42 replies · 1,632 views
Judging by Erasure going in at number 4 with their new one.
I think it's due to a lot of younger people downloading new singles instead of buying them from the shops whereas older people will rather go and buy the CD.
Or am i just talking shite like usual? 
Originally posted by Major Tarantino Judging by Erasure going in at number 4 with their new one. I think it's due to a lot of younger people downloading new singles instead of buying them from the shops whereas older people will rather go and buy the CD. Or am i just talking shite like usual?
Number 4??!! .Haven`t they called it a day yet?
when you consider the Brighton and Hove Albion fans managed to rig the charts to get in at #17, I think NOOL users can rig a top 10 no problems...
Hey if it's marketed correctly it could do well in the states too considering what the ties too Gwen Stefani and where the Killers got their name. But New Order being marketed well in the states??? It'll never happen.
Originally posted by Tristan Hey if it's marketed correctly it could do well in the states too considering what the ties too Gwen Stefani and where the Killers got their name. But New Order being marketed well in the states??? It'll never happen.
Depends of the song... if it's good, it'll get airplay, if it's not, we'll like it, but we'll be the only ones as usual 
And by that I mean by today's airplay standards.. of course!
Well, unless Bernard has become a gangsta rapper, talking about "bitches" and "hos", or he's learned how to sing in Espanol, he ain't getting no airplay in Dallas.
I love this town!
Where's Martin Gray when you need him?
He can give you wall charts and everything about the performances of neworder singles / albums. Whether there was rain that year and less people got out to the shops, whether they released more than one single before album was released, whether the single was included on an album and the coupe de gras, whether the single was good or not. We disagreed a lot on these points;)
Regret got to Number 4, Crystal Number 8 (I think) the next song should hit the Top 10, but let's be honest, no-one really gives a fuck these days....do we?
Charts are crap. At least here in Oz. They don't reflect actual record sales, but pre-orders from record shops. Hence our Australian Idols make the no 1 spot, only to later have their cds shipped back to the record company.
Now charts can reflect genuine demand if shops actually run out cds and have to order more. For the Order to chart here, it would mean that the shops would have to sell out their initial estimates of how many cds they might sell, and then order more. Hence, they would have to sell a shitload (Aussie for Lots). Which quite frankly is almost impossibe here.
Now I do want the Order to be commercialy successful, and wish them all the best for the new album. Hey if there's money in it for them, they might think twice before calling it a day.
Its more important that the album does well isnt it? On which point,i have some bad news-Its ccoming out on the same day as the new Coldplay album. The Stereophonics also release their new album the same week. I think they could beat Kelly Jones & Co to No.1 but not Coldplay. 
Even if the album stays in most countries Top 50's for at least 2 months that's a great victory for a band that prides itself on not being a bunch of media tarts and can still make music such a beautiful thing(& no, I don't work for Warner Australia's Marketing dept!!).
Originally posted by STEVEone Its more important that the album does well isnt it? On which point,i have some bad news-Its ccoming out on the same day as the new Coldplay album. The Stereophonics also release their new album the same week. I think they could beat Kelly Jones & Co to No.1 but not Coldplay.
I have no freaking idea who's Kelly Jones, but you made my day by telling me 2 of my favorite groups will be releasing an album the SAME DAY... will have to buy both!!
Luckly I'll have the New Order promo before (crossing fingers!) so I won't have the dillema to pick which one goes first in the CD player 
Krafty will go in with a bullet, don't hold out much hope for the 2nd and 3rd singles though, even with a Scissor Sister singing and (perhaps) some new b-sides. Just not the done thing with New Order really, is it?
Originally posted by Spotnick I have no freaking idea who's Kelly Jones, but you made my day by telling me 2 of my favorite groups will be releasing an album the SAME DAY... will have to buy both!!
What a shame it's not true. The third Coldplay album don't have a release date yet and it's highly unlike to be in March.
Originally posted by Al Jarvis Krafty will go in with a bullet, don't hold out much hope for the 2nd and 3rd singles though, even with a Scissor Sister singing and (perhaps) some new b-sides. Just not the done thing with New Order really, is it?
IMHO, the Technique singles were better each time ;) my favorite being Run, then Round & Round and, I still want to figure why Fine Time has been released... oh well.
Originally posted by Spotnick > Originally posted by Al Jarvis Krafty will go in with a bullet, don't hold out much hope for the 2nd and 3rd singles though, even with a Scissor Sister singing and (perhaps) some new b-sides. Just not the done thing with New Order really, is it?
I still want to figure why Fine Time has been released... oh well.
It was Rob's choice, he said if it didnae hit the Top 10 he'd give each band member £250, it charted at 11. Poor ole Rob:)
Originally posted by Spotnick > I still want to figure why Fine Time has been released... oh well.
Dig out your history books, Nic - there was a little something called Acid House sweeping the (British) nation in 1988.
See also Confusion, Electro, 1983.
Originally posted by ShugZV© > Originally posted by Spotnick> > > > Originally posted by Al Jarvis> Krafty will go in with a bullet, don't hold out much hope for the 2nd and 3rd singles though, even with a Scissor Sister singing and (perhaps) some new b-sides. Just not the done thing with New Order really, is it?
I still want to figure why Fine Time has been released... oh well.
It was Rob's choice, he said if it didnae hit the Top 10 he'd give each band member £250, it charted at 11. Poor ole Rob:)
Nice story that. Undoubtedly true as well, it's just the sort of thing they would have done. Didn't know which one to release so let Rob choose!
The story I have always heard (I believe my source is Sébastien) is that the band hired (or Factory) people to pick the first single off Technique (I believe I once read here they picked Vanishing Point), and the band decided that they knew nothing about music and they would pick the single themselves and picked Fine Time.
Any truth in that?
(Al: I'm not really well informed on the british music scene of the 80's, sorry ;) )
Back to the topic, I've read that this week #1 in the UK (probably an Elvis song what's with that?) had the LOWEST sales EVER for a #1 (22K copies or so)
with that in mind, there are more registered members on NOOL... if everybody pre-order Krafty for its release date, we can beat that and get New Order their 2nd #1 in career... 
Originally posted by Spotnick The story I have always heard (I believe my source is Sébastien) is that the band hired (or Factory) people to pick the first single off Technique (I believe I once read here they picked Vanishing Point), and the band decided that they knew nothing about music and they would pick the single themselves and picked Fine Time.Any truth in that? (Al: I'm not really well informed on the british music scene of the 80's, sorry ;) )
Well according to interviews it was Rob who picked the single. There was a TV interview with the band on TOTP, where they were asked who picked the singles, they said they couldn't agree on the first single off Technique so Rob picked it.
I wrote this elsewhere (but with spelling errors):
We all know that all the Elvis number ones are being re-released in the hope of having the 17 or so consecutive number ones with different songs.
In the middle of this glut comes New Order with Krafty. This weeks number one only sold 22,000 copies, the lowest ever. That means that New Order's second number one is highly attainable. All we have to do is make sure they sell more than 30,000 copies as that is how many Elvis singles will be pressed.
Not only would it be a wonderful achievement for New Order to return to the chart at number one, but to stop what ever record Elvis's people are trying to set.
I think what Elvis's rereleases also does is to confirm what I have previously said about New Order rereleasing all their early Factory singles on CD single for the first time in a limited run, giving them high chart positions for a number of weeks.
Originally posted by One Brain > Originally posted by Spotnick> I have no freaking idea who's Kelly Jones, but you made my day by telling me 2 of my favorite groups will be releasing an album the SAME DAY... will have to buy both!!
What a shame it's not true. The third Coldplay album don't have a release date yet and it's highly unlike to be in March.
Moby's new album will be released March 14 in Europe. This might have an impact on the Order's sales. :(
Another factor is chart return shops. If you buy from any old store, its not likely to count towards a chart placing.
HMV are the main provider of sales figures for the charts in the UK, if you buy from them or pre order from their on-line shop then this will definitely count towards the charts.
Another trick, if you're really keen, is to buy the different versions of the CD separately. There is likely to be a CD1 and a CD2 with the latter including different mixes etc. If you go to the counter with both in your hand this only counts as one sale for chart purposes. If you pay for one and then queue up again with the second CD then this will count as two sales towards the charts. The same applies if there is a vinyl version released.
Have to say, I've never been arsed to do this and it won't change this time.
Do you get these CD's cheaper if you look old by wearing a SCARF?Just a thought SCARF OF THE NORTH JOHNNY! :D
New Order beating Elvis to No.1-now that would be something special. Oh and It was Chris Martin talking on Radio1 who said the 3rd album was due end of March.
Originally posted by STEVEone New Order beating Elvis to No.1-now that would be something special. Oh and It was Chris Martin talking on Radio1 who said the 3rd album was due end of March.
Did he say which YEAR?:D
Originally posted by Ronald Kirsch Charts are crap. At least here in Oz. They don't reflect actual record sales, but pre-orders from record shops. Hence our Australian Idols make the no 1 spot, only to later have their cds shipped back to the record company. Now charts can reflect genuine demand if shops actually run out cds and have to order more. For the Order to chart here, it would mean that the shops would have to sell out their initial estimates of how many cds they might sell, and then order more. Hence, they would have to sell a shitload (Aussie for Lots). Which quite frankly is almost impossibe here.Now I do want the Order to be commercialy successful, and wish them all the best for the new album. Hey if there's money in it for them, they might think twice before calling it a day.
Australia's most successful single of all time is ARTIST: Joe Dolce TITLE: Shaddap You Face. 
Apologies for that pointless piece of Australian Export trivia.
Originally posted by Spotnick > Originally posted by STEVEone Its more important that the album does well isnt it? On which point,i have some bad news-Its ccoming out on the same day as the new Coldplay album. The Stereophonics also release their new album the same week. I think they could beat Kelly Jones & Co to No.1 but not Coldplay.
I have no freaking idea who's Kelly Jones, but you made my day by telling me 2 of my favorite groups will be releasing an album the SAME DAY... will have to buy both!!
Luckly I'll have the New Order promo before (crossing fingers!) so I won't have the dillema to pick which one goes first in the CD player
Nic - looks like your wish may come true - I've sent an email and I'll let you know when I get a reply mate 
Originally posted by Tristan Hey if it's marketed correctly it could do well in the states too considering what the ties too Gwen Stefani and where the Killers got their name. But New Order being marketed well in the states??? It'll never happen.
marketing or not...fat chance on charting over here. maybe it'll crack the top 100, but only by a peep. face it, americans just aren't ready for these young upstarts from somewhere over in england.
Apparently, Elvis's record company are going to be pressing more copies from now on "due to customer demand". Bugger. Just buy all formats and often 
Originally posted by Johnny Giles Another factor is chart return shops. If you buy from any old store, its not likely to count towards a chart placing. HMV are the main provider of sales figures for the charts in the UK, if you buy from them or pre order from their on-line shop then this will definitely count towards the charts.Another trick, if you're really keen, is to buy the different versions of the CD separately. There is likely to be a CD1 and a CD2 with the latter including different mixes etc. If you go to the counter with both in your hand this only counts as one sale for chart purposes. If you pay for one and then queue up again with the second CD then this will count as two sales towards the charts. The same applies if there is a vinyl version released.Have to say, I've never been arsed to do this and it won't change this time.
Whoa, how do you know this kind of stuff??? I tend to just go to the shop with the shortest queues, and that's never usually HMV, which is always packed. Hate queues so I certainly couldn't bring myself to go back twice for different versions 
Still, I have a feeling the first single will do really well in the first week any way :)
I can't see the album charting very high (if at all) in the States but that might not be such a bad thing if you look at what DOES chart here. But I must be getting old or something because I barely know who any of these people are on the charts...
Oh my...just had a look at the top 50 singles here in the States, and from the looks of that lot, there's no way in Hell that New order stand a chance of getting on that list...I knew rap was big here, but that's frigging insane...
and then looking at the top 50 albums...wow...there is a whopping TWO of them that I own...and don't care to own any of the other 48...
I knew I was out of the loop...but...now I feel like I've lost touch with reality!!!
Originally posted by HOOKY DON'T FLY COACH! Oh my...just had a look at the top 50 singles here in the States, and from the looks of that lot, there's no way in Hell that New order stand a chance of getting on that list...I knew rap was big here, but that's frigging insane...and then looking at the top 50 albums...wow...there is a whopping TWO of them that I own...and don't care to own any of the other 48...I knew I was out of the loop...but...now I feel like I've lost touch with reality!!!
Indeed. Even at my age, I don't even know the artists played on the top 40 station - not that I'd really want to, though. When someone raps about his bling-bling or his hoes or about leaning back, I find Barney's couplet lyrics profound.
American radio is rubbish and should be annihilated... same goes to mtv and vh1. all 3 have ruined music here in the states. thankfully "indie" music has made more of an impact in the past 3-5 years, but still... even the indie genres are on the road to exploitation and saturation by major labels.
Originally posted by HOOKY DON'T FLY COACH! hey...VH1 does I Love the 80's...so it ain't ALL bad!!! :p
and me loves the Flipside
