Doctor? wrote:
I'd disagree that they are all society's products. There must be a proportion who are just born fucked up, otherwise there would have been a fundamental shift in the specific sicknesses of the core group of scumbags. By that I mean, that while each time has it's killers d'heure, which are no doubt made by that which surrounds them[1], there is a long running line of rapists, and yer basic no-regard-for-life killers of opporunity. Where all fuckups a product of society, there would not be a running thread of identical behavior, but rather a more dynamic and evolving history os assholes, as we find with the first subset described above.
[1] It may be argued as well, though I do not know how convincingly, that this group of people would actually turn out bad in any society, but with specifics drawn from that environment.
I'd go further to mention that those that have a difficulty assimilating into society also live off that same society. We have so many programs that support and ensure that these individuals not only keep breathing, but keep breeding as well.
I'm under the belief that almost all kids are born about equal in potential... it's the parents and other adults that screw them up. Each has potential to overcome these issues and be helped, but after a certian age/mindset they are set in their ways. The best thing for society is to get rid of these individuals so they don't affect any children. (as MIMX likes to say: Won't somebody think of the children!)
As to the death penalty......
Premise A:
Killers are evil, and should be punished.
Premise B:
The death penalty is a just way to remove those who murder.
Premise C: Execution is the just killing of the guilty.
Premise D: Murder is unjust the killing of the innocent.
Premise E: execution is carried out by the state in the name, and with the specific consent of, the people.
Conclusion, if just one innocent human has been fried, paralysed or gassed in your state, you are a murderer and should be executed, no ifs, ands or buts.
You forgot premise F: Stiff and harsh punishment will hopefully deter others from commiting similar crimes.
People are constantly complaining about the lack of healthcare system, social security, and schooling. Yet we waste billions of dollars everyday feeding, housing, and conducting retrials for individuals that can't be trusted in society. Many of these have been proven unable to change their ways (i.e. child molesters). If released in society, they will only taint more children and screw them up for life... if we house them its a waste of money.
As for your last sentance, that is why we set aside the death penalty for those that are proven to be guilty without a doubt, and have been proven within a court of law that they are a burden to society.
and before people start whipping out examples of innocent people that have been executed, that is very unfortunate and I truely hope it doesn't happen again. But that does not mean we should lay down and allow for diseased people to drain and taint our society.