Who's producing the new album?

Have they picked a producer for the new album? Steve Osborne? Arthur Baker? New Order? If they haven't picked a producer we're still at least 6 months from the first single coming out right?

I had heard it was Stephen Hague again.

Where did you hear that? Radio program, magazine, inside source? Stephen Hague would be a step backwards as far as i'm concerned.

I liked hagues work. the republic sessions must have been a right pain in the arse. true faith is my favourite new order song. beats anything even off technique or j div!

I've read they're still trying various producers.

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They're trying producers to choose one, I think I've read names somewhere but I can't be sure anymore, can't find the page now... anyway I think Hague would be unlikely, while Osborne would have more chances...

i remember reading hooky say that barney and steve osbourne had a lot of rows during the making of GR so he could be out of the running?? i'd like it to be arthur baker personally

Arther Baker would be interesting, I like his influence.

personally i think they produce themselves better than any of the others ive heard,although they have said on a few occasions they would like to work with david bowie on production. and tbh im quite suprised it hasnt happened but who knows maybe one day eh?.

they should snag the chemical brothers after the success of 'here to stay.' i mean, it was better than anything on "get ready."

"Here to stay" was successful? I don't know anybody other than people on this site who even know New Order still makes music. Also, the Chemical Brothers have fallen from grace a bit, their last album sucked and their new single doesn't do it for me either, even with K-OS guesting on it. (I think it's K-OS) At any rate, maybe 5 years ago the Chemical Brothers would have been a good idea, and I love them to death, they will be awesome again but not through New Order and vice versa.

Originally posted by Jackson Withrow "Here to stay" was successful? I don't know anybody other than people on this site who even know New Order still makes music. Also, the Chemical Brothers have fallen from grace a bit, their last album sucked and their new single doesn't do it for me either, even with K-OS guesting on it. (I think it's K-OS) At any rate, maybe 5 years ago the Chemical Brothers would have been a good idea, and I love them to death, they will be awesome again but not through New Order and vice versa.

Sorry, I didn't mean successful chartwise--just musically, and that's all that really matters. Therefore, the Chemical Brothers are my choice, regardless of what their own work has been like of late.

They do need a producer, otherwise there would probably be too much friction within the band... of course I love Arthur Baker, but we know they want to keep a darker rock sound, which would recall Joy Division. I'd really like them to work with Chris Nagle (Hannett's engineer), after the excellent job he did with Gabrielles Wish, it would certainly be Hooky's joy, thinking about Nagle's amazing bass treatment, while maybe Barney's too lazy to play guitar like Nagle would want. Steve is ready, he's still the human drum machine. It may be just too hard to work with him, he's not an easy person... as you can read on Nick Harris' article on the site Gabrielles Wish nicknamed him Darth Vader... he's a genius though...

For the new album, I'd like either a) a 20-track 2CD soundscape behemoth which takes in everything from icy techno to old-skool Manc grimness, or b) a 'bash it out in a week' sketchbook.

Or both would do.

For a) Trevor Horn is yer man. They could produce b) themselves.

i think people here are really saing what kind of album they want the next one to be.

Hooky "it was great having steve osbourne in the studio, cause he could take all the flack"

does he mean off bernard so?

if they are returning to a jd sound, then (much as id love to see it) baker is out. on the up side, he still seems to be mates with them. I dunno. Knowing Neworder, theyll surprise us

Originally posted by Spotnick I'd also love the Chemical Brothers to produce a full album, but since the album is said to be guitar oriented and back to the JD days, I don't think it would be easy.But you know, they still produce themselves even if they hire a producer.. just check Run Wild, that's pure Bernard, and you have Steve Osbourne's mix on Retro...I'd personally be curious to see what Moby could do ;)

Nic, I'll tell you what Moby can do - he can FUCK RIGHT OFF, THE POMPOUS LITTLE BALDY TWAT!!!

I'd forget all about The Chemical Brothers, Osbourne, Hague, Baker etc if I was NO. Only Baker has the talent to bring anything more than a generic template sound to NO's music, but I'd worry that he would date it - y'know - mid- 80's *thick* beats and all that. They should work with someone new and unexpected or do it themselves.

Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by Jackson Withrow> I don't know anybody other than people on this site who even know New Order still makes music.

That would be because you live in Canada.

Or because you really need to get out more?!

Maybe because I am Canadian, but New Order is pretty popular here, just not their new stuff. British bands are huge here. Coldplay, Doves, Depeche Mode...jesus even Dave Gahan's solo album made a bigger splash than Get Ready. (I love Dave but Paper Monsters was not very good)

You know what, New Order easily has the talent to make a huge dent in North American sales but production and promotion are going to need some work and I think Arther Baker would be the man for the production end of the job. I will admit, one could do a lot worse than the Chemical Brothers.

I'm pretty sure it was Stephen Hague's name I read, but it was on the PopBitch website so take it with a pinch of salt.

fwiw I thought the Chemical Bros last album was pretty good and they're in tune with what NO are about eg their live version of Temptation that leads into Star Guitar, but they're not suited to a guitar-based sound.

Originally posted by Al Jarvis Mick, maybe it's just me but I'm sensing a common theme running through your posts here. Do you like Gab's Wish?!

*Eh eh sorry... yes! :D I'm obsessed with them as with New Order (well, almost), who pop up in my posts on other forums like Gabrielles Wish do here. With them it's more serious because New Order have had success but GW haven't at all and I feel it as a huge injustice. Add the fact I have the privilege to serve my (technically) poor efforts for their site and you get a very ill fan. Anyway here it was just I thought at Chris Nagle for New Order and so it was obvious to mention his finest work as a producer. If you imagine the varied sounds of songs like Simple, Mary Bobbins, Blow Job, Hood or Get Up applied to New Order's music, well it's really exciting... it could sound like a more evolved version of Movement (where he was the sound engineer)...

Originally posted by DC I'd forget all about The Chemical Brothers, Osbourne, Hague, Baker etc if I was NO. Only Baker has the talent to bring anything more than a generic template sound to NO's music, but I'd worry that he would date it - y'know - mid- 80's *thick* beats and all that.

*I don't think so, he worked with them on Behind Closed Doors and it doesn't sound like dated 80s electro at all...

Originally posted by almanso > Originally posted by Mick Aneworderfan Originally posted by DCI'd forget all about The Chemical Brothers, Osbourne, Hague, Baker etc if I was NO. Only Baker has the talent to bring anything more than a generic template sound to NO's music, but I'd worry that he would date it - y'know - mid- 80's *thick* beats and all that. *I don't think so, he worked with them on Behind Closed Doors and it doesn't sound like dated 80s electro at all...

and don´t forget Twisted Tenderness. you could like it or not but certainly it doesn´t sound dated at all.

Yeah with New Order, you might was to utilize their 20+ year history which includes the use of beats/synths and that doesn't make it 80s-ish. You see after convincing my friends that New Order was still a band and to listen to Get Ready (kidding, sort of) their complaint was that it didn't sound like New Order. Going to a total 80s style would be stupid but I dunno, I still think Arther Baker might be just the right answer, especially for getting them a bit more on the radio and what not.

I didn't know that about Behind Closed Doors, interesting, and not a bad direction to take (obviously album tracks would be better overall than Behind Closed Doors)

i agree BCD was a great track. i know what you mean though, some other remixes sound bad. but then they are remixes.

personally i'd like to see Danny Sabre take a shot (produced black grapes second album). It may work or it may not.

Originally posted by One Brain > Originally posted by Spotnick> Ricardo, euh hum... Brian Eno ?

I was actually going to say that, just for fun. I just can't imagine Eno working with New Order.

Why not?

He worked plenty of studio magic with James and they're not leagues away from New Order in stature or style.

The 'Eno to produce New Order' debate has been simmering for years on NO lists, with many fans seemingly offended by the prospect. At this stage of their career and with the sound they're aiming for, I for one would be very interested to hear what Eno could throw into the mix.

When you're debating producers, surely the defining factor is NO's musical direction. Word is that it's going to be stripped back and rockier. This will doubtless appeal to some fans, disappoint others and would suggest that producers like Hague or the Chemicals are less likely to be approached.

If Gillian was back with her keyboards and Steve was willing to dump his kit for the PC, I'd like to see them go out on a limb with someone like Layo & Bushwacka, James Lavelle or Dave Clarke. Even for a few tracks.

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Originally posted by Mick Aneworderfan Originally posted by Al Jarvis Mick, maybe it's just me but I'm sensing a common theme running through your posts here. Do you like Gab's Wish?!

*Eh eh sorry... yes! :D I'm obsessed with them as with New Order (well, almost), who pop up in my posts on other forums like Gabrielles Wish do here. With them it's more serious because New Order have had success but GW haven't at all and I feel it as a huge injustice. Add the fact I have the privilege to serve my (technically) poor efforts for their site and you get a very ill fan. Anyway here it was just I thought at Chris Nagle for New Order and so it was obvious to mention his finest work as a producer. If you imagine the varied sounds of songs like Simple, Mary Bobbins, Blow Job, Hood or Get Up applied to New Order's music, well it's really exciting... it could sound like a more evolved version of Movement (where he was the sound engineer)...

1. The Wish are pish, third-rate who just happen to come from the same town.

2. Chris Nagle has worked with the band before - sound engineer on Closer, wasn't he ?

1. If you can't be touched by the songs I mentioned above, it's your problem, really. No other band has made music like that in the last 10 years. It's useless even explaining, if you don't get those songs you're hopeless.

2. I think Chris Nagle was always Martin Hannett's sound engineer and worked with him on all the records of that post-punk period. I'm sure he's on Joy Division's albums too. And you can just hear it with Gabrielles Wish. If you can't, your loss.

Originally posted by Spotnick Problem with Mr Baker, is that his work DOES sound dated, Confusion is probably *THE* most dated New Order track, they had to release versions in 1987-1990-1995-2003 to make it "up to date"...

*Yes but the first version is still the best! Sounding dated, but of its time, is not a problem. The problem is all the records sounding dated which are made today by almost every band around. With dance music too, half of todays stuff sounds like early 80s electro, now that's wrong, though it means Baker's sound is not so dated after all, if todays artists are so much influenced they actually imitate it, even if with much inferior results. Also when Baker worked again with New Order he didn't try at all to resurrect that glorious but dated sound.

Originally posted by Mick Aneworderfan 1) If you can't be touched by the songs I mentioned above, it's your problem, really. No other band has made music like that in the last 10 years. It's useless even explaining, if you don't get those songs you're hopeless.2) I think Chris Nagle was always Martin Hannett's sound engineer and worked with him on all the records of that post-punk period. I'm sure he's on Joy Division's albums too. And you can just hear it with Gabrielles Wish. If you can't, your loss.

1. I don't have to like something just because you say so, you know ! I am allowed to make my own decisions on music, and the fact that I don't heat anything I like in Gabrielle's Wish should be irrelevant to you. I ain't gonna lose any sleep over it.....

2. Closer was a Joy Division album.....too.....

I hate that whole Osborne/Oakenfold thing,its just as dated as Baker is. Just cos someone did something for them in the past doesnt mean they should do it again. they need someone who understands where they wanna go-not where they come from. i think they should work with someone who could do the remixes aswell,maybe Leftfield or Orbital?

.... and these are the days we wish Mr Hannett was still with us!

Originally posted by Slippy .... and these are the days we wish Mr Hannett was still with us!

Or do we ? Maybe I'm in a minority, but he overstayed his welcome after Unknown Pleasures. He was unable (through drugs) do do half of Closer properly, and you've only got to listen to Movement to see what a negative effect his "clever" production could have on intrinsically good tracks.

I think closer was one of the finest produced albums ever. movement on the other hand........ well, you have a point there.

i think a shiney new producer who hasnt worked with them would be the best thing. new order are unlikely to revisit their 80s sound (or try and cash in on it), i think thats why we like them.

Originally posted by steve52 I hate that whole Osborne/Oakenfold thing,its just as dated as Baker is. Just cos someone did something for them in the past doesnt mean they should do it again. they need someone who understands where they wanna go-not where they come from. i think they should work with someone who could do the remixes aswell,maybe Leftfield or Orbital?

Eh? For that whole early- to mid-90s techno vibe???!?!?!?

Originally posted by Doctor Clayhead > Originally posted by steve52> I hate that whole Osborne/Oakenfold thing,its just as dated as Baker is. Just cos someone did something for them in the past doesnt mean they should do it again. they need someone who understands where they wanna go-not where they come from. i think they should work with someone who could do the remixes aswell,maybe Leftfield or Orbital?

Eh? For that whole early- to mid-90s techno vibe???!?!?!?

Leftfield did actuallty split up a while back but I'd sooner see Leftfield than fookin Osbourne, he's shite.

How about William Orbit?

Originally posted by nearly there I think closer was one of the finest produced albums ever.

Some of it maybe, not so much side 1 though. Side 2 is pretty flawless, but apart from Passover, side 1 doesn't do the songs justice (based on the way the band themselves arranged them for live performance, the true barometer of how they envisaged them).

hmmmm. I disagree. I cant see 1 under or over produced song on that album. its hannetts finest work in my opinion, the mixing is particularly fine. i think its better produced than unknown pleasures. so much more subtle. the songs are better too.

i only have about 4 gigs of joy division from the period of closer, so i cant compare song with album version as well as you mr known pleasures :(

Originally posted by Detweiler Or do we ? Maybe I'm in a minority, but he overstayed his welcome after Unknown Pleasures. He was unable (through drugs) do do half of Closer properly, and you've only got to listen to Movement to see what a negative effect his "clever" production could have on intrinsically good tracks.

*I quite like that production too, though sometimes too dark, but that's also because of the songs... the songs on those albums are much more gothic than Unknown Pleasures. Anyway it's true he couldn't work properly because of drugs, I know Chris Nagle did more than just engineering Closer, he also worked on production when Hannett was too fucked up. Shame he became so similar to his master 15 years later... Some of the work on the last stuff produced for Gabrielles Wish had to be made by Nick Harris for about the same reason... BUT if he's cleaned up a bit I'd still like to hear what he can do producing New Order.

Originally posted by Detweiler

1. I don't have to like something just because you say so, you know !

*Of course, that's why I won't waste time explaining you what you're missing, also because if you don't like those songs, you'll never like the rest (except if you may like their ambient tracks like Manchester Suite), so your loss, not mine. We were saying the same thing with different words.

2. Closer was a Joy Division album.....too.....

*I know, never said it isn't. :D

i think the chemical brothers are capable of producing a guitar-based album. they're not all plinkety-plonk, and i think they could do some great things with the order's sound.

I`ve already had one opinion,but maybe they should go to the extreme & hire say,Dr Dre or Timbaland...

Just droppin’ some names:

Rick Rubin? (Johnny Cash, Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Mars Volta and many, many others) Jim Abbiss? (The Music) Rich Costey? (Muse) Dan Austin? (The Cooper Temple Clause) Ben Hillier? (Elbow)

Anyone of them up to the job? What do you people think?

They'd do a lot worse than get Zoesch to produce it.

Originally posted by Vulture Just droppin’ some names:Rick Rubin? (Johnny Cash, Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Mars Volta and many, many others)Jim Abbiss? (The Music)Rich Costey? (Muse)Dan Austin? (The Cooper Temple Clause)Ben Hillier? (Elbow)Anyone of them up to the job? What do you people think?

Although I still thing Arther Baker would be best suited, Rick Rubin would be another great choice, the type of balance between mainstream and artistry that often gives New Order its flavour.

Good ideas there ( The Music had a good album but I'm not familliar with that producers other work)

OK - tongue in cheek here a little, but I really like the idea of Steve Albini producing them

Personally I was really disappointed with Get Ready, it wasn't a particularly BAD album but I'm just not into this lame guitar-rock stuff. There's nothing cutting edge about New Order anymore... Steve Osborne is generally a dance music producer but there was nothing particularly 'techno-ish' on Get Ready. I'd love them to release an album of excellent cutting edge dance music but somehow I can't see it happening, I can see disappoint on the horizon!

Originally posted by Species Diversity Man OK - tongue in cheek here a little, but I really like the idea of Steve Albini producing them

hell, what an idea! just imagine that guitar sound! they later can have lots of remixes to serve the dancecrowd, but for a whole album i think dance-stuff is really dated.

now i dream of brotherhood, produced by albini.

sales would go down, but imagine the credibility.

Personally, I'd pick the DFA; not only do they seem to be the new "thing" at the moment, but they also seem to work well with both guitars and electronics.

Heck, the Rapture song "I Need Your Love" steals a keyboard line from Blue Monday, anyway...

wim has a similar thread. also- someone over there claims to have met peter and bernard in a club in bath where they are apparantely recording.

Jim Abbiss? (The Music)

Good ideas there ( The Music had a good album but I'm not familliar with that producers other work)

Well, Abiss has also worked with Placebo on their last album and with UNKLE and DJ Shadow.

Originally posted by The Man Up North I would like Robert Smith to produce.

But that won't happen just because The Cure are putting the final touch to their own album and will be going on a World Tour this summer.

Other interesting choices would be Rollo, Moby and the Pet Shop Boys.

All these persons can manage both keyboard and guitar sounds.

what does the PSB production portfolio look like? i had no idea that they produced anything...

i'd like to see a flood/alan moulder team up. dark guitar and dense, rhythmic sequences.

then again, alan wilder lended a big hand when working with flood when dM was incorporating live drums. and wilder isn't doing much these days except drinking and recording at home for his recoil project anyway. that would be an interesting match.

while reading this thread i actually thought of Steve Albini I mean you want a raw sound? he will get it the other name I was thinking would be Nick Launey or for real fun Mark E Smith

Originally posted by Ian Pillar or for real fun Mark E Smith

a-ha! i think you've got the winning pick!!

i clearly remember the blur remix but other than that, i figured that since there are more people credited with sequece programming on their recent albums than there are songs, that they'd washed their hands of the technical stuff... though, don't get me wrong, i still love 'em.