help needed from NOOL heavyweights

I have just got a CD from Stash entitled OZ/NZ 85?

I need a venue and date, here is the track listing:

Sunrise Sooner Than You Think Subculture Age Of Consent As It Is When It Was Hurt 586 Chosen Time Perfect Kiss Confusion

Checked Water Rats gigography and Spotnick's gig guide but no luck.:(

Originally posted by Solitude I have just got a CD from Stash entitled OZ/NZ 85?I need a venue and date, here is the track listing:SunriseSooner Than You ThinkSubcultureAge Of ConsentAs It Is When It WasHurt586Chosen TimePerfect KissConfusionChecked Water Rats gigography and Spotnick's gig guide but no luck.:(

Try these mates from New Zealand :

mattjones@arse.co.nz matthew jones

m.smyth@xtra.co.nz matthew (not the same person)

They toured in Oceania between 17/05/85 - 23/05/85

I'll know what it is from one listen - have my suspicions aleady, but need to check some banter/bum notes.

Originally posted by Reg Bumswizle I'll know what it is from one listen - have my suspicions aleady, but need to check some banter/bum notes.

ahhhh...the joys of a NO gig.

Originally posted by Tracey Spivey > Originally posted by Reg Bumswizle> I'll know what it is from one listen - have my suspicions aleady, but need to check some banter/bum notes.

ahhhh...the joys of a NO gig.

Ditto, but who else would you pay good money to for an insult and dodgy bum notes at a live performance?

This gig is probably Oz/Nz OR UK as you can just about make out the shouted requests from fans (it is sounboard so they sound distant) Talking of bum notes, nothing can beat Hooky's colossal cock-up during Leave Me Alone at Cornwall 84?

Tim/Reg, check your inbox

Originally posted by Solitude > Originally posted by Tracey Spivey> > > > Originally posted by Reg Bumswizle> > I'll know what it is from one listen - have my suspicions aleady, but need to check some banter/bum notes.>

ahhhh...the joys of a NO gig.

Ditto, but who else would you pay good money to for an insult and dodgy bum notes at a live performance?

This gig is probably Oz/Nz OR UK as you can just about make out the shouted requests from fans (it is sounboard so they sound distant) Talking of bum notes, nothing can beat Hooky's colossal cock-up during Leave Me Alone at Cornwall 84?

Tim/Reg, check your inbox

Apart from his cock-up on Leave Me Alone at Gloucester three nights before ? Nowt in inbox !

My guess is Canton Club, Hong Kong April 1985?. Only because i have not seen a setlist from that gig.

Sheesh...i thought we had started a WEIGHTWATCHERS and was going to join up!:DBet you hope it is HONG KONG though.....

Originally posted by Solitude My guess is Canton Club, Hong Kong April 1985?. Only because i have not seen a setlist from that gig.

I guess there will be several distinguishing features that will tell me which continent, and whether the CD is in fact a compilation of a few other gigs. The set-list is worryingly similar (in choice of songs rather than order) to quite a few in that era. Bum notes, changed lyrics and banter are the key !

It's Osaka revisited ;) Are there no members here from the Far East or just anyone who might have a massive collection of memorabilia that might just have press kit with the dates of that tour?

Originally posted by robin It's Osaka revisited ;) Are there no members here from the Far East or just anyone who might have a massive collection of memorabilia that might just have press kit with the dates of that tour?

You read my mind......set list is rather similar, it could well be that this gig and your Osaka one are the same, with all 12 tracks now revealed ! Always suspected there was something strange about the order of songs on the Osaka recording, though it was clearly a bona-fide New Order in Japan/HK 1985 recording. We'll see shortly, hopefully ! It would be great if this was either the HK gig or an unknown Aus/NZ one - the 85 tour was a bit threadbare !!

Had a listen to the entire CD, it most definetely is one gig and not a compilation as the it has a constant peculiar mix to the drums. Barney introduces 'Sooner Than You Think' as 'Bullet in the Head'. After 'Sooner Than You Think' ends, Barney asks Eddie to turn down the drums.

BTW, when was 'As It Was' debut?

'Chosen Time' intro is completely ruined due to lack of practice and when it finishes, Barney tells the audience that they will get the next one right. Then 'temptation' is cut short presumably because the tape ends. English speaking voices can be heard shouting for Transmission but overall, it has a feeling of a OZ/Far East gig. Copy to Tim to evaluate

Originally posted by Solitude Had a listen to the entire CD, it most definetely is one gig and not a compilation as the it has a constant peculiar mix to the drums.Barney introduces 'Sooner Than You Think' as 'Bullet in the Head'. After 'Sooner Than You Think' ends, Barney asks Eddie to turn down the drums.BTW, when was 'As It Was' debut?'Chosen Time' intro is completely ruined due to lack of practice and when it finishes, Barney tells the audience that they will get the next one right.Then 'temptation' is cut short presumably because the tape ends.English speaking voices can be heard shouting for Transmission but overall, it has a feeling of a OZ/Far East gig.Copy to Tim to evaluate

I'll tell you now that it's a new one that we don't have !! Does the bass have that weird sound that it did on the Oz/Japan shows ? If not, you may have found Cambridge :)

As It Is debuted at Salford 17/4/85, early versions are very recognisable, and I'd wager I can tie this gig down to a fortnight.

Cambridge ? We wait with eager anticipation....

Originally posted by Reg Bumswizle > Originally posted by Solitude> Had a listen to the entire CD, it most definetely is one gig and not a compilation as the it has a constant peculiar mix to the drums.> Barney introduces 'Sooner Than You Think' as 'Bullet in the Head'. > After 'Sooner Than You Think' ends, Barney asks Eddie to turn down the drums.> > BTW, when was 'As It Was' debut?> > 'Chosen Time' intro is completely ruined due to lack of practice and when it finishes, Barney tells the audience that they will get the next one right.> Then 'temptation' is cut short presumably because the tape ends.> English speaking voices can be heard shouting for Transmission but overall, it has a feeling of a OZ/Far East gig.> Copy to Tim to evaluate

I'll tell you now that it's a new one that we don't have !! Does the bass have that weird sound that it did on the Oz/Japan shows ? If not, you may have found Cambridge :)

As It Is debuted at Salford 17/4/85, early versions are very recognisable, and I'd wager I can tie this gig down to a fortnight. Tim, As It Is' does appear to be an early version and the bass drum throughout is very pronounced in the mix but a little less deep than is usual. Could this be Cambridge?, nah it's The Beach Club , Manchester!!!

it could be Yate's wine lodge 1980

Its a joke ok

Mike

Surprised no-one's made a Plan K joke yet.... :)

I was just wondering where the obligatory list of Brazillians demanding a copy was

Originally posted by Old Blue I was just wondering where the obligatory list of Brazillians demanding a copy was

I asked Peter a copy before this thread exists

Originally posted by Spotnick Once you know, let me know so we can complete the concert list here!

You haven't put the last lot of updates I sent you online yet !! ;)

Originally posted by Old Blue I was just wondering where the obligatory list of Brazillians demanding a copy was

very very funny!!! :bag:

Originally posted by Reg Bumswizle > Originally posted by robin> It's Osaka revisited ;) Are there no members here from the Far East or just anyone who might have a massive collection of memorabilia that might just have press kit with the dates of that tour?

You read my mind......set list is rather similar, it could well be that this gig and your Osaka one are the same, with all 12 tracks now revealed ! Always suspected there was something strange about the order of songs on the Osaka recording, though it was clearly a bona-fide New Order in Japan/HK 1985 recording. We'll see shortly, hopefully ! It would be great if this was either the HK gig or an unknown Aus/NZ one - the 85 tour was a bit threadbare !!

I remember you saying this at the time. What strikes you as so strange? To me the only unique aspect is that they ended the main set w/ "as it is when it was" which at the time was a really new song so they were probably throwing it all over the setlist during '85. And they had not yet started end ing shows with the obligatory synth opus (blue monday, perfect kiss, temptation). There are plenty of shows where they end either the main or the encore with sunrise or ceremony, so i don't think "as it is " is too far off those.

Originally posted by robin > Originally posted by Reg Bumswizle> > > > Originally posted by robin> > It's Osaka revisited ;) Are there no members here from the Far East or just anyone who might have a massive collection of memorabilia that might just have press kit with the dates of that tour?>

You read my mind......set list is rather similar, it could well be that this gig and your Osaka one are the same, with all 12 tracks now revealed ! Always suspected there was something strange about the order of songs on the Osaka recording, though it was clearly a bona-fide New Order in Japan/HK 1985 recording. We'll see shortly, hopefully ! It would be great if this was either the HK gig or an unknown Aus/NZ one - the 85 tour was a bit threadbare !!

I remember you saying this at the time. What strikes you as so strange? To me the only unique aspect is that they ended the main set w/ "as it is when it was" which at the time was a really new song so they were probably throwing it all over the setlist during '85. And they had not yet started end ing shows with the obligatory synth opus (blue monday, perfect kiss, temptation). There are plenty of shows where they end either the main or the encore with sunrise or ceremony, so i don't think "as it is " is too far off those.

It wasn't the ending with As It Is that surprised me, they did that on some other shows as well. It was the placement of Perfect Kiss as the first track, when you can quite clearly hear someone shout "encore". I suspect that it was the encore - we know they came back for one as the CD stops with them back on stage. I think they opened with Confusion (or Hurt), and everything else is nudged forward one in the set. The quiet bit at the start of Hurt makes me suspicious as well, as they'd already played sequencer tracks in the gig so would have had the volumes right for the Emulator output ! It actually sounds like a total loss of volume, you'd expect an audience reaction to something like that happening during a show.

Originally posted by Reg Bumswizle > Originally posted by robin> > > > Originally posted by Reg Bumswizle> > > > > > > Originally posted by robin> > > It's Osaka revisited ;) Are there no members here from the Far East or just anyone who might have a massive collection of memorabilia that might just have press kit with the dates of that tour?> > >

You read my mind......set list is rather similar, it could well be that this gig and your Osaka one are the same, with all 12 tracks now revealed ! Always suspected there was something strange about the order of songs on the Osaka recording, though it was clearly a bona-fide New Order in Japan/HK 1985 recording. We'll see shortly, hopefully ! It would be great if this was either the HK gig or an unknown Aus/NZ one - the 85 tour was a bit threadbare !!

I remember you saying this at the time. What strikes you as so strange? To me the only unique aspect is that they ended the main set w/ "as it is when it was" which at the time was a really new song so they were probably throwing it all over the setlist during '85. And they had not yet started end ing shows with the obligatory synth opus (blue monday, perfect kiss, temptation). There are plenty of shows where they end either the main or the encore with sunrise or ceremony, so i don't think "as it is " is too far off those.

It wasn't the ending with As It Is that surprised me, they did that on some other shows as well. It was the placement of Perfect Kiss as the first track, when you can quite clearly hear someone shout "encore". I suspect that it was the encore - we know they came back for one as the CD stops with them back on stage. I think they opened with Confusion (or Hurt), and everything else is nudged forward one in the set. The quiet bit at the start of Hurt makes me suspicious as well, as they'd already played sequencer tracks in the gig so would have had the volumes right for the Emulator output ! It actually sounds like a total loss of volume, you'd expect an audience reaction to something like that happening during a show.

I hear the voice you're speaking of, but I don't hear him as aying "encore" but rather something in japanese that I can't quite make out (it'd probably be easier if I spoke a lick of Japanese:)). That said, there's no break between perfect kiss and confusion, which barney introduces as "the next song we're gonna play is called confusion" indicating that there had been a previous song, thereby eliminating that as the opener. The only other breaks are:

1. after the next song, age of consent, and it seems unlikely that there would have been a 3 song encore in'85 2)between sooner than you think (which cuts abruptly) and hurt (which fades in). This occurs approximately 42 minutes in so I would account for this by the taper flipping his 45min/side tape. 3)between blue monday and as it is when it was, the latter of which was obviously the last song played of the main set given the amount of time spent by the audience calling for an encore after this song. I can't explain why there would be a cut between these two songs un less the taper mistakenly thought the show was done after blue monday.

i'm thereby inclined to think this was the actual running order with the last song (temptation) lopped off.

Also, would you perhaps drop me a line. I've lost your e-mail and I wanted to ask you a couple of questions off the board. Don't worry, not the "What are you wearing right now?" type of question, but it's keeping with the live recording theme.

Have now managed to listen to this Aus/NZ 85 show (cheers Peter) and can confirm the following......

1. It's an undiscovered treasure, a bona-fide gig from 1985
2. It's not from Australia or New Zealand, or Japan, Hong Kong or even Taiwan. It's a US 1985 date, early in the tour at that.
3. As It Is When It Was is called "Bullet in my head" and is a lot nearer completion than the Apil/May 85 versions. Lyrics are the same as the Chicago 6/8/85 version.
4. Worst ever version of Chosen Time, possibly the worst performance of a song by the band ever ?
5. The crowd reactiona are wildest for older songs, particulaly Hurt, always a US favourite.

I think it is the show at Akron Agora, 7 August 1985, which reportedly surfaced on one trader's list in late 85 but was never circulated. It is definitely not Cambridge, Hong Kong or anywhere in Japan.