(no) New Order!

Originally posted by Rocket Mick Hell is that correct over NORTHSIDE and the half million pounds.I must admit i did like their odd few singles but never thought they would last long.I have never read about them since being offered so much money!Could you point out any atricles i could read about them.The magazine or whatever where this is mentioned.I am indeed interested in this.Regards ROCKET MICK

Hell's teeth! I'll try to find where I read this (I know it does seem unlikely - but was reported around the time it all went tits up, Honest!) unles of course I was very, very, very drunk.

I really like 24 Hour Party People, I also was a bit disappointed about the lack of New Order coverage, but then I realised that, at the effect of the plot, it was the right thing to do... The movie is indeed about three main charachters, the twat, the genius and the poet, there's not much room for someone else, and actually New Order's long and successful career is not appropriate in a story which speaks of Joy Division and their tragic end, and Happy Mondays and their tragic end. Also, New Order are Joy Division, so the author probably thought they couldn't do a 4 hours movies and it was time to speed forward after Ian's death. Post punk and Madchester are two different periods and Joy Division and Happy Mondays are the perfect stories for those periods, while New Order are less specific. Of course New Order are still worth a mention, and I don't really think the acoustic version of Blue Monday was a good idea, not at all. I'd have re-created the scene of one of those weird and fantastic early electro performances, like the first versions of Everything's Gone Green (just imagine John Simm hitting his head with the mic after barking and yelling "Jesus I love you!" ) and Temptation, to show the band evolving to a new sound, and then I'd have included a scene with New Order at the height of the acid house excess, like the American tour, but they'd have probably been shadowed by Shaun Ryder's peerless excess... Still, New Order appear in some form here and there and you do understand their importance, like when you see Bernard trying to produce the Mondays, or the meeting to sell Factory to London Records, the Hacienda history or when they speak in the car about New Order doing a record being important to save the label). I think they had to make difficult choices, but the film is excellent after all.

Originally posted by Major Tarantino Still not seen it.

I second this

Originally posted by Duckman > Originally posted by Major Tarantino Still not seen it.

I second this

are you condemning a movie you have not seen?

or just have not got around to it?

it's still an interesting movie

Originally posted by pumped full of drugs > Originally posted by Duckman > Originally posted by Major Tarantino Still not seen it.

I second this

are you condemning a movie you have not seen?

or just have not got around to it?

it's still an interesting movie I'm not condemning it, but rather I am too cheap to go buy the dvd or to rent the damn thing.

Yes, I agree that NO weren't given enough air time in the movie. When I first saw the movie about a year ago, I didn't know too many songs by anyone off Factory. (My husband made me watch it, as he's the avid JD/NO fan) I'd never even heard of Happy Mondays. So since I didn't know who anyone was really, I asked him who was this drugged out band they kept focusing on.

I didn't think they should've turned it into a New Order movie, but like others have said, at least a brief scene featuring anything about them after PCL? I've become a fan of JD and NO since then, and while I like a couple of the Happy Mondays songs they played in the movie, I can't understand why the whole movie practically had to be devoted to them. I guess it was one of those "you had to be there" moments. (Meaning in Manchester in the late 80s/early 90s.)

Originally posted by KhanadaRhodes Yes, I agree that NO weren't given enough air time in the movie. When I first saw the movie about a year ago, I didn't know too many songs by anyone off Factory. (My husband made me watch it, as he's the avid JD/NO fan) I'd never even heard of Happy Mondays. So since I didn't know who anyone was really, I asked him who was this drugged out band they kept focusing on.I didn't think they should've turned it into a New Order movie, but like others have said, at least a brief scene featuring anything about them after PCL? I've become a fan of JD and NO since then, and while I like a couple of the Happy Mondays songs they played in the movie, I can't understand why the whole movie practically had to be devoted to them. I guess it was one of those "you had to be there" moments. (Meaning in Manchester in the late 80s/early 90s.)

I blame the white man for it.

Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope > Originally posted by KhanadaRhodes> Yes, I agree that NO weren't given enough air time in the movie. When I first saw the movie about a year ago, I didn't know too many songs by anyone off Factory. (My husband made me watch it, as he's the avid JD/NO fan) I'd never even heard of Happy Mondays. So since I didn't know who anyone was really, I asked him who was this drugged out band they kept focusing on.> > I didn't think they should've turned it into a New Order movie, but like others have said, at least a brief scene featuring anything about them after PCL? I've become a fan of JD and NO since then, and while I like a couple of the Happy Mondays songs they played in the movie, I can't understand why the whole movie practically had to be devoted to them. I guess it was one of those "you had to be there" moments. (Meaning in Manchester in the late 80s/early 90s.)

I blame the white man for it. which one? I'm taking a wild guess that the film is filled with pasty-faced brits.

Originally posted by Duckman > Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope> > > > Originally posted by KhanadaRhodes> > Yes, I agree that NO weren't given enough air time in the movie. When I first saw the movie about a year ago, I didn't know too many songs by anyone off Factory. (My husband made me watch it, as he's the avid JD/NO fan) I'd never even heard of Happy Mondays. So since I didn't know who anyone was really, I asked him who was this drugged out band they kept focusing on.> > > > I didn't think they should've turned it into a New Order movie, but like others have said, at least a brief scene featuring anything about them after PCL? I've become a fan of JD and NO since then, and while I like a couple of the Happy Mondays songs they played in the movie, I can't understand why the whole movie practically had to be devoted to them. I guess it was one of those "you had to be there" moments. (Meaning in Manchester in the late 80s/early 90s.)>

I blame the white man for it. which one? I'm taking a wild guess that the film is filled with pasty-faced brits. You'd be right about that. I should've said that I blame the White Man as a whole. Seems the easy thing to do.

I think that the film should have concentrated a little more on New Order. Technique debuted at Numbwe 1 in 1989. They should have had a scene of New Order getting fucked up on E and recording it, and maybe a scene of them doing True Faith or Perfect Kiss in front of a huge sold out crowd.

Here is where a real oppurtinity was lost. JD were inspired by John Lydon and the Sex Pistols. On the US Technique 89 tour, John Lydons famous and influential post punk band Public Image Ltd toured with New Order. They could ahve gotten a great actor to played Lydon and had soem great scenes of New Order partying back stage and disgusting Lydon (Lydon once said, "New ORder do more drugs than the Grateful Dead!). That could have been really funny.

Over here in the US, the film was very popular with post punk and art school kids, as New Order is very popular here, and everyone I know thought it should ahve been more about NO not the Happy Mondays.

... but why oh why World in Motion

Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by Slippy> ... but why oh why World in Motion

You jest, surely? Their only no.1 in the UK, and some of those long-range crowd shots on '316' (and used in 24HrPP) are absolutely amazing. Capture the moment perfectly, great feel good number.

Never been a big fan of that song! True Faith should have been the one! ... and Fine Time in the Hacienda!

Oh and I would like to add it was only No1 cos of the England connection!

Originally posted by Slippy Oh and I would like to add it was only No1 cos of the England connection!

That is just plain fuckin stupid

Originally posted by Garymac > Originally posted by Slippy> Oh and I would like to add it was only No1 cos of the England connection!

That is just plain fuckin stupid

Cheers for being blunt!

I can't see World in Motion without the England team would have made the top 10!

I wouldn't have bought it except to complete my collection - then they rereleased it and I had to buy it again

Originally posted by Slippy I wouldn't have bought it except to complete my collection - then they rereleased it and I had to buy it again

Why ? Are you a fan of the band, or some variant on a stamp collector or trainspotter ? Or just keen to help the bands retirement. Seriously, I aint being flippant, I'd like to know the mindset involved, why buy somethin you dont like , twice, three times , four etc. I aint being judgemental here, but I would like to know

Originally posted by Garymac > Originally posted by Slippy> I wouldn't have bought it except to complete my collection - then they rereleased it and I had to buy it again

Why ? Are you a fan of the band, or some variant on a stamp collector or trainspotter ? Or just keen to help the bands retirement. Seriously, I aint being flippant, I'd like to know the mindset involved, why buy somethin you dont like , twice, three times , four etc. I aint being judgemental here, but I would like to know

I am just a completest when it comes to recordings by New Order and also ACR. Only concentrating on UK releases (and Benelux)!

The thing is the song has stood up to the subsequent passing years and tournaments very well, the England teams ruling bodies gained much needed kudos, previous England releases are pretty forgetable, 'cept the mighty ' Back home '. Slippy posited that it was the England connection that took them to # 1, for me that theory does not hold water, the McCullogh and spice girl thing was pretty dead on it's feet when realeased and most folk would be hard pressed to remember it. When the idea for the song was first floated, there was a very real fear amongst my mates that the Order were gonna be in some novelty record situation in the vein of Hoddle and twaddle I agree with your points about marketing etc, but I still think the song was strong, based on the offerings from England that preceeded it. In short as a pop song it captured the time perfectly and reflected it, a lot of people who would never buy a NO song bought it, but by that token a lot of people who would never buy a football song bought it, and I wouldn't be surprised to find it in a non-England fans collection

i always thought World in Motion was funny, a joke, a pisstake, the indie band "selling-out" in the silliest way ever, having a good laugh. probably were not sober either.

the original A and B side sounds like they recorded it during one afternoon, not very seriously. the remixes are better, one even has better improved Barney vocals. did they really play the original to death, with the possible worst rap break ever, or did the play the remixes?

i guess England knows more about New Order, so they can fill in the blanks in the story.... New Order didn't have enough "behind the scenes" gossipy stuff to add to the story.... hey, i thought Barney used lots and lots of drugs, but i guess he never OD'ed or shot anybody or died.

Originally posted by pumped full of drugs hey, i thought Barney used lots and lots of drugs, but i guess he never OD'ed or shot anybody or died.

Not lately, no.

John Barnes

Originally posted by Slippy John Barnes

Maybe he's got my CDs? Seriously, they're still not with me yet. When did you send them off?

Originally posted by Shelley Blair > Originally posted by Slippy> John Barnes

Maybe he's got my CDs? Seriously, they're still not with me yet. When did you send them off?

Over a week ago. Bloody postal service!