Thatcher - Yay or Nay?

Along with Spandau and Gay AIDS she more or less defined the 80's.

For better or worse?

For the record she hasnt died just yet

Dave Earnshaw wrote: Along with Spandau and Gay AIDS she more or less defined the 80's.

For better or worse?

It's a tough one.. I do remember 1979 though, 19% inflation, and a country close to bankruptcy. In particular, I remember a Green Goddess turn up to see the embers of my family shed 4 hours after phoning the fire brigade. She frightened the shit out of Jacques Chirac in agreeing to the European rebate, which is an impressive achievement.

Seems uncannily familiar in these times right now. Sometimes you need a hard bitch to sort it out. It's still a nay though.

Dave Earnshaw wrote: Along with Spandau and Gay AIDS she more or less defined the 80's.

For better or worse?

Funny, my first thoughts are having a Boston Tea Bag Party

I love these people who think of a couple of things that Thatcher did that were arguably good and trumpet them as indicative of her overall success as a leader. Every day she did something spiteful, stupid or incompetent and she left as her legacy a country with hardly any manufacturing capabilities, wasted natural resources, crippled banking legal systems and a corrupt press. Most of this we will never recover from. She was a beast, a selfish moron whose only aim was to protect her own career and to avenge anyone who crossed her, taking joy from hurting as many people as possible in the process.

And she is responsible for the popularity of that smug twat Ben Elton, too. For that alone I hope she burns in hell.

And don't forget, it was she who "funded" the first global warming "research" in order to get "proof" that Nuclear was the better option (which, frankly it is). SO, next time some little wanker tells you lies about how Britain really is much warmer than when they grew champagne grapes in Manchester.....you can thank Thatch and her corrupt "scientists".

SO just remember, when you comply with insane enviro-myth laws, you piss on every miner whose life that cunt destroyed.....cos the whole thing was cooked up to destroy the need for "dirty and harmful" coal....ie the NUM.

Evil

I fucking love you Gazman

I use to dispise her during her reign. But its funny looking back. I think Britain (or was it me and my family) were so much better off under her leadership than when the cretins (called Labour) rolled in drinking a can of "lets give more to the idle" whilst smoking a huge reef of "lets distablise this country with red tape, now accountability, lawlessness, no immigration control, stupid lending, etc".

Can any party drag us out of the mire?

Do you blame Thatch or the braindead self-centered fuckers who voted for her?

For Col: the only time me and Natasha ever argued face-to-face was when she disclosed that she voted Tory at the last election.

D'uh.

Diamond 383 wrote: I fucking love you Gazman

Shucks...

Gazman wrote:

Diamond 383 wrote: I fucking love you Gazman

Shucks...

He says that to all the boys Gaz, he's just a floozy!

Thatcher:the best reason NI people have ever had to be happy about being denied the right to vote for a government. Yes, some of my more godbothered cuntrymen have inflicted unspeakable terrorist attrocities on the world, but not one of them voted for thatcher.

Alexi Sayle: "in the old days, people were named for the jobs they did, baker if you were a baker, wright if you were a wheelwright, thatcher if you made people SICK!"

Doctor? wrote:

Gazman wrote:

Diamond 383 wrote: I fucking love you Gazman

Shucks...

He says that to all the boys Gaz, he's just a floozy!

Thatcher:the best reason NI people have ever had to be happy about being denied the right to vote for a government. Yes, some of my more godbothered cuntrymen have inflicted unspeakable terrorist attrocities on the world, but not one of them voted for thatcher.

Alexi Sayle: "in the old days, people were named for the jobs they did, baker if you were a baker, wright if you were a wheelwright, thatcher if you made people SICK!"

Alexi Sayle. About as out of date as Paul Daniels ski jacket!

Doctor? wrote:

Gazman wrote:

Diamond 383 wrote: I fucking love you Gazman

Shucks...

He says that to all the boys Gaz, he's just a floozy!

Thatcher:the best reason NI people have ever had to be happy about being denied the right to vote for a government. Yes, some of my more godbothered cuntrymen have inflicted unspeakable terrorist attrocities on the world, but not one of them voted for thatcher.

Alexi Sayle: "in the old days, people were named for the jobs they did, baker if you were a baker, wright if you were a wheelwright, thatcher if you made people SICK!"

Doctor? wrote:

Gazman wrote:

Diamond 383 wrote: I fucking love you Gazman

Shucks...

He says that to all the boys Gaz, he's just a floozy!

Thatcher:the best reason NI people have ever had to be happy about being denied the right to vote for a government. Yes, some of my more godbothered cuntrymen have inflicted unspeakable terrorist attrocities on the world, but not one of them voted for thatcher.

Alexi Sayle: "in the old days, people were named for the jobs they did, baker if you were a baker, wright if you were a wheelwright, thatcher if you made people SICK!"

Doctor? wrote:

Gazman wrote:

Diamond 383 wrote: I fucking love you Gazman

Shucks...

He says that to all the boys Gaz, he's just a floozy!

Thatcher:the best reason NI people have ever had to be happy about being denied the right to vote for a government. Yes, some of my more godbothered cuntrymen have inflicted unspeakable terrorist attrocities on the world, but not one of them voted for thatcher.

Alexi Sayle: "in the old days, people were named for the jobs they did, baker if you were a baker, wright if you were a wheelwright, thatcher if you made people SICK!"

Doctor? wrote: And don't forget, it was she who "funded" the first global warming "research" in order to get "proof" that Nuclear was the better option (which, frankly it is). SO, next time some little wanker tells you lies about how Britain really is much warmer than when they grew champagne grapes in Manchester.....you can thank Thatch and her corrupt "scientists".

SO just remember, when you comply with insane enviro-myth laws, you piss on every miner whose life that cunt destroyed.....cos the whole thing was cooked up to destroy the need for "dirty and harmful" coal....ie the NUM.

Its pretty sound science. I'm a sceptic anytime someone tells me something is fact, so I've looked into it more when I was getting my Bachelors (enviro is under Geology here).

What is a load of crap is the timeline for the future, as no one has any clue on it, but negative effects definateely coming, its just how much.

What science is a load of shite is the "fact" of ozone depletion by CFCs. That is definately a political mistake that cost billions, so as such no one wants to admit it.

EdelBrock wrote:

Its pretty sound science.

Make a prediction based on it then. The predictions it made ten years ago haven't done too well, or is London under water and I didn't notice.

Oh but of course, they have "more data" now, and it'll be ten years from NOW it'll be under water

THE END OF THE WORLD IS ON TUESDAY.....and on Weds they find "more data" meaning it was NEXT tuesday.

We are in a fucking ice age FFS!

If I give you an annual grant of $1bn to study global warming....are you going to come back to me after the first year and say "nothing doing mate, nothing to study". Until I see proof of Martians driving SUV's (to explain the fact that Mars' temperature has increased in recent years), I'm calling bullshit on the whole thing....all the more so since Thatch made it all up (based on a single comment from a Swedish scientist, who was involved in the massive "global cooling" scare 35-40 years ago....that was lead by the world's leading scientists), to fuck miners over.

If the science is sound, why did so many of the scientists involved in the UN's report ask for their names to be removed from it for misrepresenting their work?

Doctor? wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

Its pretty sound science.

Make a prediction based on it then. The predictions it made ten years ago haven't done too well, or is London under water and I didn't notice.

Missed the rest of what I said, eh?

The measurements and the ability to read the history of climate change on the Earth is a very exact, sound science.

The point that carbon increases temperature and that it is increasing in our atmosphere is very sound.

Forecasting (or as I mentioned earlier as future timelines) is not exact. It is too difficult to interpret as there are so many variables in changing the climate. All the models to predict future climates only put in about 10-20 variables, but even those variables can have differing effects that simply can't be computed.

Is the future climate trumped up to move countries in action, quite possibly... but the fact of the matter is, an increase in CO2 is not good for human life existance.

Actually if you look at the data, temperature changes THEN Co2 changes (probably because the warmer sea releaes more).

If you cannot make repeatably testable predictions based on your theory, it is quite simply not science, by definition. In fact, what you have, is something closer to religion, where whatever happens it is global warming moving in mysterious ways.

Don't misunderstand, I think we absolutely should clean up our act, but terrifying people is the wrong way to go about it. And so is telling Africa etc that they are not allowed to develope because it'll be bad for the planet.

Anyway, this thread is not about the myth but it's first advocate, a vicious, warmongering snob who shattered this country in every sense but an ecconomic one (fucking the ecconomy takes the other bunch of pricks we have now).

I thought Thatcher shut down the coal mines because British Coal hadnt made a profit since 1966?

Doctor? wrote:

If you cannot make repeatably testable predictions based on your theory, it is quite simply not science, by definition. In fact, what you have, is something closer to religion, where whatever happens it is global warming moving in mysterious ways.

But we can reproduce each effect individually, but with so many factors changing each of the other factors, it makes it too difficult to comprehend. i.e. Chaos theory.

Its not mysterious, it is simply too complicated for computer programs to grasp... or at least for us to grasp in making an effective computer program for predictions.

Burt Reynolds wrote: I thought Thatcher shut down the coal mines because British Coal hadnt made a profit since 1966?

Yes, that's right, it was nothing whatsoever to do with her hatred of the miners as a union power block, and you'd be paranoid and delusional to think it was. She was anti-coal for that main reason, and anti-oil for the fairly sound reason that it places our knackers in the hands of a bunch middle eastern crazies. As I mentioned a few weeks ago, her coal closures could leave the UK laughing in 100 years when coal is £1000 a ton (fuck all consolation for 10's of 1000's of miners and their families of course).

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: erm...what did the dinosaurs do to their atmosphere to cause all that global warming???

Murderer! Climate criminal!

Everyone knows the Earth is FAR warmer now than at any time since it's surface cooled.

Doctor? wrote: As I mentioned a few weeks ago, her coal closures could leave the UK laughing in 100 years when coal is £1000 a ton (fuck all consolation for 10's of 1000's of miners and their families of course).

I doubt any politician 25 years ago, and in history in general, would look that far ahead. All the ones I've ever known tend to look a maximum of 4-5 years ahead.

Besides, it is still in the ground, and at £1000 a ton, it might be tempting to open up the odd mine again.

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: erm...what did the dinosaurs do to their atmosphere to cause all that global warming???

huge farts

Burt Reynolds wrote:

Doctor? wrote: As I mentioned a few weeks ago, her coal closures could leave the UK laughing in 100 years when coal is £1000 a ton (fuck all consolation for 10's of 1000's of miners and their families of course).

I doubt any politician 25 years ago, and in history in general, would look that far ahead. All the ones I've ever known tend to look a maximum of 4-5 years ahead.

Besides, it is still in the ground, and at £1000 a ton, it might be tempting to open up the odd mine again.

Of course, that cunt didn't look further ahead than fucking the NUM over. It's just that it might have a distant silver lining, and I bet that makes the whore sick :D:D:D:D:D

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote:

Burt Reynolds wrote:

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: erm...what did the dinosaurs do to their atmosphere to cause all that global warming???

huge farts

soooo...are you blaming cows for our current predicament???

yes, and excessive farting all over the world

Burt Reynolds wrote:

Doctor? wrote: As I mentioned a few weeks ago, her coal closures could leave the UK laughing in 100 years when coal is £1000 a ton (fuck all consolation for 10's of 1000's of miners and their families of course).

I doubt any politician 25 years ago, and in history in general, would look that far ahead. All the ones I've ever known tend to look a maximum of 4-5 years ahead.

Besides, it is still in the ground, and at £1000 a ton, it might be tempting to open up the odd mine again.

This is a fucking great debate. I'm loving it.

Diamond 383 wrote:

Burt Reynolds wrote:

Doctor? wrote: As I mentioned a few weeks ago, her coal closures could leave the UK laughing in 100 years when coal is £1000 a ton (fuck all consolation for 10's of 1000's of miners and their families of course).

I doubt any politician 25 years ago, and in history in general, would look that far ahead. All the ones I've ever known tend to look a maximum of 4-5 years ahead.

Besides, it is still in the ground, and at £1000 a ton, it might be tempting to open up the odd mine again.

This is a fucking great debate. I'm loving it.

What bits in particular?

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: erm...what did the dinosaurs do to their atmosphere to cause all that global warming???

Which age of extinction?

BOTH ARE NOT FROM AN INCREASE IN CO2

Jurassic - Not really known, but becuase of flora changes, it is guessed it was due to climate change most likely caused by the breaking apart of Pangea.

Cretaceous - A meteor crater (Chicxulub) 120 miles in diameter off the Yucatan peninsula is blamed for the increase, but not an increase in CO2, rather a blanket of dust particles that choked out sunlight, months of global refrigeration and an increase in acid rain.
Radiometric dating and also finding the "shocked grains" of the irridium blanket can be found across the world. *note-CO2 levels were lowest in the Cretaceous for the Mesozoic Era.

CUNT - end of, fucked County Durham, never forgive the bitch,

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: erm...what did the dinosaurs do to their atmosphere to cause all that global warming???

Which age of extinction?

BOTH ARE NOT FROM AN INCREASE IN CO2

Gerta Keller would disagree...

It is debatable that the foraminifera found above the irridium layer are good index fossils. Also it is debateable that the shocked quartz sandstone she talks about is from the same impact, and not another.

She might be right or wrong, as it takes time for these things to work from journal articles and into the textbooks.

But she does not confirm that it was CO2 induced. She states that the K-T boundary is either of another large meteor impact or possibly volcanic eruptions in India. The main problem with the latter is from what I understand, H2O isotope levels in the polar cap don't agree with this theory, as there was not a global warming during the time of extinction (as the CO2 levels from a catostophic eruption she talks about would most definately cause global warming).

There's a bit of circular doublethink if ever I read one.

I'm with frankie boyle on this one. I'm having a party when the old bitch pops her clogs, i may even borrow gaz's disco floor.

Old Lead Foot wrote: I'm with frankie boyle on this one. I'm having a party when the old bitch pops her clogs, i may even borrow gaz's disco floor.

There's a very long queue of people waiting to dance on that twats grave.

Old Lead Foot wrote: I'm with frankie boyle on this one. I'm having a party when the old bitch pops her clogs, i may even borrow gaz's disco floor.

More than welcome to it Leady,

but i reckon it'll be in use

Just as long as it can hold more than ten of us and play repetative beats.

Old Lead Foot wrote: I'm with frankie boyle on this one. I'm having a party when the old bitch pops her clogs, i may even borrow gaz's disco floor.

Sounds good to me!

Burt Reynolds wrote:

Diamond 383 wrote:

Burt Reynolds wrote:

Doctor? wrote: As I mentioned a few weeks ago, her coal closures could leave the UK laughing in 100 years when coal is £1000 a ton (fuck all consolation for 10's of 1000's of miners and their families of course).

I doubt any politician 25 years ago, and in history in general, would look that far ahead. All the ones I've ever known tend to look a maximum of 4-5 years ahead.

Besides, it is still in the ground, and at £1000 a ton, it might be tempting to open up the odd mine again.

This is a fucking great debate. I'm loving it.

What bits in particular?

I was a but pissed when I wrote that, but I seem to remember being amused about how you seemed to disagree by saying the same thing, and both of you are quite wrong because many abandoned mines are virtually impossible to return to because of flooding and subsidance.

Impossible? Unecconomic! That will/may change.

I appreciate the mines are fucked, but, they can't be more fucked than they were when they were solid waterlogged rock surely.

Still back to the important bit.......dancing pumps or hobnailed boots?

Doctor? wrote: Impossible? Unecconomic! That will/may change.

I appreciate the mines are fucked, but, they can't be more fucked than they were when they were solid waterlogged rock surely.

Still back to the important bit.......dancing pumps or hobnailed boots?

Chatroom doc 5 minutes?

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Doctor? wrote:

Burt Reynolds wrote: I thought Thatcher shut down the coal mines because British Coal hadnt made a profit since 1966?

Yes, that's right, it was nothing whatsoever to do with her hatred of the miners as a union power block, and you'd be paranoid and delusional to think it was. She was anti-coal for that main reason, and anti-oil for the fairly sound reason that it places our knackers in the hands of a bunch middle eastern crazies. As I mentioned a few weeks ago, her coal closures could leave the UK laughing in 100 years when coal is £1000 a ton (fuck all consolation for 10's of 1000's of miners and their families of course).

Here we go again!

I think i am missing something here but i do see a pattern,indulge me.....

Steel workers..... she closed down nearly ALL our major steelworks in the u.k because the steelworkers DARED to defy her,thus the industry died...

Miners..... The N.U.M WAS the STRONGEST union this country has ever seen,they DARED to defy her and now the industry is DEAD.

The anti-union legislation that thatcher brought in has led our country being the poor man of Europe.

I'll give them froggies summat,if they dont get their way then they're all out,this should have happened in 1984,then perhaps we would now have a better standard of living instead of the politically correct namby pamby brigade we have in now....

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Doctor? wrote: Impossible? Unecconomic! That will/may change.

I appreciate the mines are fucked, but, they can't be more fucked than they were when they were solid waterlogged rock surely.

Still back to the important bit.......dancing pumps or hobnailed boots?

Chatroom doc 5 minutes?

http://www.neworderinfoweb.piczo.com

LOL.....went to chat room, left it open while I checked through the enormous Barry Gray torrent I'm downloading, expecting chatroom to like beep or something if anyone else weighed in. No beeps, and when I minimized azureus.....you've been and gone. Computers eh? Cunts the lot of em.

I was like them basshead Gadjis.... Is there anybody out there......

Back on topic,thatcher wants her fanny kickin in and i'm the man to do it,Old cow,she is going straight to hell!

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Steel workers..... she closed down nearly ALL our major steelworks in the u.k because the steelworkers DARED to defy her,thus the industry died...

http://www.neworderinfoweb.piczo.com

Steel is probably a good example of an industry fucked over by her, although i don't know what state British Steel was in during the early 80's.

One industry she did fuck over justifiably was shipbuilding. (Doc will disagree on this ).

For some bizarre reason, for thirty years after the end of the 2nd World War, the UK insisted on having the largest (by far) navy in the world, and continued commissioning warships into the seventies, almost, it would seem to keep the industry going. The harsh reality being that UK by that point was no longer a world power.

Actually she DID fuck shipbuilding over. I know the govt pumped a few quid into Harland's but it was only enough to keep it open and no more really, because they needed it's unique facilities. Some of the yards on the tyne and clyde got the same too...."oh look, we're subsidising these poor useless industries, aren't we great".....then sending all the navy orders overseas.

Harland's since she fucked off, is oddly doing pretty well for itself.

Doctor? wrote: There's a bit of circular doublethink if ever I read one.

Huh? How so?

the KT boundary, thus dinosaur extinction, wasn't due to CO2 increases... what I stated the thread before and the one before that one...