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Originally posted by 1.21 gigawatts?! > Originally posted by twist> Am I the only freak that likes Liar????????
Don't worry...there's "freaks" who like Movement, We All Stand, Every Little Counts, Angel Dust, Fine Time, Slow Jam, and Rock the Shack...even though we won't admit to it most of the time :p
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And I am one of those proud 'Freaks' who likes that entire list there 1.21...Especially We All Stand, that's a killer jam!!
I have to say it was the expectation and the dissapointment that had killed Republic for me. Imagine this: it's 1993, the war's calming down, I'd thought I'll never hear from New Order again and then the news breaks that they'll have a new single and a new album out ! My thoughts were "Great, war's over, New Order are back again, everything will be fine again". There is hope (no pun with the War Child compilation please). Then Regret comes out, it's likened do Ceremony by the people themselves, I love it , I can't wait to hear the album, it's out and most of it is useless. It could have been a PSB album with some gutars as well. The hope is gone. Now I know nothing's ever going to be fine. Of course, they don't bother to play live anywhere I could catch them either. I adnit there are some fine songs on the album as well, I like Special and Everyone, but I don't listen to the album at all. I assume they only released it because they had to release something. Not very fair to the listeners.
Well although SPOOKY was a bit lame compared to the remixes
i do ENJOY this album.Maybe it is because of my musical taste in liking the PET SHOP BOYS.I can understand NOOL's saying that there is too little BASS.But some brilliant tracks on here and i still play this quite a lot.It was over used as far as singles are concerened.But tracks like YOUNG OFFENDER,EVERYONE EVERYWHERE,LIAR,TIMES CHANgE and SPECIAL still mean a lot to me.Each to their own.The artwork is SUPERB aswell so no complaints here at the PLANET ROCKET.
Regards ROCKET MICK 
Indeed, each to their own :)
I find the irony somewhat amusing and TOTALLY "NewOrder'ish" that my favourite NewOrder song (SPECIAL) comes off arguably their weakest album. And arguably their strongest single (REGRET) does also!
.......... good point. Thing is obviously, as albums go it wasn't their best but I do like it y'know. I went into a record shop t'other day and spotting Republic on sale for £1.99, I asked shop manager why such a bargain basement price. He replied venemously "Because it's shit". I thought that was a bit cheeky . I don't listen to it that often but when I do I find me skipping a couple of tracks.
I've just never really thought about disliking it, i've just decided to not have an opinion on it. 
I've always liked Republic personally. I don't particularly like Liar all that much, but I have an aquired taste, I think Chemical is cool.. 
Someone mentioned Times Change too, it's so different that I have to like it.
Republic is almost as crap as Technique. It has the same number of genuinely good songs, but the bad songs on Republic are barely worse than the bad songs on Technique.
I doubt anyone will get my point (let alone agree with me), but when I said before I thought 'Republic' is a good album, I meant to see in the context of New Order's outcome alone. It's had to compare their output with anyone else's - though, ironically enough, if you're going to do it, I think 'Republic' is your album -, but if you only consider their history, then 'Republic' makes sense. I can understand why they made it this way - the sort of music they were listening to at the time, the mess they were having to put up with at the time, maybe even their need for a slightly more 'commercial' album, having just signed to London and maybe being up to their necks in debts, who knows? -, and seeing it through this particular light, I get to like it a bit more. It reveals a lot about them if you care to pay attention. And, quite frankly, 11 years later, when that sort of music it used to be likened to doesn't play as much anymore, it can stand out... I don't know. Or maybe this is all bollocks because I'm such a die-hard fan and I don't really want to admit NO have been able to come up with anything half-arsed. (But if you ask me, I'll tell you there isn't a single New Order track I don't like. Hell, just the other day I was tripping out of my head with 'An ideal for living'! :p )
A lot of people seem to be rating Republic based on now rather than what it sounded like in 93. I think when it came out it sounded EXACTLY like what NO should of sounded like 4 years after Technique. ...its better than anything else that came out around the same time. Remember this was released before britain went Oasis/Radiohead/Blur/Britpop crazy.:)
Originally posted by stEVErythings Gone Green I think when it (Republic) came out it sounded EXACTLY like what NO should of sounded like 4 years after Technique.
I have to disagree. Almost all of the band's releases prior to Republic had certain unique elements to them (Hooky's bass and great synth/acoustic combinations). Why should Republic have abandoned these? My opinion on this album has not changed since the day it was released.
I guess Shug will always have WIM and I will always have Republic.
Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope Republic is almost as crap as Technique. It has the same number of genuinely good songs, but the bad songs on Republic are barely worse than the bad songs on Technique.
How is Technique "crap"?
Originally posted by This blue-eyed boy that wants to be > Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope> Republic is almost as crap as Technique. It has the same number of genuinely good songs, but the bad songs on Republic are barely worse than the bad songs on Technique.
How is Technique "crap"?
Indeed, Republic in the same sentence as Technique...
Originally posted by 1.21 gigawatts?! > Originally posted by This blue-eyed boy that wants to be> > > > Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope> > Republic is almost as crap as Technique. It has the same number of genuinely good songs, but the bad songs on Republic are barely worse than the bad songs on Technique.>
How is Technique "crap"?
Indeed, Republic in the same sentence as Technique...
Someone has some serious issues here 1.21!!...
Originally posted by Andy Technique is to Abbey Road what Republic is to Let it Be.
'Technique' is my favourite NO album, together with 'PCL'. I can understand when people say 'Republic' is their natural progression after 'Technique' (which I don't really agree with), meaning that there's some sort of struggle to become slightly more commercial from 'Brotherhood' to 'Technique', which was fully achieved with 'Republic', and I also agree that the main problem with 'Republic' is the absence of acoustic tracks. But then again, this is exactly what I was referring to: I began liking 'Republic' more when I found out the acoustic tracks were there, only studio work made them sound so incredibly electronic - Hooky plays bass on "World", "Ruined in a day", etc, but you can't hear it because he's playing "proper" basslines.
But the Beatles comparison I didn't get. And can you actually say (whether you like them or not) that there's a Beatles album that is not good?
Originally posted by FAC442 > Originally posted by Andy> Technique is to Abbey Road what Republic is to Let it Be.
But the Beatles comparison I didn't get. And can you actually say (whether you like them or not) that there's a Beatles album that is not good?
There are decent songs on Let it Be, but the Beatles interpersonal relationships were at their worst. A producer (Phil Spector) put a bit too much of his own spin on the the recordings losing a bit of the group's identity. That's why they recently reissued what they feel is the "proper" version of Let it Be.
Many fans like Republic and lot's of people like Let it Be but neither show the bands at their best.
Oh, and PCL is to Revolver as Low-Life is to Sgt.Pepper!
Originally posted by Sir CHUNKS > Originally posted by 1.21 gigawatts?!> > > > Originally posted by This blue-eyed boy that wants to be> > > > > > > Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope> > > Republic is almost as crap as Technique. It has the same number of genuinely good songs, but the bad songs on Republic are barely worse than the bad songs on Technique.> > >
How is Technique "crap"?
Indeed, Republic in the same sentence as Technique...
Someone has some serious issues here 1.21!!...
All I'm saying is that Technique is close to perfection, and Republic is just ok at best...hard to compare
Originally posted by Aleph > Originally posted by Sir CHUNKS > Originally posted by 1.21 gigawatts?!> > > > Originally posted by This blue-eyed boy that wants to be> > > > > > > Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope> > > Republic is almost as crap as Technique. It has the same number of genuinely good songs, but the bad songs on Republic are barely worse than the bad songs on Technique.> > >
How is Technique "crap"?
Indeed, Republic in the same sentence as Technique...
Someone has some serious issues here 1.21!!...
All I'm saying is that Technique is close to perfection, and Republic is just ok at best...hard to compare
I'll go with that there 1.21...forgive me and my madness...I was still twitching and convulsing over the whole Republic debacle!!!
Originally posted by Sir CHUNKS > Originally posted by Aleph> > > > Originally posted by Sir CHUNKS> > Originally posted by 1.21 gigawatts?!> > > > Originally posted by This blue-eyed boy that wants to be> > > > > > > Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope> > > Republic is almost as crap as Technique. It has the same number of genuinely good songs, but the bad songs on Republic are barely worse than the bad songs on Technique.> > >
How is Technique "crap"?
Indeed, Republic in the same sentence as Technique...
Someone has some serious issues here 1.21!!...
All I'm saying is that Technique is close to perfection, and Republic is just ok at best...hard to compare
I'll go with that there 1.21...forgive me and my madness...I was still twitching and convulsing over the whole Republic debacle!!!
Serenity now. Serenity now.
Originally posted by Andy > Originally posted by FAC442> > > > Originally posted by Andy> > Technique is to Abbey Road what Republic is to Let it Be.>
But the Beatles comparison I didn't get. And can you actually say (whether you like them or not) that there's a Beatles album that is not good?
There are decent songs on Let it Be, but the Beatles interpersonal relationships were at their worst. A producer (Phil Spector) put a bit too much of his own spin on the the recordings losing a bit of the group's identity. That's why they recently reissued what they feel is the "proper" version of Let it Be.
Many fans like Republic and lot's of people like Let it Be but neither show the bands at their best.
Oh, and PCL is to Revolver as Low-Life is to Sgt.Pepper!
Dunno... I've always like Let it be, even more so now that ...Naked! has come out, but I see your point, and I agree with you. So on the PLC/Revolver bit. But not Sgt Peppers! For me, that is the low point of the Beatles and no mistake! Low-life's too sublime for this.
Originally posted by FAC442 Too much of one certain Sir James Paul McCartney, if you ask me!
you are mistaken about that, 442....it's "Sir Prick" 
Originally posted by This blue-eyed boy that wants to be > Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope> Republic is almost as crap as Technique. It has the same number of genuinely good songs, but the bad songs on Republic are barely worse than the bad songs on Technique.
How is Technique "crap"? Have you listened to it? Round and Round, Run, Vanishing Point, and Dream Attack are the only good songs on it. The rest are either disreputable shit (i.e., Fine Time) or yawnable songs that don't stand out (i.e., the rest, whose names I can't even remember).
Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope > Originally posted by This blue-eyed boy that wants to be> > > > Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope> > Republic is almost as crap as Technique. It has the same number of genuinely good songs, but the bad songs on Republic are barely worse than the bad songs on Technique.>
How is Technique "crap"? Have you listened to it? Round and Round, Run, Vanishing Point, and Dream Attack are the only good songs on it. The rest are either disreputable shit (i.e., Fine Time) or yawnable songs that don't stand out (i.e., the rest, whose names I can't even remember).
Four masterpieces does not make an album "crap" IMHO, even if the rest are pisstakes on The Cure :p
Originally posted by Aleph > Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope> > > > Originally posted by This blue-eyed boy that wants to be> > > > > > > Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope> > > Republic is almost as crap as Technique. It has the same number of genuinely good songs, but the bad songs on Republic are barely worse than the bad songs on Technique.> > >
How is Technique "crap"? Have you listened to it? Round and Round, Run, Vanishing Point, and Dream Attack are the only good songs on it. The rest are either disreputable shit (i.e., Fine Time) or yawnable songs that don't stand out (i.e., the rest, whose names I can't even remember).
Four masterpieces does not make an album "crap" IMHO, even if the rest are pisstakes on The Cure :p Vanishing Point is the only one I'd consider a masterpiece, then Run is close, then Dream Attack, and finally Round and Round. Damn that Cult of Technique.
Originally posted by aneworderfan Mr. Disco! Guilty Partner! And yes, Fine Time is great too! Check your ears!
Sorry to disagree with you, but those are all crap. Low Life is a much more solid album.
Technique is a gem my son, and recorded when they were in invincible form. The energy and enthusiasm of the album shows just what a great time they were having when it was recorded.
Its a stone cold classic and is quite possibly the finest and most skillful work they will ever achieve.
And thats me saying that when its not even my favourite album!! You just got to hold your hands up and admit its a musical masterpiece.
