QWEST 67 track promo set (?)

Anyone know any thing about, or a full tracklisting of this item on sale at EIL: http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=268609&from=AG01D90

What mixes does this contain, and for what purpose? Can't afford the thing anyway - just wondered!

Andy

Originally posted by Mr Discography Anyone know anthingy about, or a full tracklisting of this item on sale at EIL: http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=268609&from=AG01D90What mixes does this contain, and for what purpose? Can't afford the thing anyway - just wondered!Andy

Could that be a promo-set for the aborted 'Recycle' project?

Yeah, I saw that - shame I don't have 550 quid to spend on records... :(

Esprit seems to have got quite a bit of stuff just recently... I might have been persuaded to buy the "Various 7" Versions" CD-R if it hadn't already been sold!

I'm guessing that it probably is a promo for the aborted Recycle project, but without shelling out the cash, we might never know...

l8rs,

Nick ;)

Give it a week or so, then ask Mr Sultan what's on it...

it's overpriced like so much on that site

the various 7" versions thing looked quite interesting though, the hacienda flexi tracks on a cd! plus temptation 7" and the happy one. if they were straight from the masters then cool, if they're just taken from vinyl (which does happen) then not so good (do your own)

Originally posted by johnny james the various 7" versions thing looked quite interesting though,the hacienda flexi tracks on a cd! plus temptation 7" and the happy one. if they were straight from the masters then cool, if they're just taken from vinyl (which does happen) then not so good (do your own)

Don't get too excited. IIRC, according to David the vinyl-only tracks were taken from the vinyl...

/TLV

DON'T GET TOO EXCITED THESE ARE BOOTLEGS.DON'T WANT TO NAME THE SOURCE BUT BELIEVE ME BOOTLEGS THEY ARE SORRY FOR THE BAD NEWS,EIL SHOULD TAKE THEM OFF SALE OR AT LEAST REDUCE THOSE SILLY PRICES ANDREW

well - i don't know if this is a boot or not

but I do know they've sold dodgy stuff before... essentially any of those Taiwan Imports (or what it the Phillipines...) it's some weird deal w/ copyright laws

and I've seen a release for Moby that was quite obviously a bootleg. It said it was outtakes from Play, but amongst the tracks was a b-side from Animal Rights

Originally posted by andrew curtis DON'T GET TOO EXCITED THESE ARE BOOTLEGS.DON'T WANT TO NAME THE SOURCE BUT BELIEVE ME BOOTLEGS THEY ARESORRY FOR THE BAD NEWS,EIL SHOULD TAKE THEM OFF SALE OR AT LEAST REDUCE THOSE SILLY PRICESANDREW

frankly, i think you should be naming the source if you know for certain who is responsible. this is no less than ROBBING FROM NEW ORDER and the FANS. i saw several suspicious releases in the New Order section and suspect there are many items for sale there that are Bootlegs. Technology today makes it Super Easy to produce what look like real "In-House" CD Promo's from big labels like Warner. Their discs conform to a specific design that is not hard to duplicate. I would never buy a Label In House CDR or any CDR for that matter. CD Acetate is misleading.

Out the person (scoundrel) selling this ridiculous package. I could knock up the same set in a matter of minutes as everything he's listed is in iTunes right now but i have respect for New Order and do not plan on stealing from them.

this is almost disgusting...

i hope EIL paid $800 for this set of homemade cd-r's.

Originally posted by johnny james it's overpriced like so much on that site

you're right there - there's been a PVC bag for sale for GPB100 for a while now. today I got notification that it now has a bigger logo and detachable mobile phone thingy for only GPB 200 ! I am mad but not that mad

Okay, here is the rather strange track listing:

{1} Perfect Kiss {Extended} {2} Perfect Kiss {Dub Mix} {3} Perfect Kiss {Instrumental} {4} Perfect Kiss {Video Short Version} {5} Sub-Culture {Remix} {6} Sub-Vulture {7} Sub-Culture {8} True Faith {Extended} {9} True Faith {Alternate Faith Mix} {10} True Faith {Remix 7-Inch} {11} Blue Monday {12} Blue Monday {How Does It Feel Mix - 1988} {13} Blue Monday {Dub Version - 1988} {14} Blue Monday {Single Remix Edit - 1988} {15} Touched By The Hand Of God {Remix} {16} Touched By The Hand Of God {Dub Version} {17} 1963 {18} 1963 {A Baker Remix} {19} Thieves Like Us {20} Best And Marsh {21} Beach {22} Round And Round {23} Round And Round {7 Inch} {24} Round And Round {Stephen Hague 12" Remix} {25} Round And Round {Kevin Saunderson Club Mix} {26} Round And Round {12" Ben Grosse Remix} {27} Fine Time {7 Inch Edit} {28} Fine Time {LP Version} {29} Fine Time {Dub Of FT} {30} Fine Time {Silk Mix} {31} Fine Time {Messing Around Mix} {32} Don't Do It {33} State Of The Nation {34} World In Motion {Single Mix} {35} World In Motion {B-Side} {36} World In Motion {No All Violenza Mix} {37} World In Motion {Subbuteo Mix} {38} World In Motion {Carabinieri Mix} {39} World In Motion {Subbuteo Dub} {40} Bizarre Love Triangle {LPV} {41} Bizarre Love Triangle {Extended Dance Mix} {42} Bizarre Love Triangle {Dub} {43} Bizarre Love Triangle {7 Inch} {44} Bizarre Love Triangle {45} Bizarre Love Triangle {46} Bizarre Love Triangle {Extended Edit} {47} Regret {LPV} {48} Regret {New Order Mix} {49} Regret {Fire Island Mix} {50} Regret {Junior Dub} {51} Spooky {Radio Edit} {52} Spooky {Stadium Mix} {53} Spooky {Magimix} {54} Spooky {Out Of Order Mix} {55} Spooky {Night Tripper Mix} {56} Spooky {Moulimix} {57} Spooky {New Order In Heaven Mix} {58} Spooky {Boo Dub Mix} {59} World {Radio Edit} {60} World {Perfecto Mix} {61} World {Brothers In Rhythm Mix} {62} World {World In Action Mix} {63} World {Perfecto Edit} {64} World {Sexy Disco Club Mix} {65} Ruined In A Day {Reunited In A Day Remix} {66} Ruined In A Day {Bogle Mix} {67} Ruined In A Day {Single}

Not quite a dry run for 'Recycled', but I have the majority of these on CD anyway, so no point wasting half a grand there then!

Andy.

is anything on that list previously unreleased? ...didn't spot any.

Don't think so, no.

... but some of it is otherwise unavailable on CD. I wonder what this stuff was mastered from?

Like Mr Discography I got as far as emailing for the listing, but now the price tag seems a bit steep when I have the majority of it on CD (and the rest on vinyl).

Hmmm. Any takers?

word is that the 6 cd set is authentic,but the other 1995 remixes etc cdrs are bootlegs,eil should know this and should be reported,also when i mentioned the source i actually meant who told me about these sets not the supplier or bootleger,i don't know who they are. Andrew

Well, it's been bought, so someone obviously thought it was the genuine article.

Mr Sultan?

....who else?

Originally posted by Spotnick > Originally posted by death of art> Well, it's been bought, so someone obviously thought it was the genuine article.> > Mr Sultan?

Yeah, nobody else is crazy enough!

and nobody else owns a bottomless money pit like he does

Originally posted by Geri > Originally posted by Spotnick> > > > Originally posted by death of art> > Well, it's been bought, so someone obviously thought it was the genuine article.> > > > Mr Sultan?>

Yeah, nobody else is crazy enough!

and nobody else owns a bottomless money pit like he does

I know that David is one of the more popular persons to pick on here on NOOL, but don't be too naive and think that he's the only collector in the world with the motivation and resources to buy truly rare items... There are a handful around the world - not all of them have the interest to hang around online forums...

If you think that 1000USD is a lot of money for a collectible you should check out the market for other groups with a more substantial following, e.g., Metallica, U2, Beatles, etc...

Regarding bootlegs: didn't the NO catalog move over to Reprise in 2000/2001? I would imagine that they would have wanted to press some in-house CDRs to get a feel for the tracks available.

/TLV

Originally posted by Spotnick Yeah but think about it, a CDR is supposed to have a life between 10 or 20 years only depending on the quality of the product...

Nope, 100 years, according to TDK's website

I have bought New Order CD-R's from Esprit before (but not anywhere near that price), and I believe that Warners/Qwest *did* manufacture these for in-house purposes only. Whether someone has since duplicated them and then passing them off to Esprit as the real thing is another matter, but I believe that the titles in question do exist...

Anyhow, I somehow doubt whether Warner/Qwest would be too happy at seeing these for sale, anyway!

l8rs,

Nick :D

Originally posted by Spotnick Anyways, it would be brillant to have promo that only last a few months... nothing to collect, and the record label doesn't get screwed ;)

Kind of like those disposable DVDs that "self-destruct" (dis-colorizing) themselves after 48 hours?

Here's more info regarding CD-R lifetime.

/TLV

Originally posted by Spotnick 100 years?Hum, the garantee written on most CD is 10 to 20 though... well, ok with me if it last that much...Anyways, it would be brillant to have promo that only last a few months... nothing to collect, and the record label doesn't get screwed ;)

Now that would be good - it would save me loads of cash! :D

As stated, it's incredibly easy to make copies of CD-R's and sell them off as the original - even I don't have 550 quid to spend on music!

BTW, if anybody here is the buyer of that 6 CD set, and unreleased to CD tracks (e.g. Dubvulture) are CD quality, do us a favour and upload them to the FTP so that we can all enjoy them!

l8rs,

Nick ;)

(not that i would sell them)...

but how much would a 25 cd-set of all the singles go for?

i'm still working on my 're-cycle' box set...and it will be 99% complete some time next year..

and it will include the artwork/ discography/etc....on all the discs...

i've pretty much got all the tracks now....(except for a few promo mixes, and odds and ends)...

later

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by the way, the tracklisting is strange..

2} Perfect Kiss {Dub Mix} -> kiss of death? 3} Perfect Kiss {Instrumental} -> kiss of death (edit) ?

{11} Blue Monday -> which version? {12} Blue Monday {How Does It Feel Mix - 1988} -> same as '88?

{29} Fine Time {Dub Of FT} -> fine line?

{43} Bizarre Love Triangle {7 Inch} -> remix? {44} Bizarre Love Triangle -> which one? {45} Bizarre Love Triangle -> which one? {46} Bizarre Love Triangle {Extended Edit} -> vinyl promo edit only..

later

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...hmm, the perfect kiss (instrumental), could b the flip-side of the u.s. promo 7' (Qwest 9 28968-7) a: the perfect kiss (edit) 4:23, b: the perfect kiss (instrumental) 5:09...

...update 4 negative 1, the positive nerd: what is 2 do 4 getting such a copy, only 2 ask for it ? tell me, negative 1, tell me...

Greetz, Floyd.

Originally posted by -1 by the way,the tracklisting is strange..

I'm pretty sure the tracklisting follows the US released singles... Do the x-ref.

/TLV

TPK Dub mix could be the one from the Benelux 7" which ahd different edits to the standard UK one (and was called "Dub" if memory serves).

Collectors' FYI: While going through my archived info for the coming update of the New Order Discography, I found the following message from Jon Masciana (Warner/Reprise guy) on 19 Dec 2002:

"I can confirm that. The Area One Reprise CDr is sourced from a bootleg copy of the show. The bootleg was duplicated so that a few people could hear it. It was given a usual promo cd-r sleeve.Also, the 6-disc set of remixes that somehow leaked out were also bootlegs (these were all taken from vinyl 12" mixes and given to a few A&R people at Warner.)One of these discs is this one:http://www.niagara.edu/neworder/albums/various7.htmlThere are 5 more of various vinyl-only remixes.However, all Qwest/WB 12" mixes and b-sides were dug from the vault and put on CD-r on a 6-disc set for a possible "best Of" re-release. Those discs are not bootlegs. A new best of never materialized though - 20 Years of New Order was created instead."

From this I deduct that the discussed 6xCDR collection from 2001 (which has now been removed from Esprit's listings) is the real deal, taken from the masters at Qwest/WB. The track listing seems to suggest that.

The other 6 CDRs (all made in 2001), quoted as bootlegs, or non-official Reprise CDRs, would be:

• Blue Monday 95 + True Faith 94
• 1995 Remixes (incl some Rest of Mixes and WiM 96)
• 1995 Remixes (incl some TF and 1963 mixes)
• The Rest Of New Order + Remixes
• Various 7" Versions
• Various 80's Remixes/Tracks

Full tracklistings and scans will be in the updated Discography. I'll probably lump the last 6 CDRs under the same entry (e.g., 2001 Reprise In-House CDR-pack) and make a note of the non-officialness...

/TLV

Originally posted by death of art TPK Dub mix could be the one from the Benelux 7" which ahd different edits to the standard UK one (and was called "Dub" if memory serves).

Actually, I have the UK and Benelux seven inches of The Perfect Kiss, and 'The Kiss Of Death' and 'Perfect Dub' are both exactly the same.

Andy.

Originally posted by Mr Discography > Originally posted by death of art> TPK Dub mix could be the one from the Benelux 7" which ahd different edits to the standard UK one (and was called "Dub" if memory serves).

Actually, I have the UK and Benelux seven inches of The Perfect Kiss, and 'The Kiss Of Death' and 'Perfect Dub' are both exactly the same.

Are you sure? I seem to remember that I did a comparison listen a loooong time ago, and the Dub and Death weren't the same. Of course my memory may fail me...

Have you compared it to the US 7"? According to my info, the BL and US issues are the same.

/TLV

Originally posted by TLV > Originally posted by Mr Discography> > > > Originally posted by death of art> > TPK Dub mix could be the one from the Benelux 7" which ahd different edits to the standard UK one (and was called "Dub" if memory serves).>

Actually, I have the UK and Benelux seven inches of The Perfect Kiss, and 'The Kiss Of Death' and 'Perfect Dub' are both exactly the same.

Are you sure? I seem to remember that I did a comparison listen a loooong time ago, and the Dub and Death weren't the same. Of course my memory may fail me...

Have you compared it to the US 7"? According to my info, the BL and US issues are the same.

/TLV

Just checked my seven inches, and the 7FBN123 and FAC123 seven inhes both have the same 5:10 versions of The Kiss Of Death, only the FBN version is called The Perfect Dub. On the A-Sides, FAC123 has the Low-Life version, and 7FBN123 has the ever-so-slightly Edited seven inch mix.

Andy.

I have them both too and I think that although they are the same length, Kiss of Death and The Perfect Dub are not the same edit.

I'll have to go away and listen to them though...

Originally posted by Mr Discography Just checked my seven inches, and the 7FBN123 and FAC123 seven inhes both have the same 5:10 versions of The Kiss Of Death, only the FBN version is called The Perfect Dub. On the A-Sides, FAC123 has the Low-Life version, and 7FBN123 has the ever-so-slightly Edited seven inch mix.

Hmm, I can't say anything about Dub/Death. But I've just checked the A-side on a CD I made a long, long, long time ago, and the time for that version is the 3:51 version. Now, I can't remember if I took it from the regular 7" or the 7" promo. I'm starting to suspect that I got it from the promo.

So it seems to me that the regular UK 7" and the UK 7" promo do not have the same tracks, but the promo has shorter edits - as seen in the Discography.

What I would like to know now is:

• Is the Instrumental/Dub the same as (regular 7") Kiss Of Death?
• Is the CA version (FAC23) the same as the regular UK version or the UK promo version?

Originally posted by death of art I have them both too and I think that although they are the same length, Kiss of Death and The Perfect Dub are not the same edit.I'll have to go away and listen to them though...

Please do.

/TLV

Originally posted by TLV > Originally posted by Mr Discography> Just checked my seven inches, and the 7FBN123 and FAC123 seven inhes both have the same 5:10 versions of The Kiss Of Death, only the FBN version is called The Perfect Dub. On the A-Sides, FAC123 has the Low-Life version, and 7FBN123 has the ever-so-slightly Edited seven inch mix.

Hmm, I can't say anything about Dub/Death. But I've just checked the A-side on a CD I made a long, long, long time ago, and the time for that version is the 3:51 version. Now, I can't remember if I took it from the regular 7" or the 7" promo. I'm starting to suspect that I got it from the promo.

So it seems to me that the regular UK 7" and the UK 7" promo do not have the same tracks, but the promo has shorter edits - as seen in the Discography.

What I would like to know now is:

• Is the Instrumental/Dub the same as (regular 7") Kiss Of Death?

Regular 7 Inch meaning the UK issue, then yes it is exactly the same. I've never heard the 3 minute edits of The Perfect Kiss or the Kiss Of Death, but I don't have them on my many formats!

How could they make The Perfect Kiss so short anyway?! There are no officially released seven inch versions that I know of that are less than 4 minutes in length, although I'd be interested to hear the promo edits. I have the Low-life album edit of the track on the UK seven inch, and a very slightly shorter version on the FBN 7 inch.

Andy.

Andy.

Originally posted by Mr Discography Regular 7 Inch meaning the UK issue, then yes it is exactly the same. I've never heard the 3 minute edits of The Perfect Kiss or the Kiss Of Death, but I don't have them on my many formats!How could they make The Perfect Kiss so short anyway?! There are no officially released seven inch versions that I know of that are less than 4 minutes in length, although I'd be interested to hear the promo edits. I have the Low-life album edit of the track on the UK seven inch, and a very slightly shorter version on the FBN 7 inch.

Ok, I'll do the appropriate edits to the Discography.

Regarding the 3:51 TPK, it must be from the promo. It has a cold start and a cold ending so it's not one of those fade-out edits.

/TLV

Originally posted by Spotnick 100 years?Hum, the garantee written on most CD is 10 to 20 though... well, ok with me if it last that much...Anyways, it would be brillant to have promo that only last a few months... nothing to collect, and the record label doesn't get screwed ;)

10, 20, 100 years, I don't care since we'll soon have to convert into SACD or DVDA format ! ;)

e'sc

i should have more information about these releases soon...

but looking at the times, the fbn edits, appear to be the same as the US 7" versions...(i have the us 7" promo, and am expecting both the normal release, and the fbn 7" also)...

i will also look into the promo edit versions..

later

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Weren't the promos of The Perfect Kiss just on acetates or something? Never seen these on Ebay or in record stores... Would be interested to hear the sub-four-minute versions if anyone has them as decent mp3 files...

By the way, don't forget to check out my New Order list for detailed chronoligal track information and my own, double-checked timings.

To recap, the versions (and timings) of Perfect Kiss I have:

• Fac 123 (UK 12 Inch) - A: The Perfect Kiss 8:46. B: The Kiss Of Death 7:01 / Perfect Pit 1:23

• Fac 123 (UK 7 Inch) - A: Perfect Kiss 4:48 [Low-life version]. B: Kiss Of Death 5:10

• 7FBN123 (Benelux 7 Inch) - A: The Perfect Kiss 4:24 [slightly edited Low-file version]. B: The Perfect Dub 5:10 [same as Kiss Of Death 7 Inch version]

• PRO-A-2342 (Qwest promo 12 Inch) - A: The Perfect Kiss (Single Edit) 4:24 [same as Benelux 7 Inch version]. B: The Perfect Kiss (Live Version From The Perfect Kiss Video) 5:13 [edited video version]

• Fac 200 (Substance CD album) - 7: Perfect Kiss 8:02 [edited 12 Inch version].

• WIN CD 011 (BBC Radio One Live In Concert) - 7: Perfect Kiss (Live 19th June 1987) 9:50.

• KTS 216 (Electronic Ecstasy) - 9: Perfect Kiss (Live 29th August 1993) 7:46.

• (In Hindsight II) - 10: Perfect Kiss (Razormaid Mix) 7:19.

• 0927 49499 2 (Retro Disc 5) - 8: The Perfect Kiss (Live Take Recorded At Video Shoot) 9:55

As far as I know, the only mixes I don't have are on the 10 Fac 123 acetate (The Perfect Kiss (Edit) 3:51 / The Kiss Of Death (Edit) 3:01). The New Order discography also mentions a 4:10 'Album Edit' of The Perfect Kiss from a Canadian DJ promo DJ 81/ DJF 159, but I'm assuming this is an incorrectly timed 4:48 or 4:24 edit.

These things don't half get complicated, do they?!

Andy.

Originally posted by Mr Discography Weren't the promos of The Perfect Kiss just on acetates or something? Never seen these on Ebay or in record stores... Would be interested to hear the sub-four-minute versions if anyone has them as decent mp3 files...

No, the 7" UK promo (FAC123-7) was issued in a regular black sleeve, the labels are black with "123" in big, white letters. This is the A side of that single:

I think I've seen that promo for sale on eBay.

I'm pretty sure that the 2x10" acetates, as mentioned in the Discography, are for the regular 7" release (FAC123).

To recap, the versions (and timings) of Perfect Kiss I have:[snip, snip]

I appreciate your anal attention to details, and corrections will be made to the Discography in the next revision (now approaching 150 new scans, several new items, more FAQish tibits, and a couple of fixes and clarifications).

As far as I know, the only mixes I don't have are on the 10 Fac 123 acetate (The Perfect Kiss (Edit) 3:51 / The Kiss Of Death (Edit) 3:01). The New Order discography also mentions a 4:10 'Album Edit' of The Perfect Kiss from a Canadian DJ promo DJ 81/ DJF 159, but I'm assuming this is an incorrectly timed 4:48 or 4:24 edit.

As I said, I believe the UK acetates are the same as the UK regular 7". I haven't checked the Canadian promo, so I don't have an answer. I've learned never to assume anything though... :) But you are missing the UK 7" promo edits (FAC123-7).

You are also missing the Lyntone 7LYN15645-1 metal testpress, which has an unreleased remix (in the Discgraphy called alternate remix, probably an edit of some sort). This information has been confirmed to me by the collector who owns it (one of the "old-timers"). Apparently this acetate/testpress is a one-of-a-kind pressing.

These things don't half get complicated, do they?!

Tell me about it.

/TLV

Originally posted by TLV > Originally posted by Mr Discography> Weren't the promos of The Perfect Kiss just on acetates or something? Never seen these on Ebay or in record stores... Would be interested to hear the sub-four-minute versions if anyone has them as decent mp3 files...

No, the 7" UK promo (FAC123-7) was issued in a regular black sleeve, the labels are black with "123" in big, white letters. This is the A side of that single:

God, how confusing: there's a Fac 123 seven inch and a Fac 123-7 seven inch! I'll have to track that little blighter down!

Andy.

Originally posted by Mr Discography By the way, don't forget to check out my New Order list for detailed chronoligal track information and my own, double-checked timings.

I saw your list of "New Order tracks not available on CD". I'm not sure you count releases that are CD-promo only, but here are some comments:

• 17 Confusion (Edit) 7" 3:38 From 'Confusion' German 7" Rough Trade LC 5661

Don't bother. That "edit" is just a fade of some common mix/edit (can't remember exactly which one). I did a check way back when I put my vinyl-only tracks onto DAT.

• 21 The Kiss Of Death 7" 5:10 From 'The Perfect Kiss' 7"
• 22 The Perfect Kiss 12" 8:46 From 'The Perfect Kiss' 12"
• 23 Perfect Pit 12" 1:23 From 'The Perfect Kiss' 12"
• 24 The Perfect Kiss (Live Version From The Perfect Kiss Video) 12" 5:13 From 'The Perfect Kiss' QWEST promo 12"

Well, if one is to believe that the 6xCDR Reprise promo, "Various Maxis and Singles" (put together for a possible another "best of" compilation), has tracks from the masters, which I'd think are digitized these days, then these tracks do exists on CD(R). I tend to believe that they are from the masters and not recorded off the vinyl. (The assumption here is that they call Perfect Pit for Perfect Kiss Dub Mix - there's already an instrumental.)

• 30 Sub-culture 12" 7:26 From 'Sub-culture' 12"
• 31 Dub-vulture 12" 7:56 From 'Sub-culture' 12"
• 41 Bizarre Love Triangle (Extended Edit) 7" 4:58 From American 7" Qwest PRO-A-2636
• 44 True Dub 12" 10:43 From 'True Faith' remix 12"

See TPK comment.

• 45 Fine Time 12" 4:43 From 'Fine Time' 12"

Isn't this on the CA CD5?

• 69 Someone Like You (Gabriel + Dresden Vocal Mix) 12" 11:13 From 'Someone Like You' double 12" set
• 70 Someone Like You (Futureshock Strip Down Mix) 12" 7:49 From 'Someone Like You' double 12" set
• 71 Someone Like You (Gabriel + Dresden Voco-tech Dub) 12" 11:10 From 'Someone Like You' double 12" set
• 72 Someone Like You (James Holden Heavy Dub) 12" 10:00 From 'Someone Like You' remix 12"

There is a US CDR promo with 69, 70, 71, and there is a Greek CDR promo with all the tracks. In addition, 69 and 71 have been serviced by the DJ service company Promo Only.

• 77 Confusion (Koma And Bones Version) 12" 8:11 From 'Confusion Remixes 02' 12" WACKT002

There is a 1-track CDR promo. Not sure if it's the full version or the shorter one...

Also, there is that 6xCDR pack from Reprise with tracks and remixes recorded from vinyl (including various 7"-only versions, X-mas flexi, Eschreamer mixes, and Rest Of remixes). But I'm not sure that they count as being "CD" versions...

/TLV

trainspotter alert

Originally posted by TLV I saw your list of "New Order tracks not available on CD". I'm not sure you count releases that are CD-promo only, but here are some comments:

• 17 Confusion (Edit) 7" 3:38 From 'Confusion' German 7" Rough Trade LC 5661

Don't bother. That "edit" is just a fade of some common mix/edit (can't remember exactly which one). I did a check way back when I put my vinyl-only tracks onto DAT.

It's a fade of the original seven inch version.

Well, if one is to believe that the 6xCDR Reprise promo, "Various Maxis and Singles" (put together for a possible another "best of" compilation), has tracks from the masters, which I'd think are digitized these days, then these tracks do exists on CD(R).

Well, yeah, they theoretically exist digitally, but I don't have £400 to blow on one of these rare promos! I don't personally count CD-Rs as being officially on CD, due to the fragility of the format.

• 45 Fine Time 12" 4:43 From 'Fine Time' 12"

Isn't this on the CA CD5?

No, I bought the Canadian CD single of Fine Time, and it's actually the seven inch mix on this format, although it's thhe only place you can get 'Fine Line' on CD. The 12" of Fine Time remains unreleased on CD, as it is slightly different to the Technique version.

There is a US CDR promo with 69, 70, 71, and there is a Greek CDR promo with all the tracks. In addition, 69 and 71 have been serviced by the DJ service company Promo Only.

• 77 Confusion (Koma And Bones Version) 12" 8:11 From 'Confusion Remixes 02' 12" WACKT002

There is a 1-track CDR promo. Not sure if it's the full version or the shorter one...

Also, there is that 6xCDR pack from Reprise with tracks and remixes recorded from vinyl (including various 7"-only versions, X-mas flexi, Eschreamer mixes, and Rest Of remixes). But I'm not sure that they count as being "CD" versions...

Again, CD-R promos are hard to find, expensive and have to be treated with care, so I only list "officially" released tracks in my vinyl only list.

Surely one day a box set will tie up some of these old vinyl-only tracks?

Andy.

who bought that reprise thing for £550 anyway? any chance of confirming if they are mastered from vinyl or not?