Gordon brown, the Rochdale cowboy

So our Gordon is out there in Rochdale talking to the "people" when up pops alife long supporter who had only gone out for a loaf of bread,, ey our gordon , said whats up with immigration,, and as it appens this bloody debt, and another thing gordon,, kids,, mr brown clearly uncomfortable managed to get in his car with microphone still live,, aid asks Gordon how it go Gordon,, bloody disaster the womans a bigot , who put her there,, sue,, yea,yea it was sue,,cut to live radio show who play tape of gords comments,, man puts head in hands,, storms off and loses election,, quality.

walk away .............

all it takes is one racist old biddy and the government falls. he should've given it her with both barrels"listen love, Poles are grafters from the EU, it was Clinton selling mansions to poor black people that fucked up the economy and no wonder kids go on the rampage when all there is to do in Rochdale is eating a pastie next to some bronze sheep".

Now that IS political correctness gone mad....you can no longer call a hated filled old bag a racist....she's ideologically challenged.

Said it before and I'll say it again.....when people say "I'm not racist, but immigration annoys me" they're lying.....cos they DON'T mean we send all the brown coloured people from whence they came and then accept all the white scum we've exported to their countries back (which is what would be demmanded if migration really WAS their issue.....they mean send darkie home to a country full of white people.

Total number of foreigners in the UK approx 6m

that's the same number of "british"[1] we'd have to accept back FROM FRANCE ALONE!!!!!!!!! Add in HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS from the USA, Australia, Canada and various unfortunate African states, and suddenly we've no room to breathe.....but if you don't like immigration, and you do not hold this opinion because you're a little nazi who judges folks on their reflected spectra, then this is the only possible outcome.

[1]unless they speak welsh, cornish or scots/irish they're a fucking foreigner anyway....halfbreed viking froggies.

PS: Has anyone seen this woman's exact words reproduced anywhere? strangely I can't seem to find them, but the following are somewhat telling.... "she discussed immigration" "she claimms he misunderstood some of her words"

Hmmmm, like "nigger", "paki", "roundup" and "shot" I'd wager.

Doctor? wrote:

PS: Has anyone seen this woman's exact words reproduced anywhere? strangely I can't seem to find them, but the following are somewhat telling.... "she discussed immigration" "she claimms he misunderstood some of her words"

Hmmmm, like "nigger", "paki", "roundup" and "shot" I'd wager.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk\_politics/election\_2010/8649308.stm

I think Mr Brown is trying to make out that he thought she'd said "where are they fucking from?" instead of "where are they flocking from?".

But I don't believe him.

James Thomas wrote:

Doctor? wrote:

PS: Has anyone seen this woman's exact words reproduced anywhere? strangely I can't seem to find them, but the following are somewhat telling.... "she discussed immigration" "she claimms he misunderstood some of her words"

Hmmmm, like "nigger", "paki", "roundup" and "shot" I'd wager.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk\_politics/election\_2010/8649308.stm

hmmm.... She basically said nothing out of order at all, just was clearly a bit more intelligent and challenging than Mr Brown's aides had anticipated. Big foot in mouth this one.

Just heard Matthew Parris on radio excuse Mr Brown as saying 'politicians meet bigots all the time'. Parris appears to have not seen the interview and made the same faux pas.

Complaining about them coming here, but not about us going there is as racist as you can get.

Doctor? wrote: Complaining about them coming here, but not about us going there is as racist as you can get.

Don't be a cunt all of your life

2010. Its been a fookin great laugh so far.

Pope Celtic FC Labour / Brown

real people and politicians don't mix.

pure_shaw wrote: all it takes is one racist old biddy and the government falls. he should've given it her with both barrels"listen love, Poles are grafters from the EU, it was Clinton selling mansions to poor black people that fucked up the economy and no wonder kids go on the rampage when all there is to do in Rochdale is eating a pastie next to some bronze sheep".

What a wonderful post.

Cambo's made me laugh out loud as well. Ideologically challenged indeed.

This non-event summarises most of the reasons why I hate politics and the media in this country so much. Gordon very sweetly answered each one of the lady's questions, despite them being shallow and hostile. All he did then, in his way, was questioning his aides about why they allowed her to approach him.

The stump should be about intelligent debate with the electorate, not being bullied in the street by someone with an angry racist who doesn't want to pay her taxes.

And what was Sky News's role in this? Broadcasting the recordings, telling the lady what Gordon had said then ganging up on her in the street, trying to make her cry for the cameras. I wonder if they'd reacted with the same enthusiasm if they had something on their boy Cameron? Doubt it.

Just like Prescott's punch, this has made me think more highly of Gordon, if despairing of the chances that he, or anyone else, will ever be permitted to run this country sensibly ever again.

Burt Burterson wrote: She basically said nothing out of order at all, just was clearly a bit more intelligent and challenging than Mr Brown's aides had anticipated.

What did she say that was intelligent? She was just haranguing him with her shallow opinions and refused to listen to his answers.

I'm sure his aides would love to find someone with something intelligent to say. Sadly, most intelligent people realised a long time ago that all the serious thought went from politics a long time ago.

Pablo Bastardo wrote:

pure_shaw wrote: all it takes is one racist old biddy and the government falls. he should've given it her with both barrels"listen love, Poles are grafters from the EU, it was Clinton selling mansions to poor black people that fucked up the economy and no wonder kids go on the rampage when all there is to do in Rochdale is eating a pastie next to some bronze sheep".

What a wonderful post.

Cambo's made me laugh out loud as well. Ideologically challenged indeed.

This non-event summarises most of the reasons why I hate politics and the media in this country so much. Gordon very sweetly answered each one of the lady's questions, despite them being shallow and hostile. All he did then, in his way, was questioning his aides about why they allowed her to approach him.

The stump should be about intelligent debate with the electorate, not being bullied in the street by someone with an angry racist who doesn't want to pay her taxes.

And what was Sky News's role in this? Broadcasting the recordings, telling the lady what Gordon had said then ganging up on her in the street, trying to make her cry for the cameras. I wonder if they'd reacted with the same enthusiasm if they had something on their boy Cameron? Doubt it.

Just like Prescott's punch, this has made me think more highly of Gordon, if despairing of the chances that he, or anyone else, will ever be permitted to run this country sensibly ever again.

Well, quite. And after being bullied by an angry racist 'voter', Gordy then gets bullied by his own PR 'people':

"Look, you braindead Scottish cunt, just keep putting your fat fucking head in your fat fucking hands and looking like you're going to fry fat lardy fucking tears..."

Pablo Bastardo wrote: What did she say that was intelligent?

Fook all. All lefties talk utter shite

Tanner #1 wrote:

Doctor? wrote: Complaining about them coming here, but not about us going there is as racist as you can get.

Don't be a cunt all of your life

Never confuse the shite I talk with the shite I believe.

Though there ARE far far more of "us" in "their" lands than vice versa, so nobody has any grounds to complain about the bare fact of immigration, end of.

Did this definately happen in Rochdale and not "The Village" look at the woman in the white "Prisoner" style jacket, she's a female number 2

Having finished "It's your funeral" about 5 mins ago, I gotta say yyyyyyyup.

(Had to watch real prisoner to wash away the bad taste the new one left.....he tells someone why he resigned in Ep02, and there's a fucking happy ending.....good show certainly.....prisoner, yer ma!)

Britain IS the fucking village, cammeras everywhere, and don't forget where the first Leisure Centre was.....yup The Village, and we borrowed the term for the "real" world.

Be seeing you.

Speaking as an objective outsider, yous are right, they ARE all cunts, and it IS all just some cartoon nightmare that's replaced standing on policies.

Was it ever any better? Possibly prior to TV.

Pablo Bastardo wrote:

Burt Burterson wrote: She basically said nothing out of order at all, just was clearly a bit more intelligent and challenging than Mr Brown's aides had anticipated.

What did she say that was intelligent? She was just haranguing him with her shallow opinions and refused to listen to his answers.

I wasn't saying she was brainbox of Britain, simply that she wasn't exactly the dumbed down person (and Labour voter) that the average politician ideally wants to talk to on live TV. I didn't find her concerns or opinions shallow either; pretty much representative of the gripes of the average person.

I do like how everyone complains about politcians lying, and 'spin' and what not, and as soon as someone tells the truth, there's a big furore.

The Teacher wrote: I do like how everyone complains about politcians lying, and 'spin' and what not, and as soon as someone tells the truth, there's a big furore.

...which has been the problem from the outset. Brown was touted as the anti-Blair: an old-school, devoutly Leftist politician who wasn't interested in spin. Sounds fantastic, until you remember that you simply cannot to that in the 21st Century. So, Brown (who loathes PR shite as much because he's shit at it as for ideological reasons) gets pilloried because he's not very good with the media....er, even though we all knew that from the start and that's effectively how he was sold to us.

Then, for me, he digs his own grave. I have no issue with him briefly slagging off the old battleaxe who whined about 'foreigners' (in fact, didn't he do as Cambo suggested and told her there are as many UK expats in Europe as their are continentals in the UK?). The problem is he then whinges because his 'people' didn't "keep her away from him", thus selling what's left of his anti-spin credibility down the fucking shitter.

Sounds like Gordon had a normal reaction, just maybe sounded too bitchy cause he was complaining that his aides let her talk to him. She did sound like just another middle aged woman whiny about everything and blaming the immigrants. She prolly would have been bitching about the weather and the traffic lights if he had talked longer with her.

Clayhead Liberation Faction wrote:

The Teacher wrote: I do like how everyone complains about politcians lying, and 'spin' and what not, and as soon as someone tells the truth, there's a big furore.

...which has been the problem from the outset. Brown was touted as the anti-Blair: an old-school, devoutly Leftist politician who wasn't interested in spin. Sounds fantastic, until you remember that you simply cannot to that in the 21st Century. So, Brown (who loathes PR shite as much because he's shit at it as for ideological reasons) gets pilloried because he's not very good with the media....er, even though we all knew that from the start and that's effectively how he was sold to us.

Then, for me, he digs his own grave. I have no issue with him briefly slagging off the old battleaxe who whined about 'foreigners' (in fact, didn't he do as Cambo suggested and told her there are as many UK expats in Europe as their are continentals in the UK?). The problem is he then whinges because his 'people' didn't "keep her away from him", thus selling what's left of his anti-spin credibility down the fucking shitter.

Brown's a leftie?

Ahhhh yes cos he pulled our cock out of the arse of america's latest attacks on defenceless nations back in.... then he nationalised the railways and steel in...... And don't forget how he added a 20% of private healthcare to help find the NHS. He's a tory They're ALL tories Privatise, suck off the rich, sell Britain.

And Burt....as I said anyone complaining about migration in one direction is basically a nazi......"they can't come to our country but we've every right to go to theirs and do what we like.....after all, we're the superior race here" seems to be the attitude.

PS: it;s not "as many brits on the continent as continentals in the UK"....it's as many Brits in just France (6m) as there are foreigners from every nation put together in the UK. So after we "send darkie home", we'll be just as full after we take back the trash we sent to france.....with over 170 countries worth still to find roomm for.

i) I said he was "touted as" a Leftist, Steve. Whether you, or I, or anyone else likes it or not, the vast majority of the voting public do not want 'socialism' - it's the word ALL the parties are scared of. Nor are folk particularly fussed about the British presence within the Middle East, regardless of how "unpopular" said occupation supposedly is. People are much angrier about Jedward or where John Terry puts his cock or their flights being disrupted by volcanoes than they are the hundreds of thousands dead in Iraq and Afghanistan. Neoliberal consensus, innit.

ii) I do not for one minute believe there are "six million" Brits living in France - are you lumping together rich cunts with holiday homes and people who work over there for a percentage of the year in that figure??!

iii) That old soapbox of your must be getting a bit worn out by now, Cambo....

Tis true.

EDIT: actually the figures I can find now, still have us as a net exporter within Europe, but not by anything like as much.

Now I'll have to troll my brain for the original source.

Doctor? wrote: ....as I said anyone complaining about migration in one direction is basically a nazi......"they can't come to our country but we've every right to go to theirs and do what we like.....after all, we're the superior race here" seems to be the attitude.

Britain cannot cope anymore with the mass influx of folk.(it is after all a very small island) Schools,hospitals,and housing doesn't have the resourses. It's NOT racist to say this.

Enjoy Labours last week in charge , you nonsense talking leftie

A VW has slammed his car into a bus stop right next to Lord Mandleson and his new poster, thereby providing a nice summary of the whole campaign.

Ger Boy wrote:

Doctor? wrote: ....as I said anyone complaining about migration in one direction is basically a nazi......"they can't come to our country but we've every right to go to theirs and do what we like.....after all, we're the superior race here" seems to be the attitude.

Britain cannot cope anymore with the mass influx of folk.(it is after all a very small island) Schools,hospitals,and housing doesn't have the resourses. It's NOT racist to say this.

Enjoy Labours last week in charge , you nonsense talking leftie

This is my point. If you don't want "them" here, logically we have to take all those we've sent to "their" countries back....or it really IS saying "white massa can do as he please, but sambo stay at home". So we chuck out a load of foriegners, but we end up MORE overcrowded.

Generally foreigners are better behaved here than we are in their lands too.....I don't recall boatloads of Geordies being kidnapped and sold in Africa for instance.

I often made my views clear on the subject.... If anyone wants to come here and share our way of life they are welcome, they can live next door, and even marry my sister if they like.....but if they come here and try to turn this country into the one they just left, they're morons and cunts, if you liked life in your old country.....save all the time and effort and stay there, rather than trying to turn another one into just as awful a place. For example, I'm all for this ban on head rags that's been passed in Belgium....why? cos I hate muslims? No (more than any other bunch of backward retards such as christians or jews)...nope because if a wommen walked around a muslim country the way she walked round here in the summer, they'd stone her to death. When a Lahndan girl can walk round mecca in 2 shoelaces, you can wear a veil here.

Ger Boy wrote:

Doctor? wrote: ....as I said anyone complaining about migration in one direction is basically a nazi......"they can't come to our country but we've every right to go to theirs and do what we like.....after all, we're the superior race here" seems to be the attitude.

Britain cannot cope anymore with the mass influx of folk.(it is after all a very small island) Schools,hospitals,and housing doesn't have the resourses. It's NOT racist to say this.

You'd be dangerous if you had a brain son. Try and form your own opinions rather than cutting and pasting them from last week's Daily Mail.

Back on topic, and in defence of the Doctor (for a change) the original point he was making is that anyone who starts a sentence with 'I'm not against immigartion, however.....' is pretty much this millenium's equivalent of 'I'm not racist but...'. What usually follows this opening gambit is a load of half baked, fundamentally racist bullshine like the crap spouted by the halfwit above. This is pretty much undeniable.

Pablo Bastardo wrote: A VW has slammed his car into a bus stop right next to Lord Mandleson and his new poster, thereby providing a nice summary of the whole campaign.

Mandelson is possibly the only tangible evidence I've ever seen for there being some dodgy organisation that runs the world in secret. He's a member of some club often described as being that very shady organisation....and no matter how often or how badly he fucks up, no matter how many times they promise he'll never work in whitehall again, he keeps popping back up. I suppose the clincher will be if he becomes PM one day....but it'll be too late by then, evil will have won, we'd have been better off with The Master.

Doctor? wrote:

Pablo Bastardo wrote: A VW has slammed his car into a bus stop right next to Lord Mandleson and his new poster, thereby providing a nice summary of the whole campaign.

Mandelson is possibly the only tangible evidence I've ever seen for there being some dodgy organisation that runs the world in secret. He's a member of some club often described as being that very shady organisation....and no matter how often or how badly he fucks up, no matter how many times they promise he'll never work in whitehall again, he keeps popping back up. I suppose the clincher will be if he becomes PM one day....but it'll be too late by then, evil will have won, we'd have been better off with The Master.

Whisper on the cobbles is that if you fuse Peter Mandelson and the Master together,you come up with something called George Osbourne,son of Beelzebub.

Bit of a lesser of the evils election for many voters this one.

Tucker wrote: Not to mention the fact that Mandy is technically unelected yet wields a pretty hefty amount of real power. Democracy in action, not. He is without a doubt the Malcolm Tucker of Gord's administration. He's a shrewd guy but I don't think anybody trusts him as far as they could throw him.

Including our beleaguered PM probably!

In a blow for democracy let's remember poor Gordon is a beleagured PM who also happens to be unelected in the position he himself currently enjoys.

Bit of a shambles,really.

see the sun was trying to buy gillian duffy's story, presumably getting her to slag off the labour party but she has refused the money good for her.

Doctor? wrote:

Ger Boy wrote:

Doctor? wrote: ....as I said anyone complaining about migration in one direction is basically a nazi......"they can't come to our country but we've every right to go to theirs and do what we like.....after all, we're the superior race here" seems to be the attitude.

Britain cannot cope anymore with the mass influx of folk.(it is after all a very small island) Schools,hospitals,and housing doesn't have the resourses. It's NOT racist to say this.

Enjoy Labours last week in charge , you nonsense talking leftie

This is my point. If you don't want "them" here, logically we have to take all those we've sent to "their" countries back....or it really IS saying "white massa can do as he please, but sambo stay at home". So we chuck out a load of foriegners, but we end up MORE overcrowded.

.

Controlled immigration is good. It's the Labour free for all that has annoyed the majority of the UK. Why should some bloke from Iraq who has only been in the country a few months, get a council flat ahead of a tax paying UK resident who has been waiting years.

I don't see many UK residents hiding in lorries to try and get into other countries.

It's got nothing to do with race or Brits working abroad. It's to do with common fookin sense. Which Labour and Brown don't have

GlasVegas wrote:

Ger Boy wrote:

Doctor? wrote: ....as I said anyone complaining about migration in one direction is basically a nazi......"they can't come to our country but we've every right to go to theirs and do what we like.....after all, we're the superior race here" seems to be the attitude.

Britain cannot cope anymore with the mass influx of folk.(it is after all a very small island) Schools,hospitals,and housing doesn't have the resourses. It's NOT racist to say this.

You'd be dangerous if you had a brain son. Try and form your own opinions rather than cutting and pasting them from last week's Daily Mail.

Back on topic, and in defence of the Doctor (for a change) the original point he was making is that anyone who starts a sentence with 'I'm not against immigartion, however.....' is pretty much this millenium's equivalent of 'I'm not racist but...'. What usually follows this opening gambit is a load of half baked, fundamentally racist bullshine like the crap spouted by the halfwit above. This is pretty much undeniable.

Im surprised a leftie tim doesn't agree with me But I do like a laugh at the shite you come out with

Gordy's more likable to me now, but it is kinda a lame scandal as John Stewart points out

http://tv.gawker.com/5528164/jon-stewart-mocks-the-laughable-tameness-of-british-political-scandals

:sigh:

If it wasn't for immigration the economy wouldn't have been so successful, prior to the recession, and people can't blame other people for wanting a better life, or just 'a life'.

It's economics, not immigration: Immigrants are welcomed and encouraged when there are more crappy jobs than people willing to do them, then a recession comes along, jobs dry up, then the whinging starts.

Then the merry cycle starts all over again.

UpDownTurnAround wrote: :sigh:

If it wasn't for immigration the economy wouldn't have been so successful, prior to the recession, and people can't blame other people for wanting a better life, or just 'a life'. :

Thats obvious,but.... Would you give me your house for free ,and then give me money to live in it ? No you wouldn't. But I want a better life I will argue.

You have to have limits and control who lives in your country. This hasn't happened in the UK, hence why the current government are 3rd in the polls and are going to be kicked out next week. Thank god!

Even the leftie looney Guardian doesn't support Labour anymore Guardian

UpDownTurnAround wrote: :sigh:

If it wasn't for immigration the economy wouldn't have been so successful, prior to the recession, and people can't blame other people for wanting a better life, or just 'a life'.

It's economics, not immigration: Immigrants are welcomed and encouraged when there are more crappy jobs than people willing to do them, then a recession comes along, jobs dry up, then the whinging starts.

Then the merry cycle starts all over again.

i don't think anyone sane here is disagreeing with allowing immigration; i suspect the problems arise in some hotspots in parts of the country where resources come under strain due to overpopulation rather than nationality. As someone who lives in London and frequently spends hours in traffic being cut up by every Tom, Dick and Harry each morning I can say I have plenty of experience of this. I've had two company vehicles effectively 'written off' in five years due to being shunted by people from other countries. In BOTH cases the insurance claims had to go to the loss adjusters due to the drivers being uninsured. In one case the driver turned out to be illegal and is quite probably still around writing off other insured cars.

As for Mr Brown's new list for professional occupations for migrants to be allowed in or pushed to the front of the queue, one of the occupations on the list happens to be 'SHEEP SHEARER' (I kid ye not!). One wonders how many professional migrant sheep shearers we have driving unlicensed minicabs around London.

Ger Boy wrote:

Why should some bloke from Iraq who has only been in the country a few months, get a council flat ahead of a tax paying UK resident who has been waiting years.

I don't see many UK residents hiding in lorries to try and get into other countries.

Well, I wholeheartedly agree, nobody should get pushed aside like that, regardless of where the beneficiary may hail from. However, I'm reasonably sure these matters are 1 in a million if they happen at all, the rest happen only in the minds of Daily Fail "journalists". I say this with some confidence, cos I was raised a billy bigot, raised "knowing" that....."fenians get fuckin everything handed to them, they're lazy, don't work, sponge all the money off us hard working prods, steal all our houses" etc, ALWAYS accompanied by the friend of a friend who had it happen to them[1]....by my early teens I was having my doubts....living in an entirely prod estate, with no mysterious midnight replacing of good honest hard working prods with unwashed rabbit breeding taigs (the proddy spelling)...in fact, quite the reverse, any time a chapel going family did arrive, a young mother and two kids for example....they'd be burned out in weeks cos they were clearly an IRA cell. Not to mention, it seemed lots of people in the estate lived off the government. Then once I actually began mixing with the enemy, I heard the same exact descriptions, the same exact friend of a friend shite, but with the words jaffa and hun and blue nose instead. So, I DO doubt these tales. Giving someone preferential treatment because they are of foreign extraction, is precisely the same as mistreating them for the same reason, it's treating a human being differently because of the levels of a certain chemical in their skin....racism and fucktadery[3]. So is the fact that a black geezer can say nigger but I have say n*.

Hmmmmm...given the choice, I'd prefer my uninvited guests to arrive by truck,hungry, tired, out of fight, and smelling gently of tomatoes, than by C130, heavily armed, misinformed, scared and believing themselves to be superior. Just saying like.

[1] "friend of a friend" usually means "I half heard this in the pub"......remember the one, post 11/9/01 about the friend of a friend picking up and returning the arabian gentleman's wallet, and in return for his honesty, receiving advice to stay out of town on saturday. Or the one about the friend of a friend who narrowly avoided the perfume salesman with the Chloroform. There have been studies on this. So when I hear "friend of a friend", or more often a relation of a relation in this inbred little burg, I instantly think bullshit.

[3] Ok, there are obviously times when it may be appropriate....yelling at a non english speaker in english aint gonna get you anywhere. The Govt manage to fuck this kind of thing up....the logic being...."we have a lot of (eg) Punjabi speakers in this area, we'll print all our literature in English and Punjabu forever"....when a rather less retarded idea would be to spend half as much money putting on English classes for local Punjabi speakers (and anyone not old or slow or posessed of some good reason, who doesn't jump at the chance, should probably be politely advised to fook off back to the Punjab (and likewise all the brits overseas should actually make a fucking effort for once too, I hear SO much "he didn't even speak english" nonsense, but know people who lived in India 10 years and could barely say hello in any native tounge, same for spain, New Zealand, Australia......even England ironically....as English is an invaders language. I'm no bleeding heart leftie me.

El Jarvo wrote:

Ger Boy wrote: You have to have limits and control who lives in your country.

Agreed; I'd definitely have all the Jocks kicked out of Engerland.

And you lot should probably take back all the Prods from Ireland that settled over there during the Plantations. That'll sort out the Oirish problem straight away!

Bloody excellent idea, with centuries worth of reparations paid of course by whichever country set the whole scheme up in the first place....who was that again?

You'd end up with more worries though.

1. It'd all kick off in Scotland when the "prodigal hun" return, fighting with the stay behind ones, the scots catholics will FREAK at the sudden orange tide and start bombing all over the show.
2. Ireland will go balistic, cos the republicans will have to find SOMEONE to fight with.
3. In deference to an old English tradition, all of the above will be carried out in England for fear of spoiling Scotland and Ireland.

El Jarvo wrote:

Agreed; I'd definitely have all the Jocks kicked out of Engerland.

Fook off you can keep Gordon Brown

But what about the plastic Jocks like Shug and Rod Stewart?