El Jarvo wrote:
banshee wrote: jarvo - you not a fan of doves but do you think they are good live ?
Nah. They're alright, but just alright. Place was mobbed but there just wasn't the intensity that I think New Order have had in recent years - well, maybe not New Order, but at least New Order fans. I 'borrowed' Ally's ticket near the end to meet a mate then walk him back in on Ally's ticket right the way to the front with no grief. Even at the worst New Order gig in recent year you couldn't make your way through the crowd!
Doves are technically better than New Order, but I still just don't geddit.
More interesting prospect was the Manics. Wasn't busy but they had a right 'ardcore down the front of 17 year old girlies all wearing leopard skin and/or feather boas. Now, that's what I call a firm!!!
i'd agree with manics live now on anything.saw them at glaso around 1999 and they were ok (ish),saw them glaso last year,much improved,no,they were fucking great actually.but ive always found doves very consistant over the many years ive seen them.i think i know what you mean though,none of them or many other groups have a footy type excited crowd like the order had 
.Saw Doves at Birmingham Academy in 2002 and the audience was all young early 20s just chatting and choppsing about crap all through the gig - not really moshing or moving at all really!!.Then when i saw them at Manc v Cancer 2006 the girl in front was moaning about people pushing her,erm, in the moshpit.So i've not formed a great opinion of Doves fans.