Yer top 5 crap things about Britain

The weather (obviously) Crap beaches No skyscrapers Crap Sundays The way London tries to have a mediterranean cafe culture with tables and chairs outside in the middle of freezing fcuking December (it struck me as quite sad that, when i came home from sunnier climes one winter and saw all the empty tables outside cafes and bars.Um , hate to break this to you London , but , um, you haven't quite got warm enough weather for that culture..)

Is that 5 ?? i could go on....

Oh yeah , crap beaches.Did i already say that??

The Cure Corby Francis Wilson - sky weatherman HP in a plastic bottle Coathangers

DIGI MIKE don't yer know wrote: The Cure

Surprise surprise!!

Oh i forgot, slow car drivers.Why can't everyone race around like idiots like they do in India and Egypt , places like that

Amsterdam bars only put tables out when the weather is good enough. Dunno whether it's on a particular day of the year, but they all seem to do it on the same day. It's strange, the city is given over to pavement bar culture overnight.

Britain's cool. You can find things to knock about it, but overall it's okay. Some of the beaches are nice, even. In fact, I might go for a walk on the beach now!

Oh and shops closing at 5.30 PM.Why can't they stay open til midnight or even later like they do in Tel Aviv??

Milton Keynes Chavs No National Service ( bout time they brought it back i say)

Rain

Coldplay

Yob/chav 'culture'

Shit, and I mean embarrasingly shit, transport infrastrucuture, including speed cameras on deserted stretches of the M6 in Cumbria on Sunday mornings!

Coldplay

1. Chavs
2. scroungers
3. slow speed limit
4. lack of freedom
5. too many people who always moan about stuff (but not me obviously!)

TEENAGE PREGNANCYS, SEND M DOWN THE CLINIC FOREIGHERS, SORT IT OUT BEFORE ITS TO BLOODY LATE THE YOUTH OF TODAY, BEAT M ALL AND FLOG THE BAD ONES TAX...FUCKIN DISGRACE LABOUR, ENOUGH SAID BENEFITS, YES FOR THOSE WHO HAVE WORKED AND CONTRIBUTED NO CONTRIBUTION YOU GET FUCK ALL IRAQ, AFHGANISTAN AND WE HAVE THE BELOW PROBLEMS DUE TO LACK OF FUNDING A FUCKIN DISGRACE TONY BLAIR SHOULD BE ON TRIAL POLICING, ARM THEM ASAP OTHERWISE THE STREETS WILL BE LOST EDUCATION bring back the cane NURSING, instant 50% pay rise they bloody deserve it NHS SPEED CAMERAS PUBLIC SERVICES BEING TO PC HIT YOUR KIDS THEY MIGHT FUCKIN LEARN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WRONG & RIGHT ASBO'S FLOG THE OFFENDERS PRISON SENTENCING FUCKIN DOUBLE IT AND BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY MINIMUM WAGE HOW ARE YOU SUPPOST TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO WORK HOUSING DO UP ALL THE BOARDED ESTATES AND FLOG TROUBLE FAMILIES.b ID CARDS SOONER THE BETTER law abiders need not worry MOSQUES/TEMPLES/SHRINES FUCK M ALL OFF THIS IS ENGLAND

and finally DO BLOODY GOODERS who will probably moan about all the above...F&*K OFF

There's a job for you at the Mail mate.

Ponder this.....

The "send em home" policy, the thing is...WE started it...so we'd have to take back most of Austalia, a fair portion of Jesusland, and smatterings of half the planet.

I look at it this way....you want to live here cos you like our way of life, that's fine, welcome to your new home. You want to turn this country into your old country, fuck right off back there thanks.

Doctor? wrote:

I look at it this way....you want to live here cos you like our way of life, that's fine, welcome to your new home. You want to turn this country into your old country, fuck right off back there thanks.

This country is far to pc,

The council where i stay last year sent letters to business' asking them not to put up Christmas decos,in case it offended non-christians.Fuck off

I look at it this way....you want to live here cos you like our way of life, that's fine, welcome to your new home. You want to turn this country into your old country, fuck right off back there thanks.

Well put

Merseyside The South

Oh God, where to start? I'll probably have to edit this post as I think of lots more.

a. our rude and aggressive street culture - why do so many people in London (at least) seem to harbour a barely suppressed uncontrollable rage?

b. our eagerness to join in any war going, no matter how futile or stupid it is.

c. the insane cost of housing (I recently drooled with envy at a Yank friend who was thinking of buying a fantastic place in a maajor city over there, for the cost of a broom cupboard in London)

d. the way our economy is now almost totally dependent on the City and the financial sector, to a greater degree than any other country on earth (possibly in history). This is probably not unrelated to (c) - we don't make anything any more, we just shuffle debt around and sell and buy each other's houses. The whole house of cards may one day collapse.

e. The massive economic inequality and dismal social mobility.

PS I agree with the first poster about the London 'cafe culture' nonsense. But its not so much the weather that makes it stupid, its the fact that our streets are much narrower than those of Paris ('cos of Hausemann and avoiding barricades and all that). So you see these idiots sitting on the pavement with their cappuccinos while lorries thunder past just inches away, probably leaving a thin film of diesel particulate all over their coffee.

And this stupidity has only come about since the invasion of the yuppies following the de-regulation of the City. Up till then London had a declining population and was quite a pleasant place. Now its an overcrowded hellhole.

FATS wrote: TEENAGE PREGNANCYS, SEND M DOWN THE CLINIC FOREIGHERS, SORT IT OUT BEFORE ITS TO BLOODY LATE THE YOUTH OF TODAY, BEAT M ALL AND FLOG THE BAD ONES TAX...FUCKIN DISGRACE LABOUR, ENOUGH SAID BENEFITS, YES FOR THOSE WHO HAVE WORKED AND CONTRIBUTED NO CONTRIBUTION YOU GET FUCK ALL IRAQ, AFHGANISTAN AND WE HAVE THE BELOW PROBLEMS DUE TO LACK OF FUNDING A FUCKIN DISGRACE TONY BLAIR SHOULD BE ON TRIAL POLICING, ARM THEM ASAP OTHERWISE THE STREETS WILL BE LOST EDUCATION bring back the cane NURSING, instant 50% pay rise they bloody deserve it NHS SPEED CAMERAS PUBLIC SERVICES BEING TO PC HIT YOUR KIDS THEY MIGHT FUCKIN LEARN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WRONG & RIGHT ASBO'S FLOG THE OFFENDERS PRISON SENTENCING FUCKIN DOUBLE IT AND BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY MINIMUM WAGE HOW ARE YOU SUPPOST TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO WORK HOUSING DO UP ALL THE BOARDED ESTATES AND FLOG TROUBLE FAMILIES.b ID CARDS SOONER THE BETTER law abiders need not worry MOSQUES/TEMPLES/SHRINES FUCK M ALL OFF THIS IS ENGLAND

and finally DO BLOODY GOODERS who will probably moan about all the above...F&*K OFF

Some good points there , Jase.I'd forgotten about those aye

scallies chavs emos weather shit british indie bands such as "the pigeon detectives"

currency system of measurement cars drives on the wrong side drinking outside world cup 66, 3rd goal final

BUT I LOVE IT!

FATS wrote: ...you want to live here cos you like our way of life, that's fine

Reading your previous post left me with the impression that YOU don't like it much.

You gonna leave? Where you gonna go?

FATS wrote: TEENAGE PREGNANCYS, SEND M DOWN THE CLINIC FOREIGHERS, SORT IT OUT BEFORE ITS TO BLOODY LATE THE YOUTH OF TODAY, BEAT M ALL AND FLOG THE BAD ONES TAX...FUCKIN DISGRACE LABOUR, ENOUGH SAID BENEFITS, YES FOR THOSE WHO HAVE WORKED AND CONTRIBUTED NO CONTRIBUTION YOU GET FUCK ALL IRAQ, AFHGANISTAN AND WE HAVE THE BELOW PROBLEMS DUE TO LACK OF FUNDING A FUCKIN DISGRACE TONY BLAIR SHOULD BE ON TRIAL POLICING, ARM THEM ASAP OTHERWISE THE STREETS WILL BE LOST EDUCATION bring back the cane NURSING, instant 50% pay rise they bloody deserve it NHS SPEED CAMERAS PUBLIC SERVICES BEING TO PC HIT YOUR KIDS THEY MIGHT FUCKIN LEARN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WRONG & RIGHT ASBO'S FLOG THE OFFENDERS PRISON SENTENCING FUCKIN DOUBLE IT AND BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY MINIMUM WAGE HOW ARE YOU SUPPOST TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO WORK HOUSING DO UP ALL THE BOARDED ESTATES AND FLOG TROUBLE FAMILIES.b ID CARDS SOONER THE BETTER law abiders need not worry MOSQUES/TEMPLES/SHRINES FUCK M ALL OFF THIS IS ENGLAND

and finally DO BLOODY GOODERS who will probably moan about all the above...F&*K OFF

Ah yes, the bizarre mix of fire brand socialism (minimum wage, blair on trial etc etc) and richard littlejohn esque populism. Mixed, of course, with a lethal amount of Capital letters.

whats wrong with this country? people who cant decide if they're left wing, right wing, or somewhere in the middle.

That, and the continuing decline of the Great British Chippy. I blame the government myself.

BIGINOIL wrote:

FATS wrote: ...you want to live here cos you like our way of life, that's fine

Reading your previous post left me with the impression that YOU don't like it much.

You gonna leave? Where you gonna go?

Aberdeen, colin. Surely thats why you moved up there? Paradise and all that.

We've got a fuckin great chippy.

johnny wrote: The weather (obviously) Crap beaches No skyscrapers Crap Sundays The way London tries to have a mediterranean cafe culture with tables and chairs outside in the middle of freezing fcuking December (it struck me as quite sad that, when i came home from sunnier climes one winter and saw all the empty tables outside cafes and bars.Um , hate to break this to you London , but , um, you haven't quite got warm enough weather for that culture..)

Is that 5 ?? i could go on....

Oh yeah , crap beaches.Did i already say that??

well, obviously you havent been to london, and i hate most of them, the only ones i like is that swiss re, and thats about it

ooh, the architects and builders cannot build much of the skyscrapers, due to st paul's cathedral, such is the elegance of the building, i dont blame that rule being in place, i wanna see it all the time im in london, if not all, parts of it

1 dead expensive 2 miserably horrible people 3 rubbish girls, i mean im struggling to find a girlfriend here, they think to much of themselves 4 tax, tax, tax, stealth tax, vat, council tax, and you get rubbish police service, road works that dont get done in time 5 to much traffic, i mean guys and girls, this is only a small island, i dont want the countryside to be eaten up by new tarmac 6 im not a racist, but the immigration is welllllllll tooooooooo lapse, sort it out

7 this country just panders to political correctness to much, i mean, someone will be dying one day, and all they "ooh, we cant help u, its not politically correct, sorry" i mean like how sad a day if it comes to that

no skyscrapers doesn't seem so bad to me.

no skyscrapers doesn't seem so bad to me.

BIGINOIL wrote: We've got a fuckin great chippy.

I said it was Paradise!

The Atmosphere video

1. ridiculous amount of civic/regional competition
2. rough caste system
3. the press
4. chavs
5. inflated sense of global self-importance
6. only having 5 choices to complain about

Richie Soans wrote: 7 this country just panders to political correctness to much, i mean, someone will be dying one day, and all they "ooh, we cant help u, its not politically correct, sorry" i mean like how sad a day if it comes to that

That's kind of already happened hasn't it? There was an incident a few weeks back (or the court hearing was) about a young boy or girl who was drowning in a river and 2 policemen didn't wade in to rescue him/her because it was against police rules to do so.The child drowned.

His Holiness, The Pope wrote:

6. only having 5 choices to complain about

Feel free to add more , Popey

1. The Royal Family
2. BBC
3. The weather
4. drunks
5. small houses

Richie Soans wrote: 7 this country just panders to political correctness to much, i mean, someone will be dying one day, and all they "ooh, we cant help u, its not politically correct, sorry" i mean like how sad a day if it comes to that

Have you already forgotten the two cops who watched the kid drown a coupla weeks ago, cos they'd not been on their "saving drowning kiddies" course yet?

johnny wrote:

Richie Soans wrote: 7 this country just panders to political correctness to much, i mean, someone will be dying one day, and all they "ooh, we cant help u, its not politically correct, sorry" i mean like how sad a day if it comes to that

That's kind of already happened hasn't it? There was an incident a few weeks back (or the court hearing was) about a young boy or girl who was drowning in a river and 2 policemen didn't wade in to rescue him/her because it was against police rules to do so.The child drowned.

There was a guy who had his leg trapped in Tewkesbury in a rising flood. Someone arrived with the equipment to cut his foot off. Authorities said 'NO!, the water is polluted and will infect the wound'. So they let him drown instead.

El Jarvo wrote: This is indeed England, but that England does include mosques, etc, whether you like it or not.

I was trying to make sense of the original statement too..... Mentalist middle Eastern cult No.1=get out, Mentalist middle eastern cult No.2=get out, Mentalist middle eastern cult No.3=more tea vicar.

Surely Christianity is no less foreign than any of the others, one in all in, one out all out I say :D

To clarify what I said about feckin off if you want to make it your old country, I'm not opposed to folk hanging on to their culture, I just have no interest in taking part in it myself thanks.

[magenta]cozmonite61[/magenta] wrote:

1. The Royal Family
2. BBC
3. The weather
4. drunks
5. small houses

How very DARE you slag off the BBC you NTSC afflicted colonial! Stick around, it'll be just like Fox in ten years......but it'll still have better fleshtones!

BIGINOIL wrote:

We're back to "Maybe it's a big horse I'm a Londoner"

Doctor? wrote:

[magenta]cozmonite61[/magenta] wrote:

1. The Royal Family
2. BBC
3. The weather
4. drunks
5. small houses

How very DARE you slag off the BBC you NTSC afflicted colonial! Stick around, it'll be just like Fox in ten years......but it'll still have better fleshtones!

Agreed. Thought the BBC was the most respected broadcaster in the World, purely because its funded directly by the people, and to make money is not its main objective.

And whats wrong with drunks and small houses?

1. Rough caste system
2. Shops closing at 5 pm
3. Political tendency to welcome questionable radicals
4. Lack of England's own independent foreign politics Can't think of any other things.

Seppos who can't grasp the England does not equal Britain.

This thread...

:(

FATS wrote: TEENAGE PREGNANCYS, SEND M DOWN THE CLINIC FOREIGHERS, SORT IT OUT BEFORE ITS TO BLOODY LATE THE YOUTH OF TODAY, BEAT M ALL AND FLOG THE BAD ONES TAX...FUCKIN DISGRACE LABOUR, ENOUGH SAID BENEFITS, YES FOR THOSE WHO HAVE WORKED AND CONTRIBUTED NO CONTRIBUTION YOU GET FUCK ALL IRAQ, AFHGANISTAN AND WE HAVE THE BELOW PROBLEMS DUE TO LACK OF FUNDING A FUCKIN DISGRACE TONY BLAIR SHOULD BE ON TRIAL POLICING, ARM THEM ASAP OTHERWISE THE STREETS WILL BE LOST EDUCATION bring back the cane NURSING, instant 50% pay rise they bloody deserve it NHS SPEED CAMERAS PUBLIC SERVICES BEING TO PC HIT YOUR KIDS THEY MIGHT FUCKIN LEARN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WRONG & RIGHT ASBO'S FLOG THE OFFENDERS PRISON SENTENCING FUCKIN DOUBLE IT AND BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY MINIMUM WAGE HOW ARE YOU SUPPOST TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO WORK HOUSING DO UP ALL THE BOARDED ESTATES AND FLOG TROUBLE FAMILIES.b ID CARDS SOONER THE BETTER law abiders need not worry MOSQUES/TEMPLES/SHRINES FUCK M ALL OFF THIS IS ENGLAND

and finally DO BLOODY GOODERS who will probably moan about all the above...F&*K OFF

I believe Sparkbrook are looking for a new MP - interested? lol

I do have to disagree with your post in part though; speed cameras really are a good thing. How else can you judge how fast the stolen Merc can go? Really?

Nice one Jase

1. everything is closed on sundays
2. marmite
3. channel 5
4. the tube closing before midnight
5. crap sitcoms (the office excepted)

Nick King wrote: This thread...

:(

Good point , Nick.

I'm just in my anti Britain stage after being on holiday.I always get it , usually around a week after i get home.Thing is i couldn't really live anywhere else.If i ever moved abroad i'd just be thinking after a while is it time to go home yet? Just an automatic thing when i'm out of the country.However long i'm away be it 6 days or 6 months and even if i'm having the time of my life.Dunno how ex pats do it.. just have to have the temperament and mentality i guess but i haven't got that

johnny wrote:

Nick King wrote: This thread...

:(

Good point , Nick.

I'm just in my anti Britain stage after being on holiday.I always get it , usually around a week after i get home.Thing is i couldn't really live anywhere else.If i ever moved abroad i'd just be thinking after a while is it time to go home yet? Just an automatic thing when i'm out of the country.However long i'm away be it 6 days or 6 months and even if i'm having the time of my life.Dunno how ex pats do it.. just have to have the temperament and mentality i guess but i haven't got that

Nah, it wasn't your points raised, Johnny, I agree with most of them, it's other people's...

Doctor? wrote:

[magenta]cozmonite61[/magenta] wrote:

1. The Royal Family
2. BBC
3. The weather
4. drunks
5. small houses

How very DARE you slag off the BBC you NTSC afflicted colonial! Stick around, it'll be just like Fox in ten years......but it'll still have better fleshtones!

I don't like Fox, either. The reason why I mentioned it was because of the scandals involving with telethons and the fact that BBC News and BBC America are crap.

1. Coldshiteplay
2. Food
3. The King
4. Weather
5. People who hates The Cure

Andrès wrote:

1. Coldshiteplay
2. Food
3. The King
4. Weather
5. People who hates The Cure

There's a guy works down the chip shop - swears he's Elvis.

1. Chavs
2. Spongers
3. Benefit fraud
4. Compensation Claims
5. It doesn't snow like it used to

fuckin Rugby. no one likes it. but EVERYCUNTINTHECOUNTRY loves it when we beat the aussies.

felt like slammin this tit in the lift before. goin on about Rugby. hope the french twat us. shit invention.

fish cakes (aka savouries) from the Chippy.

what exactly are they?

:\pimp3:

who's that?

and what's that thing by his foot?

Dunno but judging by the pose he's just squeezed it out of his jacksie.

:\pimp3:

JPS wrote: no skyscrapers doesn't seem so bad to me.

That makes you a Skyscraper condemnation affiliate.

Cheers

Yob/chav culture Crap public transport Crap roads The weather Taxes - too high and too many of 'em

1. Robbie Williams
2. George O'Dowd
3. Mikey Craig
4. Roy Hay
5. All of the above

Indeed*!*

yeahh, forgot to mention to Robbie Williams.

James Thomas wrote: There's a guy works down the chip shop - swears he's Elvis.

think of something interesting to post in a minute

Sub-Cultured*!* wrote:

1. Robbie Williams
2. George O'Dowd 03. Mikey Craig
3. Roy Hay
4. All of the above

Indeed*!*

He is a top bloke, mini hac used to go to school with his son

There is ONE thing I cannot stand in Britain:

Videocameras everywhere (well hugely used in Britain compared to France). Said to be for your security, feeled spied all the time. I am not the kind of doing nasty things, but I feel paranoid with all this... And if you follow Jiphy's way of thinking : if there is a camera here, then, it means that the place is not safe, for there is one... Only one option left : run away !!!

And I read on the news today that the Minister of Interior wants to add 900 cameras to the French network.

That is living in democracy ? When everyone can be followed by Police spying devices, then you live in a dictatorship...

Jiphy wrote: There is ONE thing I cannot stand in Britain:

Videocameras everywhere (well hugely used in Britain compared to France). Said to be for your security, feeled spied all the time. I am not the kind of doing nasty things, but I feel paranoid with all this... And if you follow Jiphy's way of thinking : if there is a camera here, then, it means that the place is not safe, for there is one... Only one option left : run away !!!

And I read on the news today that the Minister of Interior wants to add 900 cameras to the French network.

That is living in democracy ? When everyone can be followed by Police spying devices, then you live in a dictatorship...

you must be parro pal!

whoever notices cameras, unless you're looking right at one.

1. The Daily (Hate) Mailand other tabloid newspapers/magazines
2. The general obsession with celebrity. Especially with clebrity weight and appearance.
3. The BNP
4. Certain peoples obsession with Diana's death (The Daily Express has at least one conspiracy theory on their front page each week)
5. The decline respect for those serving in the armed forces. This includes cuts in defence spending and force capability that results.

And much more.

1. Those funny little accents
2. They use funny words (like fag for a cigarette)
3. Fish and Chips
4. Bowler Hats
5. Think football means soccer

:p

I think the british government needs to replace hathrow with an enourmous sky scraper, something like taipei 101, but 3 times larger or something. No heathow means fewer planes in sky to crash into it (althought there would obviously still be Stanstead and Gatwick airports to service London)

Retroesque wrote: I think the british government needs to replace hathrow with an enourmous sky scraper, something like taipei 101, but 3 times larger or something. No heathow means fewer planes in sky to crash into it (althought there would obviously still be Stanstead and Gatwick airports to service London)

I dont think that Heathrows Spanish owners would be too pleased with that one. Also who would then be in charge of losing everyones luggage?

EdelBrock wrote:

1. Those funny little accents
2. They use funny words (like fag for a cigarette)
3. Fish and Chips
4. Bowler Hats
5. Think football means soccer

:p

You could turn that lot round for the States!

1. Those funny little accents.
2. They use funny words (like pants for trousers)
3. Ice Cream and Peanut Butter
4. Baseball caps
5. Think football means American football

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: Jemma...

that's more than enough...

Jeff..how can you list Jemma, shes one of Englands greatest assets

He loves me really FATS

(and thankyou, the cheque is in the post)

Missy Jem wrote: He loves me really FATS

(and thankyou, the cheque is in the post)

Jealousy always got the better of me :bag:

1. Ridiculous cost of living
2. The world's most confused attitude to education, where achievement in that field is simultaneously prized and despised - make your bloody minds up!
3. Irrational, religion-and-media-created hatred of women, children and young people
4. Rubbish wages
5. People who suggest stuff like what's below (I've removed the points I agree with for the purpose of this list): Fats, everything you're suggesting we should do is what caused half the problems in the UK in the first place! Get back to the Mail where you belong. Better still, grow up and step into the 21st century!

FATS wrote: TEENAGE PREGNANCYS, SEND M DOWN THE CLINIC FOREIGHERS, SORT IT OUT BEFORE ITS TO BLOODY LATE THE YOUTH OF TODAY, BEAT M ALL AND FLOG THE BAD ONES POLICING, ARM THEM ASAP OTHERWISE THE STREETS WILL BE LOST EDUCATION bring back the cane NHS SPEED CAMERAS BEING TO PC HIT YOUR KIDS THEY MIGHT FUCKIN LEARN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WRONG & RIGHT ASBO'S FLOG THE OFFENDERS BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY MINIMUM WAGE HOW ARE YOU SUPPOST TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO WORK HOUSING DO UP ALL THE BOARDED ESTATES AND FLOG TROUBLE FAMILIES.b ID CARDS SOONER THE BETTER law abiders need not worry MOSQUES/TEMPLES/SHRINES FUCK M ALL OFF THIS IS ENGLAND

and finally DO BLOODY GOODERS who will probably moan about all the above...F&*K OFF

FATS wrote: TEENAGE PREGNANCYS, SEND M DOWN THE CLINIC FOREIGHERS, SORT IT OUT BEFORE ITS TO BLOODY LATE THE YOUTH OF TODAY, BEAT M ALL AND FLOG THE BAD ONES TAX...FUCKIN DISGRACE LABOUR, ENOUGH SAID BENEFITS, YES FOR THOSE WHO HAVE WORKED AND CONTRIBUTED NO CONTRIBUTION YOU GET FUCK ALL IRAQ, AFHGANISTAN AND WE HAVE THE BELOW PROBLEMS DUE TO LACK OF FUNDING A FUCKIN DISGRACE TONY BLAIR SHOULD BE ON TRIAL POLICING, ARM THEM ASAP OTHERWISE THE STREETS WILL BE LOST EDUCATION bring back the cane NURSING, instant 50% pay rise they bloody deserve it NHS SPEED CAMERAS PUBLIC SERVICES BEING TO PC HIT YOUR KIDS THEY MIGHT FUCKIN LEARN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WRONG & RIGHT ASBO'S FLOG THE OFFENDERS PRISON SENTENCING FUCKIN DOUBLE IT AND BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY MINIMUM WAGE HOW ARE YOU SUPPOST TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO WORK HOUSING DO UP ALL THE BOARDED ESTATES AND FLOG TROUBLE FAMILIES.b ID CARDS SOONER THE BETTER law abiders need not worry MOSQUES/TEMPLES/SHRINES FUCK M ALL OFF THIS IS ENGLAND

and finally DO BLOODY GOODERS who will probably moan about all the above...F&*K OFF

I sat reading this thinking it was pretty funny as satire then the horrible realisation struck me that it wasn't/isn't! So...

1. Little En-ger-landers and their right wing cohorts espousing truly offensive and idiotic racist sexist homophobic self delusional utter utter shite which has been consistently and conscientiously disproven generation after generation since at least the time Hobbes was espousing the same dismal crap sometime in the mid 17th Century.

2. The SNP, Plaid Cymru, and Sinn Féin, they wish to take a step backwards into narrow parochialism and nationalism, and are the acceptable face, and font of, racist ideologies. Simple mind pictures for simpletons (this is NOT thought/thinking in any meaningful sense).

3. Rich bastards pocketing millions in tax avoidance and tax evasion, while ignoramus's attack the genuine poor on measly state benefits. A vast amount of which goes unclaimed due to purposeful complexity, and social stigma. Tax avoidance/evasion costs the country far far more than benefit fraud.

4. The idea that we have to support "our boys/troops" no matter what, even if they are killing and maiming wholly innocent civilians to line the pockets of of oil barons and their political allies. If your thick enough to join the army be seduced by the idea of killing, hell slap it into you!

5. Thoughtlessness, avoidance of any and all critical thinking and the need for proof before belief. This applies to so many people in so many ways that it'd be tedious to try to provide a comprehensive list. But for starters it'd include those who flaunt their narrow, simple minded prejudices, behind a thin veneer of being cool and anti PC, and 99.9% of politicians, political parties, and people expressing political views. It would also include believers in ghosts, telepathy, mediums, the multitude of afterlife/s, esp, "psychic phenomena", ufo's (as extraterrestrial craft), crop circles, etc etc Ad nauseam.

4. The idea that we have to support "our boys/troops" no matter what, even if they are killing and maiming wholly innocent civilians to line the pockets of of oil barons and their political allies. If your thick enough to join the army be seduced by the idea of killing, hell slap it into you!

Who's killing "wholly innocent civilians"?

I have never met anyone that joined because they wanted to kill someone.....

this is by far one of the assinine posts I have seen in awhile... Sort yer shit out before you post MIMX

EdelBrock wrote:

...that joined because they wanted to kill someone.....

Edel, this is stuck in my head. Help me, if you can. I respect military as professionals who are meant to do "dirty" job, i.e. keep our country safe. At the same time, I am acutely aware, that job includes killing, i.e. who joins the army/af/etc. must have inclination towards it (normally people hardly would think of killing as profession, right?).

So the readiness to kill and die must be in the mindset of a person who goes military. From this point of view it's understandable if soldiers kill innocent people (in the war, mind you), that's part of that risky job, part of nature of war, and they follow the orders.

EdelBrock wrote:

4. The idea that we have to support "our boys/troops" no matter what, even if they are killing and maiming wholly innocent civilians to line the pockets of of oil barons and their political allies. If your thick enough to join the army be seduced by the idea of killing, hell slap it into you!

Who's killing "wholly innocent civilians"?

I have never met anyone that joined because they wanted to kill someone.....

this is by far one of the assinine posts I have seen in awhile... Sort yer shit out before you post MIMX

asinine not assinine. And take a fucking look in the mirror mate!

You once accused me of "bitching and moaning" because I brought up the FACT that 5 million children die each and every year for want of clean safe drinking water, while countless billions and massive effort is spent killing wholly innocent civilians. Totally unacceptable to any sane thinking human being!

See what I mean about uncritical thinking people.

I've never met anyone (other than those of an older generation who joined up to fight fascism) who joined the armed forces who wasn't seduced by the idea of killing, or being/becoming a "hard man".

ect ect ect Ad nauseam.U.S Soldiers Kill Children In Cowardly Attack (ps link works, and it's the 2nd story if you've a reading disability).

I find it amazing how you can say this:

1. Little En-ger-landers and their right wing cohorts espousing truly offensive and idiotic racist sexist homophobic self delusional

and then turn around and say:

I've never met anyone (other than those of an older generation who joined up to fight fascism) who joined the armed forces who wasn't seduced by the idea of killing, or being/becoming a "hard man".

Somehow you condemn absent-minded bigotry in one way, but condone it in another... make up yer mind...

and my guess is that you've never met anyone in or from the military... only watched it on tv from yer armchair.

Fck off... it easier that way...

if yer going to post a link make sure it works first, maybe? and how do those pictures show "yer boys" killing innocent civilians?

Wrong yet again!

My maternal Grandfather (whom I was extremely close to) was a Drill Sergeant, who was decorated for his part in "Market Garden", and helped liberate many towns in Holland, for which he had the eternal gratitude of many Dutchmen, and women.

His brother, my great uncle, was decorated for serving in Burma, before his capture by the Japanese and forced labour on the notorious Burma, or death railway. Where he lost most of his fingers.

My paternal Grandfather lost an arm in WW1, and as a result died before I was born. One of his sons, my uncle, was killed coming home on the last British sub the Germans sunk. His brother, my uncle (who I was also close to, and whose funeral I attended on Oct 31st) was in the RAF and served with distinction in Malta.

When I was a schoolboy most of my pals wanted to join up(partly, to escape the grinding poverty Thatcher engendered) but mostly to kill, to be perceived as a "hard man". They all wanted to be para's or marines, none wanted to join the Royal Engineers, or other more constructive branches of the armed forces. Of those who singed on 1 committed suicide, and the rest became either junkies or alcoholics. They'd boast of glue sniffing, dropping acid, taking mushrooms etc while on active service. Scary: daft wee boys out their heads while in charge of lethal weaponry.

By the way I'm no pacifist, and unlike many socialists I know, think WW2 and fascism/the Nazi's had to be fought. And I'd certainly have fought the twisted evil fucks. Thank fuck the Red Army (of the non-socialist non-communist USSR) and their tanks saved us all!

I'll leave the last word to Jake, who thankfully brought me to my senses, before I committed the same gross error.

So let me get this straight.... you knew and loved those who chose to serve to defend their country.... you also knew a couple rejects who joined for the wrong reasons... so instead of seeing that your family members are like the majority that join and see the rejects as rejects, you're going to seperate them by time periods?

I was in the Marine Corps for 10 years. I've been in charge of countless men. Granted there are those that joined to be 'bad-asses', but they are in the minority... not only that they are also ones that never really have the ability to adapt, and usually get in alot of trouble, get kicked out or at least never really advance as they just don't fit...

I will take back my insult if you at least consider revising your thought about those in uniform....

We don't 'enjoy' killing people... no one does... granted there is an image that is put forth, but it is that... and image is not reality.... why do you think there are so many cases of PTSD when soldiers come home?

and no, they are not out killing innocents....

MIMX has rapidly turned into my favourite poster. Kudos.

Back to jolly old EE-RACK. Was at a conference a week or two ago where someone was giving a paper about her experiences interviewing US Gulf veterans about their experiences in Iraq/Afghanistan. She was telling us about one guy who explained that current policy for US military personnel driving vehicles in certain sections of Iraq is to not brake if children walk into the road lest they're being used (as they have apparently been in numerous incidents) to slow down a convoy prior to an 'insurgent' attack.

He reckoned that after he'd seen the fourth or fifth infant systematically splattered all over the road he began to doubt what the US was doing in that part of the world....

Or is there no such thing as "innocent civilians"?

EdelBrock wrote:

...and no, they are not out killing innocents....

What these non-innocents:

MIMX wrote: U.S Soldiers Kill Children In Cowardly Attack

I have already said proof should be a prerequisite for belief, but it also seems that when many are given absolute concrete proof, they still cling to their unfounded airy fairy belief.

EdelBrock wrote: So let me get this straight.... you knew and loved those who chose to serve to defend their country.... you also knew a couple rejects who joined for the wrong reasons... so instead of seeing that your family members are like the majority that join and see the rejects as rejects, you're going to seperate them by time periods?

Ah the famed reading disability strikes again...

MIMX wrote: I've never met anyone (other than those of an older generation who joined up to fight fascism) who joined the armed forces who wasn't seduced by the idea of killing, or being/becoming a "hard man".

They didn't join up to defend "their country" (like all members of the working class they have no country, own no land, country piles, or means of production), they joined up to fight Facism! As for my mates being "rejects" better a reject by far than an American Banker! (Or something that rhymes with it).

PS Thank you Doctor Clayhead.

PPS Shug's post reminded me to add Celtic FC and Scottish Irishmen :p (Or maybe, as someone suggested in another post, in Shug's case English Scottish Irishmen...)

BIGINOIL wrote: We've got a fuckin great chippy.

same here. Liverpool chippys are boss. Manny ones are shite. no selection. you cannot get a liver dinner in a manny chippy. In fact, Liverpool chippy's are by far the best in the country. I know.

MIMX wrote: 3. Rich bastards pocketing millions in tax avoidance and tax evasion, while ignoramus's attack the genuine poor on measly state benefits. A vast amount of which goes unclaimed due to purposeful complexity, and social stigma. Tax avoidance/evasion costs the country far far more than benefit fraud.

That is not, sadly, something special to Britain.

And in my opinion the "rich bastards pocketing millions in tax avoidance and tax evasion" is a much more efficient Internationale than the Socialist one. But, quite curiously, there is no Containtment policy to stop them.

King John Honest John wrote:

In fact, Liverpool chippy's are by far the best in the country.

Naw naw, best chip shop in the UK: The Anstruther Fish Bar. Hellavua distance to go for a single sausage supper but...

Doctor Clayhead wrote: MIMX has rapidly turned into my favourite poster. Kudos.

Seconded - a quality post by MIMX

EdelBrock wrote: Who's killing "wholly innocent civilians"?

Everyone does.

My grandfather, 87 years old, begins to get very old. Let's say that he reached an age when you do remember better what you did when you were 20 than what you did yesterday. Last time, he told me, crying like a child who wishes to be forgiven, what he did at the beginning of the war. The order was given to leave the port of Toulon and to head towards Genova in order to destroy Genova's Italian Fleet. When they arrived, the order was the following : "feu à volonté". They sunk most of the boats in the "most honorable art of war", but, as they still had ammunitions, they bombed everything they could, including civil targets. He told me, crying, "I ordered to bomb a civilian train steaming on a bridge and, short after the dust of the impact disappeared, I could see that nothing was remaining of the train and of the bridge." That was his first experience with war.

Jiphy wrote:

MIMX wrote: 3. Rich bastards pocketing millions in tax avoidance and tax evasion, while ignoramus's attack the genuine poor on measly state benefits. A vast amount of which goes unclaimed due to purposeful complexity, and social stigma. Tax avoidance/evasion costs the country far far more than benefit fraud.

That is not, sadly, something special to Britain.

And in my opinion the "rich bastards pocketing millions in tax avoidance and tax evasion" is a much more efficient Internationale than the Socialist one. But, quite curiously, there is no Containtment policy to stop them.

Which non-Socialist non-Communist International are you referring too (and why)?

The 2nd? With the worst thing that ever happened to Socialism that pseudo-intellectual non-democratic murdering bastard Lenin as a member? (Although Rosa Luxembourg, one of the many who imediatley said that what was happening in Russia in 1917 had nothing to do with socialism/communism, was also a member). Or the 3rd ran by the State Capitalist USSR? (Communist/Socialist State: the definition of oxymoron). Or Trotsky's non-Socialist non-Communist 4th?

Or some other incarnation/joke of an International?

Nick King wrote:

Doctor Clayhead wrote: MIMX has rapidly turned into my favourite poster. Kudos.

Seconded - a quality post by MIMX

Much mare a this an' ma heid'll no get oot ra door.

But It's good to know I'm not totally wasting my time, when I'm forced into political posting.

Although it can be convincingly argued that all actions are political, unless you live in splendid isolation on a mythic desert island.

(Aye right, shut up. Don't waste it by ranting on & on. Time I learned when to keep ma mouth shut).

Al Murray wrote:

Nick King wrote:

Doctor Clayhead wrote: MIMX has rapidly turned into my favourite poster. Kudos.

Seconded - a quality post by MIMX

Thirded.

I remember reading FATS' post at the time and hoping some achingly funny punchline would materialise but no such luck. Just a load of hard right bile that - directly or indirectly - discriminates against anyone who is not your average, English white male.

Just a boring, xenophobic, stereotypical, deadly dull rant by yet another little Englander with a chip on his shoulder.

Well done MIMX

That's me stuck in the hoose fir a fortnight!

Thank fuck I was beginning to think that for some unfathomable reason only narrow minded bigots, who obviously ignore NO's lyrics or "get these words wrong every time" listened to them, or at least post on here. It's good to know I'm not alone.

EdelBrock wrote: and my guess is that you've never met anyone in or from the military... only watched it on tv from yer armchair.

NOTE : This has nothing against Edel. It is just what he said that I find interesting.

Note also, that I will also try to answer to Ian about militaries.

Just like Ian, I think that a professional army has to be made of people ready to do dirty jobs like killing. This is the reason they are given weapons, right ? We can see a weapon under two different lights.

1. Defensive weapon.
2. Offensive weapon. What can we say ? Both are intented to kill, to defend or to attack, but the final goal is to kill.

As you may have already noticed, I am a citizen of this little arrogant country which seats at the permanent council of the United Nations. And unlike in the two Western democracies which lead our ways, National Service was a duty until 1996. Lucky as I am, I did it in 1994. My grandfather was very proud. Mind, he spent his life in the army. He has French medails (nothing special for a Frenchman), British medails (as he joined the Free French in England - still smokes Player's Navy Cut from time to time) and even an American one, yes Sir !

Well, by a morning of October, I found myself in barracks in the Alps. Burt, if you read this, the Laibach video made me laugh as I remembered how we enjoyed to sing this tune by this time... Yes, I had a weapon in my hands. Yes I did things I find rather stupid because I was wearing an uniform. Lucky as I am, I was in a High Montain Combat Company - not sexy as Marines, isn't it ? And it came a day when we were asked whether we wanted to go in Sarajevo or not. I said no. No, because as blue helmet, you have the rifle, but you cannot shoot the fascist doing his business in front of you. I say, in this case, and in this case only, I am ready to pull the trigger. Otherwise I hate guns. That is what I liked the less during this time : loving my famas like it was my wife. Bloody cunts ! As I refused, they wanted to get rid of me. But as I speak slavic languages, they could not sent me in a boring place where I could rest until the end of my duty. They sent to the Headquarters in Paris ! Bastards ! No, I am kidding, that was interesting. Like one colonel told me one day. "As you can see, we are between gentlemen here. This is not like in barracks, where most of the professionals are stupid cunts. I evaluate the amount of cunts at 80%. But we do really need them". What did I have to say ? And then he added. "When your cause is not worth it, don't think. In the army, thinking is already betraying. The only hope you've got is to serve an officer who is able to say no to an inhuman order."

All of Yorkshire.

thicko's in dem der paarts.

MIMX wrote: Which non-Socialist non-Communist International are you referring too (and why)?

I have to improve in English.

I was referring to the first one if we may say so. The Capitalist one. Unlike Socialist or Communist ones, it has not to have a leader, like the ones you were talking. No, this is more a "nowhere to be seen club", a kind of think-tank.

It promotes itself with great efficiancy since the genesis of the industrial era. It began with religion. "You shalst be honored to be son of God and exploited by someone who shares his bread with you". On this point, the French Revolution shows that it has nothing to do with political regimes. This revolution was a revolution of bourgeois for the benefit of the bourgeois. The only real revolution was la Commune. Mind, UK is by definition a Kingdom, it does not annoy capitalism. Capitalism feels home everywhere like in dictatorships, democracies, kingdoms and even in communist countries (NEP in USSR, Hungarian goulash communism and not the least PR of China). Religion is a bit out of fashion. In some emerging countries, it is seen as conservative ! Too generous in favour of the people ! Now, the banksters need another more glamourous way to promote their stuff. The self-made man, the "do it yourself", the myth of the individual superior to all the other individuals with its hall of fame published in Forbes. And even if these people seem mighty to us, they are simply the puppets of a system that evoluates permanently.

Chris, thank you for your post. I've met and trained with all the branches of US service and many other foreign countries' services. People in general are peace loving. Killing is not fun, and I've never seen anyone do it out of enjoyment. I think that stereotype comes from people that, and rightfully so, couldn't kill another human and have trouble understanding how one can do so.

On the 'babies splattered on the windshield', well I can't say that never happened as I was never there for that and I never heard any order like that. Something like that would have to be the policy of a small unit commander... that definately wouldn't be a large unit policy. The military truly is afraid of bad press, it does us no good in getting the job done. So there are extra measures and rules/regulations to ensure that bad practices don't start. Orders like that could get that unit commander in alot of trouble.

Jiphy you did make a good point. If you put 100,000 people in a country there will be a certian percentage of idiots. We do our best to weed all them out, but there are some that slip through... every profession has this percentage. I would guess this percentage is under 10%... and the unfortunate thing is that this small percentage ruin the reputation of the over 90% that do thier job professionally day in and day out.

MIMX, I had no intention of insulting your friends... I thought you were doing that yourself, so I was only in agreence... Also you have to understand war is a VERY political machine. Somethings that make the press are true, and some are politically driven. Haditha is a very difficult to understand, where truth starts and politics begins. These things aren't cut and dried, as there are high individuals that are out for people's heads and there are others trying to cover up facts... both are impeeding progress... both have their personal agendas, and both try to cover their tracks well... if we could somehow get the politics off the battlefield, so much more could be accomplished...

Shug wrote:

MIMX wrote:

PPS Shug's post reminded me to add Celtic FC and Scottish Irishmen :p (Or maybe, as someone suggested in another post, in Shug's case English Scottish Irishmen...)

You forgot the Scottish Englishmen

MON THE HOOPS

There's nae English blood in ma veins mate! Scots, American Indian (Chippewa), & even a drap of Irish, but nae English. (Nae wonder I've a fondness fir whisky!)

An' as you might a' noticed am nae bloody royalist.

But yer right: Scottish Englishmen. An' Irish Brits, An' lets no forget English Scotsmen (like Rod Stewart fir instance). AWAY RA GERS!

King John Honest John wrote: All of Yorkshire.

thicko's in dem der paarts.

STFU yer scouse C*nt!

Ever been to Yorkshire?

Whats Scouseland got part from a load of smackrat,giro chav boys?

Dockers clinging on to their socialist beliefs?

European capital of cunture more like!

Chris Nash wrote:

P.S. MIMX - The Scots make up 75% of our best, most skilled and DISCIPLINED Regiment :)

And...?

Of course they are.

The Scots have always made the most effective lethal battle hardened soldiers in the British army.

Nowhere did I suggest otherwise.

Jiphy wrote:

I have to improve in English.

Or we should learn French! I think something was lost in translation: the 1st International as capitalist? The international founded by Marx and Engels, before being overrun by anarchists.

But you made some interesting points...

Jiphy wrote: The only real revolution was la Commune

True, but bombs and bullets, does not a revolution make! Although you rightly point out that most revolutions put the capitalist class in power.

Only the democratic action of a majority make a revolution.

(Or at least a socialist/communist revolution).

EdelBrock wrote:

Also you have to understand war is a VERY political machine.

I fully appreciate that war is the pursuance of politics by other means.

It's just a means I have no time for. (Except in a very few specific cases:like stopping the Nazi's).

The Ends NEVER justify the Means. For anyone with a truly ethical outlook the means are the ends.

EdelBrock wrote: ...if we could somehow get the politics off the battlefield, so much more could be accomplished...

Eh? You wit? Aye war without politics, that must be like living without a heart or nervous system. Or like sunshine without a star (yes our sun is a star),eh?

Shug wrote:

Dunfermline and Glasgee. Nae English blood in my veins either

Aye man a ken Dunfermline, bit where's this Glasgee place?

I wizz born an' bred in Glasgow, (or as us Glaswegians sometimes call it Glesga).

But this Glasgee place is a mystery tay me! :D

MIMX wrote: I think something was lost in translation: the 1st International as capitalist?

I reckon Jiphy meant 'capitalist' as in "Der Kapital", Marx's principal work that inspired the entire movement along with the Manifesto.

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MIMX wrote: I think something was lost in translation: the 1st International as capitalist?

I reckon Jiphy meant 'capitalist' as in "Der Kapital", Marx's principal work that inspired the entire movement along with the Manifesto.

Aye, maybe. But you meant Das Kapital: and unlike most people I've actually read it. No really an enjoyable read and Marx hated writing it, he wrote to Engels about having "to wade through economic filth" in order to finish it. "The German Ideology" is a far better read.

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MIMX wrote: I think something was lost in translation: the 1st International as capitalist?

I reckon Jiphy meant 'capitalist' as in "Der Kapital", Marx's principal work that inspired the entire movement along with the Manifesto.

That's it ! Das Kapital is everything but not a nationalist.

Chris Nash wrote: I hated Das Kapital. Even worse, I hate the fact that I found Mein Kampf interesting :(

XXth century's bibles...

Jiphy wrote:

Chris Nash wrote: I hated Das Kapital. Even worse, I hate the fact that I found Mein Kampf interesting :(

XXth century's bibles...

MIMX wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

Also you have to understand war is a VERY political machine.

I fully appreciate that war is the pursuance of politics by other means.

It's just a means I have no time for. (Except in a very few specific cases:like stopping the Nazi's).

The Ends NEVER justify the Means. For anyone with a truly ethical outlook the means are the ends.

EdelBrock wrote: ...if we could somehow get the politics off the battlefield, so much more could be accomplished...

Eh? You wit? Aye war without politics, that must be like living without a heart or nervous system. Or like sunshine without a star (yes our sun is a star),eh?

I wasn't talking about politics in macro scale, in that case war is obviously politically driven. I am discussing politics on the a more day to day basis, on individaul actions, and specific events... specifically directed at certian individuals that are lower on the totem pole... but then I guess you already knew this and are only trying to twist my words...

and to say "The Ends NEVER justify the Means." is a completely over-simplified understanding of world politics... if that were the case, there would NEVER be a reason to go to war... to which you already stated there is...

There's good theory, and there is how the world works... and never the two seem to match... not something I like, but nothing a post on a fan-based website will ever change, now will it?

EdelBrock wrote:

... but then I guess you already knew this and are only trying to twist my words...

I have absolutely no need, or desire, to twist your words. I believe in free speech and clarity of opinion.

In this vein maybe you know what you meant/mean by the above post, but I'm afraid whatever point you were trying to make eludes me!

PS I've no intention of being drawn into an argument with you every time I post, so feel free to post your right wing propaganda and excuses for slaughtering innocent children for oil. (While ignoring the proof that stares you in the face).

So on you go, blissfully and wilfully ignore the facts.

There you are, just pretend for the 3rd time that these children (and the 1000's upon 1000's of other children) deserved this...

El Jarvo wrote:

MIMX wrote: There you are, just pretend for the 3rd time that these children (and the 1000's upon 1000's of other children) deserved this...

Blimey, MIMX, I do not see how this is now adding anything whatsoever.

That is the 3rd time you've felt the need to post pictures of dead children.

Surely once was enough? I think we all get the message. You're starting to dilute your original points now.

"I think we all get the message" no quite...

MIMX wrote: There you are, just pretend for the 3rd time that these children (and the 1000's upon 1000's of other children) deserved this...

And this gives me the excuse of posting this for the umpteenth time...

MIMX, yer posts don't even line up to a single point... first you want to claim all 'your boys" are blood thirsty bastards hell bent on killing women and children... then you want to go off on some sort of tangent of oil for lives... and then a "save the children" cry. If you don't like the current war, than so be it, but that doesn't mean all soldiers are bloodthirsty animals. That's not rightwing propoganda, its simply pointing out that yer basing your view on a stereotype that is as bad as racism, etc.

Fuck me, how could anyone think this is a serious "cry to save the children"!

Beggars belief....

(Or on 2nd thoughts, maybe no, for those hard of understanding, basic reading/interpretation skills).

I REPEAT!

MIMX wrote: I've no intention of being drawn into an argument with you every time I post

I'm begining to understand what being stalked is like!

Away an' gies peace!

EdelBrock wrote: That's not rightwing propoganda, its simply pointing out that yer basing your view on a stereotype that is as bad as racism, etc.

Military bashing is not as bad as racism. Need I remind you that a national military has almost always been on the side of hegemony? The nation's power structures are firmly in favor of the military, unlike the victims of racism.

MIMX wrote:

Chris Nash wrote:

P.S. MIMX - The Scots make up 75% of our best, most skilled and DISCIPLINED Regiment :)

And...?

Of course they are.

The Scots have always made the most effective lethal battle hardened soldiers in the British army.

Nowhere did I suggest otherwise.

Which Regiment ? Are these accolades not just part of the army's strategy,to justify what the top brass view as frontline cannon fodder?

And yes,ofcourse it's all bullshit..I feel sorry for the lads in the forces,brainwashed or otherwise..Not many wars are just,nowadays are they?

I'm sure many lads who join up don't have a clue that they are to be pawns in politician's agendas,they learn that later,if at all..Iraq case in point.Profoundly wrong all the same...

Will history have,in twenty,fifty years time,all these soldiers full of remorse,saying "I was following orders,I'm so sorry now.."like all the ex-nazis did? I dunno,as we know the victors tend to write the history..But wrong is still wrong,however you look at it...And it would take massive bollocks for an active serving soldier, to turn round and say to his commander,"Fuck you daft cunt,I aint got no quarrel with them Viet Kong" or words to that effect,when he knows in his heart it is all ultimately,evil.It's the army's job to keep that secret from them.Very hard thing to do for the army now,as opposed to the past,when information on EVERYTHING is so much more readily available,and people can more easily form their own informed views on anything ..If they want to,that is.Ofcourse the army brass is given a job to do by their boss,which brings us back to that cunt,Bush specifically...Like one down the pub this is...Never gets resolved!

Everyone who fought the Nazis were heros mind,and I thank them eternally for it..Massive pride there.

Boatraceface wrote:

MIMX wrote:

Chris Nash wrote:

P.S. MIMX - The Scots make up 75% of our best, most skilled and DISCIPLINED Regiment :)

And...?

Of course they are.

The Scots have always made the most effective lethal battle hardened soldiers in the British army.

Nowhere did I suggest otherwise.

I'm sure many lads who join up don't have a clue that they are to be pawns in politician's agendas,they learn that later,if at all..Iraq case in point.Profoundly wrong all the same...

I would imagine that relatively few soldiers join up because they actually want to kill people. It's more a matter of economic survival.

As long as capitalist governments continue to perpetuate such stark economic imbalance, there will always be young people willing to join the military's ranks to achieve some measure of capital--even if it is at the risk of being put in situations where killing people (innocent or not) is a possibility.

Too bad wars like Iraq are just waged to make the rich richer and create a greater economic divide. But sell people on the idea of patriotism and a fear of brown skinned heathens and you've got a self-perpetuating shitstorm.

Boatraceface wrote:

Which Regiment ? Are these accolades not just part of the army's strategy,to justify what the top brass view as frontline cannon fodder?

And yes,ofcourse it's all bullshit..I feel sorry for the lads in the forces,brainwashed or otherwise..Not many wars are just,nowadays are they?

I'm sure many lads who join up don't have a clue that they are to be pawns in politician's agendas,they learn that later..Iraq case in point.Profoundly wrong all the same...

Everyone who fought the Nazis were heros mind,and I thank them eternally for it..Massive pride there.

Aye, must admit, I was wondering that myself (Which Regiment?), since the amalgamation of Scotland's various regiments. I suppose he meant the Royal Regiment of Scotland. (Although I was thinking of the H.L.I and the "fighting 51st". Who held front-line unrelieved, for longer than any other regiment in history during WW2).

But your post in genral hit the nail on the head: particularly "cannon fodder". Exactly.

His Holiness, The Pope wrote:

Boatraceface wrote:

MIMX wrote:

Chris Nash wrote:

P.S. MIMX - The Scots make up 75% of our best, most skilled and DISCIPLINED Regiment :)

And...?

Of course they are.

The Scots have always made the most effective lethal battle hardened soldiers in the British army.

Nowhere did I suggest otherwise.

I'm sure many lads who join up don't have a clue that they are to be pawns in politician's agendas,they learn that later,if at all..Iraq case in point.Profoundly wrong all the same...

I would imagine that relatively few soldiers join up because they actually want to kill people. It's more a matter of economic survival.

As long as capitalist governments continue to perpetuate such stark economic imbalance, there will always be young people willing to join the military's ranks to achieve some measure of capital--even if it is at the risk of being put in situations where killing people (innocent or not) is a possibility.

Too bad wars like Iraq are just waged to make the rich richer and create a greater economic divide. But sell people on the idea of patriotism and a fear of brown skinned heathens and you've got a self-perpetuating shitstorm.

Agreed,awful is't it.. But what about Prince William and Harry,and all the Sandhurst set though? Or the American version,Westpoint? Not much need for economical survival there,I'd wager. Not that Wills and H will see any action,mind..Do THEY just join to kill people?Or is it the old romantic,sadly outdated and now cynically abused,for Queen and Country(Yanks patriotism similarly) notion,that compels them to join.It's looking more and more a naive notion in modern context,exploited as a tool by the powers that be.

1. Paul McCartney
2. Prince William's hair
3. Barney's yelps
4. Simian Mobile Disco
5. music rags

EdelBrock wrote:

4. The idea that we have to support "our boys/troops" no matter what, even if they are killing and maiming wholly innocent civilians to line the pockets of of oil barons and their political allies. If your thick enough to join the army be seduced by the idea of killing, hell slap it into you!

Who's killing "wholly innocent civilians"?

I have never met anyone that joined because they wanted to kill someone.....

this is by far one of the assinine posts I have seen in awhile... Sort yer shit out before you post MIMX

Well it's been a while since we've known this war was poorly conceived by a cabal of crooks. Honestly anyone who has joined the Army or the Marines in order to go serve our country in the past two to three years hardly deserved support or praise and quite the opposite.

There is no reason to be there at the moment other than to keep billing our government to pay overpriced corporate ventures in the Middle East. We're interfering in a civil war and are not wanted there by any of the parties.

Boatraceface wrote:

...But what about Prince William and Harry,and all the Sandhurst set though? Or the American version,Westpoint?... Not much need for economical survival there,I'd wager.

In other words the officer class, who'll become the Generals ect that tell the "cannon fodder" when to die (or kill). The upper class, who's economic interests (protecting markets/raw materials etc) 99% of wars are fought for? It's exactly their economic survival that is at stake in their wars (The common soldier owns no oil fields, land, or other means of production). They didn't go to war to fight Fascism: a sizeable majority were, and still are, Fascist, if not outright Nazi (Sandhurst & Westpoint graduates).

I'm with Orwell War is just an efficicient way of burning up resources to stop the proles having too good a life......or more accurately to stop the advancement of the race.

As I often mention, the vietnam war would have paid for every ship, station and base seen in the movie 2001, but setting fire to small yellow kids was more important.

I however, am past caring, fuck you all you retarded fucking monkeys, if all you care about is fucking and slaughtering, our race doesn't actually deserve to survivie long enough to leave the cradle.

It's not surprising the yanks love wars so much ( I mean a war on TERROR?.....I'm terrified of crabs, so are they gonna bomb the sea (and miss)? )....they teach religious mumbo jumbo in science classes and their leaders say "science" like they uses to say "communism".

What I find interesting and disturbing is how Hollywood charactures have delved so deeply in people's minds that they actually believe it to be truth.

Answer me a few questions:

1. How does the Army (or any organization) keep the soldiers from understanding the 'truth' in the 21st century? That's just silly, since they can all watch all the news programs just like you can...

2. Where are these orders that resort to the purposeful killings of women and children?

3. Where are you EXACTLY getting yer information that soldiers (or Marines) listen blindly to orders?

I find it a bit funny that people that never set foot on a base, let alone joined the military, are going to school me on the workings of the military....

EdelBrock wrote:

1. How does the Army (or any organization) keep the soldiers from understanding the 'truth' in the 21st century? That's just silly, since they can all watch all the news programs just like you can...

It's a law not to criticize the President or second-guess your CO. So that keeps the ugly truths from coming out from within the military itself. Just look at that fucking chimp General who recently retracted his earlier rah-rah-Iraq-winnable sentiments once he retired. Of course, now that he isn't part of the shit-stem, he can say what he should have said all along.

Pope, if you haven't realized but every job has rules that you don't go against yer boss or you'll get canned.... does it mean you do EVERYTHING your boss wants you to? Military's no different... well almost... you do have a trust in your superiors that you just don't have elsewhere... and no that's not brainwashing... there's been plenty of officer's I've said "Roger that!" to, and yet done the way that it should have been done instead of the way they ordered it... and no I didn't have to worry about being court martialed, I just had to prove that I was right... like most professions, it depends on your ability to trust the individual...