What is New Order's most underrated song?

the whole underrated/overrated debate is tough because tons of people on this forum love the "hidden gems"/b-sides/album cuts that most NORMAL people don't know or care for i.e. LEAVE ME ALONE, DREAM ATTACK, LONESOME TONIGHT. Those are still underrated in my opinion but widely metioned on this forum. Obviously LOVE VIGILANTES got the shaft on RETRO so that is overlooked big time even though it appears in the live set sporadically. TRUTH on MOVEMENT is an amazing little tune as is CHOSEN TIME but both get lost behind the more popular songs from that album.

I will select TURN THE HEATER ON though as what i feel is the most underrated. It's hidden on the Peel Sessions, never played live, a tribute to Ian in a round about way and a lovely marriage of electonic and acoustic instruments.

I suppose Face-Up would qualify, I have liked that ever since I first heard it close Low-life and for the life of me cannot figure out why it's not more popular

I always thought Vanishing Point was NO's third best song, behind True Faith and Temptation, so that's my choice for an underrated song

Im terms of the binomy fame-quality, I think YSF wins so far...

times change definitely, i just think its completely different, its not brilliant but its not as shit as its made out to be, its fresh at least. i guess at times its better to be completely shit than mediocre :D

Originally posted by Jeff White just had a listen to Angel Dust...it's fooking amazing...why doesn't this one get more accolades?

Maybe because of the wimpy track title, plus it's on Brotherhood, so it does naturally does not get very much attention, and I agree it's an awesome track, but the lyrics could be better, but it has awesome music in the background

TPK (proper Substance version), Angel Dust, AOC, Truth, Lonesome Tonight, IALP, Your Silent Face, Procession, Doubts Even Here, actually the whole Movement album, et al.

Chosen Time, Senses, This Time of Night, Dream Attack, Young Offender, Primitive Notion

Two absolute gems which everyone seems to overlook are Ultraviolence (esp.live) and Angel Dust (also esp. live). Vanishing Point is great but I reckon most NO diehards do really appreciate it. Of the later stuff, I would add Everyone Everywhere and Turn My Way. :)

Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope TPK (proper Substance version), Angel Dust, AOC, Truth, Lonesome Tonight, IALP, Your Silent Face, Procession, Doubts Even Here, actually the whole Movement album, et al.

Great tracks, but most of these aren't underrated, in fact most of them are absolute classics which everyone accepts!

Personally, I'd say either This Time Of Night or the Music Video version of TPK.

What can I say- I love old, noisy, pulsating synth sounds.

My vote goes to Murder, totally underrated, and so different from anything they have ever done. It's so original and thrills me everytime i hear it.

Originally posted by Drep Hemarsarkus times change definitely, i just think its completely different, its not brilliant but its not as shit as its made out to be, its fresh at least. i guess at times its better to be completely shit than mediocre :D

hear hear

Before going out last night for a few beers i played the entire TECHNIQUE and thought just how great both VANISHING POINT and DREAM ATTACK sounded even after all these years.Put me in a great mood despite the crap weather and not doing well with jobs and women at the moment.Thanks to NEWORDER life ain't a bad old game!

i think it's as it is when it was, its such a great song, great lyrics,and a great bassline, i love it lonesome tonight is a pretty underated song too, i love the Guitar at the ending of that song

Originally posted by One Brain > Originally posted by almanso and i didn´t understand why We All Stand is also so criticized.

I do: it's because of the poor production on "Power, Corruption & Lies". It's a great song, I submit any live version as evidence.

i think the peel session version of we all stand is one of my favorite new order songs and the PC&L Version is one of my least.

Hmmm......

For me it has to be THE PERFECT KISS. It did very badly in the charts, despite the fact that it is a brilliant piece of electronic genius!

That's where my vote goes, THE PERFECT KISS!!

For me, it's Procession. Usually overlooked as a B-Side, (despite the 7" in question only labelling the two sides as "Hard" and "Soft"), I love it. It's not my favourite NO track, but the ones I like better I don't think are underrated, eg Elegia, Ceremony, side 2 of Technique, Leave Me Alone, etc because most fans rate them quite highly.

Procession is a great tune, from the opening/closing synth drone to the excellent lyrics. Here is Barney stepping out from the shadow of Joy Division: "A mass of harmless attitudes/attack them or subside/no matter what you say or do your heart meets you/late at night". Easily as good as anything he's written since and much better than a lot (I mean, compare this with, say "state of the nation/our salvation" or "the sun was beating down on me ... I had to go to sea", etc and you could hardly believe it's the same writer!).

Although EGG is great, I think the fact that Procession was dropped for the 12" is such a shame. And Substance didn't help by relegating it to the B-Sides section.

All in all, I reckon that constitutes "underrated".:)

DON"T DO IT is Great & Power instrumental song. New order should start their sets with Don't Do It!

Originally posted by Al Jarvis Could be wrong on this, but didn't Steve pen the lyrics for Procession, and not Barney?

That would explain a lot...

Cheers matey, didn't know that

hmmm ICB peel sessions never gets mentioned much,nor does the temptation bside ,HURT. both top tunes imo.

Behind Closed Doors.

A little gem, hidden among Crystal-remixes, that tricked us into believing that Get Ready was going to be the best album they've produced in a long, long time...

/TLV

Originally posted by Buffer Low My vote goes to Murder, totally underrated, and so different from anything they have ever done. It's so original and thrills me everytime i hear it.

Twas Steve's favourite song too a while back. I also like Murder a lot.

Originally posted by death of art For me, it's Procession. Usually overlooked as a B-Side, (despite the 7" in question only labelling the two sides as "Hard" and "Soft"), I love it. It's not my favourite NO track, but the ones I like better I don't think are underrated, eg Elegia, Ceremony, side 2 of Technique, Leave Me Alone, etc because most fans rate them quite highly.Procession is a great tune, from the opening/closing synth drone to the excellent lyrics. Here is Barney stepping out from the shadow of Joy Division: "A mass of harmless attitudes/attack them or subside/no matter what you say or do your heart meets you/late at night". Easily as good as anything he's written since and much better than a lot (I mean, compare this with, say "state of the nation/our salvation" or "the sun was beating down on me ... I had to go to sea", etc and you could hardly believe it's the same writer!).Although EGG is great, I think the fact that Procession was dropped for the 12" is such a shame. And Substance didn't help by relegating it to the B-Sides section.All in all, I reckon that constitutes "underrated".:)

Couldn't agree with you more. Both these song's turned me onto New Order big time in the early 80's. Still love them.

I think Ecstacy is hugely underated. For it's time it sounded sooooo futuristic - well it did to me in those days anyway. A great instrumental. Wish I knew what the "lyric" was.

Seems that "Don't Do It" is quite popular among members. Pop's up from time to time in conversation. I can't agree on that one. When I first heard it I thought it was crap and understood why it was a b-side. Still don't care for it. Each to his own though.

I'm going with Chosen Time. I've only heard the Taras Shevchenko version (wrongly labelled as ICB on the 316 DVD, if I remember right) but it's awesome. Those synths! :D

I must admit, I'm a bit of a sucker for Movement. I think it's a shame that the production was a bit flat and that the band were lacking self-confidence, because the actual songs are really good - I'm with you on Chosen Time, plus Denial and Doubts Even Here.

Much is made of Blue Monday and P,C&L being the real "start" of New Order, but I reckon people are missing out on some gems from the 1980-82 period. I mean, aside from the great run of singles from Ceremony - Temptation, you get a neglected and a stunning second Peel Session. Missing link in the story? "Too Late" is cracking (and I even like "Turn the Heater On"!).

In twenty-odd years time, will people look back and say "I really think "Slow Jam" is a lost classic"? Hmm.

I'll second you on 'TOO LATE' - a fantastic track, underrated by the band even (not playing it live or releasing it themselves)

Sooner Than You Think

One of their saddest songs. I love it.

Leave Me Alone and Procession

I really like Weirdo, and it never gets mentioned. Also I've recently been getting into the Movement era, the versions on the early Peels are great, Truth especcially.

Sooner than you think

Well, a lot of great ones have been mentioned so far, so I'll pick one that hasn't yet been. I'll say "All Day Long" or is that considered a favorite? I don't ever really hear anybody talk about it and was really surprised when it showed up on Retro. I love the way it's just two short verses followed by several minutes of layered synth lines.

I said it before, and I'll say it again:

Ultraviolence

I think all songs in Republic are excelent.

Originally posted by Ziedonis Zelgis I think all songs in Republic are excelent.

You are a very generous soul, or just foolish

Age of Consent is probably the most energetic New Order song there is and they havn't played it for 15 years.So it gets my vote.

Mesh, Avalanche, Ecstacy.

Originally posted by Old Blue Mesh, Avalanche, Ecstacy.

Good calls.

I like "Special" off Republic too. It's not a wholly bad album at all.

"Mr. Disco" and "Dream Attack", and perhaps even a better choice, "Everyone, Everywhere" -- an absolute gem.

Originally posted by Some Distant Memory "Mr. Disco" and "Dream Attack", and perhaps even a better choice, "Everyone, Everywhere" -- an absolute gem.

Dream Attack is another of my fav songs, but I think Mr Disco is a very overrated song, especially when compared to the greatness of the other Technique tracks

Master and Servant

Originally posted by dub Master and Servant

You are a ham for attention, aren't you? Now the two bands should be kept separate; you broke that rule, so I am coming Down Under

Better make sure your passport is current, or you'll end up at Woomera Detention Centre and we'll see you 3 years later when your application is finally processed and you're subsequently deported to Iran

Originally posted by Jeff White just had a listen to Angel Dust...it's fooking amazing...why doesn't this one get more accolades?

I love that one as well, it's on way too many mix tapes.....

Also, personally, I'd always given 586 a bit less attention on PC&L than the other songs, but have really come to appreciate it.

1963 - even the band admitted that it should have been an A-side.

Dream Attack and Vanshing Point - these would have been far better singles off of Technique than Fine Time and Run.

Primitive Notion - a modern day TPK. Would have loved to have heard this one live in '01 & '02 (of course, would have loved to have heard TPK live then too).

Well I've given this a bit of thought and I'll go for

procession all day long (I love hooky's riff) the village

My turn !

There are so many that are under-rated, by us, the record-buying public, by the band themselves, by the media etc.....

Benny's Cobweb Eyes says:

Ultraviolence - wonderful live song spoiled by shite production on record We All Stand - ditto Sooner Than You Think - overshadowed by other tracks on the album, but a classic in its own right This Time of Night - one of their finest works

But, for me, the most criminally neglected work the band have produced is

Let's Go (instrumental version)

This song has it all, it is classic New Order, and having no words makes it even better as there is nothing to cringe at. Catchy bassline, typical Barney guitar patterns, synths at the end. A perfect song to open a gig with or to break things up in the middle. If you don't believe me, check the video of Leuven 85. Pure quality.

The Village - my fave track of PCL & one of their finest songs

Originally posted by KnownPleasures My turn !Let's Go (instrumental version)

This song has it all, it is classic New Order, and having no words makes it even better as there is nothing to cringe at. Catchy bassline, typical Barney guitar patterns, synths at the end. A perfect song to open a gig with or to break things up in the middle. If you don't believe me, check the video of Leuven 85. Pure quality.

Hear, hear!! As a matter of fact, I'm thinking about weeding the audio of that concert one of these days... Don't miss it, y'all!

I always thought DNE was a great track, even with Barney's bad vocals on the whole Movement album

Originally posted by little boy lost > Originally posted by KnownPleasures My turn !Let's Go (instrumental version)

This song has it all, it is classic New Order, and having no words makes it even better as there is nothing to cringe at. Catchy bassline, typical Barney guitar patterns, synths at the end. A perfect song to open a gig with or to break things up in the middle. If you don't believe me, check the video of Leuven 85. Pure quality.

Hear, hear!! As a matter of fact, I'm thinking about weeding the audio of that concert one of these days... Don't miss it, y'all!

Hang on a while though Jan - I've got a mixer of the full show on its way at the moment, that should be better than the FM version, and should include the whole set ! I'll copy it for you as soon as it arrives.

Originally posted by World in Commotion I always thought DNE was a great track, even with Barney's bad vocals on the whole Movement album

In fact, Barney's vocals are particularly shit on Dreams Never End. So much so in fact, he starts to sound like Hooky

Originally posted by KnownPleasures > Originally posted by little boy lost> > > > Originally posted by KnownPleasures> My turn !Let's Go (instrumental version)

This song has it all, it is classic New Order, and having no words makes it even better as there is nothing to cringe at. Catchy bassline, typical Barney guitar patterns, synths at the end. A perfect song to open a gig with or to break things up in the middle. If you don't believe me, check the video of Leuven 85. Pure quality.

Hear, hear!! As a matter of fact, I'm thinking about weeding the audio of that concert one of these days... Don't miss it, y'all!

Hang on a while though Jan - I've got a mixer of the full show on its way at the moment, that should be better than the FM version, and should include the whole set ! I'll copy it for you as soon as it arrives.

Wow, Tim... That would be fantastic! I'll gladly offer that copy up for weeding once I get it. Many, many thanks already!!

Originally posted by Spotnick > Originally posted by World in Commotion I always thought DNE was a great track, even with Barney's bad vocals on the whole Movement album

I think Tim beat me to it...

But that's not Barney!! It's Hooky singing! well that shows my inexperience as a NO fan; I've got more reading to do. Damn myself being born in 85

Trying put the discussion back on topic. BTW underrated by whom ? My personal opinion is Truth (Movement). The atmosphere of the song is great, between (old) JD and (new) NO.

It's gotta be 'Here To Stay', an incredible song that seems to have fallen by the wayside, definately underrated by a long shot I think...

Kris

Nobody seems to like Blue Monday. Not even the band. :D

No seriously songs like Hurt, 1963 and Run spring to mind as the most underrated.

5 8 6. :D

The eternally spooky "Truth" gets my vote - it's their "Ghost Town" dontcha know!?

Originally posted by KnownPleasures My turn !Let's Go (instrumental version)

This song has it all, it is classic New Order, and having no words makes it even better as there is nothing to cringe at. Catchy bassline, typical Barney guitar patterns, synths at the end. A perfect song to open a gig with or to break things up in the middle. If you don't believe me, check the video of Leuven 85. Pure quality.

Actually, it's so neglected I'd forgotten it when I've first posted !

I've heard the demo version with vocals, courtesy of Rocket Mick Productions, the lyrics are very nice and simple, nothing pretentious and nothing to be ashamed about. Lovely guitar song.