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How does this line-up sound for a Festival:
Yo la tengo Teenage Fanclub Bell & Sebastian Godspeed you! Black Emperor Julian Cope Mogwai Sonic Youth The Streets The White Stripes
All of these and many more in the fantabulous city of Barcelona-sur-la-mere. 23rd and 24th of May. That is less than two weeks from now.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
God, I love this place! 
23th and 24th of May. Barcelona, all the following groups and many more:
Budvar, please restrain yourself from harming those Sonic Youngsters. They're due to play Lisbon on the 25th, ya know 
Oh, and we're having The Fall in July
Bunty, given you live in sunny Spain on the coast, where do you yourself holiday? - I have extensive knowledge of several beautiful areas of Espana (also, I speak Spanish - tapas please) and would be interested to learn where people like your good self cut their cloth accordingly.
Do you mainly stay around Barca?
Originally posted by Huntsman Bunty, given you live in sunny Spain on the coast, where do you yourself holiday? - I have extensive knowledge of several beautiful areas of Espana (also, I speak Spanish - tapas please) and would be interested to learn where people like your good self cut their cloth accordingly.Do you mainly stay around Barca?
Well Huntsy much as the Hollywood actors who tired of the endless stream of beautiful, naked aspiring actresses passing through their lifes leaving behind only the briefest of thongs go and spend their holidays cleaning the yaksties of the Dalai Lama, I do not usually spend my holidays in Spain and dream of only of going to Blighty to enjoy drizzle, tea and scones and pints of bitter.
Last year I went to Galicia in the northwest of Spain. It's got beautiful beaches, breathtaking landscapes and scruptious food however if I remember rightly you are a vegetarian. Do you eat fish? If so Galicia is your best option (the coast may have been slightly tainted by the recent oil spillage but I heard is near normal now.
This year I am almost certainly staying in Barcelona because I am trying to learn to sail in the forlorn hope that Barney may enrole me as second mate in his yacht. There so many places around here that I could not start to comment on them. What do you have in mind?
Originally posted by Monsieur Round&Round Who the hell are BELL&Sebastian?
why, that's the Taco Bell dog and Johann Sebastian Bach, and they've teamed up for the ultimate sonic experiance "5th Symphony in Hot Sauce" :D
Originally posted by Taboo # 7 > Originally posted by Monsieur Round&Round Who the hell are BELL&Sebastian?
why, that's the Taco Bell dog and Johann Sebastian Bach, and they've teamed up for the ultimate sonic experiance "5th Symphony in Hot Sauce" :D
Dyslexia rules OK!
Originally posted by Budvar Huber Fantastic, I have hijacked my own thread.....
Actually, it was Huntsmaniac (again...)
Originally posted by Budvar Huber
Originally posted by Taboo # 7
Originally posted by Monsieur Round&Round Who the hell are BELL&Sebastian?
why, that's the Taco Bell dog and Johann Sebastian Bach, and they've teamed up for the ultimate sonic experiance "5th Symphony in Hot Sauce" :D
Dyslexia rules OK!
that should be "!KO selur aixelsyD" :D
I was just having a little fun 
Anyways, sounds like a top-notch concert, way better than the triple bill of Ted Nugent, REO Speedwagon, and Journey (or is it Styx?) that's coming to the Bi-Lo Center in Greenville sometime soon. I keep hearing about it on the local "classic rock" station, as if it's 1982 all over again.....
Originally posted by Taboo # 7 > Originally posted by Budvar Huber> > > > Originally posted by Taboo # 7> > > > > > > Originally posted by Monsieur Round&Round> > > Who the hell are BELL&Sebastian?
why, that's the Taco Bell dog and Johann Sebastian Bach, and they've teamed up for the ultimate sonic experiance "5th Symphony in Hot Sauce" :D
Dyslexia rules OK!
that should be "!KO selur aixelsyD" :D
I was just having a little fun
Anyways, sounds like a top-notch concert, way better than the triple bill of Ted Nugent, REO Speedwagon, and Journey (or is it Styx?) that's coming to the Bi-Lo Center in Greenville sometime soon. I keep hearing about it on the local "classic rock" station, as if it's 1982 all over again.....
Good Lord, Tabbsy, REO speedwagon still doing the rounds!
Cause I can't fight this feeling anymore I've forgotten why I started barfing for And if I have to crawl upon the floor Come puking through your door Baby, I can't fight this feeling anymore
:barf:
Oops I did it again! 
Budveiser, I had no immediate plans for another visit to Espanol, ola etc. - but I have noted your overwhelming recommendation of Glitzy on the Sparrow in the northern neck of the woods.
Your memory is almost like a computer recalling the fact that I am a non carnivore. Unfortunately the question do I eat fish is both insulting and has brought me out in a small rash. Of course I do not eat fish my friend, as these little fellows are god's work and do not deserve to be consumed with vinegarette or salt.
I was recently in Seville, and thoroughly enjoyed a cheese sandwich (which is neither fish nor flesh). Funnily enough, the comanchero behind the counter spoke to me in his native tongue whilst puffing on a long cheroot and I duly replied in my second language. It was only after a long pause I had to confess I needed a little work on my Spanish before he mistook my order for 2 garden hoses and a chaffinch on toast.
I simply must comment that more variants on the paella theme would be good for us chosen few, as the vege-Paellador is wearing a bit thin now.
Originally posted by Huntsman Budveiser, I had no immediate plans for another visit to Espanol, ola etc. - but I have noted your overwhelming recommendation of Glitzy on the Sparrow in the northern neck of the woods.Your memory is almost like a computer recalling the fact that I am a non carnivore. Unfortunately the question do I eat fish is both insulting and has brought me out in a small rash. Of course I do not eat fish my friend, as these little fellows are god's work and do not deserve to be consumed with vinegarette or salt.I was recently in Seville, and thoroughly enjoyed a cheese sandwich (which is neither fish nor flesh). Funnily enough, the comanchero behind the counter spoke to me in his native tongue whilst puffing on a long cheroot and I duly replied in my second language. It was only after a long pause I had to confess I needed a little work on my Spanish before he mistook my order for 2 garden hoses and a chaffinch on toast.I simply must comment that more variants on the paella theme would be good for us chosen few, as the vege-Paellador is wearing a bit thin now.
From the look of it your spanish is as good as your portuguese 
Originally posted by Huntsman Budveiser, I had no immediate plans for another visit to Espanol, ola etc. - but I have noted your overwhelming recommendation of Glitzy on the Sparrow in the northern neck of the woods.Your memory is almost like a computer recalling the fact that I am a non carnivore. Unfortunately the question do I eat fish is both insulting and has brought me out in a small rash. Of course I do not eat fish my friend, as these little fellows are god's work and do not deserve to be consumed with vinegarette or salt.I was recently in Seville, and thoroughly enjoyed a cheese sandwich (which is neither fish nor flesh). Funnily enough, the comanchero behind the counter spoke to me in his native tongue whilst puffing on a long cheroot and I duly replied in my second language. It was only after a long pause I had to confess I needed a little work on my Spanish before he mistook my order for 2 garden hoses and a chaffinch on toast.I simply must comment that more variants on the paella theme would be good for us chosen few, as the vege-Paellador is wearing a bit thin now.
Ahh Seville...loveliest place in Spain with the most beautiful and classier girls in the world. Huntsy, I am very sorry that you do not eat neither fish nor meat because that, not being a great fuss in England where you can feast in the delicious overcooked vegs with horseradish sauce would render you as impaired in Seville as the fabled blind begging in Granada because "Gentlemen, there is no greater punishment visited upon man on Earth as that of being blind in Granada"
Otherwise I could guide you to a small bar in Seville where they make this marinated fried little fish (but fully grown, mind you!) that put you in direct contact with your deity of chose. Atheists have been known to convert on the spot!
I'm sure this lightly battered fish tastes as memorable as a decent buxted mushroom Brunch Packets ... but please, as a staunch vegetarian with the simple belief that a man should never consume his own friends, I do not sit easily in my seat hearing how the fish's backside is par-boiled before a random monk in Madrid happens by to consume it and switch his faith to something a little less stressful.
Believe it or not, the last time I was in Spain (recently), I had a stand-up scrap with a lady who could not fathom why I did not want 'lobster' when I protested that my set meal was entirely meat!!! - ... 'okay, okay sir we will specially prepare you lobster'. Oh gosh its making me shake just thinking about it. Do you know what I ended up eating? - what 'the chef' managed to prepare? ... lettuce, boiled peas and some freaky stringed bean swimming in water. It was an utter sham to the vegetarian world.
Grenada Bud, I was there a couple of years ago and we ended up (don't ask me) following what looked like a tramp, into the back streets as he beckoned us to follow him. Perhaps it was the heat but I'm pleased we turned away when we did otherwise he may have chopped our heads clean off.
Other than that I quite liked the place, very atmospheric and shit was it hot.
My mistake - it was actually Valencia we went to not Seville. I've got my orange producers mixed up there. Granada (and not Grenada) though is correct, remember that place quite well.
Have you ever visited the Palace of Alhambra? - we drove about 2 million miles and got there as it shut at 5pm. Never mind.
And boy was it hot.
Originally posted by Monsieur Round&Round > Originally posted by Huntsman> Budveiser, I had no immediate plans for another visit to Espanol, ola etc. ->
From the look of it your spanish is as good as your portuguese
Laugh it up fuzzball, but remember that I am capable of 3 languages. I can also say hello in German.
Originally posted by Huntsman I'm sure this lightly battered fish tastes as memorable as a decent buxted mushroom Brunch Packets ... but please, as a staunch vegetarian with the simple belief that a man should never consume his own friends, I do not sit easily in my seat hearing how the fish's backside is par-boiled before a random monk in Madrid happens by to consume it and switch his faith to something a little less stressful.Believe it or not, the last time I was in Spain (recently), I had a stand-up scrap with a lady who could not fathom why I did not want 'lobster' when I protested that my set meal was entirely meat!!! - ... 'okay, okay sir we will specially prepare you lobster'. Oh gosh its making me shake just thinking about it. Do you know what I ended up eating? - what 'the chef' managed to prepare? ... lettuce, boiled peas and some freaky stringed bean swimming in water. It was an utter sham to the vegetarian world.Grenada Bud, I was there a couple of years ago and we ended up (don't ask me) following what looked like a tramp, into the back streets as he beckoned us to follow him. Perhaps it was the heat but I'm pleased we turned away when we did otherwise he may have chopped our heads clean off.Other than that I quite liked the place, very atmospheric and shit was it hot.
Yeahh, I must admit that a clear understanding of other peoles views is not one of the defining (or most endearing) traits of my fellow countrymen. I have a German friend here in Barcelona who a couple of weeks ago went into this restaurant to be presented with a menu where he could not eat anything, he called the waitress and explained he was vegetarian so the waitress offered to bring him a salad and some eggs (my friend does eat eggs), unfortunately the chef must have thought that that was too few food for a growing lad and he added tuna and anchovies to the salad. My friend explained again and that was duly changed, then arrived the eggs of course cooked with bechamel sauce and generously sprinkled with.... ham bits...When he complained again it was suggested that it was he being fussy and please we do not need this kind of abuse here....
Excellent Budveiser, you have just encapsulated the bigger picture with your fascinating real life story direct from downtown Catalunya.
It is mystifying how (in modern times) a competent restaurant cannot grasp the simple ethic; no meat please. There are so many alternatives I cannot understand why supposed restaurant professionals do not employ staff capable of creating alternatives (see, I'm forced to use that word, forced into being an alternative person).
The use of the word 'abuse' is the crunch Bunch of Bananas, because after a while, they've cocked the order up that much they become so confused they genuinely feel like they are suffering abuse.
I have many similar experiences to your friend from the fatherland, German Terry. Together we are a potent force to upset ill mannered cafe owners and meat presenters.
I cannot insult the entire of Spain Mr. Buckets, but Butler, if you can see it, and I can see it, and Germany Terry has almost eaten it! - then why, why oh why oh why oh why, cannot the chefs of the world see it?
(incidentally, I also eat eggs).
Mind, I have heard in Barca a local delicacy is bulls balls - surely that can't be right?
Originally posted by Huntsman Excellent Budveiser, you have just encapsulated the bigger picture with your fascinating real life story direct from downtown Catalunya.It is mystifying how (in modern times) a competent restaurant cannot grasp the simple ethic; no meat please. There are so many alternatives I cannot understand why supposed restaurant professionals do not employ staff capable of creating alternatives (see, I'm forced to use that word, forced into being an alternative person).The use of the word 'abuse' is the crunch Bunch of Bananas, because after a while, they've cocked the order up that much they become so confused they genuinely feel like they are suffering abuse.I have many similar experiences to your friend from the fatherland, German Terry. Together we are a potent force to upset ill mannered cafe owners and meat presenters.I cannot insult the entire of Spain Mr. Buckets, but Butler, if you can see it, and I can see it, and Germany Terry has almost eaten it! - then why, why oh why oh why oh why, cannot the chefs of the world see it?(incidentally, I also eat eggs).Mind, I have heard in Barca a local delicacy is bulls balls - surely that can't be right?
I am very sorry to say that it is perfectly true. It is called "criadillas" and it is a typical joke practised on foreign friends to present them with a plate of these lightly battered telling them they are meatballs, watch them eat the testes with relish and then loudly breaking the news on them to general merriment.
Myself I have never touched this stuff, I have eaten bull's tail though and very tasty it was.
Butler, is it possible to explain the separation between Spanish speaking Barcelona type inhabitants and the apparent historic dialect of Catalan (Catalunya)? - I've stayed in Barcode before and I couldn't quite understand why there was this variation. Is it a case of traditionalists wishing to retain their historical roots and new trendy Barcode kids stooping to conquer?
Veering off the beaten track I have strayed into the back streets where seemingly these balls are consumed in hilarious prank style methods ... but all I managed was double-egg and chips swimming in vinegar which was ace. Also, me and my friends all agreed that the bottled Coke was about a billion times nicer and more genuine than the UK version.
Actually Catalan is not a dialect but a language in its own right. It originated on the Middle Ages, Spain was then invaded by the Muslims and only some pockets of resistance remained in the North. One of this pockets evolve into Castilla and the other into Aragon. Both Kingdoms claiming to be the rightful descendants of the Hispanic Goth Kingdom. At this time the low Latin spoken by the commoners started to be written and evolving. Since Spain was divided in different kingdoms each developed its own roughly Galician in the Northwest, Castilian in Castilla and Catalonian in the east. At this point in time Catalonia was only an earldom, part of the Aragonian Crown which at one point occupied big chunks of the Mediterranean as far as the Dukedom of Neopatria in Greece. In fact an early version of Catalan is still spoken in some villages in Sardinia. Time passed, the Reconquista (the slow process of regaining the land occupied by the Muslims which lasted from 711 till 1492) advanced and since Castillian kings were more succesful in their campaigns and also the empty lands left behind by the retreating muslims were repopulated mainly by castilian spoken Spaniards, Castilian became prevalent in Spain while catalan remained a villagers language with little if any literature or grammatical evolution. Centuries passed and the Romanticism reignited the interest for the Middle Ages, local traditions, folk lore...the catalonian expression of this wider movement was called La Renaixença and the Catalan language was reinvigorated, codified and get literary development. This movement started around 1830 and lasted for the rest of the century. Its greatest poet being Mossen (priest) Cinto Verdaguer.
Unfortunately then came the XXth century and the language became a weapon of choice instead of a tool of communication. Franco tried to impose this onanistic vision of Spain as a uniformed land where only one language, one religion, one Zeitgeist and one make of cars were to be tollerated (and most of all one dictator) and he tried to banish the catalan language. To no effect, of course.
Then Franco died, Catalonia and all the regions of Spain got unprecedented levels of devolution and self government and the Catalan Nationalists got to the regional government which they used and are still using to try to impose this onanistic vision of Catalonia as a uniformed land where only one language and above all one party is to be tollerated, despite the fact that roughly 50% of the population do not have catalan as its mother tongue. We have got to the nonsense that many children learning today in state schools receive less classes of Spanish than of English. The damage this is producing to this children is huge and will only be noted in the future. Do nationalist care. Of course not. This children will grow to be the pefect cannon fodder for the nationalist. Snowball would be proud.
Anyway, the catalan language is of course as innocent of this abuses as was the Spanish before. It's a beautiful language closer to Latin than Spanish and specially apt for poetry. This is a sample from Verdaguer:
Quan á la falda't miro de Montjuich seguda,
m'apar vèuret als brassos d'Alcides gegantí,
que per guardar sa filla del seu costat nascuda
en serra transformantse s'hagués quedat aquí.
Y al veure que traus sempre rocam de ses entranyes 5
per tos casals, que creixen com arbres ab sahó,
apar que diga á l'ona y al cel y á les montanyes:
-Miraula; òs de mos òssos, s'es feta gran com jo!-
Sorry about the long post but you asked for it!
Thanks Bud - that's quite an extensive potted history. I'll need to spend a few more weeks before I've read every page but I will complete the task.
The poetry was nice, its a good job I can speak Spanish. I liked the bit about onions.
