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Couldnt have put it better myself. If that line up doesnt significantly improve then i'll go in and watch Doves and then bugger off.

And for those thinking that theres a chance that Morrissey will play, read the following and bear in mind Joyce is best mates with Andy Rourke:

Statement from Morrissey 30 November 2005

Statement from Morrissey:

The latest statements from M Joyce on a BBC 6 radio interview as faithfully reported on the MorrisseySoLow site have been brought to my attention and I feel I should make this reply as an attempt to put the matter straight.

  1. From '83 to '87 M Joyce happily and willingly received 10% of Smiths recording royalties.

  2. In '89, as is documented, Joyce sued Morrissey & Marr for 25% of Smiths recording royalties.

  3. In '96, Joyce took his claim to court - and on the basis of the 1890 Partnership Act the judge awarded Joyce 25%.

  4. In '97, M Joyce was paid 215 thousand pounds from me, and 215 thousand pounds from Johnny Marr.

  5. In '99, Joyce appeared on British television and made the statement: "There was no contract saying we were gonna get 25%."

  6. In 2001, as a final payment of back royalties, Johnny Marr paid Joyce 260 thousand pounds, plus "costs." At this time I was in the US and was not served with court proceedings, so Joyce obtained a Default Judgment. He then put forward a claim from me for 688 thousand pounds - well above and beyond the amount Johnny Marr was ordered to pay. In my absence, the figure was not contested.

  7. Since 2001, and because of the Default Judgment against me, Joyce has taken out Third Party Orders against the following societies: my personal bank account in England, Smiths royalties from Warner Music, my personal PRS royalties, my personal PPL royalties, and he has attempted to seize UK concert fees from venue to venue. This money, to date, totals 700 thousand pounds. This figure is in addition to the figures mentioned above.

  8. By grabbing the full total of Smiths royalties from Warner Music (and this means that when the public buy a Smiths CD in the UK, the royalties go to Joyce, and have done so since 2001) Joyce has knowingly deprived Andy Rourke of his 10% Smiths royalties, and has deprived producers John Porter, Stephen Street, Grant Showbiz and Steve Lillywhite (for "Ask") of their entitlements. Joyce did not declare to the courts that others - namely, the above - were also beneficiaries to the Warner Music royalties.

  9. In 2001, Joyce attempted to seize both my mother's house and my sister's house by claiming that I had taken my assets out of the UK; he made this claim even though he had direct access to all of the above – which are in the UK. Joyce eventually dropped both of these claims due to lack of evidence, and he refused to pay the 150 thousand pounds that it had cost me to defend his groundless claims. Joyce also dropped his claim as co-composer with Johnny M on Smiths compositions, and Joyce also dropped his claim for Producer royalties on Smiths recordings, and Joyce also dropped his claim for a share of Artwork payments given to me for providing Smiths record sleeves. There were, in fact, no payments to me for Smiths Artwork. Joyce made a further claim for 25% of all Smiths t-shirts sold during the '83 to '87 period, even though there was no evidence that any royalty for t-shirts had been received by either myself or Johnny Marr.

  10. In legal fees alone, Joyce has cost me 600 thousand pounds - this is quite apart from any payments made to him, and is quite apart from any money seized by him. In total, Joyce has cost me 1 million, 515 thousand pounds. This is an approximate figure - it could even be higher.

  11. The Joyce action is continuous. Because of his Default Judgment he continues to take my royalties, and the royalties of others mentioned above, from Warner Music - consequently I have not received record royalties since 2001.

  12. Since 2001, the money claimed by Joyce is charged, to me, at 100 pounds a day in interest.

  13. During the Smiths' lifetime, when Joyce willingly took a 10% royalty, he did not contribute towards any expenses of any kind, did not take on any Partnership duties or responsibilities, and he received his 10% as gross earnings.

The point I wish to make is this: Joyce is not poor, unless, living as he does in the Cheshire green-belt, he lives beyond his means. Somehow, he appears to believe that he should have equal financial status to both myself and to Johnny Marr, even though Joyce has done dramatically less than Johnny and I to attain the positions we now have.

Joyce is not poor because of one reason - me. His career now is the fictitious position of an unpaid ex-member of the Smiths. He has also pursued all of his claims on Legal Aid.

I don't make this statement in search of sympathy from anyone, but I wish that the people at MorrisseySoLow who support Joyce would at least get their facts right before they say anything. Even with his 10% share, Joyce was wealthy. Now, he is extremely wealthy.

What more does he want?

I have fought the Joyce action as much as I could over the years, but the simple truth is that, under British law, the word of a judge will not be overturned. In the absence of any evidence from the 1980s, the judge in this case relied upon the Partnership Act of 1890 to help Joyce win his claim. Joyce has exploited the judge's final verdict in order to get as much as he can from me, from Johnny Marr, and also from Andy Rourke.

Finally, Joyce does not have the legal right to sell unreleased Smiths material - it belongs to Warner Music. Joyce did not pay for the recording time under which any demo material was recorded. Furthermore, Joyce cannot sell any unreleased work by Johnny Marr or Andy Rourke without, at very least, their permission.

Thanks for reading this, MORRISSEY.

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Maybe it'll be Electronic reforming! :eek:

That'll stick an extra, um, 26 tickets on the door. :uhoh: :lol:

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Or Revenge! Jesus, it'll be like Cities in the Park 91 all over again!

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Got a response back from the website says "all will be revealed next week!" Bit of a cop out. the guy who sent the email is stevechapm@yahoo.com. Maybe if we all send him loads of emails he might get so pissed off that he gives in and tells us. :yawn:

P.s me and Jt are going to stay at Malmaison for this one if anybody is up for it.

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monty wrote: Shite! What's going on.New Order replaced by..err...Stephen Fretwell? Even more intriguing,is on another site,the rumour mill is grinding out stories of a possible SMITHS REUNION(!?) Can't see it myself.Although MOZZER's on better terms with Andy Roarke,I don't think any bridges have been mended with Mike Joyce.:confused2:

yeah it just wouldn't be the smiths without joyce....

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lucyjane wrote: Got a response back from the website says "all will be revealed next week!" Bit of a cop out. the guy who sent the email is stevechapm@yahoo.com. Maybe if we all send him loads of emails he might get so pissed off that he gives in and tells us. :yawn:

P.s me and Jt are going to stay at Malmaison for this one if anybody is up for it.

Just spoke to the guy and got the same response "there will be a press release next week" - meantime, keep checking the website! Who knows?

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This is not good news, f...k

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(The Good Doctor) Martin Fradley wrote:

And what, exactly, is Peter Kay going to "compare"?? His willy with Ricky Gervais???

:scratch:

Well, you never know. It is all in the name of charidee!

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Perhaps the 'Manc' band in question is Take That?

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(The Good Doctor) Martin Fradley wrote: Perhaps the 'Manc' band in question is Take That?

Aaaarrrrghhhhhhhhh! :angry:

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Or 10CC!! Their coffers must be getting a bit low,they could always borrow some cash of Mike Joyce!

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P.s me and Jt are going to stay at Malmaison for this one if anybody is up for it.

Ya flash Yorkshire bastards, whats wrong with a travel tavern, good enough for Alan Partridge :D

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What's the money on Freebass playing?

I'll ask Hooky next Friday night.

I have quite a long list of questions for him, actually!

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Somebody should ask Jack to ask his dad if he'll be all alone that day or not.

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"Dad, will you be playing with yourself at Manc Aid or will Bernard and the others be playing with you?"

"Get to your room"

:lol:

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BIGINOIL wrote: "Dad, will you be playing with yourself at Manc Aid or will Bernard and the others be playing with you?"

"Get to your room"

:lol:

Sure as hell beats The Osbournes...:lol:

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"Turn that bloody music UP - yer mam and me can hardly hear it from down here!"

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BIGINOIL wrote: I have quite a long list of questions for him, actually!

I want to have your children is, technically, not a question. :evil4:

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I really thought the big comeback might be Stone Roses,seeing as Mani appeared on stage with Ian Brown on his Solarised Tour at the Apollo. But reading the Manchester Eveing News tonight,it seems as likely as shite from a rocking horse...

"We may pine for such seminal bands as The Smiths and The Stone Roses to bury the hatchet.But John Squire and Ian Brown have not exchanged a word since the Roses split.Brown says the band are now "miles apart".Bassist Mani's verdict on chances of the Roses blooming again seems even bleaker."we'll reform the day after Man City win the European Championship"."

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SO WHAT EXACTLY IS THE SCORE WITH THIS GIG???

ARE NEW ORDER PLAYING OR NOT????? ANYBODY GOT DEFINITIVE INFO AND WHEN WILL THE TICKETS BE OUT (APART FROM DECEMBER)

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david ball wrote: SO WHAT EXACTLY IS THE SCORE WITH THIS GIG???

ARE NEW ORDER PLAYING OR NOT????? ANYBODY GOT DEFINITIVE INFO AND WHEN WILL THE TICKETS BE OUT (APART FROM DECEMBER)

At this moment we don't have any FIRM confirmation if it is PETER HOOK or NEW ORDER!As for tickets AGAIN,sorry but no idea.Ain't HELPFUL but TRUTH EVEN HERE!:thumb:

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maybe it will get to the stage were we only hear in the pub just before. that would be magic :deal:

actually ive thought about this a bit more..the rest of new order are not going to sit back with all the excitement going on in manchester that day about this worthy event -- they will be on for sure :thumb:

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And think I nearly booked flights for this event. Thank fook I didn't. I certainly hope Brazil Order wasn't too hasty either :laugh:

With my luck, The Smiths will then make an unannounced one-off surprise gig at this event :banghead:

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The only Manc bands that I could see playing this, who aren't listed yet are:

NO; Happy Mondays; Inspiral Carpets; ACR; Durutti Column.

If they're ready, Free Bass would be an interesting possibility but if Hooky's away for half of January DJing in the US, that seems a bit of a push.

Otherwise it's Sad Cafe :evil4:

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The post earlier in this thread shows why there's more chance of George W and Saddam releasing a joint xmas single than the Smiths reforming.

When Morrissey was the curator of the South Bank shows earlier this year, he asked David Johannson to reform the NY Dolls. DJ offerred "only if you reform the Smiths". "Absolutely not" was the terse response. Aint gonna happen, especially if the gig, which could spark a surge in sales of Smiths records, saw all the generated PRS go to Joyce!.

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:abovelol:

I know a Smiths reunion is practically impossible. I was merely being ironic about my luck, which is notoriously bad e.g. picking Sound of Music at the Brixton sweepstake :nonono:

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Maybe Frank Sidebottom will reform with himself!

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monty wrote: Maybe Frank Sidebottom will reform with himself!

as jilted john ? or maybe as monty postman john,singing - 'ive been going out with a girl,her name is julie' :abovelol:

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King of Nothing wrote: And think I nearly booked flights for this event. Thank fook I didn't. I certainly hope Brazil Order wasn't too hasty either :laugh:

With my luck, The Smiths will then make an unannounced one-off surprise gig at this event :banghead:

Looking forward to meeting you again, Sir! WHENEVER! :)

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No news is apparently 'good' news - and there isn't any yet! But, when I know.........

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