Is New Order/Joy Division even more popular now then ever?

As I am only 21 I don't really know exactly how big the band where in the 1980's but it seems everybody likes New Order/Joy Division. When I ever I mention I like New Order at university it always sparks of conversations about their singles/albums etc.

I am just quite amazed how many young fans New Order seem to have. I think 24 Four Hour Party people has helped, I knew a few New Order tracks before but I admit that film got me into Joy Division in a big way, this then followed with a much deeper interest in New Order.

Difficult to say. In terms of record sales, almost certainly not. In terms of feasible size of gigs, definitely yes. They can't do 2000 capacity venues these days, the cost of setting up all their gear makes them unviable ! In terms of respect amongst music listeners, they have served their time and are now rightfully recognised as innovators and pioneers. The "inconsistent" tag has disappeared over the years, as the output thins out in terms of regularity, more people look back nostalgically on the high quality of most of the output, and forget the occasional indifferent moment.

I hear Barney's massive...

...as is the M1, apparently. ;)

Does that mean I may one be lucky enough to see the complete New Order at a venue like the Ritz playing in together rather than a stadium where they look like dots?I just want to see them properly live so badly especialy after seeing them on Sunday.

I can't believe I missed Move 2002, I heared it as I stood outside but never actually had tickets.

New Order / Joy Division......popular???

Who do you think they are? Friggin' Oasis?!?!

Well if you look at the Guiness Book hit singles New Order are in the top 100 artists that have spent the longest on the charts which is out of 1000's.

I have just bought a book on british pop culture, not many bands are in it, and New Order and Ian Curtis have their own seperate sections.

In terms of inspiration New Order/Joy Division are probably bigger than Oasis could ever wish for.

It's more like New Order/ Joy Division are massively influential rather than massively popular that means they warrant a specific section devoted to them in music books, etc.... They don't sell MILLIONS of records like, say Oasis have in recent years. On the other hand, a shite derivative Beatles-fixated one-trick-phony band like Oasis may be popular with the masses in a way that NO/JD really aren't, yet no one in their right mind would consider Oasis as an influential band, unless they were as thick and misguided as the Gallaghers anyway.

;)

actually more people may have HEARD OF Joy Division and New Order now, percentage wise, but mainstream more popular? not really.

2004 music scene is really different from 20 years ago thou, so much more fragmented now ... so many different interests... so much mixture of styles from different eras now... so much easy access to all types of music from being able to download or buy almost virtually anything on the internet, so much info on bands on the internet anybody can learn about Joy Division, more types of dance and indie clubs in all larger cities now

back about 1982 you had to go to an indie college vinyl record store and hear about Joy Division/ New Order by word of mouth... buy the records (which had little or confusing info printed on it) just to hear the stuff for yourself. a couple indie band clubs maybe one night a week, no cool dance clubs except for gay i guess... the scene is so much more open and mixed now

as for the radio... 20 years ago there were three types of stations for younger set.... the pop top 40, lifeless (AOR) "album oriented rock" (they play almost exactly the same sh*t now, literally, it makes me laugh... its so stagnant), and "black music" for black people. Prince was the only crossover star. "Disco" was stupid or "gay".

so much variety for teenagers now... its cool:D

My take is that quite a fair number people unconsiously know New Order/Joy Division. Whenever I play BLT, BM or True Faith Regret, LWTUA or even TPK for someone they say "hey I know that song" but they rarely could name 2 NO tunes if you asked them to without hearing a song.