TBTHOG - oh yes of course i was!

What is it with general feeling against TBTHOG ?? it seems to take a lot of stick - yet i think its a great powerful track! - granted its not necesarily one of their seminal classics but still a great track... AND they seem to love performing it live!!

IMHO, it was good 12 or so years ago, but there are so many classics that I'd rather see performed instead.

"classics" presumably pre-technique..?

such as ????

Well, right from the start when it first came out, I was never a fan of TBTHOG...

But I should listen back to that old 12" though...

Originally posted by Inta Don "classics" presumably pre-technique..?such as ????

Well, Perfect Kiss and Age of Consent for two. Anything old that hasn't been played recently will do though. Seeing as you mention Technique though, I wouldn't mind seeing Vanishing Point or Guilty Partner in the set again, or even Everyone Everywhere off Republic for that matter.

Anything but Joy Division songs. It used to be a treat in the old days, when I were a lad and used to live in't shoebox in't middle o'road. Always unexpected, often shoddily performed. Now that we've grown up together, it's every other song....

The live version theiy're currently doing's a bit shit. Lacks all the power of the original in an attempt to make it sound more contemporary. For me, it was probably the most forgettable track of the gig

Originally posted by Seb Briggs The live version theiy're currently doing's a bit shit. Lacks all the power of the original in an attempt to make it sound more contemporary. For me, it was probably the most forgettable track of the gig

It was at it's best when nobody knew what it sounded like on the record, when it was introduced as "I got a wank off a girl with a spotty back". :) Salvation version is really good though I reckon.

Originally posted by Tim Jauncey > Originally posted by Inta Don> "classics" presumably pre-technique..?> > such as ????

Well, Perfect Kiss and Age of Consent for two. Anything old that hasn't been played recently will do though. Seeing as you mention Technique though, I wouldn't mind seeing Vanishing Point or Guilty Partner in the set again, or even Everyone Everywhere off Republic for that matter.

Anything but Joy Division songs. It used to be a treat in the old days, when I were a lad and used to live in't shoebox in't middle o'road. Always unexpected, often shoddily performed. Now that we've grown up together, it's every other song....

Could have done without Atmosphere and LWTUA, but Transmission was a gem - possibly the high point

Originally posted by Seb Briggs > Originally posted by Tim Jauncey> > > > Originally posted by Inta Don> > "classics" presumably pre-technique..?> > > > such as ????>

Well, Perfect Kiss and Age of Consent for two. Anything old that hasn't been played recently will do though. Seeing as you mention Technique though, I wouldn't mind seeing Vanishing Point or Guilty Partner in the set again, or even Everyone Everywhere off Republic for that matter.

Anything but Joy Division songs. It used to be a treat in the old days, when I were a lad and used to live in't shoebox in't middle o'road. Always unexpected, often shoddily performed. Now that we've grown up together, it's every other song....

Could have done without Atmosphere and LWTUA, but Transmission was a gem - possibly the high point

As a one-off maybe, but it just sounds tired and out of place to me. I dunno, maybe I'm just an old cynic, but I don't want to expect JD songs.

hmm yea but they do seem to have stuck with tbthog as a live track in recent years though! mebbe cause of the "live video" they feel obliged to play it live!!!!!

classic tracks wise, i'd like to see some material off LowLife make a re-appearance, This time of night Face Up Sunrise

Originally posted by Inta Don hmm yea but they do seem to have stuck with tbthog as a live track in recent years though!mebbe cause of the "live video" they feel obliged to play it live!!!!!classic tracks wise, i'd like to see some material off LowLife make a re-appearance,This time of nightFace UpSunrise

Couldn't agree more, that was definitely my favourite era, especially as the songs were performed live as work in progress (well half of them anyway). They've got such an extensive and quality back catalogue, to me it just seems a bit of a shame that they have almost opted for the easy way out when there is so much more they could do (cue assassination attempts from around the N.O. world). Still, I suppose we should be grateful that we have had another chance to see them at all....

I like Touched a lot, but I haven't heard the live version.

T-T-T-T-T-T-TOUCHED is right up there with The Village for me,It signified a massive return to form after the disappointment of Brotherhood(even though I was to stupid to realise Brotherhood had it's moments and spat the dummy after the first listen) I much prefer the versions on the 12" to the Salvation one and agree it sounds horrible live at the moment,at Brixton it and Close Range were indecipherable from a fog of bass,I almost had my fingers in my ears.But what a 12" a gigantic bassline,the Kick drum sound is 10x more potent than the one on the Perfect Kiss,The keyboards all shimmer with perfect production throughout,a perfect mix of ambiguos melancholic lyrics and euphoric chant(top form Barney),driven by one of the best head nodding beats they've ever done.The breakdown is efortless.Oh the memories of this one driving across N. Wales in a 'mark I Astra'I had it on tape the A side at the start then turned the tape over and taped the dub version,while playing back had to ffwd the tape to start all over again.it reminds me of Wales with the sun shining on the sea, definitely the best time to see the ocean around hear the glistening masks the dingey brown and if the sky is reflected in the sea it looks blue.

a nice but unlikely comprimise would be a couple of tracks from each album.. hence the set list would be something like...

movement - a bit 2 obscure for most tours pcl - the village, your silent face lowlife - love vigilantes, face up brotherhood - broken promise, way of life technique - round&round, vanishing point republic - regret, young offender get ready - crystal, vicious streak

and a couple off substance, like pk,tf,blt

now THAT would be one of my ideal set lists ;)

Thanks for the YO pick.

Originally posted by Inta Don a nice but unlikely comprimise would be a couple of tracks from each album..hence the set list would be something like...movement - a bit 2 obscure for most tourspcl - the village, your silent facelowlife - love vigilantes, face upbrotherhood - broken promise, way of lifetechnique - round&round, vanishing pointrepublic - regret, young offenderget ready - crystal, vicious streakand a couple off substance, like pk,tf,bltnow THAT would be one of my ideal set lists ;)

Now this is my idea of the perfect set.....

Sooner Than You Think BLT Shellshock Sunrise Thieves Like Us Paradise Confusion Broken Promise Ceremony Temptation State of the Nation

Weirdo Perfect Kiss

oops no, that's Birmingham 86

How's about this ?

Elegia/Regret/The Village/Primitive Notion/Vicious Streak/60mph/Sub-culture/Temptation/True Faith/Ceremony/Age of Consent/Perfect Kiss/Sunrise//BLT/Crystal/token JD song

Originally posted by Inta Don a nice but unlikely comprimise would be a couple of tracks from each album..hence the set list would be something like...movement - a bit 2 obscure for most tourspcl - the village, your silent facelowlife - love vigilantes, face upbrotherhood - broken promise, way of lifetechnique - round&round, vanishing pointrepublic - regret, young offenderget ready - crystal, vicious streakand a couple off substance, like pk,tf,bltnow THAT would be one of my ideal set lists ;)

Yeah, 'Way Of Life' !!!

... Jarvo's right... nothing, nothing beats the original bollocks of the early live versions '87,'89 etc. Just check the BBC Radio release for a glimmer and taste of it. Why they should have removed the beefy bass drum, tight arse bass synth and crunchy snare is a real mystery. I mean, what goes on with this new one?... sounds a little bit like another bands version of the same song taking the hardcore elements out.

A bit like True Fat.

Erm, and BLTomato.

Originally posted by Huntsman ... Jarvo's right... nothing, nothing beats the original bollocks of the early live versions '87,'89 etc. Just check the BBC Radio release for a glimmer and taste of it. Why they should have removed the beefy bass drum, tight arse bass synth and crunchy snare is a real mystery. I mean, what goes on with this new one?... sounds a little bit like another bands version of the same song taking the hardcore elements out.A bit like True Fat.Erm, and BLTomato.

A bit like Transmission and LWTUA then ? :headoff: for me !

They should do a concert like blur did the other year and play all the singles in order.

Yeah, I've always been a fan of Touched. Especially when they opened with it at Brixton and Finsbury Park before it was released.

pleased to hear there are youngoffender&wayoflife fans out there!!

but tbthog does work really well as a live track and maybe that explains the disliking of the "watered down" rmx versions. It gives Barney ample opporunitys to whoop and whistle and growl, Hooky has a nice lead, Steve gets to drum like he's in a punk band and Gillian well her role is unfortunatly rather typecast after Barneys gesturing in the video!!!!

Originally posted by Keeper Of The Major Key They should do a concert like blur did the other year and play all the singles in order.

They did, Toronto CNE 87, played 1-11 (no True Faith) off Substance in track order and I think encored with Age of Consent.

I've always thought it was unfortunate Touched didn't make it onto Substance.

Originally posted by Patrick I've always thought it was unfortunate Touched didn't make it onto Substance.

That's 'cause it did'nt come out till AFTER Substance Patrick!! :p

.....oops!

:D

And the Touched by the Hand of God 12" is really marvellous, old chap!

I know that Muffy, but it was the same year, wasn't it? Whenever Substance comes to State of the Nation, which I always skip, I think to myself, why couldn't this be Touched instead.

Jim, I assume that is the same as the 3-track CD?

Originally posted by Dutch Jim says: NO! And the Touched by the Hand of God 12" is really marvellous, old chap!

apart from the fact it was given the most unimaginative title in history! "Touched by the hand of dub" - ooh how inspired

Jim, I assume that is the same as the 3-track CD?

Actually, in a strange coincidence, NewOrderWeb.com claims that Touched is "from the album Substance."

Originally posted by Keeper Of The Major Key They should do a concert like blur did the other year and play all the singles in order.

Better still, they should do what the Pixies once did and do the set literally backwards - starting with the encore, then walk off stage, if only to see the looks of barely concealed outrage on all the punter's faces.... that would be priceless indeed.

Talking of "Touched By The HOG" - wouldn't it be a scream if New Order dressed up and performed this song live just like they did in that bonkers video?? Think about it! Imagine the sight of them doing that!!! I'd definitely pay the ticket price alone to see that re-enacted for our panty-wetting amusement.

Originally posted by Keeper Of The Major Key They should do a concert like blur did the other year and play all the singles in order.

Better still, they should do what the Pixies once did and do the set literally backwards - starting with the encore, then walk off stage, if only to see the looks of barely concealed outrage on all the punter's faces.... that would be priceless indeed.

Talking of "Touched By The HOG" - wouldn't it be a scream if New Order dressed up and performed this song live just like they did in that bonkers video?? Think about it! Imagine the sight of them doing that!!! I'd definitely pay the ticket price alone to see that re-enacted for our panty-wetting amusement.

Originally posted by Keeper Of The Major Key They should do a concert like blur did the other year and play all the singles in order.

Better still, they should do what the Pixies once did and play their entire gig literally BACKWARDS, beginning with the encore and then walk off stage, if only to see the barely concealed looks of outrage from the punters. That should be a joy to behold!

Talking of "Touched by the HOG" I'd like to see them perform this live just like they did in that bonkers video for it - all dressed up in their spandex spinal tap excess - I'd pay the admission ticket alone just to see that . Just imagine what a priceless moment that would be - purely for our panty-wetting amusement!!! ha ha ha

[A small aside: These bastard servers are pissing me off - just LOOK at what happened above! initially led to believe that the post didn't go thru, I retype it totally after resetting the fucking machine, only to find that it DID appear after all, TWICE! Fucking Basatard shit!! That makes me MAD! It happens every fucking sodding day this malarkey - uurrrrrrgggghhh ]

So Martin, your number of posts should actually be divided by three, then, eh? :D

Well, must admit: 900/3 is still a lot!!

Martin, you been 'busing the board again?...nah, just kidding.

Yeah, a "encore first- walk off and see who stays" concert would be great, the real NO fans would know enough to stay. Perhpas what they could do is a trail through their old hits for all the new "fans" for an hour, then take a 30 minute break and do album tracks as an encore for the real NO junkies.

As far as doing JD songs live, they're really the only band with enough latitude to pull it off (nevermind the aforementioned "JD 2000" of a few threads back), but it would be nice to leave room for more surprises (ie Novelty, These Days, and Warsaw would be nice alternatives)

I think TBTHOG is a great song however I have heard a couple of live versions which have sucked.

Martin, when you get an error message, minimize the current window, open a new window and check the forum to see if your message posted. Save yourself some stress. After the 2001 hit parade is over, New Order should play a handful of request only shows where they play what the audience shouts.

Originally posted by Brian Geoghagan Martin, when you get an error message, minimize the current window, open a new window and check the forum to see if your message posted. Save yourself some stress. After the 2001 hit parade is over, New Order should play a handful of request only shows where they play what the audience shouts.

Mucho thanx for your tip Brian...I'll try that next time.... As for your "request" suggestion.....that's so open to abuse it's not true! Just imagine if some wag shouted at Barney to play "Agadoo" or something equally naff and ridiculous.!!!!

Originally posted by Taboo # 7 Martin, you been 'busing the board again?...nah, just kidding.Yeah, a "encore first- walk off and see who stays" concert would be great, the real NO fans would know enough to stay. Perhpas what they could do is a trail through their old hits for all the new "fans" for an hour, then take a 30 minute break and do album tracks as an encore for the real NO junkies.As far as doing JD songs live, they're really the only band with enough latitude to pull it off (nevermind the aforementioned "JD 2000" of a few threads back), but it would be nice to leave room for more surprises (ie Novelty, These Days, and Warsaw would be nice alternatives)

The bloody Fall walk off every other song these days !! I saw the Pixies do that once, can't remember where now though. Anyone remember the Bunnymen when they did Stratford RSC Theatre in 83? They did two sets, a Matinee and Evening set - and just reversed the order of the 20 songs. Top entertainment all round.

Originally posted by Taboo # 7 Martin, you been 'busing the board again?...nah, just kidding.

Yeah, a "encore first- walk off and see who stays" concert would be great, the real NO fans would know enough to stay.

b]

Hang on, New Order did that once !! Was it Montreal 83 or something ? Played 5 songs, ending with the short version of Blue Monday, then came back 5 mins later and did another 7 or so, starting with the full version of Blue Monday.....

Originally posted by Mark E-uh Bloody Smith-uh > Originally posted by Taboo # 7> Martin, you been 'busing the board again?...nah, just kidding.> > Yeah, a "encore first- walk off and see who stays" concert would be great, the real NO fans would know enough to stay. > > b]Hang on, New Order did that once !! Was it Montreal 83 or something ? Played 5 songs, ending with the short version of Blue Monday, then came back 5 mins later and did another 7 or so, starting with the full version of Blue Monday.....

I'm sorry, that was very sad of me to remember that ! Nearly got it all right too.....

The gig was indeed Montreal Spectrum 5 July 1983. They did 6 songs, then went and came back another 7. Each set of songs ended with Blue Monday, the short version in the first set then the long version in the second set. The short version of Blue Monday cropped up several times on that tour. Excellent quality audio tape available from every show (7 songs only at Trenton, and no I'm still not parting with Chicago Metro :))

Originally posted by Martin Gray > Originally posted by Brian Geoghagan> Martin, when you get an error message, minimize the current window, open a new window and check the forum to see if your message posted. Save yourself some stress. After the 2001 hit parade is over, New Order should play a handful of request only shows where they play what the audience shouts.

Mucho thanx for your tip Brian...I'll try that next time.... As for your "request" suggestion.....that's so open to abuse it's not true! Just imagine if some wag shouted at Barney to play "Agadoo" or something equally naff and ridiculous.!!!!

The Bunnymen did that as well (no, not play Agadoo :D). At Glastonbury 85 they went on stage without a setlist and just did what people shouted. Played Do It Clean 16 times and fucked off :)

TBTHOG is one of my faves, and although i agree it hasnt got the same balls as it used to have, it was still great live.

I loved it when it first came out. I remember taping it off my 7" and playing it on my walkman over and over again... bless...

As for the video.... when i first saw it I almost shat myself laughing. Hooky is a fooking rock god in that vid.

Liv

Originally posted by Mark E-uh Bloody Smith-uh > Originally posted by Taboo # 7> Martin, you been 'busing the board again?...nah, just kidding.> > Yeah, a "encore first- walk off and see who stays" concert would be great, the real NO fans would know enough to stay. > > b]Hang on, New Order did that once !! Was it Montreal 83 or something ? Played 5 songs, ending with the short version of Blue Monday, then came back 5 mins later and did another 7 or so, starting with the full version of Blue Monday.....

I checked the 'Tours & Concerts' section and you seem to be right, MarkE, look :

1 In A Lonely Place
2 Chosen Time
3 Your Silent Face
4 Temptation
5 Dreams Never End
6 Blue Monday
7 Cries & Whispers
8 The Village
9 Thieves Like Us
10 586
11 Age of Consent
12 Everything's Gone Green
13 Blue Monday

I just thought maybe I should tell you all this.

Quite a few of my uni friends who are not NO fans really thought NO is not poking fun in the TBTHOG video, they thoght NO is really a semi-heavy metal/hard-rock band like Bon Jovi!!! with all those spandex and haircuts!!!...and Gillian in that Joan Jett look!!!!

Yes, that's the problem with the Touched video; if you don't know NO, you won't know it's a joke.

... well if you want to call it a PROBLEM?

it's big fun :D

Well, yes, DJ, that is another way of looking at it.

Sorry but you have to be pretty stupid to not think it's a joke when you listen to the actual song which isn't metal by far...

By the way, Klumpy, I noticed you resurrected your funeral thread on the French forum, thinking I wouldn't notice!

Damn, you noticed it, Patrick !

TBTHOG is highly underrated. I used to spin in college at UT-Austin and it was always a hit. While it took folks a while to realize what it was, it worked well.

The remix on Substance Abuse is also quite good, I think.

I have always had mixed feelings about TBTHOG. I like the '98 Peel Session version a lot, but for whatever reason, it just doesn't make it into my mp3 player play list for n.o.