Third and last in a series of three, a poll about the presence of Joy Division songs in the set. Tell it how it is.
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Joy Division songs in the set.....yea or nay?
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But of course, they wrote them, they should play them 16 (31%)
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Maybe as an occasional treat 21 (41%)
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Yes, but only as the encore, rather than every 2nd or 3rd track in the set 7 (14%)
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No way Jose! 7 (14%)
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Yeah, it's been great to hear those songs live, but I think they should drop them all bar maybe one as a nod to their past.
I think that particular ghost has been well and truly exorcised now.
They've done 'em to death now, haven't they? I'd only keep Transmission in the set.
Oh, and Ceremony of course, before we start talking about the parentage of that particular little New Order choon.
NO NO NO NO NO! For the 2nd time in two days, i agree with jarvo. *maybe* keep transmission in the set. And ceremony. Nothing else i'd say. Then again, depends on the venue.
I dont reckon they should play any stuff played on the last tour, apart from transmission. If the set goes along what we've hear about WFSC, and its synth led sound, maybe decades would be the best. 
Do 2 or 3 , but NEW ones pls. Maybe keep Transmission, and let's hear a 2005 crack at The Only Mistake (I can just hear a nice sequencer line bubbling along with that) and New Dawn Fades.
My two penn'orth on this one:
keep LWTUA and Transmission, adding Decades and Something Must Break (would be excellent for them to do!), and to rotate which they play, only doing two maximum per show. The rest should be gracefully retired, they've made their point now. LWTUA is a given, what with the Brits awards and all that. Transmission is a given because they have enhanced it.
Well, my idea to this is, it was fun in 1998 when they had no material, but at the expense of losing Technique & Low-Life tracks... I'm not so sure...
It's normal that they will play plenty of songs from the new album, but I also believe it would be time to freshen up some songs a little bit.
I'd prefer to have Vanishing Point and Sooner Than You Think rather than Love Will Tear Us Apart and Heart & Soul...
Atmosphere on the other hand was quite good...
Considering they never played These Days, even as JD, and that's a choice for the movie title, plus (I think) it fits Barney's voice and style, that could be an option, couldn't?
Originally posted by Server Error in "/" Application Considering they never played These Days, even as JD, and that's a choice for the movie title, plus (I think) it fits Barney's voice and style, that could be an option, couldn't?
They played These Days quite a lot as JD - not heard Paradiso, Cologne or the Lyceum?
Anyway, they kept the These Days drum pattern and used it as Chosen Time.
Actually, rethink, they SHOULD give New Dawn Fades a run-out as it's the only 'obvious' JD song they haven't trotted out yet, so be good to see that one midset at some point.
I'd seriously dread that - it was never really a song that lent itself to live performance, and I shudder to think of Barney straining against the "it was meeeeeeee" bit!! 
Joy Division often seemed to rush the song live - I hate to think how it would sound if not given the reverence the writing and arrangement needs.
Would really enjoy hearing Barney have a crack at Disorder - it's one of the more uplifting JD songs, and Barney's voice wouldn't sound out of place on it. Granted it's not an obvious JD choon to play, but then again what about Digital, Isolation and Heart & Soul?!
I think they should definitely be given a rest, besides they have such a massive collection of their own gems, I'd rather hear an extra new order track than a lame rehash of a JD one (correct me if they sound amazing live).
Another problem is that part of the early thrill of hearing the JD songs must have been the surprise factor (maybe part of the reason that the hardcore on here wax lyrical about the time they played Decades - the only time..). I found this mp3 on t'intnernet from 1983, where they play LWTUA. You can just hear the surprise in the crowd, not really realising/believing it until that synth line kicks in. If anyone wonders which one I mean, the 1st repeat of the synth is severely messed up, and at the end Hooky shouts "Happy Birthday Rob!" A rest would mean that if they were done again occasionally, you'd get that rush back.
One or two, namely Disorder and From Safety to Where?
Anything that makes the setlist less predictable should be done. Well not anything.... ;)
Originally posted by Karl Surmacz I think they should definitely be given a rest, besides they have such a massive collection of their own gems, I'd rather hear an extra new order track than a lame rehash of a JD one (correct me if they sound amazing live).Another problem is that part of the early thrill of hearing the JD songs must have been the surprise factor (maybe part of the reason that the hardcore on here wax lyrical about the time they played Decades - the only time..). I found this mp3 on t'intnernet from 1983, where they play LWTUA. You can just hear the surprise in the crowd, not really realising/believing it until that synth line kicks in. If anyone wonders which one I mean, the 1st repeat of the synth is severely messed up, and at the end Hooky shouts "Happy Birthday Rob!" A rest would mean that if they were done again occasionally, you'd get that rush back.
You've got it in one! That was such an amazing rush at the start of that song - they'd always said they weren't going to do any JD stuff, and we had no reason to disbelieve them. Then that familiar riff opened proceedings at the Tower Ballroom, and it was just the most amazing feeling. I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it now, and it was nearly 22 years ago! Decades at RFH was similar, so was She's Lost Control at Slough. Atmosphere wasn't quite the same though.
Disorder they should try, Warsaw would be funny, I dunno...Keep Atmosphere,Transmission, and LWTUA...and where good
They have every right to play JD songs, but frankly I would prefer if they stick to just NO songs.
Transmission is great but how about WARSAW and FAILURES? That would bring the house down. Encore performance. Could you imagine leaving a show after hearing those two songs live?
I would leave saying that shit blew me away...
How could anyone NOT want to hear JOY DIVISION SONGS?? WOW!!
Originally posted by Jason Rosero Transmission is great but how about WARSAW and FAILURES? That would bring the house down. Encore performance. Could you imagine leaving a show after hearing those two songs live? I would leave saying that shit blew me away...
Monaco used to knock out "Failures" at the end of their '97 gigs. It was a fucking racket.
I'd love to hear them try one of my JD favorite sound DEAD SOULS, but I have a hard time using my imagination to hear Bernard sing it...
I'd like it if they were different songs than we're used to (non-Atmosphere, LWTUA, Isolation, etc) and if Barney can muster up enough respect to refrain from yelping and jumping up and down on one leg, and if Steve and Hooky pull up some of that energy from 25 years ago that made the songs so goddamn powerful!
Originally posted by Jason Rosero Transmission is great but how about WARSAW and FAILURES? That would bring the house down. Encore performance. Could you imagine leaving a show after hearing those two songs live? I would leave saying that shit blew me away...
Oh I would love to hear Joy Division songs on a regulare basis live... if Ian Curtis was the singer. I just don't like how Barney sings the songs and sometimes the more current Isolaiton gets on my nerves. If New Order can barely play their own songs how do you expect them to properly play a JD tune? :p
Definitely not, there are so many old New Order songs that I'd love to hear live again instead!
Yes, yes and yes!
As long as they play less each show (alternate songs from a show from another) OR play longer sets!
Isolation sounds terrific when played by New Order. It could have been a New Order single!
I thought Digital sounded great too with Bernard's voice, and Atmosphere is an absolute must. Heart and Soul sounded good too in 1998.
I wouldn't mind seeing them drop Love Will Tear Us Apart and Transmission if they could rather play New Dawn Fades, as Allen suggested, or one or two of Twenty-Four Hours/The Eternal/Decades.
Yep... Decades should definitly be included in the set. They could finish their concert with it. It would be perfect. 
Originally posted by Tristan > Originally posted by Jason Rosero> Transmission is great but how about WARSAW and FAILURES? > That would bring the house down. Encore performance. Could you imagine leaving a show after hearing those two songs live? > > I would leave saying that shit blew me away...>
Oh I would love to hear Joy Division songs on a regulare basis live... if Ian Curtis was the singer. I just don't like how Barney sings the songs and sometimes the more current Isolaiton gets on my nerves. If New Order can barely play their own songs how do you expect them to properly play a JD tune? :p
I think Barney could pull it off!!! To hear Warsaw really fast and loud, live would kick ass
LWTUA can stay, but the rest are optional. I'd like to hear SLC and Transmission and Atmosphere, but it's not required. That said, it would be interesting for them to dig into some more obscure JD stuff that they haven't played since 1980 except on rare occasions. At least if they aren't playing their New Order back catalogue, they can at least give us some Joy Division.
just a few. i may have only seen them twice (so far!), but when i did it was nice to hear a couple of JD songs. however, i did go to see NEW ORDER, after all! they have plenty of songs in their repertoire and they needn't ever become a tribute band of their former incarnation.
