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4 Apr 2007, 07:44

As I've been off ill, I finally managed to watch The Filth & The Fury yesterday.

Fookin great documentary, I have always preferred The Clash, but I'm now on a mission to pay more attention to the Pistols. On my way up to the Docs this arvo I had bollocks banging out my earphones.

I always liked the singles, VaCunt, Anarchy & GSTQ, but I have found masel giving the others preference since watching the film.

Is there anything Pistols related that anyone can recommend, looking for serious answers and no twatty one liners a la JAK.

:viking:

4 Apr 2007, 07:46

Ill? Faking bastard! :nod:

:evil4:

4 Apr 2007, 07:51

ShugZV wrote: As I've been off ill, I finally managed to watch The Filth & The Fury yesterday.

Qualidee documentary. From memory, you don't actually get to see any of the Pistols in the modern era though, do you? All the up-to-date interviews are just voiceovers, aren't they?

Loved the opening 30mins - was just a social history of 70's Britain, wasn't it?

You seen Rude Boy? Dreadful film but the footage of the Clash live in Battersea (or was it Clapham?) taken onstage is proper heart-stopping stuff!

I took out that Don Letts thing on rental recently. Can't remember the name, the punk documentary. Didn't warm to it though cos too much American stuff in there which you really can't relate to.

4 Apr 2007, 07:54

Did you not read the bit about twattish one liners? :brow:

I'm aff with a virus, no kidding involved whatsoever, you know how you feel when you wake up with a hangover, I'm like that all the bastard time. Blood test results next week. It shouldnae be anything to worry about......

Now back to the Sex Pistols please

4 Apr 2007, 07:55

PiL were miles better weren't they?

4 Apr 2007, 07:58

ally wrote: PiL were miles better weren't they?

Nah. PiL had some standard tracks, but too much filler on their albums. Pistols had plenty of filler, but at least all their filler was only 2mins20secs long!

And nothing beats Anarchy in the UK! :bow:

4 Apr 2007, 08:00

El Jarvo wrote:

ShugZV wrote: As I've been off ill, I finally managed to watch The Filth & The Fury yesterday.

Qualidee documentary. From memory, you don't actually get to see any of the Pistols in the modern era though, do you? All the up-to-date interviews are just voiceovers, aren't they?

Loved the opening 30mins - was just a social history of 70's Britain, wasn't it?

You seen Rude Boy? Dreadful film but the footage of the Clash live in Battersea (or was it Clapham?) taken onstage is proper heart-stopping stuff!

I took out that Don Letts thing on rental recently. Can't remember the name, the punk documentary. Didn't warm to it though cos too much American stuff in there which you really can't relate to.

:nod: There are constant interviews with all remaining members, but they are all "blacked out" which was quite amusing, the social history aspect was great, Lydon is ace when it comes to stuff like that.

As for Rude Boy, Garymac sent me loadsa Clash DVD's, him and ourkid were pals with Strummer over the years. Loved watching ALL of the Clash stuff. I thought the live London footag in the park was Finsbury.....will have to check that again!

I still prefer the Clash to the Pistols but want to learn more. I also have them playing Dallas and San Francisco from 78 (their last two gigs with Rotten I think) but I havnae watched them yet. In the middle of downloading Phoenix 96 from Dime and Italy 96 from Punktorrents.

4 Apr 2007, 08:02

ShugZV wrote:

Is there anything Pistols related that anyone can recommend, looking for serious answers and no twatty one liners a la JAK.

JAK won't be around for a while......

The Sex Box box set is good, lots of out-takes and instrumental rehearsal versions of songs, plus some live material and all kinds of shite.

4 Apr 2007, 08:04

oldmonkey wrote:

ShugZV wrote:

Is there anything Pistols related that anyone can recommend, looking for serious answers and no twatty one liners a la JAK.

The Sex Box box set is good, lots of out-takes and instrumental rehearsal versions of songs, plus some live material and all kinds of shite.

Just gonna have a wee look about for that now.......cheers

4 Apr 2007, 08:12

ShugZV wrote: Did you not read the bit about twattish one liners?

I'm aff with a virus, no kidding involved whatsoever, you know how you feel when you wake up with a hangover, I'm like that all the bastard time. Blood test results next week. It shouldnae be anything to worry about......

Now back to the Sex Pistols please

Sorry Shug, but you like you say, I'm a cunt.

Never saw the fuss over the pistols myself. They were good, and obviously groundbreaking, but Frank Sidebottom did Anarchy in the UK better.

credit to Steve Jones though for actually making them listenable!

4 Apr 2007, 08:13

El Jarvo wrote: Nah. PiL had some standard tracks, but too much filler on their albums.

True, I definitely had a few head scratching moments with some of PiL's work but I liked the fact they pushed the envelope a bit musically.

The Pistols often came off as a bit of a pantomime band but that's probably due to me taking them out of context by about 20 years. The singles still sound very potent obviously.

They never would've lasted as a long term band which is probably half the charm eh.

4 Apr 2007, 08:16

ally wrote: PiL were miles better weren't they?

Yep.

Sex Pistols had Anarchy, God Save the Queen, Pretty Vacant, Holiday in the Sun, No Feelings. All cracking tracks but nothing else noteworthy.

PiL had First Issue, Metal Box and Flowers of Romance. Classic albums which deserve regular listens.

Lydon is the man and Steve Jones is an underrated pub guitarist.

And The Clash were shit. :nod:

4 Apr 2007, 08:28

I'm on me way, downloading that Box Set that you mentioned Tim.

Also found a couple of other bootlegs that look good, Demos & Rarities & Live at the 76 Club.

Once I've got through my share of the Pistols, I will check out Pil, I have a couple of their singles, but again, I never bothered with any albums.

Cheers for the help peeps and nae worries Liam, it usually is sickies I pull.....but only when the Order are touring :D

4 Apr 2007, 08:30

Big Black wrote:

ally wrote: PiL were miles better weren't they?

And The Clash were shit.

10 Hail Mary's for that :nono:

:D

4 Apr 2007, 08:33

ShugZV wrote:

Big Black wrote:

ally wrote: PiL were miles better weren't they?

And The Clash were shit.

10 Hail Mary's for that

:D

So they were!

Great soundtrack for Levi's though.

4 Apr 2007, 08:34

ally wrote:

The Pistols often came off as a bit of a pantomime band

Lydon always said they were essentialy a pantomine band, but people took them seriously!

4 Apr 2007, 08:37

the rock n roll swindle soundtrack contains most of the good covers they did,, road runner and sids stuff,quality geeetar from steve,lost interest in releases after that as they were litterally flogging a dead horse.

that 96 reformation was hot though and a little miffed i missed em.

still prefer the clash though.

there is a rose i want to live for.

4 Apr 2007, 08:39

79 order wrote: the rock n roll swindle soundtrack contains most of the good covers they did,, road runner and sids stuff,quality geeetar from steve,lost interest in releases after that as they were litterally flogging a dead horse.

that 96 reformation was hot though and a little miffed i missed em.

still prefer the clash though.

there is a rose i want to live for.

Downloading Swindle as well

Grab what you can for fuck all....It's all in the spirit of Punk

4 Apr 2007, 09:39

Over-rated crap if i can say that! JUst dont get the connection between these & The Clash. Strummer & Co were good!

4 Apr 2007, 10:58

SHUG i just read a book about LYDON after his days in the SEX PISTOLS.It was superb and got me to check out ALBUM or CD as opposed to SINGLE.This album caused quite a stir ,PIL being accused of becoming another LED ZEPPELIN.Even GINGER BAKER(ex CREAM) played on some tracks.Nevertheless this is a superb ALBUM.Even though the SEX PISTOLS were about when i was YOUNGER i only ever listened to their singles but only own the odd one.By the time PIL came to the fore so did JOY DIVISION so music then was a good time for me.I was still listening to LED ZEPPELIN though! STAIRWAY to STANIWELL. :lol:

4 Apr 2007, 11:01

The Classic Album DVD series (most of those albums I don't wanna know), has one for the Pistols' Bollocks, and is quite good, recent interviews with most of the concerned parties including the producers. Bought it, and wasn't disappointed with it at all, the DVD case has a yellow cover like the UK album did.

INFO

4 Apr 2007, 11:01

:clap:

Another Rocket masterpiece.

What was the book called?

4 Apr 2007, 11:03

[darkgreen]Green[/darkgreen] wrote: The Classic Album DVD series (most of those albums I don't wanna know), has one for the Pistols' Bollocks, and is quite good, recent interviews with most of the concerned parties including the producers. Bought it, and wasn't disappointed with it at all, the DVD case has a yellow cover like the UK album did.

INFO

Nice one, I remember a TV documentary series on classic albums but missed this one.

Can you copy this for me mate? Needless to say I will send a couple of pressies back in return

4 Apr 2007, 11:08

ShugZV wrote:

Another Rocket masterpiece.

What was the book called?

John Lydon: The "Sex Pistols", Pil, and Anti-Celebrity

4 Apr 2007, 11:09

ShugZV wrote:

[darkgreen]Green[/darkgreen] wrote: The Classic Album DVD series (most of those albums I don't wanna know), has one for the Pistols' Bollocks, and is quite good, recent interviews with most of the concerned parties including the producers. Bought it, and wasn't disappointed with it at all, the DVD case has a yellow cover like the UK album did.

INFO

Nice one, I remember a TV documentary series on classic albums but missed this one.

Can you copy this for me mate? Needless to say I will send a couple of pressies back in return

sure thing....I'll try to get to it this weekend (never actually done anything like that but with Nero on my computer, a couple of :beer: .......and some finesse.... :computer2: how can I possibly fail? :evil4:

4 Apr 2007, 11:10

I COULD BE WRONG I COULD BE RIGHT

I COULD BE BLACK I COULD BE WHITE

Anger is an ENERGY

May the road RISE with YOU.

Such great words and very apt.......... THEY PUT AN HOTWIRE TO MY HEAD COS OF THE THINGS I DID AND SAID :lol:

4 Apr 2007, 11:40

It's worth getting the commercially available dvd of the Classic Albums rather than the tv version as it includes a few extras, notably the 'Play In A Day The Steve Jones Way' which is worth the price of the dvd by itself!

Also the documentary 'DOA' is well worth seeing - it includes footage from the Pistols USA tour, an interview with a totally spaced out Sid and totally obnoxious Nancy and the never to be forgotten Terry and the Idiots...anyone who's seen it will know why they're never to be forgotten!

And if you can get hold of it the London Weekend Show programme on punk is one to see as it contains one of the few televised interviews with the Pistols (and the Clash) before the Grundy show and subsequent notoriety.

4 Apr 2007, 11:40

[darkgreen]Green[/darkgreen] wrote:

ShugZV wrote:

[darkgreen]Green[/darkgreen] wrote: The Classic Album DVD series (most of those albums I don't wanna know), has one for the Pistols' Bollocks, and is quite good, recent interviews with most of the concerned parties including the producers. Bought it, and wasn't disappointed with it at all, the DVD case has a yellow cover like the UK album did.

INFO

Nice one, I remember a TV documentary series on classic albums but missed this one.

Can you copy this for me mate? Needless to say I will send a couple of pressies back in return

sure thing....I'll try to get to it this weekend (never actually done anything like that but with Nero on my computer, a couple of .......and some finesse.... how can I possibly fail?

Top man, in Nero you have a copy DVD to DVD function, just turn all other applications off, press the copy button and leave it alone for 15 minutes......piece of piss matey

I will mail you the morra, gotta dash as the football is just starting.

And Rocket, I will dig that book out. Chars!!!

4 Apr 2007, 14:37

Don't forget:

4 Apr 2007, 21:53

I love the Sex Pistols! I first heard them when I was 13 years old and I thought it was the most awesome music. I especially loved John Lydons voice and lyrics

Then a week later I discovered PIL and I loved PIL even more cause you could dance to it! I love both early PIL and later PIL.

To me, the Clash were a bunch of middle class posers pretending to be working class. I like thier songs a lot, but being that I come from a blue collar working class family, I am offended that the Clash pretended to be poor and working class.

Lydon was the real thing. He still is.

It was when I was 14 and watching a documentary called Punk and the Perfect Beat that I discovered New Order.

As much as I love the Pistols and PIL, for me, New Order were touched by the Hand of God. :)

It was the Pistols, PIL, and New Order that inspired me to make my own music.

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