People and Catching up with Depeche Mode were released in the US to make DM as more popular than a club band. I believe People are People was their first real hit in the US. Their first three albums, I believe, weren't widely available in the US, and People are People shares several of the same songs as Construction Time Again: Love in itself, Told you so, Everything counts, and Pipeline. But it also has some b-sides on it and A Broken Frame song and Get the Balance right. Catching up with DM, which followed the next year, is more of a chronological singles compilation for the US.
By the way, thanks for the info. Always wondered why there were a few random songs from other albums, but it seemed that alot of it was "new". One mystery in my life is solved. Can now sleep better atnight.
It's just info I got from a DM discography. I had to explain this to a friend before who thought Catching up with DM was their first album. But, also, to be fair, before the re-releases, their albums from Speak and Spell to Some Great Reward, and even Black Celebration, were hard to find.
Not necessarily a band, but Alanis Morrissette was huge over here, selling double platnium or something like that with "jagged little pill". Listened to it today and it really isn't all that good. Amazing how almost every song on that album was a hit song on the radio.
Guess she did redefine the word "ironic" though.:dead:
[magenta]cozmonite61[/magenta] wrote: Dead Kennedys. They should have not reformed!
They didn't reform. If their dickhead genius frontman isn't there, then it's NOT DK.
Taboo # 7 wrote: Radiohead, for me anyways, when they stopped doing actual albums full of good songs and started putting out album-length "experimental" crap. It's rare for me to say that an artist "shouldn't" follow their muse, but I still can't listen to more than a few minutes of Hail to the Thief without chucking it in favor of OK Computer or The Bends
You are Joking? Kid A is superb,its one of those albums which seems to have the myth surrounding it that it crap tuneless songs,when its actually better than the Bends.
Fair enoungh Amnesiac,was patchy but still had some great stuff on it. Hail To The Thief was a return to form and a natural progression from Ok Computer.
Although The Bends is a good album,it was for me heading off into U2 territory. Pablo Honey however will always be shit.
Steve One wrote:
Taboo # 7 wrote: Radiohead, for me anyways, when they stopped doing actual albums full of good songs and started putting out album-length "experimental" crap. It's rare for me to say that an artist "shouldn't" follow their muse, but I still can't listen to more than a few minutes of Hail to the Thief without chucking it in favor of OK Computer or The Bends
You are Joking? Kid A is superb,its one of those albums which seems to have the myth surrounding it that it crap tuneless songs,when its actually better than the Bends.
Fair enoungh Amnesiac,was patchy but still had some great stuff on it. Hail To The Thief was a return to form and a natural progression from Ok Computer.
Although The Bends is a good album,it was for me heading off into U2 territory. Pablo Honey however will always be shit.
The only weak album is Amnesiac, which half the songs are close to unlistenable. But the Bends is great, and same with Pablo Honey......but I could see how it might not appeal to you if you started listening to RH after ok computer and were checking out the older albums. RH definately builds off the last album, and going back a few albums might not give you what you were expecting.
Christopher Owens wrote:
[magenta]cozmonite61[/magenta] wrote: Dead Kennedys. They should have not reformed!
They didn't reform. If their dickhead genius frontman isn't there, then it's NOT DK.
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Christopher Owens wrote:
[magenta]cozmonite61[/magenta] wrote: Dead Kennedys. They should have not reformed!
They didn't reform. If their dickhead genius frontman isn't there, then it's NOT DK.
True, but the three bandmates were too stupid to have that happen! Actually, I blame all four guys in destroying their cred. First, Jello skimmed them by not paying the others their royalties after increasing the price of the CDs. Then, the whole "reformation"... Some woman in a DK forum, who recently went to a concert, had the nerve to say, "Oh, I expected Jello to perform there, but the new guy was hot!"
Me: Screw you, Jeff Penalty!
