NOOL Day - The Master Thread 28th October 2006 UPDATE 22/08/06

Saturday 28th October, venue to be announced shortly.

Bands playing (not necessarily in this order):

Re: Order Digital (all-JD set) Flight Jack's Band special guests....

Guest DJ: Hooky

Mixing desk: Steve Campbell

Other DJs: Monty ATR

Tickets: NOOL

can i just say on the first reply to this thread - thanks for all your efforts so far in this tim , your a star yea , i have had a few drinks

you got mail Tim.

Over to you now pal, give me a shout if you need anything doing 'locally'

Right, after some thinking and discussions with the other London-based band, it's gonna have to be held on the Saturday 15th April if it is in Manchester. It ain't feasible for the bands to be travelling back overnight after the gig if it is on the Monday - we all have work on Tuesday!

Sounds much better to me too! (by the way, my kids want to know if they are 'allowed' to come, or is it strictly adults only? - they are 12/15 respt).

Wino wrote: Sounds much better to me too! (by the way, my kids want to know if they are 'allowed' to come, or is it strictly adults only? - they are 12/15 respt).

Bless. My son, given the chance, would be there in a flash. he's only 5, but, that kid knows nearly every word to No/JD songs. It's amazing.

The first thing he asks me for hen we get to the car, is what NO/JD song he wants! Today, he fell asleep in the back of the car, Temptation was on, and he was singing the words in his sleep! Hoe cool is that????

Love the fact that when we go round Tesco's, he sings LWTUA, at the top of his voice, screaming, C'mon, just like hooky and barney do:) Do get loads of nasty looks though.

on this occasion, i think i'd like a break. When he's older, would be cool if he came, but by then, he'll be asahmed of his mum!

Bonzette wrote:

Wino wrote: Sounds much better to me too! (by the way, my kids want to know if they are 'allowed' to come, or is it strictly adults only? - they are 12/15 respt).

Bless. My son, given the chance, would be there in a flash. he's only 5, but, that kid knows nearly every word to No/JD songs. It's amazing.

The first thing he asks me for hen we get to the car, is what NO/JD song he wants! Today, he fell asleep in the back of the car, Temptation was on, and he was singing the words in his sleep! Hoe cool is that????

Love the fact that when we go round Tesco's, he sings LWTUA, at the top of his voice, screaming, C'mon, just like hooky and barney do:) Do get loads of nasty looks though.

on this occasion, i think i'd like a break. When he's older, would be cool if he came, but by then, he'll be asahmed of his mum!

You haven't been brainwashing him again, have you?

We need an "all NOOLers" welcome thing up on DR....Bonzette, I believe was under the impression it was invite only rather than NOOL-login only....if such a clever lady (still paying for the image tag thing Bonzababes) can think that...well...consider that like only 1% of the membership are even foum literate :)

Anyway, a full announcemt on the front page of the site would be bad before things are finalized....but a "your pissed up shitbag NOOLsiblings need YOU" would be good on DR.

Err can we not go nuts on THIS thread please (yes that DID stick right in my throat). we have to have ne that doesn't turn into sexual gantasies about bernard, my random techno wibblings or everyone pulling Maya's hair and running away.

:D

fookin ell, so Jabez is a dead duck now..they are booked the Easter Sunday.

Can I stick my neck out here and suggest we have it in London?

The 'ardcore are based in London, without them we couldnt do a NOOL day, it's the best city in the world, let's use it.

So we've gone from half way sorted to totally back to sq 1 then.

I can't afford London...20 times the airfair (actually MUCH more..and getting to that cunt of an international airport in the arse end of nowhere)...10 timse everything else.

but i don't care....wake me up and let me know when you're all done with the headless chicken thing.....and i will be there.

How typically NO this is turning out to be.

Which is why I'm getting MY whining in now :D

FOOK! I'm going to be talking Cock-er-ney if I make another trip down to London again! Never mind,WHATEVER as Sebastian would say.I'll play wherever,preferable if it's the Saturday.

Steve Campbell wrote: So we've gone from half way sorted to totally back to sq 1 then.

I can't afford London...20 times the airfair (actually MUCH more..and getting to that cunt of an international airport in the arse end of nowhere)...10 timse everything else.

but i don't care....wake me up and let me know when you're all done with the headless chicken thing.....and i will be there.

How typically NO this is turning out to be.

Which is why I'm getting MY whining in now :D

Have you been to sleep yet Steve?

Air fare from London to Northeren Ireland is VERY expensive. It's cheaper to go to Europe! I'm going to be in Northern Ireland-again in Januray, so i know how expensive it is!

I think keeping the event "in the middle" somewhere is a much better idea, seeing as i'm invited:D , sorry Steve for not being my usual intelligent self. It's not entirely clear though. When it is finalised, defo have a new post that details everything, and who is welcome.

Barney Army wrote: fookin ell, so Jabez is a dead duck now..they are booked the Easter Sunday.

Can I stick my neck out here and suggest we have it in London?

The 'ardcore are based in London, without them we couldnt do a NOOL day, it's the best city in the world, let's use it.

Sunday? It's the Saturday we need. If that ain't on then we need a rethink.

Steve Campbell wrote: So we've gone from half way sorted to totally back to sq 1 then.

I can't afford London...20 times the airfair (actually MUCH more..and getting to that cunt of an international airport in the arse end of nowhere)...10 timse everything else.

but i don't care....wake me up and let me know when you're all done with the headless chicken thing.....and i will be there.

How typically NO this is turning out to be.

Which is why I'm getting MY whining in now :D

Bollocks - this is just people jumping in at the deep end and making assumptions. If that's the way you want it then fair enough. I'm still working on the principle that it will be in Manchester, but on the Saturday rather than the Monday. You won't have either Re: Order or Digital playing if it is the Monday, and nobody from London will bother attending either.

But if it's headless chicken shit you want, I suggest that those who want to hijack this and go off on theor own tangents feel free to do so.

Don't mind me.

That's what i meant by "very NO" the ones who whine leaving it til last and then getting their way cos they whine loudest. there was a poll open for 10 days like.

That and the fact that i am CAPTAIN sleep deprivationa dna agony. ignore me completely.

London is hideously expensive in all respects. that should be reaon enough to exclude it for a bunch of cheapskates AND charity connections

But I will be there, unless I am strapped to a hospital bed or in a strait jecket, I will be there. It's about time we all hung out, and it's about time I used what I'm good at to help us all.

Again if anyone's gonna start listeningto me or taking me too seriously today...I'm gonna get punched...think of me as oscar the grouch and try not to dump rotting fish on my head.

Bonzette wrote:

Steve Campbell wrote: So we've gone from half way sorted to totally back to sq 1 then.

I can't afford London...20 times the airfair (actually MUCH more..and getting to that cunt of an international airport in the arse end of nowhere)...10 timse everything else.

but i don't care....wake me up and let me know when you're all done with the headless chicken thing.....and i will be there.

How typically NO this is turning out to be.

Which is why I'm getting MY whining in now :D

Have you been to sleep yet Steve?

Air fare from London to Northeren Ireland is VERY expensive. It's cheaper to go to Europe! I'm going to be in Northern Ireland-again in Januray, so i know how expensive it is!

I think keeping the event "in the middle" somewhere is a much better idea, seeing as i'm invited:D , sorry Steve for not being my usual intelligent self. It's not entirely clear though. When it is finalised, defo have a new post that details everything, and who is welcome.

Everyone from this site's welcome ( oh yeah, mee and sam beat that into ye already). Flight to manc if I don't mind going at$FUCKING_STUPID_TIME is 99PENCE!

BTW, if you aren't travelling with company (or with dull company)..I scrub up OK and only live down the road from Belfast if you wanna grab a pint or some nosebag while you're over. Promise not to put my hand up your Jumper :D

oops, didnt mean to start a load of confusion Tim.

Sat defo better, I thought you meant Easter Sunday which seemed odd.

Doubt we can use Jabez on that day though.

Do I detect that teddies may have been thrown into the corner and a case of its my fucking ball, buy yer own.........?

:bag:

Doggy wrote: Do I detect that teddies may have been thrown into the corner and a case of its my fucking ball, buy yer own.........?

:bag:

Not from where I'm sat they haven't. Not a very good detective, are you?

no he aint exactly fookin Sherlock is he? :D

Me....i'm gonna go hide and shut up until there's something needing talked about that's my place to talk about (this is a new tactic for me....but it's the only way to not fuck all this up :D )

I've now been told that my supposedly horrific drug therapy will begin at the end of Feb....so I have no dea what state I will be in, could be totally sweet, could look like a Dr Who monster (more than usual i mean). Even if it IS really horrible.....it may be that a day or two each side of NOOL day as a little pill holiday....would enable me to party and drink.

But I cannot see it preventing me from making it and being able to do the needful. And if that's gonna change I'll know by about the 2nd week of march, so not eactly last minute.

But I'm missing manc aid to make it to this, i WILL be there :D

ATTENSHUN!!!!

Hiya folks! Is Jabez Clegg set in stone at the moment? It seems to be up in the air whether they can book for Easter Saturday or not. Only reason I ask is that I know a club in Manchester off Deansgate,near Teasers,where I've DJed a birthday party recently. I've just been talking to the boss there about whether we could have reduced room hire for a charity gig on Easter saturday..... Upstairs we could have for FREE!! Upstairs floor holds about 270 people. He's provisionally booked it till I find out where we're up to.

Officer thinking...good backup plan (that may find itself as plan A soon enough....who knows) :D

AND you know the venue which is handy :)

It's called "14 LLOYD STREET". Lloyd Street being the road leading up from Deansgate up to Albert Square.It's facing the Rising Sun,and it's well smart inside! It's free,but I said hold it for us and I'll let him know in a couple of weeks if we don't need it.

with any luck u have mail....nthing remotely important...I only mention here cos NTL have been bouncing everything from my domain the bastards.

Good man! Can you go ahead and book it please, but get me the contact details of the gaffer etc. We'll need to know what they have in terms of stage, PA availability, various bar promotions etc.

Obviously we'd have to downsize the scale of everything from a 500 cap to a 270 cap, but that would give us a lot more chance of a full house! I'll have to speak to Re: Order to see if they are prepared to do a Saturday gig now. Can't speak for the rest of Digital, but I will be there, doing a solo set if required.

Makes a lot more sense to do the Saturday rather than the Monday - when I'm back home after the few days with the outlaws in rather restricted net access, I should be able to pick up the cudgels and get things moving again.

oldmonkey wrote: Good man! Can you go ahead and book it please, but get me the contact details of the gaffer etc. We'll need to know what they have in terms of stage, PA availability, various bar promotions etc.

Obviously we'd have to downsize the scale of everything from a 500 cap to a 270 cap, but that would give us a lot more chance of a full house! I'll have to speak to Re: Order to see if they are prepared to do a Saturday gig now. Can't speak for the rest of Digital, but I will be there, doing a solo set if required.

Makes a lot more sense to do the Saturday rather than the Monday - when I'm back home after the few days with the outlaws in rather restricted net access, I should be able to pick up the cudgels and get things moving again.

Sorry a bit late replying to you Tim.I've provisionally booked the room under my name John Montague,the boss there's called Steve.I'll get his number in a bit mate.

TIM, the number for "14 LLOYD STREET" is 0161 832 8285. STEVE the boss said he'd check his diary,but he's almost certain that date is ok for upstairs dancefloor.

Cheers - we're gonna need venue with stage and suitable for bands to play, preferably with a dressing room. Something that is just a dancefloor ain't gonna be any use to us, unfortunately.

oldmonkey wrote: Cheers - we're gonna need venue with stage and suitable for bands to play, preferably with a dressing room. Something that is just a dancefloor ain't gonna be any use to us, unfortunately.

Alright mate,you've got mail by the way.

A fookin huge (and UNSPRUNG) dancefloor might do at a puch. We can always grab staging from a theatre hire place or blag some.

You cheeky feckers......

:bag:

Any Mancs here know if THE ROADHOUSE is still open? Last I saw,it was...but someone says it shut not so long ago. It'd be a good place for gig,and it's stone-throwing distance from Piccadilly Gardens.

It's already booked up for April. We're gonna have to call in a few favours if we are gonna get a Manchester Saturday gig in April at this stage. I'll do some investigating.

oldmonkey wrote: It's already booked up for April. We're gonna have to call in a few favours if we are gonna get a Manchester Saturday gig in April at this stage. I'll do some investigating.

Good luck Sheerluck!

:bag:

Right. You may have thought things had gone a bit quiet on this, but I've been doing some spadework to try and get things established.

Basically we've got no chance of getting a suitably sized venue in Manchester free of charge for April 15th.

I therefore recommend that we think in terms of rescheduling this for maybe August or early September. Maybe August Bank Holiday weekend Saturday? That doesn't of course mean that nothing needs to be progressed now, far from it. As soon as I've recorded this Community track I'll get back onto the case.

Sounds perfectly alright to me.

Summer holidays in Manchester, just what I always wanted

Erm... with regards to August Bank Holiday.

What if NO play the Carling weekend that weekend?

Uncle Liam wrote: Erm... with regards to August Bank Holiday.

What if NO play the Carling weekend that weekend?

Exactly. What can you do? I've asked the band's management if there are any plans to play Reading/Leeds, not wanting to know if that is a definitive yes, just whether there are plans to be gigging at that time of year. Nowt back, of course. Liam - get yer mate Alex to ask Andy, will you?

Notwithstanding recent toy-from-pram ejections, y'all can still count me in (as both attendee and slave labour). FWIW, I kinda figured you were just busy with C2 and your MEN festivities anyway.

I LIKE the idea of august, I'll DEFO be sorted by then (or well and truly boned :D ). Respect.

Bad NEWS is that i can MAKE this NOW.Let's get ready to RCOCKET!Well done lads.

We're still in. Just tell us where and when and what gear you want me to bring

Yeah I'm still up for August,wherever it finishes up at.

Tim,will any of the Student places like UMIST or Salford's Maxwell Hall put us up?

monty wrote: Yeah I'm still up for August,wherever it finishes up at.

Tim,will any of the Student places like UMIST or Salford's Maxwell Hall put us up?

That's a VERY good idea - UMIST has a great venue and would probably be up for hiring it to non-students out of term time.

BIGINOIL wrote:

monty wrote: Yeah I'm still up for August,wherever it finishes up at.

Tim,will any of the Student places like UMIST or Salford's Maxwell Hall put us up?

That's a VERY good idea - UMIST has a great venue and would probably be up for hiring it to non-students out of term time.

Is that the funny little place underground at UMIST? Saw Mazzy Star there many moons ago....

(The Good Doctor) Martin Fradley wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote:

monty wrote: Yeah I'm still up for August,wherever it finishes up at.

Tim,will any of the Student places like UMIST or Salford's Maxwell Hall put us up?

That's a VERY good idea - UMIST has a great venue and would probably be up for hiring it to non-students out of term time.

Is that the funny little place underground at UMIST? Saw Mazzy Star there many moons ago....

Yeah that one on the UMIST grounds across from Retro Bar,they've got a class pub upstairs,and a quite spacious area downstairs with a stage. I've done a few sponsored "BOGLE STROLL" walks for UMIST,and we always register down there. MAXWELL HALL,don't hear much these days,but it's seen the likes of Siouxsie and Bauhaus in days gone by.

Sounds Ideal. Saw a gig there in '85ish. Marc Reilly & the Creepers, Age of Chance & the June Brides. Well, it was good at the time.

Christ! AGE OF CHANCE! Saw them at the Hacienda with me cycling top on!!

I was at UMIST when they closed Shiranskys and spent a FORTUNE on the Underground. It's not small and the sound system was ACE when they opened up. I used to put on dance nights there - a really good venue.

August or Sept? That means I MIGHT be able to go :D :D :D

CuanaD wrote: August or Sept? That means I MIGHT be able to go :D :D :D

Thank fuck for that.... thought it was gonna be me and Maya vs hordes of Englanders :D

(no offence to Scots order of course....do we HAVE any welsh?)

I'm in England August/September (not sure when exactly) so that would give me a chance of going.

Dear Mr. Monkey...

In the intro post to this thread could you please write:

DATE: (and the options being considered).

LOCATION: (and the options being considered).

OTHER: ('owt else being considered).

That'll save us all trawling through all the posted threads to find out wot's wot.

Many thanks!

Our Bank Holiday is the last Monday in August, we don't get one in September. Mind you, they are always Mondays, and people have to work on the Tuesday, so we are far better looking at a Saturday for this. Heard anything from Rebecca yet? She didn't reply to my mail about this event.

Sorry to say, that for personal reasons it looks like I wont be attending NOOLday. Sorry guys, but I'm sure decent engineers grow on trees in a big city like manc. Have a good one.

Aww Gutted From Manchester.Would have been good to meet you,mate. Any offers on a spark? Sorry Stevo that you're not even cold in the ground,but..Tim any updates.Anything I can do.I'll be pissed if it don't come off.

Still waiting to hear back from New Order's management.

Just an idea lads.... have you lot tried Late rooms underneath life cafe opposite teasers?? Good venue, stage and p.a! I've been to a couple of do's there, one was a love music hate racism event and they seem pretty cool wi stuff like that! prob just depends on bookings?? don't have a contact number tho....

I'm confused. What bands are playing?

Slippy wrote: I'm confused. What bands are playing?

The Thick Twats Read The Thread and Flight

oldmonkey wrote:

Slippy wrote: I'm confused. What bands are playing?

The Thick Twats Read The Thread and Flight

All quiet on the Western Front! Probably with this Community thing going on.Anything new on the scene?

CuanaD wrote: August or Sept? That means I MIGHT be able to go :D :D :D

Yes - August or September would be perfect!

Spotnick wrote: To be honest, my wife wants to visit Ireland, so we *might* be around at the end of August/Beginning of September.

Don't you guys have a bank holiday on the first monday of September? Meaning Sunday Sept 3rd would be a perfect date for this.

No, it wouldn't - not with NO playing here on the 2nd.

So, Nick, come on over here to Ireland at that time & get 'someone from NO management' to sort you out with backstage passes or whatever. I guarantee the Irish Order will give you a decent wellcome:D

Con, bub number 4 going well? Must be a few months old now, right?

Love to help out.Where are you thinking of holding it?

Excellent! Be great to meet you all.

Spotnick wrote:

Shug wrote: A gig with Re.Order, Digital and others would be fookin fantastic seeing as we always seem to miss them. There would be no excuse then!

Homage2?

Throw away a DJ set by Hooky and it would be a blast, isn't it? ;)

That could be arranged ;)

Can you afford to buy his services for the night and not spoil the general idea of this event, which would be a non-profit making event that was giving all proceeds to charity?

oldmonkey wrote:

Spotnick wrote:

Shug wrote: A gig with Re.Order, Digital and others would be fookin fantastic seeing as we always seem to miss them. There would be no excuse then!

Homage2?

Throw away a DJ set by Hooky and it would be a blast, isn't it? ;)

That could be arranged ;)

Can you afford to buy his services for the night and not spoil the general idea of this event, which would be a non-profit making event that was giving all proceeds to charity?

personally, I don't think there's much value in paying for hooky's musical services but there does need to be an added brucie bonus. my sense of the event from its initial gestation was that it would be a greater social get together than usual with a neworder/jd/factory/manc/etc soundtrack and (most importantly) some 5-a-side footy! however, only the latter really differentiates it from either of the two events surrounding it.

I don't want to be seen as conflationary as I haven't followed all the progress of the development of the event but I got the sense that the non-profit making and charitable aspect of the process was put forward as a cost effective way of getting gear, venue etc - rather than the 'general idea'. Though I might just be mis-reading your post.

I am probably being quite cynical but I don't think that with the sandwich of two real new order gigs and the accompanying social chaos, that an extended day of tribute music and the charitable angle are the best USPs for the event. that's not to say we can't use those motives and elements in our considerations but there should also be something we can offer up that would make it a singular moment of NOOL...?

hmmm perhaps hooky doesn't sound that bad - is he any good in goal?

Sounds great... Hoping to go to London and Wolves, so would be perfect... And looking forward :) (in some cases, dreading... ) meeting folks... See you there

SHEDi xxx

I can't see all that much benefit to anyone but Spotnick in holding NOOL Day inbetween two NO gigs - we'll all be fooked after Wembley anyway!

The key considerations with this day, whenever it happens, are the costs. We need a guarantee of bums on seats to get any decent venue, and you know what people are like for saying they will do something and then not bothering. We don't have the luxury of promoters' cash backing us, so we either have to stump up some readies up front or play the charity card.

We'll need something more than a fake Bernard and pals and Jim Reilly Jim Reilly to sell this, in all probability, but whether Hooky would be either prepared to DJ for a lot less than he usually commands, or even with a bunch of tribute bands, will have to be seen. I do have a couple of possibilities, but will keep powder dry until we know how the land lies with venues and timings etc.

The good thing is, if it is in between the Wembley/Wolves dates, most people will try to go. I'll be in London anyway, so it would be pointless for me to come down for one night.

I'm planning Wembley, NOOL Day, Wolves. PROPER bender

OK, if you can get Hooky free/cheap for the 28th October in London, we'll do it. Provided of course that he will be in the same venue as a bunch of Hooky imitators!

We'd have to charge an entry fee in any case, as even the little things cost, but the bands won't be getting anything but expenses for performing. The plan was obviously to do our bit for Manchester vs Cancer (and indeed other charities too), you'd hope that this would act as an incentive for people to want to get involved.

Over to you Spotnick, see if you can get some leverage on Hooky!

I for one would be glad to pay towards this do. Only right, with all the time and money spent by others in making this stuff happen.

Spotnick wrote:

oldmonkey wrote: OK, if you can get Hooky free/cheap for the 28th October in London, we'll do it. Provided of course that he will be in the same venue as a bunch of Hooky imitators!

We'd have to charge an entry fee in any case, as even the little things cost, but the bands won't be getting anything but expenses for performing. The plan was obviously to do our bit for Manchester vs Cancer (and indeed other charities too), you'd hope that this would act as an incentive for people to want to get involved.

Over to you Spotnick, see if you can get some leverage on Hooky!

I'll see what I can do.

Obviously it's a long shot, but worth a try. Plus, pre-selling tickets for such an event would be doable via NewOrderOnline of course, but I'll leave that to you, since I'm not a project manager and I'm used to have all kind of crazy ideas and must be brought to world where money doesn't grow on trees ;)

Speaking as someone who has booked Hooky in the past (and a bunch of UK and international DJs over the last ten years) his fee was in fact the lowest I've ever paid for anyone. By a mile. I don't know where everyone seems to be getting this information about him being so expensive. And I was quoted the same deal earlier this year.

What you've gotta remember is that DJ's/artists have one "agent" but often they have multiple "diary holders". In other words there's likely to be a good few agencies/diary holders claiming to represent an artist but in fact they only act as middlemen between the promoter and the agent. They make there money by fleecing the promoter for as much as they think they can get away with. Your always best trying to get straight to the agent.

That aside I don't think booking him for this event would be a good idea. Something doesn't sit quite right about him doin what is essentially a fan club gig.

GlasVegas wrote:

That aside I don't think booking him for this event would be a good idea. Something doesn't sit quite right about him doin what is essentially a fan club gig.

Absolutely right sir. I would feel even more of a cunt than I usually do up on stage doing Curtis impressions if Hooky was there, and I hate to think what Will's Shakin' Stevens send-up would be like!

oldmonkey wrote: I would feel even more of a cunt than I usually do up on stage if Hooky was there, and I hate to think what Will's Shakin' Stevens send-up would be like!

I've seen that live sex show of yours and I think Hooky should be spared. Except if you bring the ping-pong balls again.

Unless you're intending to come along to the Shakin Stevens Online Day that I'm organising, you won't get the opportunity to see that 'send-up'...

So, Will. Venue suggestions?

oldmonkey wrote: So, Will. Venue suggestions?

This Ole House?

(it's the way we tell 'em)

The Green Door?

Fookinell!

When is it??

Can my band play??

Have a ball bumbags. I'll see you all at one of the gigs i'm sure but wont be the same.

Steve Campbell wrote: Have a ball bumbags. I'll see you all at one of the gigs i'm sure but wont be the same.

Mr Campbell, you are expected to attend! You WILL attend.

When is it?

Can my band play??

Saturday 28th October, somewhere in London.

Bands playing (not necessarily in this order):

Re: Order Digital (possibly doing an all-JD set?) Flight Jack's Band any others who ask!

Guest DJ: Hooky

Other DJs: Monty? Steve Campbell? DoN?

Artwork: Re: Order

Catering: Wino

Tickets: NOOL

Anyone thinking of taking part who lives outside of the UK, we may be able to accommodate you at chez oldmonkey. Why not take in a New Order gig or two as well?

Warning, we dance over here!

oldmonkey wrote:

Warning, we dance over here!

Like bastards!!

Erm... Call me cynical, but does anybody know if Jacks Band are... well... any good? Or what they sound like?

Uncle Liam wrote: Erm... Call me cynical, but does anybody know if Jacks Band are... well... any good? Or what they sound like?

Since when has sounding any good been a criterion for approval round here?

I think we should hear them anyway. All live music sounds good to me.

oldmonkey wrote:

Uncle Liam wrote: Erm... Call me cynical, but does anybody know if Jacks Band are... well... any good? Or what they sound like?

Since when has sounding any good been a criterion for approval round here?

But does anybody actually know what they sound like? For all we know, we could be getting a Pearl Jam tribute act. Or some industrial Death Metal!

We're not a pearl jam tribute band

We're not death metal

I dunno what we are. I guess I'll find out over summer when we are gonna be playing loads.

Uncle Liam wrote: Erm... Call me cynical, but does anybody know if Jacks Band are... well... any good? Or what they sound like?

Jeeeeez we'll just play New Order and Joy Division songs then

No Joy Division!

State of Love and Trust wrote: We're not a pearl jam tribute band

We're not death metal

I dunno what we are. I guess I'll find out over summer when we are gonna be playing loads.

Do you do your own material then Jack and maybe a few covers?

oldmonkey wrote: Other DJs: Monty? Steve Campbell? DoN?

I'd rather eat curried steel shavings than DJ thanks.

But if you still need a hand with knob twiddling and the like, and nobody has any huge objections, count me in.

Steve Campbell wrote:

oldmonkey wrote: Other DJs: Monty? Steve Campbell? DoN?

I'd rather eat curried steel shavings than DJ thanks.

But if you still need a hand with knob twiddling and the like, and nobody has any huge objections, count me in.

Knob work it is for you then!

[magenta]Jem[/magenta] wrote:

State of Love and Trust wrote: We're not a pearl jam tribute band

We're not death metal

I dunno what we are. I guess I'll find out over summer when we are gonna be playing loads.

Do you do your own material then Jack and maybe a few covers?

Yeah that's probably what would happen

oldmonkey wrote:

Steve Campbell wrote:

oldmonkey wrote: Other DJs: Monty? Steve Campbell? DoN?

I'd rather eat curried steel shavings than DJ thanks.

But if you still need a hand with knob twiddling and the like, and nobody has any huge objections, count me in.

Knob work it is for you then!

Why break with tradition eh?

State of Love and Trust wrote:

[magenta]Jem[/magenta] wrote:

State of Love and Trust wrote: We're not a pearl jam tribute band

We're not death metal

I dunno what we are. I guess I'll find out over summer when we are gonna be playing loads.

Do you do your own material then Jack and maybe a few covers?

Yeah that's probably what would happen

Well i'd love to hear you. Get some practice in kid!

Jack's an ickle bassmonster waiting to happen, I've heard what the lad considers killer riffs, and the wee shite can play most of them......so really the question is...can twatto and firearm play?

[magenta]Jem[/magenta] wrote:

State of Love and Trust wrote:

[magenta]Jem[/magenta] wrote:

State of Love and Trust wrote: We're not a pearl jam tribute band

We're not death metal

I dunno what we are. I guess I'll find out over summer when we are gonna be playing loads.

Do you do your own material then Jack and maybe a few covers?

Yeah that's probably what would happen

Well i'd love to hear you. Get some practice in kid!

Yeah I'm not really bothered what Liam wants to hear. If he don't like it he can go outside or stick Morrissey on with some headphones.

If we end up playing we'll play what we want to!!

Steve Campbell wrote:

oldmonkey wrote: Other DJs: Monty? Steve Campbell? DoN?

I'd rather eat curried steel shavings than DJ thanks.

But if you still need a hand with knob twiddling and the like, and nobody has any huge objections, count me in.

Knob twiddling? Huge objections? This sounds too good to miss already! Looking forward to it Jack - if you want any lyrics...

SHEDi xxx

Spotnick wrote: I can always send a few emails to the bands that participated in Community, but how many bands is too much :p

That's one for Tim, but I will say this, each band you add not only adds set time to the night, it adds setup time to the day, not mention the increased chance of one or more members of the un-hired help suffering breakdowns.

Spotnick wrote: I can always send a few emails to the bands that participated in Community, but how many bands is too much :p

Now, I better be there :p still have some wife convincing to do...

What's this, light the blue touchpaper and retire? As if most of them would even read the e-mail now they have their record deal

It would be great to have Glasnost there as well, but Alejo would have to find a way of financing his flights, the money this thing makes is going to charity.

Realistically, no fooker will turn up if you have a whole bunch of bands who mean fook all to most of the people there. Law of geography dictates that most of the people there will be British, and many of them will either know the UK contingent from NO, Re: Order or Digital gigs. It simply won't sell if you have the like of Tomakazi or whatever their name is, sending everyone to sleep with the new Slowdive. Each band we add to the roster shortens the set for everyone, and creates more work for the resident knob twiddler and the humper crew.

Re: Order will undoubtedly be the biggest draw there, they have been playing gigs up and down the country to good crowds for some time now, everyone knows them and knows you have a good time at their gigs. Digital can be relied on to play you a load of JD stuff accurately and throw in a bunch of NO stuff as well (and we even play everything live!), and we all know that Flight are a well-known and very highly regarded band who will provide some original material. Jack's band will offer the youth policy a chance to shine, and I am looking forward to seeing them (not least to see Jack's bass rig!)

Where this will differ from the likes of Community is that it won't be a bunch of guys with bedroom computers pressing buttons and producing nice poppy twiddly sounds, it will be real live bands playing real live (and mimed ) music, which doesn't lend itself to having loads of bands each doing one song or whatever.

For example, if we assume that Hooky's DJ set starts at 11pm-1am, Re: Order (or whichever band gets the last slot) would be coming on at 9.30ish for about 80 mins, whoever precedes them would be on at 8.15 for an hour, whoever precedes them would be on at 7.30 for 45 mins, and the band before them at 6.45 for half an hour. It's already become an early start with just four bands playing average length sets!

Plus if my band does end up playing I could always ask my dad to replace me on a new order track

Or we just get everyone on stage at the end of the last set and invite Hooky to lead us off in a bass frenzy!

RE- ORDAH!

oldmonkey wrote: Or we just get everyone on stage at the end of the last set and invite Hooky to lead us off in a bass frenzy!

Louie Louie, anyone?

SHEDi xxx

More likely to be Age of Consent with this lot, I'd have thought!

LOL....the massed basses of NOOL....that would sound errrrm interesting. LOL

Those changeover times are without having to re-mic a kit BTW

There are ways to do faster turnarounds on multiband gigs, but the cost $$$$$

Steve Campbell wrote: LOL....the massed basses of NOOL....that would sound errrrm interesting. LOL

Those changeover times are without having to re-mic a kit BTW

There are ways to do faster turnarounds on multiband gigs, but the cost $$$$$

Aha! Flight don't use a drum kit, and us and Re: Order tend to share drum kit and some backline when we play together (or at least have done on three occasions in the past). Presumably Twatto drums?

This is going to be fucking brilliant

I have got to get to this one (now how do break the news to herself)

Errrmmm errrm let me think!

TOO RIGHT I'LL DO IT!!!

A whole day of NO starring Hooky ONE and Hooky TWO!

State of Love and Trust wrote:

Uncle Liam wrote: Erm... Call me cynical, but does anybody know if Jacks Band are... well... any good? Or what they sound like?

Jeeeeez we'll just play New Order and Joy Division songs then

Play what you want Jack.I think everyone is just curious how you sound,whether you're a chip off the old block,or you're another kettle of fish altogether. A pitch invasion by yer Dad would be most welcome though!

My flights are.....Free no really, I just pay all the stealth charges. What a fucked up pricing model that is eh?

Let's not bugger this up folks...I'm really looking forward to it ;)

Feel a strong urge to start asking hard questions, but there's plenty of time for that right? :D to relieve the pressure I have to let this out though, fart-style.

If we could settle for a single electric drumkit, we'd save buckets in cash and complication. One electric and one accoustic would be OK, 13 bands with accoustic kits 18 percussion players and a brass section each would be decidedly non-optimal ;)

My band might be up for playing, don't know how to describe out sound - I'm on bass [distorted/tuned to dgcf/hooked up to an effects pedal] and vocals [for the cover songs - LWTUA by JD and All The Day by the Kinks] and my friend on drums. We don't have a drumkit though, so that's the only setback, can do a 20-30 minute set if you want.

BTW...i woulld Like to assure the bands (particularly in light of re:order's traumatic experience), that while I can do nothing to prevent the likes of Liam, Col and Nick, seizing the mic...i have a fucking foolproof plan to get rid of them for you sharpish

Steve Campbell wrote: BTW...i woulld Like to assure the bands (particularly in light of re:order's traumatic experience), that while I can do nothing to prevent the likes of Liam, Col and Nick, seizing the mic...i have a fucking foolproof plan to get rid of them for you sharpish

ive always invaded stages whenever possible at any gigs,and for one,will order likes it and i NEVER go near the mic or get in the way of the playing.and your ken bates style electric fence wont stop me for a start steve

WOT?? You mean I can't even sing LOUIE LOUIE?

bansheeman wrote:

Steve Campbell wrote: BTW...i woulld Like to assure the bands (particularly in light of re:order's traumatic experience), that while I can do nothing to prevent the likes of Liam, Col and Nick, seizing the mic...i have a fucking foolproof plan to get rid of them for you sharpish

ive always invaded stages whenever possible at any gigs,and for one,will order likes it and i NEVER go near the mic or get in the way of the playing.and your ken bates style electric fence wont stop me for a start steve

No, but a fookin' headstock in the mush will! No cunt gets on my stage unless I invite them!

I'm excited about NOOL day.

I do, however, have several fears and questions :(

Let's have 'em then Jack!

oldmonkey wrote: Let's have 'em then Jack!

Is everyone gonna mob round my dad all night, cos I don't think that will be cool

Is there a venue yet??

If not, when will this be decided??

Will my band have to bring our drums, or will someone let us borrow theirs??

How long would my band be playing for if we went on first?

Will MICK be there?

How long would my band be playing for if we went on first?

Dunno bout how long, thats OM's turf...but if u go on first, we soundcheck you last.....works a treat that way, you walk on to the same mixer settings you walked off from....less work for crew, probably a better sounding opening song or two, and ReOrder and Digital have to show up earlier than you

State of Love and Trust wrote:

Is everyone gonna mob round my dad all night, cos I don't think that will be cool

Not at all - we do have some respect you know! Hooky will have his own dressing room and space. The bands are all professional in approach to the music, and there will be a backstage area where only those actually involved in playing and organising will be allowed. Plus, we will be inviting Sarge!

State of Love and Trust wrote:

Is there a venue yet?? If not, when will this be decided??

Not yet, but this will be announced shortly

State of Love and Trust wrote:

Will my band have to bring our drums, or will someone let us borrow theirs??

You'd be able to use the same kit as everyone else, including backline I would think.

State of Love and Trust wrote:

How long would my band be playing for if we went on first?

Depends on how many bands agree to participate, but I would expect about half an hour, maybe 40 mins. Most JD gigs were that length!

State of Love and Trust wrote:

Will MICK be there?

Probably, if he's not in JAIL!

Al Jarvis wrote:

oldmonkey wrote: Not at all - we do have some respect you know! Hooky will have his own dressing room and space. The bands are all professional in approach to the music, and there will be a backstage area where only those actually involved in playing and organising will be allowed. Plus, we will be inviting Sarge!

Exclusive backstage areas?!

All starting to look rather elitist.

Heaven forbid that any of the artistes involved would denigrate themselves to mix with the hoi polloi.

You misinterpret me a bit Al - the backstage will be no different to places like the Underworld or similar, just a dressing room for the bands. We even had one at the Roadhouse, and I suppose you could call the cupboard at the side of the Hope and Anchor stage a backstage area! I wasn't for one second meaning some kind of elite area. All gigs have somewhere the bands go to after they have finished playing, even it's just for 30 seconds! You rarely see any band, including Re: Order, finishing their set and walking offstage into the crowd!

I'd hope that rather less than half the attendees would be in the bands! If we've only got 28 people in then we might as well forget it! Safe to say that those who are in bands playing at this will not be staying backstage all night, everyone else will be front stage so why would they want to? I don't think anyone will be desperate to hang round Hooky, well maybe Jimbo will, but we'll all be looking to have a good time the same as everyone else there, surely?

It had certainly never occurred to me that there might be some perception of an elite area or an exclusion zone, that's not what we want at all. I don't think being in a tribute band entitles anyone to an elite area!

Having said that, I'm putting razor wire, watch towers and machine gun nests round the mixer. Beer+mixer=no money for charity.

Tim, it's slowly crystalizing in my mind that there is a time to listen to Al, as he often speaks a great deal of sense....and there is a time to realise that he is bored and no-one offline is available to have their chain yanked :D

Besides if Al wants to go and sit in a broom cupboard that stinks of piss with you guys and R:o fair play to him

Well, I for one am really looking forward to NOOL day

Should be a good day, if only for the look on Liam's face if my band plays a song by...........

State of Love and Trust wrote:

Should be a good day, if only for the look on Liam's face if my band plays a song by...........

Wait for the look your face as he stumbles backstage looking for the rider!

James Thomas wrote:

State of Love and Trust wrote:

Should be a good day, if only for the look on Liam's face if my band plays a song by...........

Wait for the look your face as he stumbles backstage looking for the rider!

Then the look on his face when I get Sarge

Charidee gig man...Latvian Lager and Venezuelan vodka all round :D

I must admit I'm really excited about this, now as long as I can go the next 5 months without adding to the list of folks who (quite deservedly for the geater part) owe me a smack in the teeth Not like i'll be hard to find...follow the wires

I'm almost certainly gonna be off the sauce tho so I should be able to dodge all but the most determined :D

Steve,I'll even get to speak to you this time,mate!

James Thomas wrote:

State of Love and Trust wrote:

Should be a good day, if only for the look on Liam's face if my band plays a song by...........

Wait for the look your face as he stumbles backstage looking for the rider!

I probably wont be in attendance.

Uncle Liam wrote:

James Thomas wrote:

State of Love and Trust wrote:

Should be a good day, if only for the look on Liam's face if my band plays a song by...........

Wait for the look your face as he stumbles backstage looking for the rider!

I probably wont be in attendance.

Miserable get!

Well, its mainly financial considerations.

I'm probably going to have another Morrissey tour to do, at £30 a time, at least. The Cure may be playing again, I expect the Pet Shop Boys to tour and all kinds of random and stupid things that Alex will persuade me to do.

Plus, I am hoping to get abroad at some point this year. And theres always next years festivals as well...

Then again, see how I feel on the day. Everyone needs to see Digital at least once in there lives, and Re: Order is always fun. But wont stay to see the old man spin records.

State of Love and Trust wrote: We're not a pearl jam tribute band

We're not death metal

I dunno what we are. I guess I'll find out over summer when we are gonna be playing loads.

nah...sack it!

Al Jarvis wrote:

Uncle Liam wrote: Well, its mainly financial considerations.

Is this not the same Liam who berated a certain 16 year old for NOT being able to find 600 notes for P**** J** at the drop of a hat?!

If I *really* wanted to go to NOOL day, so much so that i spent every waking hour on this board moaning how I couldnt get tickets, I would find a way to go, whether it cost me £6 or £6000. However, to me, its totally dispensable, and there are things coming up which I woudl rather do.

Uncle Liam wrote: Well, its mainly financial considerations.

keep me in beer in Liverpool, and I'm sure there may be a guestlist slot available for NOOL Day !

Actually we probably will need a couple of roadies for the event, so anyone interested (who has some knowledge of what they are doing) let me know!

It's the plugging everything in bit that we need!

I expect I could roadie for a beer or two.

My how the tables have turned

oldmonkey wrote: It's the plugging everything in bit that we need!

That's what the artistes are for ;)

Seriously tho, if the bands do their own backline, there's not a terrible amount of pluggin left to do.

OK that's a bare faced lie, but a coupla well informed folks can do the main PA wiring in under an hour.

I am going to need grapes in my dressing room and plenty of Evian. Jarvo, whilst you're at it, get us 20 B and H would you? Theres a good lad. Oh, and keep the change mate.

:bag:

Spotnick wrote: Call me crazy, but am I the only one who thought this thing might be getting better each minute? Check that out:

Cool! I spoke to Hooky today about djing and about a Monaco reunion for the next cancer benefit gig which we both really wanna do! So may see you at the launch. Cheers, Pottsy.

Er... did I get it wrong or did we just get a nice little addition to the list of bands playing? or is he talking about ANOTHER cancer benefit gig?

BTW, this was posted on my myspace page.

Excellent!! Nic,I'll ask him,he comes in our office occasionally.

Spotnick wrote: Call me crazy, but am I the only one who thought this thing might be getting better each minute? Check that out:

Cool! I spoke to Hooky today about djing and about a Monaco reunion for the next cancer benefit gig which we both really wanna do! So may see you at the launch. Cheers, Pottsy.

Er... did I get it wrong or did we just get a nice little addition to the list of bands playing? or is he talking about ANOTHER cancer benefit gig?

BTW, this was posted on my myspace page.

This keeps getting better and better!

SHEDi xxx

Spotnick wrote: Call me crazy, but am I the only one who thought this thing might be getting better each minute? Check that out:

Cool! I spoke to Hooky today about djing and about a Monaco reunion for the next cancer benefit gig which we both really wanna do! So may see you at the launch. Cheers, Pottsy.

Er... did I get it wrong or did we just get a nice little addition to the list of bands playing? or is he talking about ANOTHER cancer benefit gig?

BTW, this was posted on my myspace page.

Spoke to POTTSY today!! Got talking about RAM and that RAM are no more now,he records under his own name now. So I had to pop the question. Said I believe MONACO are reforming."Bloody hell,where did you here that?" Ah,I said,walls have ears.Are you doing NOOL Day? "No but were getting together for the next Manchester vs Cancer gig!!!"

Spotnick wrote: Yeah, Jack told me it was probably another Manchester v Cancer gig.

That's why I wasn't too sure.

Still mint tho

have we got a venue yet??

Even Flow wrote: have we got a venue yet??

Should have the venue sorted by the weekend, I will of course put details up here when I do. It'll be in London, and is well-known! (and no it isn't a big tent anymore)

El Jarvo wrote: Without wishing to put the proverbial cat amongst t'pigeons, we get an absolute max of 20 people from here turn out for Re-order gigs, roughly the same 20 would show for Digital and again, as has been proved time and time again in London, the same 20 again for Hooky dj sets.

In all seriousness, how many are we expecting for NewOrderOnline day?!

And why are any additional people suddenly coming out because it's a "day out associated with a website" when they never ever make an effort if it's just (a) Re-order, (b) Digital or (c) Hooky?

There will obviously be an additional groundswell of the Northern Order attending Wemberlee then perhaps stopping darn sarf before heading off to Wolves, but that's not gonna number more than another 20 again, surely? Barney Army, Liam, ATR, the Thomases, etc.

So, are we confident of getting the numbers in?

surely this is the paradox of 'NOOL day' - the monicker implies exclusivity but economics (and maths!) would necessitate a wider market. but then, who is the day for? I would have thought the best that could be expected would be something like the pre-match turnouts at brixton and peel day... perhaps double that, as everyone has a mate or partner who they might want to come. and then a low - medium sized venue doesn't seem so sparsely occupied. venues of the size and suitability of dublin castle, clockwork, dingwalls, bloomsbury bowl ...etc would seem to me to be of the appropriate scale.

and Al, I agree with your assumption that the entertainment on board won't generate 3 sets of turnout merely the same potential turnout with 3 times as much to entertain them. it's hard to know whether it's the collective interest of the board that has brought the event to this point and 6 pages of discussion or merely the enthusiasm of a handful of altruistically intended individuals - however, any roll call is going to be misleading and probably bury the idea. I believe that if it's going to happen then, once it's scheduled as part of that weekend's social action, it develops some of its own momentum but the risk involved means that the ambitions of the size of the event be tempered slightly.

I would also suggest that this is really 'NOOL night' as nobody is going to want to spend too much of the day in a venue. and the NOOLday aspect applies to the 5-a-side football that should be resurrected. or just a mass kickabout in hydepark!

football on nool day would be cool

Even Flow wrote: football on nool day would be cool

That was part of the original plan

If I am able to go, I'll bring the cards&whistle & ref it But, Grahme Poll I am not - thankfully :barf:

Al: there's probably quite a few of us 'abroad' considering doing this & the Wembley date - I won't know if I can do it 'till September, but I'm hopefull

Facsimile wrote:

El Jarvo wrote: Without wishing to put the proverbial cat amongst t'pigeons, we get an absolute max of 20 people from here turn out for Re-order gigs, roughly the same 20 would show for Digital and again, as has been proved time and time again in London, the same 20 again for Hooky dj sets.

In all seriousness, how many are we expecting for NewOrderOnline day?!

And why are any additional people suddenly coming out because it's a "day out associated with a website" when they never ever make an effort if it's just (a) Re-order, (b) Digital or (c) Hooky?

There will obviously be an additional groundswell of the Northern Order attending Wemberlee then perhaps stopping darn sarf before heading off to Wolves, but that's not gonna number more than another 20 again, surely? Barney Army, Liam, ATR, the Thomases, etc.

So, are we confident of getting the numbers in?

surely this is the paradox of 'NOOL day' - the monicker implies exclusivity but economics (and maths!) would necessitate a wider market. but then, who is the day for? I would have thought the best that could be expected would be something like the pre-match turnouts at brixton and peel day... perhaps double that, as everyone has a mate or partner who they might want to come. and then a low - medium sized venue doesn't seem so sparsely occupied. venues of the size and suitability of dublin castle, clockwork, dingwalls, bloomsbury bowl ...etc would seem to me to be of the appropriate scale.

and Al, I agree with your assumption that the entertainment on board won't generate 3 sets of turnout merely the same potential turnout with 3 times as much to entertain them. it's hard to know whether it's the collective interest of the board that has brought the event to this point and 6 pages of discussion or merely the enthusiasm of a handful of altruistically intended individuals - however, any roll call is going to be misleading and probably bury the idea. I believe that if it's going to happen then, once it's scheduled as part of that weekend's social action, it develops some of its own momentum but the risk involved means that the ambitions of the size of the event be tempered slightly.

I would also suggest that this is really 'NOOL night' as nobody is going to want to spend too much of the day in a venue. and the NOOLday aspect applies to the 5-a-side football that should be resurrected. or just a mass kickabout in hydepark!

Nail well and truly hit on head! All we need is somewhere that will look busy with 100 and rammed with 200 just in case we get some special guests dropping in. Footy is very much part of the plan still, that doesn't require the same degree of organisation as a gig though, hence the greater emphasis at this stage on the gig.

i reckon the UK tour should generate enough interest in the online get together to pack a venue of at least 200 especially if the hook-meister is spining the discs.

i reckon i'll be bringing a few chums along if it goes ahead.

what kind of music does PH play on his DJ sets?

El Jarvo wrote: Without wishing to put the proverbial cat amongst t'pigeons, we get an absolute max of 20 people from here turn out for Re-order gigs, roughly the same 20 would show for Digital and again, as has been proved time and time again in London, the same 20 again for Hooky dj sets.

In all seriousness, how many are we expecting for NewOrderOnline day?!

And why are any additional people suddenly coming out because it's a "day out associated with a website" when they never ever make an effort if it's just (a) Re-order, (b) Digital or (c) Hooky?

There will obviously be an additional groundswell of the Northern Order attending Wemberlee then perhaps stopping darn sarf before heading off to Wolves, but that's not gonna number more than another 20 again, surely? Barney Army, Liam, ATR, the Thomases, etc.

So, are we confident of getting the numbers in?

I'd love to come to all the aforementioned, but as you so rightly point out..........time and time again in LONDON: it's not that easy you know Al!!! Half of the time, it is midweek; I struggle enough to get away at weekends, as I am sure some other Larndarner will confirm.....

Family then work in that order, have to come first; that's just the way it is. Wherever the location.

It's unlikely I can make NOOL; and more than likely Wembley; and I think its pretty obvious I wont be going to Wolves now..........doesnt make me a lesser fan of NO though....does it?

CuanaD - D-plus wrote:

If I am able to go, I'll bring the cards&whistle & ref it

Already in my cable bag (which will become a decent flightcase by then I hope). best way to keep muso's in good soundchecking order, short of a batton gun. Got the idea from one of our lecturers who ran an 18 piece jazz orchestra....he sent the horns OFF one night LOL.

At the risk of resurrecting any Shed vs Live Gigs stuff: I am really looking forward to this (footy and evening both)... Will definitely be there and if anyone wants to send me a contract to rpove that:

SHEDi xxx

Yes indeed, i will be dragging my ass not only to the brown isle but to LONDINIUM for new order related festivities. And I'm chuffed to be able to do my bit for y'all.

Steve (feeling sane today ;) )

BTW, in case yer all wondering why no technobabble, I already know what needs doing, once I get an idea of the venue I will have a final battleplan.

Was thinking, it may be a good plan to flyer the crap out of the preceding gigs, especially wembley (in the hope of local casuals or fans in the big smoke for the weekend)

El Jarvo wrote:

There will obviously be an additional groundswell of the Northern Order attending Wemberlee then perhaps stopping darn sarf before heading off to Wolves, but that's not gonna number more than another 20 again, surely? Barney Army, Liam, ATR, the Thomases, etc.

you think we'll be there?

Al's right, about the ecconomics and the fact that those of us who feel a bit put upon, shouldn't bring it into NOOLday. Rise above it, everyone.

We might, if the venue is small enough, be able to do without a full size PA, instead using just a vocal system. Wouldn;t be ideal certainly, but it'd save money. (and I would have a relaxing day...it's not possible to make hard work of a 2 channel vocal PA).

for sheer fookin tenacity I hope this comes off for Timbo, I'm aware that others are puttin in time and effort,however I'm also aware of the work Tim has put in before now. More power to the lad, this time it looks in his grasp and I wish him well . Best wishes to all concerned .

Would like to be involved in a cowbell capacity ( no rider ..... unless y'all insist :D )

GaryMac re-dux

Trust me Nicos my friend, you cannot POSSIBLY be as financially screwed as I am. October has gone from my big holiday with a bulging wallet to being very much scraped together.

You just worry about getting your ass to London, you'll be taken care of I am quite sure. Would seem a bit daft, NOOLday sans M. NOOL.

Ok - This is the first post I have made on this subject.

I will of course be attending anything that's on offer. If there's footy involved I will bring my whistle, flags, cards and Ivanov attitude.

But time's marching on. I'm going to Wembley on the Friday and Wolverhampton on the Sunday. If there's nothing going on in between I intend to make a weekend of it in Wolvo and so need to book b&b and stuff.

I know these things take a lot of organising, and it sounds like bleating when I've done nowt, but I think now a decision needs to be made soon as to whether this is going to happen, and if so where and in what form.

Sorry if this post rubs anybody up the wrong way - it wasn't meant to do so, but I think that if nothing happens soon even the hardcore will have alternative arrangements to make.

Quite simply, I am waiting for a answer from the preferred venue to see if they are prepared to buy into the idea that it is a charity event, and thus to not expect the usual promoter references and bond upfront. If they are prepared to accept what we are trying to do, that we aren't bona fide promoters but a website trying to do something for the community of fans and for charity, then it will be taking place in London on Saturday 28th October.

However, if the venue's managing company are insistent that to host an event, they require financial guarantees from a promoter, including a bond up front and two references (and the bond to be drawn on a company account) then we are faced with either appealing to a promoter to undertake the job (which would almost inevitably mean that they want a cut, thus either reducing the charity contribution or increasing the ticket cost to you, the punter), or trying to choose an alternative venue. At this stage, that may prove a bridge too far.

Goodwill and enthusiasm aren't enough in this game.

Did you get any further response from Rebecca, Spotnick?

ummm, not being funny Tim but I secured a venue in Manchester way back for this for the princely sum of..fuck all. All we had to do was cover bar staff wages. Hindsight eh?

Anyway, since the SHed surfaced we need 2 parties....to stop the violence...and knife attacks

Me & Cambo third bout?

Wont last long that though

Lunatic Fridge wrote: Ok - This is the first post I have made on this subject.

I will of course be attending anything that's on offer. If there's footy involved I will bring my whistle, flags, cards and Ivanov attitude.

But time's marching on. I'm going to Wembley on the Friday and Wolverhampton on the Sunday. If there's nothing going on in between I intend to make a weekend of it in Wolvo and so need to book b&b and stuff.

I know these things take a lot of organising, and it sounds like bleating when I've done nowt, but I think now a decision needs to be made soon as to whether this is going to happen, and if so where and in what form.

Sorry if this post rubs anybody up the wrong way - it wasn't meant to do so, but I think that if nothing happens soon even the hardcore will have alternative arrangements to make.

A Weekend in Wolverhampton? Bloody hell.

Anyway, as I have a new job, too celebrate I might make a weekend of it in that London, so if anyone wants to put me up on the friday and saturday they are more than welcome to.

Barney Army wrote: ummm, not being funny Tim but I secured a venue in Manchester way back for this for the princely sum of..fuck all. All we had to do was cover bar staff wages. Hindsight eh?

I'd hardly call that "secured", would you? Hark back to your posts at the time!

Barney Army wrote: Me & Cambo third bout?

Wont last long that though

Thought you weren't going?

I intend to be too busy to bother with the likes of you.

No that were me who werent going.

I still aint staying for the old man spinning records though.

Strangely enough, I'm well aware that it is time to settle a venue. You try telling the venues in this country that we are trying to put on a charity gig - they won't touch it as we aren't promoters, don't have a company cheque book on which to pay deposits etc, and don't have promoter references.

Now if Alan Wise was to get involved, we may have some clout, but until he comes back to me we are in limbo.

Oddly enough I was thinking about Mr Wise as an option the other day. Even if he could simply underwrite it for us....shut the venue up without actually long-term parting with any of his folding money.

I SAID London venues were cash whores now didn't I :)

Doctor? wrote: Oddly enough I was thinking about Mr Wise as an option the other day. Even if he could simply underwrite it for us....shut the venue up without actually long-term parting with any of his folding money.

Which is precisely what I was after!

I don't mind sinking some of me own cash into this at all, but all things considered, I'm hardly in much of a position to offer bucket loads.

What type of money are they after? I'm happy to put in for the noolday whip-round, even though I don't think I'll be able to make it. Alternatively is it too late to change the location? Rather than see it go tits up completely?

Minx wrote: What type of money are they after? I'm happy to put in for the noolday whip-round, even though I don't think I'll be able to make it. Alternatively is it too late to change the location? Rather than see it go tits up completely?

willing to put money in a kitty...but not going

helloooooo...MCFLY!!

J.A.K wrote:

Minx wrote: What type of money are they after? I'm happy to put in for the noolday whip-round, even though I don't think I'll be able to make it. Alternatively is it too late to change the location? Rather than see it go tits up completely?

willing to put money in a kitty...but not going

helloooooo...MCFLY!!

When I was working, I had to put money in to whip-rounds for annoying gits when they left,(even though I hated them)

Glad I do not have to do that any more.

And I'd much rather try and help out with something cool, that I still hope to go to, however unlikely that seems with circumstances right now.

so have i, at work. gifts for plonkers you never talk to. i hate that.

but i'd never put money into a NOOL day if i weren't gonna be there. just don't make any sense. good intentions M, but a total head scratcher to me. anyway, i couldn't see many noolers dipping in

Some of this clearly isn't getting through......it's not about money at all. The majority of venues will only deal with promoters, and we aren't promoters! They want a deposit (not a problem) on a company cheque (problem) before they will even start talking.

I do have a cunning plan though, and this should come through by this weekend.

oldmonkey wrote: They want a deposit (not a problem) on a company cheque (problem) before they will even start talking.

I've got a Ltd company, and cheque book. You can use that if its it all you need. Want the dosh in my account beforehand though

Ok..

My band has got together a little setlist - that we would like to play at NOOL day.

Tim or anyone from Re: Order, do you want us to tell you which New Order/Joy Division songs we are thinking of covering, so we don't all end up playing the same thing, or does that not matter?

I think we are only gonna play like 8 songs anyway - 6 covers and 2 originals.

Anyway let me know please :)

Doesn't really matter what you play Jack, there will be so much overlap with the songs between your band, Flight, Digital and Re: Order. I suppose the audience will be expecting this anyway!

We'll be doing what I guess will predominantly be a JD set that may see a couple of NO songs thrown in, and Re: Order will be asked to do a predominantly NO set to try and alleviate the duplication, but I suppose this is likely to be one audience where it matters a bit less!

By all means let me know what you are planning to do though, chances are that none of the other bands will be doing them if they are more back-catalogue and not greatest hits. We tend to mix it up a bit on the JD stuff, and Re: Order do some of the album tracks only NO stuff as well as all the favourites. We like to think that there's a good balance.

Tim, will you email me so I can email you back with our proposed setlist??

oldmonkey wrote: Doesn't really matter what you play Jack, there will be so much overlap with the songs between your band, Flight, Digital and Re: Order. I suppose the audience will be expecting this anyway!

We'll be doing what I guess will predominantly be a JD set that may see a couple of NO songs thrown in, and Re: Order will be asked to do a predominantly NO set to try and alleviate the duplication, but I suppose this is likely to be one audience where it matters a bit less!

By all means let me know what you are planning to do though, chances are that none of the other bands will be doing them if they are more back-catalogue and not greatest hits. We tend to mix it up a bit on the JD stuff, and Re: Order do some of the album tracks only NO stuff as well as all the favourites. We like to think that there's a good balance.

I was going to ask you about this,Tim.If I get to DJ on the day,do we want all NO/JD/NO RELATED or a bit of everything?

MONTY

oldmonkey wrote: Some of this clearly isn't getting through......it's not about money at all. The majority of venues will only deal with promoters, and we aren't promoters! They want a deposit (not a problem) on a company cheque (problem) before they will even start talking.

I do have a cunning plan though, and this should come through by this weekend.

Sorry, should have made myself clearer, I know the score regarding what you need to pull off here. But the time will come when petty ( or not so petty) cash is needed, that's what I was on about. Didn't mean to muddy the waters.

[orange]Ultramega[/orange] OK wrote: Tim, will you email me so I can email you back with our proposed setlist??

You have mail sir.

SALFORD STAR! wrote:

oldmonkey wrote: Doesn't really matter what you play Jack, there will be so much overlap with the songs between your band, Flight, Digital and Re: Order. I suppose the audience will be expecting this anyway!

We'll be doing what I guess will predominantly be a JD set that may see a couple of NO songs thrown in, and Re: Order will be asked to do a predominantly NO set to try and alleviate the duplication, but I suppose this is likely to be one audience where it matters a bit less!

By all means let me know what you are planning to do though, chances are that none of the other bands will be doing them if they are more back-catalogue and not greatest hits. We tend to mix it up a bit on the JD stuff, and Re: Order do some of the album tracks only NO stuff as well as all the favourites. We like to think that there's a good balance.

I was going to ask you about this,Tim.If I get to DJ on the day,do we want all NO/JD/NO RELATED or a bit of everything?

MONTY

There are other bands? ;)

that makes 14 bands booked so far for NOOL Day.

J.A.K wrote: that makes 14 bands booked so far for NOOL Day.

You didn't learn how to use that abacus you nicked as a kid then?

It's Digital/Re: Order/Flight/Jack's Band/special guests.

oldmonkey wrote:

J.A.K wrote: that makes 14 bands booked so far for NOOL Day.

You didn't learn how to use that abacus you nicked as a kid then?

It's Digital/Re: Order/Flight/Jack's Band/special guests.

plus 10 other special guest bands.

What he said ^

14 bands and I'm bringing a megaphone, a cattleprod and amachine gun! ;)

actually, if there is going to be a few bands, could they play at really low volume. in another room even. cheers!

Would love to make it to NOOL Day but need to know, how much its going to cost - would pay upfront if necessary and the venue in London. I'm 99.9% certain to be there as due to work commitments I don't think I can do Hooky's DJ set in Lewisham this weekend and I wouldn't mind checking out Digital re:order etc. Cheers

It's all for charity, and ticket prices will depend on what overheads we pick up, but I am guessing it will probably be £10, very much doubt it will be any more than that.

My band is still interested, just need to ask the drummer. However, we have no bass amp or drum kit. :/

Bloody hell, I saw that last post at work and its been a good five hours since I left there. How come no one seems to have taken Marc up on his offer? Or been ridiculously quick to offer him the use of some equipment?

Uncle Liam wrote: Bloody hell, I saw that last post at work and its been a good five hours since I left there. How come no one seems to have taken Marc up on his offer? Or been ridiculously quick to offer him the use of some equipment?

You have to wonder what kind of band has a drummer without a kit and a bassist without an amp! Love of life makes you feel "HIRE" !

I have my big bass amp in Sussex, he has his drum kit in Sunderland. Might be a bit of a hassle transportation-wise. :/

Good news chaps and chapesses, we have a venue!

GJ's, the place that we were gonna use for the oldmonkey 40th birthday gig until we got a gig in Glasgow, have taken a booking just a few minutes ago. Gregor the boss is a fan of the band, it turns out!

We've got the whole pub/venue to ourselves, two bars, stage, restaurant etc. We'll have to sell tickets in advance and do a lot of organising etc.

I'll set up all the details about the venue etc when I get home. There is a Travelodge about 200 yards away, it's 3 mins from a tube on the Northern Line Zone 3, and there are several cracking curry houses etc nearby. And some football pitches just round the corner!

that ticks all the boxes I reckon (apart from the big horrible one that says "anywhere but south london" - but then the north london order are on home turf the night before) well done fella let me know when you need stuff 'realised'

GJs I note on the front page of their site they offer a spit roast... definitely one of the boxes I didn't expect to see ticked.

Nice one, it has the potential to be a really good night. Let me know when you need money i'm happy to pay upfront. Perhaps people should be emailing now to give you an idea of numbers expected.

Ta, guess we'll sell tickets through the site. There's still a hell of a lot to do, all kinds of logistics, publicity, promotion etc.

All it's cost me is £50 deposit (!) and about twelve months of earache!

We've got the whole venue, which means we can fit 300 in. Obviously we'll be looking to get close to that figure, and we'll be able to publicise it on here, through Re: Order, Digital and Flight gigs, and I would imagine a whole range of other channels too.

I shall start contacting various people who had offered to do things very soon! Right now it's feet up and a beer though.

Well done to all concerned in organizing this, especially Tim. Should be a cracking weekend. I'd imagine there'd be around 10 attending from Corby, including a strong fitba team. Let us know of any monies required up front.

Good work, Tim. I think, the german order will be there.

El Jarvo wrote: Saaarf London, lads?!

No fcuking class.

Is this still defo gonna include Hooky though?! (And I don't mean Hook Jnr).

As far as we know, yes. Had a mail from his DJ agent this morning.

oldmonkey wrote: Ta, guess we'll sell tickets through the site. There's still a hell of a lot to do, all kinds of logistics, publicity, promotion etc.

All it's cost me is £50 deposit (!) and about twelve months of earache!

We've got the whole venue, which means we can fit 300 in. Obviously we'll be looking to get close to that figure, and we'll be able to publicise it on here, through Re: Order, Digital and Flight gigs, and I would imagine a whole range of other channels too.

I shall start contacting various people who had offered to do things very soon! Right now it's feet up and a beer though.

Just lemme know the approc size of the place and whether or not they have anything nice and loud in house we can blag the use of. Essentially I am fairly sure of everything except how much PA to hang off the mixer. I am assuming we're not going for EVIL volume anyway, and if we can use the electronic kit, we're on a winner.

Facsimile wrote:

GJs I note on the front page of their site they offer a spit roast... definitely one of the boxes I didn't expect to see ticked.

which GJ'S is it - wandsworth or colliers wood?

I'm assuming here it's Colliers Wood,the newer place has venue facilities,and later describes it's near the Northern Line. Can't wait. Nice work,Timothy!

It's the Colliers Wood one. We used to go in there all the time when we lived in Colliers Wood a couple of years back, and it's a great place. We were holding my birthday gig there, but that has had to be postponed because we're playing in Glasgow the next night instead, and the lads don't want to do two gigs several hundred miles apart in two nights (quite understandably!).

I'm going down there later this week to get all the tech spec, room dimensions etc so we know what rig to get. I do know that they have an in-house PA that is used for DJ sets, whether that will fit the bill I don't know yet. We don't want a massive set-up though, something that we can all use (Digital have our own PA that we often use as a monitor mix or for sequencers, I guess Re: Order do as well) without any problems. Will keep people posted!

As soon as I've got a feel for what any additional sound will cost us, we can set the ticket price. Bearing in mind that the objective is to raise money for charity, we will only be paying expenses to bands (who may decide to donate that back, of course!). With a 300 cap on the venue it'll have to be around £10 per ticket I think. Not bad for what you will be getting!

The in house rig may not be any use, especially if it has speakers all over the place.Obviously from a cash saving point of view, the in house system would be the way to go.

My email's down cos my broadband's still fooked, so I'll have to keep in touch here.

Had a quick look at GJs this morning ,spot on Tim well done mate. One thing i forgot to look at when i was there,was parking for the re: order tour/shag bus. Is there any on site??

Spotnick wrote: I guess we can also sell "virtual tickets" for peole willing to donate to the cause but won't show up.

Quality idea.

Equipment wise, I assume all we need to bring is guitars, effects and keys? Will we be able to use someone elses backline amps?

Cheers

Dave PS we've put a littlel bit of info on our website. Just drop us the full hit and we will email it to our mail group.

Hooky's Six String Bass wrote: Had a quick look at GJs this morning ,spot on Tim well done mate. One thing i forgot to look at when i was there,was parking for the re: order tour/shag bus. Is there any on site??

Yeah, there's car parking at the front. Not much mind, but you'll be ok with the van there.

Good question about backline - with up to 5 bands playing now we'll have to sort out who provides the drum kit, for example. Gonna sort out the PA situation with the gaffer at the weekend, if need be I'll hire a decent rig then hand it over to Cambo to work his magic.

Makes sense to only have one set of amps etc on stage, and for those travelling from afar to only bring guitars/keys/effects etc.

Hopefully there will be a video wall or a white sheet at the worst for a Flight laser show as well, but don't hold your breath on that one Dave!

oldmonkey wrote: Good question about backline - with up to 5 bands playing now we'll have to sort out who provides the drum kit, for example.

Wherever possible I usually like to use my own drum kit at gigs so if that's OK with everyone then I'm happy to kit share with anyone....I live quite close so it would be easy to get my kit there and hopefully that would make it easier for Flight or Jaks band if they are having to travel down from the North.

The only thing I normally say is that people bring their own cymbals and Snare Drum etc.

Cheers Warren (Re:Order)

Spotnick wrote: Tim, did you ever get my email with a potential 6th band? or was that included in the 5?

Not another one? We've only got the venue for one night!

We've got, in no particular order:

Flight Digital Re: Order Jack and the Bates Masters Pottsy and chums

not had any more mails from you about anyone else. Realistically we'll have to draw a line under it there, as with Hooky DJing as well, and Monty DJing between bands, we'll have to have the first band on pretty early already!

We'll go first.

Then at least if we're shit, people will have forgotten about us by the time Digital or Re: Order come on

I'll soundcheck you lot last then, that way you walk on to the same mix you checked with, it'll take a little of that first gig stress out of things for you. The more experienced bands will breeze through the first song or so where things sound odd as I get the mix back...unless anyone wants to hire/give us a great big fook off total recall desk...press button, fuck off to bar ;)

As for other things, I would stil love electric drums only for all sorts of lazy reasons (as well as the obvious artistic reason of being able to play without the backline screaming in the red to keep up with the kit). But I'm just as happy with accoustic drums, as long as we can settle on one or two kits. 5 chenges of kit and we'll have no time for music, and the drums will sound perpetually cack. If the stage is big enough, there's not much problem with there being multiple guitar and bass amps. it's easy to swap a draped mic or DI, mains can be an arse tho, the less yanking and plugging of mains plugs on a dark stage the better. And as I have mentioned before, if the keyboard dudes want to send me individual feeds from each keyboard we are gonna need one hell of a big mixing board, I don't mind that, I can do big boards, but it also means bigger bucks, and also creates a requirement for a complex/hard to find, stage box, or a veritable army of DI boxes, each costing 5-10 quid to hire and each being one little bastard of a failure waiting to bugger it all up on us.

i know it is really early to be thinking about some of this, but if we all keep simplisity and ease of change-over in mind from the get-go in terms of technical planning, there will be less screaming and tears on the day :D

There will only be the one kit on stage, it'll be Warren's acoustic kit as the last band on. We'll have two octapad things as well for Insight and She's Lost Control, but no sequencers from us (thank fook, unless we do The Eternal and sequence the shimmery sound at the start), we'll be doing a straightforward JD set with just one keyboard DI input. It's Re: Order who'll have all the kit, but they also know exactly what goes where and what draws what, so it won't be as onerous as you may suspect!

All our effects will be off the pedals rather than a rack effects loop for simplicity and ease of clearance afterwards, and I guess amps are pretty portable too.

oldmonkey wrote: There will only be the one kit on stage, it'll be Warren's acoustic kit as the last band on. We'll have two octapad things as well for Insight and She's Lost Control, but no sequencers from us (thank fook, unless we do The Eternal and sequence the shimmery sound at the start), we'll be doing a straightforward JD set with just one keyboard DI input. It's Re: Order who'll have all the kit, but they also know exactly what goes where and what draws what, so it won't be as onerous as you may suspect!

All our effects will be off the pedals rather than a rack effects loop for simplicity and ease of clearance afterwards, and I guess amps are pretty portable too.

Sorted, easy peasy lemon squeezy.

As I say amps are no bother, it's easy to have them all there and just swap the DI's and mics, especially since I am a HUGE fan of dumping the mic over the top of the amp and letting it hang side on, on the speaker grille, sounds daft, but works brilliantly...especially for all you bastards with AC30's, it takes a lot of the shriek out.

I'm looking forward to this, big time, I must confess however to being a little aprehensive at working so far from my "support network", the folks I phone when things go tits up and I need to find a 1000W poweramp at 10pm.

If you give me a wants list on PA gear, (a realistic one!!! ) I will have a scout around for some London PA companies that can provide.

None of us use AC30s by the way! I'm a Marshall man through and through, and my rig will be a Marshall MG100DFX with additional 4x12 cab. Phil uses a Roland Cube, and Jim Reilly Jim Reilly uses whatever he can get his hands on!

Now I need to try to convince the greeks to come.. I'm sure some of the bands out there could help Sophia singing over your music isn't it? :p Crystal, Vanishing Point, Turn, Dreams Never End (although I hope Flight will do us the honors), We All Stand... would be nice ;)

Wishful thinking... the girl is lost in Crete without Internet, so I doubt she'll read this anyways!

Sophia is more than welcome to sing DNE with us. :)

Can I suggest splitting this thread? It would seem to be the first port of call and master thread for info updates and such. But there is obviously also a need for a thread dedicated to the more techy, esoteric details of the evening. I say this because I would contribute to that thread but don't want to bore anybody who might be hoping to catch up with information that concerns the larger body of viewers.

Good thinking squire. Consider it split.

Thanks for that. How do I contribute to the thread?

Facsimile wrote: Thanks for that. How do I contribute to the thread?

It's HERE, in the Technical Forum.

LutonOrder wrote:

Facsimile wrote: Thanks for that. How do I contribute to the thread?

Will, it's HERE, in the Technical Chat Forum.

LutonOrder wrote:

Facsimile wrote: Thanks for that. How do I contribute to the thread?

It's HERE, in the Technical Forum.

Thanks Dave but it was this I was really looking for. Back now, as evidenced by the replies [which, bizarrely, don't register]

The tech one has been housed in the technical forum, and is of no interest to anyone but the bands, hence it being shifted out of the way. The reference to that in the sticky on here is merely to direct those who need to know to it, and it will be deleted as soon as those who need to see it have done so. As for the "who's coming" thread, that no longer needs a sticky.

There are several threads about the South American gigs!!!!!

why does it matter how many threads there are??

El Jarvo wrote:

oldmonkey wrote: There are several threads about the South American gigs!!!!!

Only one sticky though! Which was my initial point.

And, granted, that probably doesn't need to be a sticky anyways now cos those of us who are going (from here at least) are on a little email list now anyways.

Now Al, don't you upset the apple cart by posting bogus comments about sequencers and the like on the techy thread :p

Spotnick wrote: Tim, did you get Pottsy's mail? He told me he mailed you and heard nothing.

I directed him to the technical forum thread.

Replied to him yesterday. First chance I had to read any mails!

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: you bringing Tony Fucking Wilson along as well???

I will ask him at Glasgow and see what he thinks. Would be rather good!

Wish I could come if only to see Hooky small talking with Tony W.

Right, ok, some of you have been waiting for an announcement about the venue.

As you may have gathered from earlier messages and threads, the originally announced venue has proved to be unsuitable. I've gone in search of a suitable alternative, and have been offered a major London venue (that NO have played before). As soon as I have finalised the contractual arrangements with the venue, I will be able to announce it and begin the publicity.

Suffice to say that you will all be able to buy tickets from me - either through postal sales(paying by Paypal) or by giving me cash at one of the NO gigs in October (I'm doing them all).

The event will contain Hooky as DJ, plus sets from Re: Order, Digital, Flight, Jack's Band and some very special guests. Monty will be doing some DJ stuff for us as well, and we hope to raise £2000 for Cancer Research.

oldmonkey wrote: a major London venue (that NO have played before)

The Hope and Anchor?

Does "Jacks Band" have a name or is that it?