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Hey, we're allowed to suck ass at it, we didn't invent it :)
You can do lights eh? Makes me feel safer already :)
Actually I was saying to Maya last night, can you imagine if jack's old boy weighs in....the sound of a dozen basses hitting the floor and their owners wandering away and disowning them....or at very least the ruslte of all those straps being lengthened so we don't appear gay to him :)
I've only just noticed this thread!!
Mancland it is then. We will be there. We don't want paying (expenses or otherwise), throw anything that would have gone to us into the charity pot.
Steve, if anyone is using acoustic drums I can set up your mics for you.
Flight are easy to set up. We use 2 x guitars, 1 x keys and 1 x bass. Drums are from Laptop (which will need to be drirectly connected to house PA).
The stage at Jabez is small from memory (and about 2 inches off the floor) so all bands will need to talk to each other and amp share where poss.
Cheers
Dave
Dave Algeo wrote: I've only just noticed this thread!!
Mancland it is then. We will be there. We don't want paying (expenses or otherwise), throw anything that would have gone to us into the charity pot.
Steve, if anyone is using acoustic drums I can set up your mics for you.
Flight are easy to set up. We use 2 x guitars, 1 x keys and 1 x bass. Drums are from Laptop (which will need to be drirectly connected to house PA).
The stage at Jabez is small from memory (and about 2 inches off the floor) so all bands will need to talk to each other and amp share where poss.
Cheers
Dave
It APPEARS we will be blessed with electric drums all round. Even one accoustic kit is easy. My panic was needing to move mics mid gig, that never goes well :)
oh, and we'll bring your lapper down to the front of house on 2 DI boxes, mine too. (unless we can get a stage box with Jack inputs of course, a DI really isn't required for line level)
Don't jump the gun on acoustic kit safety Steve!
We have a full acoustic kit, which is accompanied by at least two Roland SPD-6 drum pads (may be three by then), and a selection of sequencers (inc click track feed for the likes of Temptation).
We've done kit shares with Re: Order before, who have a very similar set-up, and there would only be one kit making its way up from London. We'll have to sort this out between ourselves.
We've got two/three keyboards, two sequencers, PA we use as a monitor mix, full backline in terms of amps (though one keyboard could go through the in-house PA), half a dozen guitars across two amps, and separate bass rigs. Plus a rackmount full of all kinds of gubbins from digital tuners to 31 band GEQ, and three floorboards of pedals. No wonder it takes so long to set up!
Plus a shedload of DI boxes as well, and an autocue screen/laptop VGA from side of stage. We will have at least one crew member there, though she doesn't know it yet and will only be progressing the autocue!
Obviously happy to share on amps etc if space is at a premium.
oldmonkey wrote: Don't jump the gun on acoustic kit safety Steve!
We have a full acoustic kit, which is accompanied by at least two Roland SPD-6 drum pads (may be three by then), and a selection of sequencers (inc click track feed for the likes of Temptation).
We've done kit shares with Re: Order before, who have a very similar set-up, and there would only be one kit making its way up from London. We'll have to sort this out between ourselves.
We've got two/three keyboards, two sequencers, PA we use as a monitor mix, full backline in terms of amps (though one keyboard could go through the in-house PA), half a dozen guitars across two amps, and separate bass rigs. Plus a rackmount full of all kinds of gubbins from digital tuners to 31 band GEQ, and three floorboards of pedals. No wonder it takes so long to set up!
Ah wank I just typed up a huge ass answer and lost it lucky you lot.
quick version, cos I hate doing anything twice......
Montiors: your PA, is it a stereo sidefill feed, 2 wedge feeds, more or what...will we need any more monitors (they are my demon, if the band can't hear themselves, everything else is fucked from the outset :) )
Do you submix the keyboards/machines on stage, am I getting them on a stero DI, a mess of individual feeds, or am I picking them up out of your KB player's backline?
Accoustic kit is fine and dandy with me, the only thing I was fretting about was hot swapping kits mid gig, it's just ugly, especially when you have to use the same mics for each kit (charity gig after all).
All your rack gear, is that in use on stage, or is any of it coming out front?
And...any of you other bands got anything terrible you want to tell me, tell me now :)
At least you guys know your own shit, that makes my life a whole lot easier than trying to get a good sound together wih a bunch of grunting mules on stage :)
NObabe wrote: As much as it pains me to say it looks like it's gonna be only the NOOL day for me (NOT that I'm saying that sucks, mind!!) therefore I'll gladly help organize things if that's even possible from here, I know much about these things, should be a good practice for my Vrooom on tour in England thing next summer :)
just bring some of Serbia's finest green. that'll do.
john kershaw wrote:
NObabe wrote: As much as it pains me to say it looks like it's gonna be only the NOOL day for me (NOT that I'm saying that sucks, mind!!) therefore I'll gladly help organize things if that's even possible from here, I know much about these things, should be a good practice for my Vrooom on tour in England thing next summer :)
just bring some of Serbia's finest green. that'll do.
Haha, you spellt Siberia wrong! 
I wonder if the local greenery out there's any good. in fairness though, it's you bastards that live in Engerland that ought to finding the green stuff for us who have to get there through airports. And I don't do fookin brown! I suppose I could fill me PC up before I post it over If I'm actually playing NOOLday.
NObabe wrote:
john kershaw wrote:
NObabe wrote: As much as it pains me to say it looks like it's gonna be only the NOOL day for me (NOT that I'm saying that sucks, mind!!) therefore I'll gladly help organize things if that's even possible from here, I know much about these things, should be a good practice for my Vrooom on tour in England thing next summer :)
just bring some of Serbia's finest green. that'll do.
Haha, you spellt Siberia wrong!
well that answer MY question...Maya, honey....it's Barney Army who has the mental problem with Serbia and Siberia :)
NObabe wrote:
john kershaw wrote:
NObabe wrote: As much as it pains me to say it looks like it's gonna be only the NOOL day for me (NOT that I'm saying that sucks, mind!!) therefore I'll gladly help organize things if that's even possible from here, I know much about these things, should be a good practice for my Vrooom on tour in England thing next summer :)
just bring some of Serbia's finest green. that'll do.
Haha, you spellt Siberia wrong!
haha, your national costume hat is upside down
Steve Campbell wrote: quick version, cos I hate doing anything twice......
Montiors: your PA, is it a stereo sidefill feed, 2 wedge feeds, more or what...will we need any more monitors (they are my demon, if the band can't hear themselves, everything else is fucked from the outset :) )
Do you submix the keyboards/machines on stage, am I getting them on a stero DI, a mess of individual feeds, or am I picking them up out of your KB player's backline?
Accoustic kit is fine and dandy with me, the only thing I was fretting about was hot swapping kits mid gig, it's just ugly, especially when you have to use the same mics for each kit (charity gig after all).
All your rack gear, is that in use on stage, or is any of it coming out front?
And...any of you other bands got anything terrible you want to tell me, tell me now :)
At least you guys know your own shit, that makes my life a whole lot easier than trying to get a good sound together wih a bunch of grunting mules on stage :)
We'd need full monitor mix on stage, we use our PA as the back-up more often than not, and it carries the click track feed for Jon the drummer. When we bother to bring it that is.
Keys/machines are generally individual feeds with us, three of them, though this could be switched for stereo DI I suppose. Half the time we don't even mic up the amps in the shite venues we play!
Most of the rack gear I use is to shape the guitar sound on stage. The tuner stands alone though, ground loop central, those buggers!
May bring a huge stack to split the guitar rig between a clean NO sound and a flangetastic JD special, seeing as the Masquerader and Phantom only get used on JD stuff, and the 335 and SG only get used on the NO stuff. Two rigs, one as back-up if need be. If it fits in the van it can come.
Talking of which, anyone know any London van hire firms who fancy doing a top rate for two nights hire for a charity event? Two vans needed.
You want lots of monitors then, what joy :) any more than about 4 and really you might be better off with a chap to the side mixing it. Tho I'm up for giving it a shot from Front of House if it'll save costs, I can't promise to be the greatest monior engineer in the world when I'm trying to get the FoH right if it's like 6 feeds :)
I can handle the machinery whatever way you send it to me, I just needed to know. Between an annotated engineer's set list (bless your little cottons), and the fact that after 20 years I ought to have SOME idea what the material's meant to sound like, I think we'll do OK.
If you;ve got most of the fx covered on stage, Then down front, in an ideal world...a coupla multifx boxes (one for verb one for delay), about ( to be safe) 8 channels of gates, 6 of compression, a side of an EQ per monitor feed...I can see 32 channels of console being needed, and as much noise as it'll take to fill the room without raising more than an orange light. I'll look into eliminators instead of EQ's, because if the in-house decks are wonky or we have to set our own up, an eliminator will be essential for them (I've tried ringing decks out before and it basically stinks), and if we have to get one, well, we'll see.
of course, I'll do it with a smouldering old Carlsboro mixer amp and a guitar pedal for reverb if that's the way the costs pan out. I stand on no ceremony.
I take it you guys are coming up on the Sunday? I'm coming over Sat night or Sun morning, so a fookin huge feedup and a final going over for as many band membes and technical types as we can muster, in a nice eatery, on the Sunday evening would be a bloody good plan....that gives us Monday AM to freak out and sort out whatever we only worked out on Sunday night without causing undue disruption to gig or football :D (no one's talking about the football any more, Maybe the thought of all this quality entertainment is clouding their memories.)
john kershaw wrote:
NObabe wrote:
john kershaw wrote:
NObabe wrote: As much as it pains me to say it looks like it's gonna be only the NOOL day for me (NOT that I'm saying that sucks, mind!!) therefore I'll gladly help organize things if that's even possible from here, I know much about these things, should be a good practice for my Vrooom on tour in England thing next summer :)
just bring some of Serbia's finest green. that'll do.
Haha, you spellt Siberia wrong!
haha, your national costume hat is upside down
LOL! 
Steve Campbell wrote: well that answer MY question...Maya, honey....it's Barney Army who has the mental problem with Serbia and Siberia :)
I know but it was John who started it first. :)
i'm not wasting my time dashing to your rescue if you're just gonna leave yourself open to abuse maya :)
I didn't realise your banner thing changed slogans....my comment was in response to it saying....
"I'll do anything for NOOLday"
OK!!
I mean you can see what I was on about now :)
On topic bit :)
If any of the bands playing this happen to have a sstock rider lying around, mail me it, it'll make me feel I'm doing something useful just by looking it over.
What are Jack's bunch called BTW?
And some time, you might all want to post your setlists, at least cover wise (I'm sure you wont be bottled off for original songs, Flight and $JACKS_LOT), just so we don;t get like 4 versions of DNE or anything...yeah like that's bad.
So which of you lot have 6 string basses then btw?
EDIT: one more semi salient point, I have a fully operational Moog Rogue here, if anyone has a DR series beat box for EGG/Temptation:)
Steve Campbell wrote: I didn't realise your banner thing changed slogans....my comment was in response to it saying....
"I'll do anything for NOOLday"
OK!!
I mean you can see what I was on about now :)
Fuckwit once again :) It was meant to be 'Goddess created NOOL day' originally. Oh well.
Good question re. Jack's band name - Jack?
At this stage it is very difficult to say who will be playing what songs - naturally there is some overlap between the NO songs we play and the NO songs Re: Order play, but to be honest people aren't ever gonna tire of hearing Ceremony, Temptation, LWTUA etc. Unlikely that we will do Dreams Never End, we have done it before, but it isn't in the A set. Flight would have first dibs on this one anyway!
As for 6-string basses, yes, there will be some present. And 5-strings, Rickenbackers, maybe even 335 feedbackers!
Between us and Re: Order we've got all the authentic gear, though most of the guitar effects units we use are a bit more modern than Bernard's old Melos echo box.
Cool, as long as you know I wont do a stroke of useful work until I get to perv over the 6strings ;) I'll just stand there and rub my legs vic reeves fashion. I assume the keyboard rig is a little less authentic?
BTW, who plays the Rick's ( so I know who's pint not to spill)
:)
I didn;t actually realise how much effort you boys put into this mularky. I mean FFS we gigged original material and bluffed our way with whatever kit wasn't broken that day usually (I do paint us blacker than we deserve). I wasn;t kidding either about it being the way it had to be. Any other gigs I've worked on, planning and prep save the day....SNSS try it and it just enrages the Gods. Last radio gig we did, we had checklists and debug checklists and even did the old "take the stage rig apart, and set it up in another room without going back to the old one" thing to make sure we were on top of it. Between the 1st and 2nd songs the Akai developed persistance of memory and would only load at about 1/10 the speed it was meant to, and in the middle of dealing with that, Rich caught the atari's power cable and sent it flying. It's the only time as a player or an engineer or anything, that i had to throw in the towell and get the DJ to put a record on while we reset. Only took us 5 mins, but imagine it had been on a live stage with no convenient dj.
That's why i said about your KB rig not being so authentic, I doubt you can be arsed with NO's failure rates :)
Keyboards are far more reliable - Roland XP10, JV something or other and I think Re: Order have an XP80. Sequencers are varied and Roland/Yamaha in origin. Drum pads are all Roland SP6s.
There's laptop back-up as well if need be, it also powers the autocue (as is de rigeur these days!)
