Like I said,the instructed FGW staff to report EVERYONE bearing placards, not exactly protecting freedom.
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Ally wrote:
Doctor? wrote: So the entire attending masses are treated poorly, along with local residents, because of a teeny number of consumate fucktards.
The "entire attending masses were treated poorly" comment is not only totally ignorant but completely inaccurate. I wasn't aware you were down the front at every angle of the protest witnessing all of this Cambo? Much of the news coverage across almost all areas of the political spectrum would also rebuke your opinion. There were lots of peaceful protesters who got on fine with the police and the atmosphere was reportedly more than harmonious aside from the incidents incited by the "fucktards".
Let's face it, the coppers could have genuinely done fuck all and you still would've been whinging your arse off at their mere presence near the protest...
C'mon Ally..
We all know Cambo voices his rajed opinion here on everything,to the far end of a fart by now.
We may not always agree or like it,but as long as he is wearing his Doctor Who wabs,we must defend his right to do so..
Jiphy wrote: That said... Why did they choose to meet in London city centre? It is so easy to get there for many people.
There are plenty of empty and quiet areas, remote from everything, in those 20 countries. They could even get onboard a submarine and hide in the sea for a week. No demonstrators - a meeting without collateral damages...
And to stand aside Steve, it must be very annoying to live for the neighbourhood. Demonstrators, anti-riot policemen, special services police and all the lot... Better take a week off home...
London being a very important city,globally,and the issue being the most important one facing the civilised world at this point in time They(the politicans) appear to feel they need to make a prestigious show of it,and I can understand that.. Grandiose lip service in a way,in an attempt to appease the masses,us.
While our factories,industries and banking system... and all the knock on,keep falling into further decline..That's how it is just now,it'll come good again,just a question of when,and how much it will hurt,they need to halt it,no question.. The banks definitely need a kick up the arse and to be forced to start lending to firms again,then it will filter down in my opinion,speaking from the steel industry's point of view,which has been severely hit,like many others..Banks need to lend money to a firm that wants to build a 40 million pound skyscraper for example,but they won't anymore..The Firms still want to build those skyscrapers,and the profit is there for all,so let's get on with it...I see the car industry as a little more complicated,they need the banks too..The arse has fell out of everything,and you can see why,but still.. We're all feeling it.Dems da breaks.
More could be done,and hopefully with a bit of calculated guts and bollocks from the banks,it will be done,and soon.
Confidence is shot,understandably with the widespread toxic debt but the banks have the taxpayers lucre propping them up now,so they have to start playing the game..If not,just glass the cunts and start over.
Doctor? wrote: Like I said,the instructed FGW staff to report EVERYONE bearing placards, not exactly protecting freedom.
Praps just wanting information about where the protesters were headed.
At least, as Martin suggested, these middle-classers got to feel like outlaws for the day. I read a lovely load of biased nonsense in the Guardian yesterday; a very romanticised portrait of the law-abiding lot happily sitting down, skinning up, pissing in the street and being 'kettled' by the nasty police. They'll be dinner-partying on it for ever. No harm done and everyone home in time for tea and crumpets.
What was that policeman doing pushing that guy over? I thought the police had done a great job in difficult circumstances but now I cant defend them.
The same guy was the one that tragically had a heart attack and died.
Seems more than a coincidence to me:\ohwell:
Just reading about the lengths the Police have been going to to cover this up. Fucking awful. If that copper doesn't go down for manslaughter there's something very wrong.
(He probably won't)
Diamond 383 wrote: Just reading about the lengths the Police have been going to to cover this up. Fucking awful. If that copper doesn't go down for manslaughter there's something very wrong.
(He probably won't)
Totally justified, the guy was obviously one of those troublemakers you were talking about. Stop being paranoid, he had it coming.
Diamond 383 wrote: Just reading about the lengths the Police have been going to to cover this up. Fucking awful. If that copper doesn't go down for manslaughter there's something very wrong.
I read that the IPCC originally assigned the City of London police - who worked alongside the Met on the day - to investigate but since the footage emerged they've been replaced with independent investigators. Probably a prudent move.
The footage is shocking and it goes without saying the treatment of the guy was completely unwarranted, no reasonable person could deny that. However any enquiry would be quick to point out that was a snapshot of a minute or two and we don't know precisely what went on beforehand. Regardless, it looks bad.
Doctor? wrote: Totally justified, the guy was obviously one of those troublemakers you were talking about. Stop being paranoid, he had it coming.
It would be as unreasonable as you think the police are to condemn every single police officer there on that day which is no doubt what the G20 "movement" will do instantly. These protesters routinely complain that the masses should not be penalised for the actions of a few troublemakers so let's see if the extend this belief to the police as a whole. There were idiots in the crowd on the day and I saw a good quote on a news article along the lines of "So the RBS building just did itself in, did it?" 
Must be awful for the guy's family though, by all accounts his life was just a long line of bad luck (alcoholism, separated from wife, living in a hostel etc) ending with dying at a protest event he wasn't even attending.
NO Regret wrote: What was that policeman doing pushing that guy over? I thought the police had done a great job in difficult circumstances but now I cant defend them.
The same guy was the one that tragically had a heart attack and died.
Seems more than a coincidence to me:\ohwell:
Not saying that it was right, not saying that it wasn't a contributory factor but that shove wasn't going to cause a heart attack on its own was it?
The newspapers originally reported that the Police were bottled as they tried to help this guy as he was having a heart attack. It's looking like an attempted cover up that nearly worked.
He looks a bit bewildered before the attack, makes me wonder if he was pissed, or had just received a whipping from the Police? The person who shot the footage must have had a reason to start filming. Without seeing what went before, it's impossible to say whether it was even necessary to push the man at all - he was already moving in the direction that he was pushed.
It's a shit piece of film, anyway. None of the Policemen around the attacker try to stop it happening, or even seem bothered by it.
It certainly looks like he was pushed too hard, nobody should be pushed over as they walk away from a Policeman, and what may be tolerable for a fit young man may be excessive for an older person.
Hardly Rodney King though, is it?
Diamond 383 wrote: He looks a bit bewildered before the attack, makes me wonder if he was pissed, or had just received a whipping from the Police?
On Radio 5 yesterday there was an email from someone who bought his daily paper from the deceased, liked him but said he was regularly asked for spare change and the deceased made no secret that it all went on spirits. Circumstantial I know but to me he looks pissed and was moving very sluggishly at a speed far too slow for the police liking hence the action taken. Seen and received far worse at football matches, just unfortunate they pushed the bloke who seems to have been all set to croak.
True - on and off the field.
Rugby players would consider that soft.
I'm changing my mind. The copper shouldn't be done for manslaughter. He should be told not to push people so hard and have his stick taken off him.
I would have thought that this says a lot more about the culture of legal liability and litigiousness than anything else. I'm all for stamping out professional misconduct and police brutality but, like James says, anyone who has spent any time at the football over the years will have witnessed and received much worse than this (and taken it more often than not as par for the course). This doesn't excuse anything, of course, but this all looks a bit gay from where I'm sitting. I got 'assaulted' much harder a few hours ago by an old bloke not looking where he was going at the swimming pool.
It doesn't help that a certain left-liberal newspaper is jumping up and down like Lord fucking Snooty pointing out the supposed misbehaviour of the class 'bully'.
PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote:
It doesn't help that a certain left-liberal newspaper is jumping up and down like Lord fucking Snooty pointing out the supposed misbehaviour of the class 'bully'.
The Guardian is indeed having a fucking pink baby over it all.
My mind is completely changed. The Police did nothing wrong, in fact they need to toughen up a bit. Tomlinson should stop being dead and issue a full apology to everyone whose time has been wasted.
Diamond 383 wrote:
That is just nauseating, half of it seems like it was written by a sixth former on work experience.
James Thomas wrote:
Diamond 383 wrote:
That is just nauseating, half of it seems like it was written by a sixth former on work experience.
I like how he walked away from the incident without any noticable issues... doesn't look to have caused the heart attack
EdelBrock wrote: I like how he walked away from the incident without any noticable issues... doesn't look to have caused the heart attack
He died three or four minutes after the footage so I don't think the fall is entirely unrelated under these unique circumstances. Medically it is entirely possible for a person of his health (alcoholic, getting on a bit, probable health issues) that a violent fall could exacerbate an existing condition resulting in sudden death. As Col mentioned a younger healthier individual may have walked away unscathed but he was of a poorer constitution.
Is "I like" an Americanism I don't know because in this instance it sounds in pretty bad taste and far from excuses the conduct of the officer in question; the man's dead for fuck's sake.
He was probably a terrorist as well as a crusty window smasher, after all the police were only there for them.
Hasn't done wonders for anyone's chances of being able to carry a camera in public (the police are breaking laws right left and centre on this), I DO love my oh so free country, and am very glad we make big piles of little brown corpses to keep it so.
However I'm with Colin....not manslaughter, assault.
James Thomas wrote:
Diamond 383 wrote:
That is just nauseating, half of it seems like it was written by a sixth former on work experience.
More like Rik Mayall in The Young Ones. Talk about lapsing into self-parody.
They've got a big messageboard running so that anyone who voices the slightest doubt about the Police being the mindless thugs controlled by a murderous regime who are only interested in making bankers rich and fucking the environment can be roundly abused.
Ally wrote:
EdelBrock wrote: I like how he walked away from the incident without any noticable issues... doesn't look to have caused the heart attack
He died three or four minutes after the footage so I don't think the fall is entirely unrelated under these unique circumstances. Medically it is entirely possible for a person of his health (alcoholic, getting on a bit, probable health issues) that a violent fall could exacerbate an existing condition resulting in sudden death. As Col mentioned a younger healthier individual may have walked away unscathed but he was of a poorer constitution.
Is "I like" an Americanism I don't know because in this instance it sounds in pretty bad taste and far from excuses the conduct of the officer in question; the man's dead for fuck's sake.
I guess its an Americanism... never really thought about it, just a way of sarcastically noting a bit of irony of an incident... not that I actually like it...
