Bands that lost their cred

This blue-eyed boy that wants to be wrote:

Tex wrote: Madonna - after Vouge

Van Halen - after David left (although I do like some Van Hagar tunes)

DM - after Violater

Motley Crue - after they stopped doing drugs

Sisqo - his follow up to Thong Song, Granny Panties, just didn't work out for him.....

I agree with you on DM, sadly. The first two post-Wilder albums were very weak, although Playing the Angel was rather good. Although Alan Wilder played on Songs of Faith and Devotion, he seemed absent from the album, kind of like Hooky's absense from Republic. Actually, SOFAD is a lot like Republic, for both albums followed what is considered the band's pinnacle of their work and are both considered artistic let downs. If the album had synths on it, it wouldn't have been bad, but the excessive, boring guitars and religious lyrics (they seem to have forgotten "Blasphemous Rumors") make it very sub-par to Violator. If you watch any live footage from that tour, aside from Dave looking strung out and Martin not setting foot near a keyboard, Alan looks like he wants to run off the stage and get the hell out of there. I don't really blame him, either.

I lucked into 2nd row seats for the SOFAD show at Reunion Arena in Dallas. A friend of mine bought them for me over the phone from Ticketmaster. I new they were on the floor, but I didn't know exactly where. So, I hand the tickets to the usher and he says, "follow me". We keep walking and walking and walking until we were at the 2nd freaking row. Pure luck.....

But I digress, Dave did look very freaky...

new order

Godley and Cream....

Who put Madonna down? You cant lose what you haven't got.

Steve One wrote: Who put Madonna down? You cant lose what you haven't got.

Like I explained earlier, home-girl had a modicum of cred over here. But since she went all Madge on us, not so much...

Tex wrote:

Steve One wrote: Who put Madonna down? You cant lose what you haven't got.

Like I explained earlier, home-girl had a modicum of cred over here.

Yes indeed, signed to Sire Records, home of the Ramones, Talking Heads, Saints, Pretenders, the Dead Boy, Undertones, Radio Birdman, etc.

Steve One wrote: Who put Madonna down? You cant lose what you haven't got.

If she had remained a mid-'80s pop star and faded like Debbie Gibson and Paula Abdul, then her loss of cred would be understandable. But instead, she does mostly awful movies, does children's books, preaches about Kabala, and still puts out albums and does shows, and she just sticks around without letting pop history take its course. She knew her time was up in the early '90s and for a few years, she remained irrelevant until that late '90s come back with Ray of Light and staring in Evita. I think everyone just wants her to shut up and retire.

This blue-eyed boy that wants to be wrote:

Steve One wrote: Who put Madonna down? You cant lose what you haven't got.

If she had remained a mid-'80s pop star and faded like Debbie Gibson and Paula Abdul, then her loss of cred would be understandable. But instead, she does mostly awful movies, does children's books, preaches about Kabala, and still puts out albums and does shows, and she just sticks around without letting pop history take its course. She knew her time was up in the early '90s and for a few years, she remained irrelevant until that late '90s come back with Ray of Light and staring in Evita. I think everyone just wants her to shut up and retire.

Dunno 'bout that, I thought Hung Up was ace, easily her best work, better than Justify My Love (released in the early 90s, when you claim her time was up) and Frozen, which were my previous favorites.

Comrade Shampanyov wrote:

This blue-eyed boy that wants to be wrote:

Steve One wrote: Who put Madonna down? You cant lose what you haven't got.

If she had remained a mid-'80s pop star and faded like Debbie Gibson and Paula Abdul, then her loss of cred would be understandable. But instead, she does mostly awful movies, does children's books, preaches about Kabala, and still puts out albums and does shows, and she just sticks around without letting pop history take its course. She knew her time was up in the early '90s and for a few years, she remained irrelevant until that late '90s come back with Ray of Light and staring in Evita. I think everyone just wants her to shut up and retire.

Dunno 'bout that, I thought Hung Up was ace, easily her best work, better than Justify My Love (released in the early 90s, when you claim her time was up) and Frozen, which were my previous favorites.

Agree that she lost cred in everything outside the music industry, but I find it amazing how she can still put out hits well into her late 40s. Agree with Comrade that Ray of Light was an excellent album, not much into pop so not sure on her newer releases, but the singles were definately catchy. To add she did release "Something to Remember" in 95, yes a greatest hits album, but the best grouping of songs I think that she has ever compiled.

Comrade Shampanyov wrote:

This blue-eyed boy that wants to be wrote:

Steve One wrote: Who put Madonna down? You cant lose what you haven't got.

If she had remained a mid-'80s pop star and faded like Debbie Gibson and Paula Abdul, then her loss of cred would be understandable. But instead, she does mostly awful movies, does children's books, preaches about Kabala, and still puts out albums and does shows, and she just sticks around without letting pop history take its course. She knew her time was up in the early '90s and for a few years, she remained irrelevant until that late '90s come back with Ray of Light and staring in Evita. I think everyone just wants her to shut up and retire.

Dunno 'bout that, I thought Hung Up was ace, easily her best work, better than Justify My Love (released in the early 90s, when you claim her time was up) and Frozen, which were my previous favorites.

Actually, I didn't think Hung up was bad (it would've been better with Dave Gahan or Neil tennant singing, though) but the album as a whole was dull. All songs had the same tempo and overdubs were all over the place. Considering Stephen Price was one of the producers, I was expecting a lot more than something that sounded like a snippet from a club playlist.

This blue-eyed boy that wants to be wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

Jiphy wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

Surely you can't hate: Some Great Reward People are People

Some of the early stuff I can understand, but those are top albums

The best tunes out of those are compiled elsewhere... It is enought for me. I tried to listen to these albums and I skipped almost every songs... By the way People are People has not been released in Europe.

Didn't know that...is there another album with the same songs rearranged? Kinda like a "louder than bombs" thing?

Not exactly. People are People and Catching up with Depeche Mode were released in the US to make DM as more popular than a club band. I believe People are People was their first real hit in the US. Their first three albums, I believe, weren't widely available in the US, and People are People shares several of the same songs as Construction Time Again: Love in itself, Told you so, Everything counts, and Pipeline. But it also has some b-sides on it and A Broken Frame song and Get the Balance right. Catching up with DM, which followed the next year, is more of a chronological singles compilation for the US.

By the way, thanks for the info. Always wondered why there were a few random songs from other albums, but it seemed that alot of it was "new". One mystery in my life is solved. Can now sleep better atnight.

Radiohead, for me anyways, when they stopped doing actual albums full of good songs and started putting out album-length "experimental" crap. It's rare for me to say that an artist "shouldn't" follow their muse, but I still can't listen to more than a few minutes of Hail to the Thief without chucking it in favor of OK Computer or The Bends

The Clash when they let Mick Jones go (but they got it back in retrospect because they were just a great, great band)

I would agree that REM lost their cred, but only after Bill Berry left. You couldn't get me to buy their post-97 albums if you had a gun pointed to my head.

Nirvana - was the box set really necessary? It just seemed like crass commercialism rather than a sober attempt to give something back to the fans (this coming from the guy who owns Retro, to be fair, but I got that for free thanks to Nic so stuff it )

Joy Division... if they use a new outside lead singer!

Guided By Voices... Robert Pollard has pretty much lost most of his cred from a decade ago with his absurd lack of self editing and self control, firing his band that gave him cred and putting out every thing he has ever recorded to tape, becoming a parody of himself

it all pretty subjective

EdelBrock wrote:

This blue-eyed boy that wants to be wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

Jiphy wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

Surely you can't hate: Some Great Reward People are People

Some of the early stuff I can understand, but those are top albums

The best tunes out of those are compiled elsewhere... It is enought for me. I tried to listen to these albums and I skipped almost every songs... By the way People are People has not been released in Europe.

Didn't know that...is there another album with the same songs rearranged? Kinda like a "louder than bombs" thing?

Not exactly. People are People and Catching up with Depeche Mode were released in the US to make DM as more popular than a club band. I believe People are People was their first real hit in the US. Their first three albums, I believe, weren't widely available in the US, and People are People shares several of the same songs as Construction Time Again: Love in itself, Told you so, Everything counts, and Pipeline. But it also has some b-sides on it and A Broken Frame song and Get the Balance right. Catching up with DM, which followed the next year, is more of a chronological singles compilation for the US.

By the way, thanks for the info. Always wondered why there were a few random songs from other albums, but it seemed that alot of it was "new". One mystery in my life is solved. Can now sleep better atnight.

It's just info I got from a DM discography. I had to explain this to a friend before who thought Catching up with DM was their first album. But, also, to be fair, before the re-releases, their albums from Speak and Spell to Some Great Reward, and even Black Celebration, were hard to find.

Dead Kennedys. They should have not reformed!

Not necessarily a band, but Alanis Morrissette was huge over here, selling double platnium or something like that with "jagged little pill". Listened to it today and it really isn't all that good. Amazing how almost every song on that album was a hit song on the radio.

Guess she did redefine the word "ironic" though.:dead:

[magenta]cozmonite61[/magenta] wrote: Dead Kennedys. They should have not reformed!

They didn't reform. If their dickhead genius frontman isn't there, then it's NOT DK.

Taboo # 7 wrote: Radiohead, for me anyways, when they stopped doing actual albums full of good songs and started putting out album-length "experimental" crap. It's rare for me to say that an artist "shouldn't" follow their muse, but I still can't listen to more than a few minutes of Hail to the Thief without chucking it in favor of OK Computer or The Bends

You are Joking? Kid A is superb,its one of those albums which seems to have the myth surrounding it that it crap tuneless songs,when its actually better than the Bends.

Fair enoungh Amnesiac,was patchy but still had some great stuff on it. Hail To The Thief was a return to form and a natural progression from Ok Computer.

Although The Bends is a good album,it was for me heading off into U2 territory. Pablo Honey however will always be shit.

Steve One wrote:

Taboo # 7 wrote: Radiohead, for me anyways, when they stopped doing actual albums full of good songs and started putting out album-length "experimental" crap. It's rare for me to say that an artist "shouldn't" follow their muse, but I still can't listen to more than a few minutes of Hail to the Thief without chucking it in favor of OK Computer or The Bends

You are Joking? Kid A is superb,its one of those albums which seems to have the myth surrounding it that it crap tuneless songs,when its actually better than the Bends.

Fair enoungh Amnesiac,was patchy but still had some great stuff on it. Hail To The Thief was a return to form and a natural progression from Ok Computer.

Although The Bends is a good album,it was for me heading off into U2 territory. Pablo Honey however will always be shit.

The only weak album is Amnesiac, which half the songs are close to unlistenable. But the Bends is great, and same with Pablo Honey......but I could see how it might not appeal to you if you started listening to RH after ok computer and were checking out the older albums. RH definately builds off the last album, and going back a few albums might not give you what you were expecting.

Christopher Owens wrote:

[magenta]cozmonite61[/magenta] wrote: Dead Kennedys. They should have not reformed!

They didn't reform. If their dickhead genius frontman isn't there, then it's NOT DK.

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Christopher Owens wrote:

[magenta]cozmonite61[/magenta] wrote: Dead Kennedys. They should have not reformed!

They didn't reform. If their dickhead genius frontman isn't there, then it's NOT DK.

True, but the three bandmates were too stupid to have that happen! Actually, I blame all four guys in destroying their cred. First, Jello skimmed them by not paying the others their royalties after increasing the price of the CDs. Then, the whole "reformation"... Some woman in a DK forum, who recently went to a concert, had the nerve to say, "Oh, I expected Jello to perform there, but the new guy was hot!"

Me: Screw you, Jeff Penalty!