(no) New Order!

I was watching 24 Hour Party People again the other day and was yet again annoyed at the lack of coverage of New Order in the film!

A dodgy version of Blue Monday, a minor part about the floppy disk sleeve, a rubbish World in Motion live bit, a small flash of the Fine Time sleeve. I only saw Gillian for a fleeting moment

I mean even The Durutti Column got more coverage than New Order! They ain't bad but surely not that good!! ACR got two small bits (The Factory and Hacienda), but the Happy Mondays got the run of the film!!

I still think the portrayal of Rob Gretton the funniest! "I'll have a pint!", and Peter Kay "idiot box!".

Anyway back to the lack of New Order, who else thinks they were betrayed! "We're here to staaaay!" - you gotta be there in the first place!!

That's one of the reasons I didn't like the film and haven't bothered to watch it again.

Would it be futile to point out that the film isn't specifically about New Order...

Originally posted by Old Blue Would it be futile to point out that the film isn't specifically about New Order...

I know that but as New Order are the biggest band that were on the label you would think a little more coverage would have been nice. After Blue Monday you would have thought New Order had split up if you had watched the film and not known! True Faith should have been on there!! Also just one track played in the Hacienda could have been a New Order one and not funking Moby!!

Don't be daft. They're in it loads, but naturally the focus is on Joy Division and Ian Curtis's iconic status. I watched the film at the pictures knowing its background, and enjoyed it. Then I watched it on DVD from the point of view of someone who knew nothing about Factory, and it was even more enjoyable then. It's a classic, and really sums up the best music from the eighties and the era as a whole.

The antics of the Happy Mondays always had more entertainment potential than a mains lead being pulled out of a drum machine during the making of 'Blue Monday' anyway.

Class.

Andy

I think its a great film, very funny and although I know it has been sent up a little to bring some lightness to it, I still think it could be a lot worse. It seems quite chaotic and strung together by Tony Steve Coogan Wilson threads but in my imagination thats how I thought Factory were. Constantly on the hop with talented musicians but amatuers at business and just a bit of a fucking shambles. The Mondays lit up the screen and deservedly so. The portrayl of Ian Curtis was extremely haunting. So, funny & poignant. Not many movies do that these days. And a homegrown one at that.

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Originally posted by Doggy I think its a great film, very funny and although I know it has been sent up a little to bring some lightness to it, I still think it could be a lot worse. It seems quite chaotic and strung together by Tony Steve Coogan Wilson threads but in my imagination thats how I thought Factory were. Constantly on the hop with talented musicians but amatuers at business and just a bit of a fucking shambles. The Mondays lit up the screen and deservedly so. The portrayl of Ian Curtis was extremely haunting. So, funny & poignant. Not many movies do that these days. And a homegrown one at that.:bag:

Nail. On. The. Head. That was the whole point of the film. I always thought this film would be of interest only to the self-indulgent music fans, but it surpassed itself with its crossover appeal, and above all else it's funny. you don't have to be a music fan to enjoy it.

Andy.

It's not explaining Factory. Documentaries and books do that - the film is entertainment. That why it was so good - it had to appeal to casual cinema audiences, rather than fans of Factory Records. It would've been a dull rockumentary had it focused soley on New Order.

Andy.

In fact, I'm gonna watch it now in glorious stereo on my PC's DVD player, while feeding the sound into my Sennheiser headphones very loudly thought my hi-fi and having some beers.... See you in an hour or two!

I think it was an okay movie, but it didn't do justice to the Joy Division Story at all--nevermind that almost total lack of New Order. I don't give two fucks for the Happy Mondays personally, so there's my bias, I guess.

Well I aint got a close-up in the final scenes at the hac, but my nephews mum and her sisters have, and I can say that the only part they didn't recreate about the place was the girls gatecrashing the gents toilets cos theirs were either flooding again or the queue was too big. Perhaps the fact that the film shares its name with a Happy Mondays song title should have alerted you to the fact it aint fully the New Order Story. Oh and Doggy, good points;well put

Oh and based on the times I caught JD live, the guy playin Ian was frighteningly accurate. Paddy Considine's Rob Gretton was pretty good too. The Phil Saxe portrayal had a couple of people wondering though, cos his stall was never that tidy.

Not a bad film but i knew they could not make a film about all things FACTORY and NEW ORDER that i wanted.It would have been so dull for the average cinema visitor.Some parts were great though but the killing of those LOVELY birds.I think it would be better if they made a SOAP about FACTORY and put it on an obscure channel.Then they could be moralistic about events and give tips on how to look after your BOXSET JOY DIVISION artefact without getting marks onit.Good idea....thought NOT!

but New Order IS a great story... nobody really thought they would become as big as Joy Division, but they succeeded without a normal "pop rock" frontman, and they were the success that kept Factory going. without the club/factory that New order "built" the second half of the movie would never have happenned... they could have added 5 minutes to the movie about New Order and it would have been great if done right...

the success of New Order is funny and cool and would have provided a counterpoint/ contrast to the tragic figures of Ian and Shaun. all they did about New Order was mention the sleeve of Blue Monday and have an "unplugged" version of Blue Monday which I assume never ever happenned (hell, Barney would be embarrassed to sing like that, especially in 1983!).

a lost opportunity.... New Order, the anti-pop anti-rock stars who are part of the absurdly run Wilson run become successes despite of everything, even any business sense... it's a great part of the story.... dammit!

Originally posted by Friendly Fascism Correctamundo...you wanna watch a new order film...get your hands on Story!!!:p

And a VHS player as mine is busted! Come on London release DVDs! I am sick of winding through tapes!!

Oh and Doggy, good points;well put

Thank you

Hey Slippy, what's happening with the CDs?

The thing is after Ian died it was basically summarized as "Blue Monday sold a lot of records and Factory lost a lot of money" THE END. But it's so much more than that. Although I realize they had to fit in a lot within the boundaries of time. Good film overall.

Just another 5 or so minutes covering New Order and i wouldn`t have minded.Something about the Low Life era or Technique era nothing more.

Originally posted by Voice Of Treason . Just another 5 or so minutes covering New Order and i wouldn`t have minded.Something about the Low Life era or Technique era nothing more.

Agreed. It would've taken away from the nonsense going on in the rest of the movie by saying "But look here, there was still a band on the label that wasn't crap like the Mondays."

Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope > Originally posted by Voice Of Treason .> Just another 5 or so minutes covering New Order and i wouldn`t have minded.Something about the Low Life era or Technique era nothing more.

Agreed. It would've taken away from the nonsense going on in the rest of the movie by saying "But look here, there was still a band on the label that wasn't crap like the Mondays." Well, wasn't Ibiza mentioned at some point during the movie?

Originally posted by Shelley Blair Hey Slippy, what's happening with the CDs?

You should have them Shell!

Originally posted by Slippy > Originally posted by Shelley Blair> Hey Slippy, what's happening with the CDs?

You should have them Shell!

They haven't got to me yet. Maybe the post's being slow (typical bloody Royal Mail!).

I think a reason Happy Mondays get more coverage than New Order is because,the film although about Factory covers two periods in its time-the begining,and the end. Joy division were the start of Factory,and by the end 91-92,New Order were in disarray,just on the verge of the 8 year break,even though New Order did nothing in 91/92 and had not released a proper single since Run2,in what late 89? The break was from 1989 after Technique,from Factorys point of view. New Order had no part in the last couple of years,the very reason Factory went bust-Republic on Factory would of kept the label around,possibly even now.

The film managed to get some of the more interesting Factory stories in, not many more left that I can see (especially New Order - not the most cinematic of stories). Let's not forget that the film ended up being about AHWanker, and, has been said, the begining and end of Factory. I suspect the only time that Factory has entered any sort of public conciousness is when Curtis topped himself and the Mondays were e'd up to the eyebrows, I don't think they gave a toss about Lowlife or Technique (or any other Factory product or band - the film wasn't about the bands). Also, the reasons Factory went bust were more to do with giving both the Mondays and Northside a rumoured half a million a piece to record albums at the height of Madchester than any delay or a New Order follow-up. Not to mention premises, tables etc etc. Still, it's a better film than The Doors - Hippy get's cock out then dies.

Hell is that correct over NORTHSIDE and the half million pounds.I must admit i did like their odd few singles but never thought they would last long.I have never read about them since being offered so much money!Could you point out any atricles i could read about them.The magazine or whatever where this is mentioned.I am indeed interested in this. Regards ROCKET MICK

Still not seen it.