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Originally posted by Mr Ben i agree BCD was a great track. i know what you mean though, some other remixes sound bad. but then they are remixes.personally i'd like to see Danny Sabre take a shot (produced black grapes second album). It may work or it may not.
Problem with Mr Baker, is that his work DOES sound dated, Confusion is probably *THE* most dated New Order track, they had to release versions in 1987-1990-1995-2003 to make it "up to date"...
Originally posted by One Brain > Originally posted by Spotnick> Ricardo, euh hum... Brian Eno ?
I was actually going to say that, just for fun. I just can't imagine Eno working with New Order.
Why not?
He worked plenty of studio magic with James and they're not leagues away from New Order in stature or style.
The 'Eno to produce New Order' debate has been simmering for years on NO lists, with many fans seemingly offended by the prospect. At this stage of their career and with the sound they're aiming for, I for one would be very interested to hear what Eno could throw into the mix.
When you're debating producers, surely the defining factor is NO's musical direction. Word is that it's going to be stripped back and rockier. This will doubtless appeal to some fans, disappoint others and would suggest that producers like Hague or the Chemicals are less likely to be approached.
If Gillian was back with her keyboards and Steve was willing to dump his kit for the PC, I'd like to see them go out on a limb with someone like Layo & Bushwacka, James Lavelle or Dave Clarke. Even for a few tracks.
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Originally posted by Mick Aneworderfan Originally posted by Al Jarvis Mick, maybe it's just me but I'm sensing a common theme running through your posts here. Do you like Gab's Wish?!
*Eh eh sorry... yes! :D I'm obsessed with them as with New Order (well, almost), who pop up in my posts on other forums like Gabrielles Wish do here. With them it's more serious because New Order have had success but GW haven't at all and I feel it as a huge injustice. Add the fact I have the privilege to serve my (technically) poor efforts for their site and you get a very ill fan.
Anyway here it was just I thought at Chris Nagle for New Order and so it was obvious to mention his finest work as a producer. If you imagine the varied sounds of songs like Simple, Mary Bobbins, Blow Job, Hood or Get Up applied to New Order's music, well it's really exciting... it could sound like a more evolved version of Movement (where he was the sound engineer)...
The Wish are pish, third-rate who just happen to come from the same town.
Chris Nagle has worked with the band before - sound engineer on Closer, wasn't he ?
If you can't be touched by the songs I mentioned above, it's your problem, really. No other band has made music like that in the last 10 years. It's useless even explaining, if you don't get those songs you're hopeless.
I think Chris Nagle was always Martin Hannett's sound engineer and worked with him on all the records of that post-punk period. I'm sure he's on Joy Division's albums too. And you can just hear it with Gabrielles Wish. If you can't, your loss.
Originally posted by Spotnick Problem with Mr Baker, is that his work DOES sound dated, Confusion is probably *THE* most dated New Order track, they had to release versions in 1987-1990-1995-2003 to make it "up to date"...
*Yes but the first version is still the best! Sounding dated, but of its time, is not a problem. The problem is all the records sounding dated which are made today by almost every band around. With dance music too, half of todays stuff sounds like early 80s electro, now that's wrong, though it means Baker's sound is not so dated after all, if todays artists are so much influenced they actually imitate it, even if with much inferior results. Also when Baker worked again with New Order he didn't try at all to resurrect that glorious but dated sound.
Originally posted by Mick Aneworderfan 1) If you can't be touched by the songs I mentioned above, it's your problem, really. No other band has made music like that in the last 10 years. It's useless even explaining, if you don't get those songs you're hopeless.2) I think Chris Nagle was always Martin Hannett's sound engineer and worked with him on all the records of that post-punk period. I'm sure he's on Joy Division's albums too. And you can just hear it with Gabrielles Wish. If you can't, your loss.
I don't have to like something just because you say so, you know ! I am allowed to make my own decisions on music, and the fact that I don't heat anything I like in Gabrielle's Wish should be irrelevant to you. I ain't gonna lose any sleep over it.....
Closer was a Joy Division album.....too.....
I hate that whole Osborne/Oakenfold thing,its just as dated as Baker is. Just cos someone did something for them in the past doesnt mean they should do it again. they need someone who understands where they wanna go-not where they come from. i think they should work with someone who could do the remixes aswell,maybe Leftfield or Orbital?
Originally posted by Slippy .... and these are the days we wish Mr Hannett was still with us!
Or do we ? Maybe I'm in a minority, but he overstayed his welcome after Unknown Pleasures. He was unable (through drugs) do do half of Closer properly, and you've only got to listen to Movement to see what a negative effect his "clever" production could have on intrinsically good tracks.
I think closer was one of the finest produced albums ever. movement on the other hand........
well, you have a point there.
i think a shiney new producer who hasnt worked with them would be the best thing. new order are unlikely to revisit their 80s sound (or try and cash in on it), i think thats why we like them.
Originally posted by steve52 I hate that whole Osborne/Oakenfold thing,its just as dated as Baker is. Just cos someone did something for them in the past doesnt mean they should do it again. they need someone who understands where they wanna go-not where they come from. i think they should work with someone who could do the remixes aswell,maybe Leftfield or Orbital?
Eh? For that whole early- to mid-90s techno vibe???!?!?!?
Originally posted by depthcharge > Originally posted by One Brain> > > > Originally posted by Spotnick> > Ricardo, euh hum... Brian Eno ?>
I was actually going to say that, just for fun. I just can't imagine Eno working with New Order.
Why not? Well, Brian Eno is very keyboard oriented and it could be good for New Order, but... Eno's way of working doesn't seem to be compatible with them. Quoting Eno himself from Wired magazine: "To not meet a deadline for me is sort of an internal failure of the whole work. I feel I haven't done it right. And I really expect everyone I work with to meet deadlines."
Can you see why it's not going to work? 
Originally posted by Doctor Clayhead > Originally posted by steve52> I hate that whole Osborne/Oakenfold thing,its just as dated as Baker is. Just cos someone did something for them in the past doesnt mean they should do it again. they need someone who understands where they wanna go-not where they come from. i think they should work with someone who could do the remixes aswell,maybe Leftfield or Orbital?
Eh? For that whole early- to mid-90s techno vibe???!?!?!?
Leftfield did actuallty split up a while back but I'd sooner see Leftfield than fookin Osbourne, he's shite.
How about William Orbit?
Originally posted by nearly there I think closer was one of the finest produced albums ever.
Some of it maybe, not so much side 1 though. Side 2 is pretty flawless, but apart from Passover, side 1 doesn't do the songs justice (based on the way the band themselves arranged them for live performance, the true barometer of how they envisaged them).
hmmmm. I disagree. I cant see 1 under or over produced song on that album. its hannetts finest work in my opinion, the mixing is particularly fine. i think its better produced than unknown pleasures. so much more subtle. the songs are better too.
i only have about 4 gigs of joy division from the period of closer, so i cant compare song with album version as well as you mr known pleasures :(
Originally posted by Detweiler Or do we ? Maybe I'm in a minority, but he overstayed his welcome after Unknown Pleasures. He was unable (through drugs) do do half of Closer properly, and you've only got to listen to Movement to see what a negative effect his "clever" production could have on intrinsically good tracks.
*I quite like that production too, though sometimes too dark, but that's also because of the songs... the songs on those albums are much more gothic than Unknown Pleasures. Anyway it's true he couldn't work properly because of drugs, I know Chris Nagle did more than just engineering Closer, he also worked on production when Hannett was too fucked up. Shame he became so similar to his master 15 years later... Some of the work on the last stuff produced for Gabrielles Wish had to be made by Nick Harris for about the same reason... BUT if he's cleaned up a bit I'd still like to hear what he can do producing New Order.
Originally posted by Detweiler
*Of course, that's why I won't waste time explaining you what you're missing, also because if you don't like those songs, you'll never like the rest (except if you may like their ambient tracks like Manchester Suite), so your loss, not mine. We were saying the same thing with different words.
*I know, never said it isn't. :D
How about Flood? ;)
Enigmatic yet ubiquitous, Flood was among the most acclaimed British producers of the post-punk era, his extensive output including albums by U2, Depeche Mode and the Smashing Pumpkins. Born Mark Ellis (he reportedly acquired the name Flood as a result of his habit of spilling tea in the studio), his music career began playing bass in the mod revival band the Lambrettas; concurrently he accepted a job as a runner in a London recording facility, swiftly moving up through the ranks to become the house engineer. From there he went freelance, scoring his first major credit as an assistant engineer on New Order's 1981 debut album Movement. Work with Soft Cell, Psychic TV, Cabaret Voltaire and the Associates followed before Flood moved into production, helming records from Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds (The Firstborn Is Dead, Kicking Against the Pricks) and Erasure (Wonderland and The Circus). Flood's affiliation with U2 began in 1987 when he engineered the group's blockbuster Joshua Tree album. His subsequent production work — on records including Nine Inch Nails' Pretty Hate Machine, Depeche Mode's Violator and Pop Will Eat Itself's This Is the Day, This Is the Hour, This Is This — further honed his hard-edged, signature electronic sound. In between engineering U2's Achtung Baby LP, Flood produced Nitzer Ebb's Ebbhead and the Charlatans' Between 10th and 11th, followed by Curve's acclaimed Doppelganger. Finally, with 1993's Zooropa, he graduated from engineering U2 to producing the group, sharing his duties with Brian Eno. Depeche Mode's Songs of Faith and Devotion followed a year later, and in 1995 Flood helmed two of the year's most talked-about releases, PJ Harvey's To Bring You My Love and Smashing Pumpkins' epic Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness. He resurfaced in 1997 with U2's Pop.
i think the chemical brothers are capable of producing a guitar-based album. they're not all plinkety-plonk, and i think they could do some great things with the order's sound.
I`ve already had one opinion,but maybe they should go to the extreme & hire say,Dr Dre or Timbaland...
Just droppin’ some names:
Rick Rubin? (Johnny Cash, Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Mars Volta and many, many others) Jim Abbiss? (The Music) Rich Costey? (Muse) Dan Austin? (The Cooper Temple Clause) Ben Hillier? (Elbow)
Anyone of them up to the job? What do you people think?
Originally posted by Vulture Just droppin’ some names:Rick Rubin? (Johnny Cash, Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Mars Volta and many, many others)Jim Abbiss? (The Music)Rich Costey? (Muse)Dan Austin? (The Cooper Temple Clause)Ben Hillier? (Elbow)Anyone of them up to the job? What do you people think?
Although I still thing Arther Baker would be best suited, Rick Rubin would be another great choice, the type of balance between mainstream and artistry that often gives New Order its flavour.
Good ideas there ( The Music had a good album but I'm not familliar with that producers other work)
OK - tongue in cheek here a little, but I really like the idea of Steve Albini producing them
I would like Robert Smith to produce.
But that won't happen just because The Cure are putting the final touch to their own album and will be going on a World Tour this summer.
Other interesting choices would be Rollo, Moby and the Pet Shop Boys.
All these persons can manage both keyboard and guitar sounds.
Personally I was really disappointed with Get Ready, it wasn't a particularly BAD album but I'm just not into this lame guitar-rock stuff. There's nothing cutting edge about New Order anymore... Steve Osborne is generally a dance music producer but there was nothing particularly 'techno-ish' on Get Ready. 
I'd love them to release an album of excellent cutting edge dance music but somehow I can't see it happening, I can see disappoint on the horizon!
Originally posted by Species Diversity Man OK - tongue in cheek here a little, but I really like the idea of Steve Albini producing them
hell, what an idea! just imagine that guitar sound! they later can have lots of remixes to serve the dancecrowd, but for a whole album i think dance-stuff is really dated.
now i dream of brotherhood, produced by albini.
sales would go down, but imagine the credibility.
Personally, I'd pick the DFA; not only do they seem to be the new "thing" at the moment, but they also seem to work well with both guitars and electronics.
Heck, the Rapture song "I Need Your Love" steals a keyboard line from Blue Monday, anyway...
wim has a similar thread. also- someone over there claims to have met peter and bernard in a club in bath where they are apparantely recording.
