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barack or hilary?

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  • barack 8 (50%)
  • hilary 2 (12%)
  • neither 6 (38%)

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Burt Reynolds wrote:

DigiDiz wrote: i dont know why the uk is so bothered by the elections in the us of a, we have enough problems of our own, rising fuel prices, caused by conflicts, then tax everything under the sun bar the soap that the government ever think about. i dont know how people tolerate things like this in this grotty country

So you havent shagged her yet then?:skeptic:

Would you give her one Burt? Left to my own devices,I probably would.. but I'd be wary of her noshes,what with Bill going elsewhere for them,an that.

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Boatraceface wrote:

Burt Reynolds wrote:

DigiDiz wrote: i dont know why the uk is so bothered by the elections in the us of a, we have enough problems of our own, rising fuel prices, caused by conflicts, then tax everything under the sun bar the soap that the government ever think about. i dont know how people tolerate things like this in this grotty country

So you havent shagged her yet then?:skeptic:

Would you give her one Burt? Left to my own devices,I probably would.. but I'd be wary of her noshes,what with Bill going elsewhere for them,an that.

Ermmm... I wasnt talking about Hilary. Was talking about Rich's ongoing cherry-popping quest.

As for Hilary.. I'd need a fair few good stiff drinks, put on the 'brandy goggles'. Be a feather in the cap to say you'd boned the Pres. :thumb:

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The first president to squirt,perhaps?:laugh:

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Burt Reynolds wrote:

DigiDiz wrote: i dont know why the uk is so bothered by the elections in the us of a, we have enough problems of our own, rising fuel prices, caused by conflicts, then tax everything under the sun bar the soap that the government ever think about. i dont know how people tolerate things like this in this grotty country

So you havent shagged her yet then?:skeptic:

shagged who? hilary? isnt she married to an ex-president, who would probably nuke me if i shagged her?

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Comrade Shampanyov wrote:

EdelBrock wrote: Obama just makes people feel all warm and fuzzy inside, but his politics would be bad for our country on the long term...

If by "our country," you mean "the politics of Karl Rove," undoubtedly.

:nod:

He has personna and when he talks he is captivating... but step back from the warm and fuzzy feeling he gives and look at his ideas. Most sound good, but they only show how little experience he has, as they would give immediate happieness, but longterm reprecussions would impact the nation negatively.

Although I hate Clinton with a passion, she would be far better for the naton than Obama, because at least she understands longterm reprecussions....

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EdelBrock wrote: He has personna and when he talks he is captivating... but step back from the warm and fuzzy feeling he gives and look at his ideas. Most sound good, but they only show how little experience he has, as they would give immediate happieness, but longterm reprecussions would impact the nation negatively.

Examples?

Mind, my candidate has already dropped out of the race....

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Could somebody remind me just what qualifications Dubya had when he became president???

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Heath Ledger's ACCIDENTAL Overdose (as if) wrote: Could somebody remind me just what qualifications Dubya had when he became president???

He was part of a wealthy family? :evil4:

:smoking:

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Ran the Texas Rangers into the ground Ran Arbusto into the ground Connecticutt blueblood with a fake Texas accent Dry drunk who used to snort coke off of hookers asses Dodged service in Vietnam by enlisting in the Texas Air National Guard Went AWOL from the Texas Air National Guard

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Comrade Shampanyov wrote: Ran the Texas Rangers into the ground Ran Arbusto into the ground Connecticutt blueblood with a fake Texas accent Dry drunk who used to snort coke off of hookers asses Dodged service in Vietnam by enlisting in the Texas Air National Guard Went AWOL from the Texas Air National Guard

Well...everybody loves a winner...

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Rocket Mick

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And the only place they won't vote for me is in the DUST BOWL states!:lol:

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EdelBrock wrote:

This blue-eyed boy that wants to be wrote: Obama, for the fact that this man wants to repeal one of the most ridiculous laws passed during the Bush Administration -- the No Child Left Behind Act.

If you have ever taught in an urban school district or were a student, you know how ludicrous this law is. Basically, when a school doesn't perform up to standard (based on state-wide test scores in which the exams vary in each state), a school is put on some list labeling it under performing. When a school is in that category, students can transfer to a better performing school in the district. In a city like Philadelphia, this means that many better performing (not good, but not failing, either) are picking up students from these poor-performing schools and are getting overcrowded. Meanwhile, the badly performing schools lose funding.

This just goes to show how poorly our nation's education system is being run. Perform badly (and if you've ever been in an urban school district, text books from over a decade ago, old buildings, and disruptive kids are the norm) and you're punished. And no one tries to figure out what, exactly, doesn't work.

I think your missing the real point of NCLB. While I don't think it is a good idea, there is good reason for it. Everyone wants to complain about how poorly our schools are run and how they vary so differently from State to State. This was a way for the Federal government to try and put pressure and a standard upon the schools.

I don't think it worked the way as planned, but it was a good effort. We can't find the best answer without trying out and refining ones that fail on the whole.... or you can't succeed without failing everyso often.

NCLB shows us where the failures are in our school system and proves how a simple test=funding doesn't equate properly.

Where to now though? Back to State run schools with no Federal oversight? Not sure that's a good idea either.... NCLB needs refinement, not dismissal...

But, aside from passing this law, the federal government hasn't done anything toward improving the education gap in this country. The funding is still the same. In PA, if you live in an area with higher property values, your school district gets more money per pupil. And, that means that in rich suburbs, students get textbooks from this decade, newer buildings, higher-paid teachers. That means that in Philadelphia, and post-industrial shit holes like Chester and Coatsville, students in 2008 are still using science textbooks from 1985, they have buildings which are falling apart, and teachers who would rather be doing something else -- if they have a teacher for this classroom. The NCLB act did nothing except show that, yes, urban schools suck and the students who have to use them need other options. But, where were the other options? If you live in Chester or Philly, you can't go to a school in a better performing district, your own district doesn't have enough money to buy you better books, and because your family can't afford a private school, you're stuck going to some poorly-performing school district for 13 years.

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I hear your pain, but NCLB is only used as a watchdog. Schools are State run, and the Federal government simply can't take control of everything by one bill. I have a feeling NCLB is only the first step towards the Federal governement taking over the school system.... the classic portion of first noting that the failures aren't working and blaming the States for not picking up the pace. It would have to be a slow enchroachment, and I think NCLB is the first step in this....

I'm not sure if I really like more Federal involvement in State affairs... but if the States don't do something different really soon, the feds will be taking it over....

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