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Hey, I'm a newbie to the site and I saw a New Order lot that had something that I wasn't familiar with - is the True Faith promotional disc worth anything or is it just like a normal CD-single?
The lot is at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4701403838&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT. Please e-mail me or respond if you have any ideas about this - I love the song but are there any other places where I can find these mixes? Sorry for sounding confused. :)
those are bootlegs, someone would probably send you the files or trade discs with you. don't buy bootlegs!
Yeh it does sound a bit stange. The only True Faith cd I'm aware of is the CDV. I hope you're not the seller.
What is a CDV? A video CD or something?
The seller gives certain numbers, do they mean anything and could you check to see if they were real?
Actually there IS a True Faith 2001 Promo CD...
but it looks like this:
And if you check EBay:
This looks pretty much the same... how would anyone be sure it's a bootleg? 
TLV?
There were several variations of the US True Faith 2001 promos. You can cross-check them against your best point of reference for anything collectible New Order here:
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Thank you so much! I'm sorry for causing such a big hassle but I liked New Order ever since I heard their Bizarre Love Triangle one day while playing DDR. You all are a tremendous amount of help. 
To me they do look legit - there was a 6-track US promo CD single of "True Faith" and there was an interactive interview promo CD as well...
In fact the scan from ebay looks pretty much spot on (I've got both promos myself), so unless someone's gone to the trouble of bootlegging the promo (does happen), then I'd say that the auction has the genuine articles.
l8rs,
Nick ;)
I have the 1987 Qwest promo for True Faith. No cover but the disc itself has the blue Substance peony printed on it.
Tracks:
True Faith (The Morning Sun Remix/Edit) 4:04 True Faith (Album Edit) 4:10 True Faith (The Morning Sun Extended Remix) 8:59
Times listed are printed on the disc and are probably accurate. I believe the Album Edit was used for the original True Faith video (the one with more Glastonbury footage).
James McQuiston wrote: What is a CDV? A video CD or something? The seller gives certain numbers, do they mean anything and could you check to see if they were real?
yes a CDV is containing some videos, but you can't play it on DVD player nor computer. You can play this only on LASERDISK players selled in Japan in the early 90's!
Actually, if you read the eBay listing you'll see that the seller sell both the TF2k1 promo and the "interactive" interview from 2001 (Get Ready-era). As Nick said, compare the pics with the ones found in the New Order Discography @ http://www.niagara.edu/neworder (Singles/TrueFaith2001 and Albums/GetReady respectively) and you'll see that they are the real thing. At $10 they are a very nice price and they would still be a nice price at $20...
/TLV
i've seen these on Ebay nearly every week since 2001 though. how many copies do you think are in cirulation? this type of promo is very easy to duplicate. i could make discs that look exactly like those on my home computer and make a fortune, which is what this seller is doing. seriously, they didn't make that many of the promo's and yet they turn up every week on ebay. plus, the price is too cheep to be the actual artifact. in fact, whats the point of having the actual thing when the line between real and bootleg has been blurred so much?
Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: i've seen these on Ebay nearly every week since 2001 though. how many copies do you think are in cirulation? this type of promo is very easy to duplicate. i could make discs that look exactly like those on my home computer and make a fortune, which is what this seller is doing. seriously, they didn't make that many of the promo's and yet they turn up every week on ebay. plus, the price is too cheep to be the actual artifact. in fact, whats the point of having the actual thing when the line between real and bootleg has been blurred so much?
What would be the point of starting the bid at 40$?
I sure would love to have them... but not at any price...
You're right Spotty. I conceed this could be the real thing but my point is this; I will not buy "Promo" discs like this off Ebay because i'm skeptical about the authenticity of the item. It's dead easy to get those mixes in CD quality (and the Someone Like You mixes from CDR) so it's not that necessary to me. I do have 2 copies of the 2x12" US Promo's for True Faith 2001 and can guarantee those are REAL.
They look genuine to me. Simply because the artwork and writing on the discs match the other photos I have seen of the said promos. Also if you look very carefully you can see the "data amount burned" edge (I.e. 45 mins of an 80 min disc used) on the front of the disc along with the writing. I would imagine that "shadow" would be quite difficult to fabricate on a bootleg. That is assuming the photo is of the actual discs being sold, but putting aside my cynical nature it does look trustworthy enough.
As for the auction sure, I wouldn't mind them either. I do have a set of high quality MP3s (192kbps) from that particular True Faith CD promo so I basically have the musical content but owning the discs themselves would also be nice. However I've just noticed the guy with the same handle "bigoljohnd" who if my memory serves me correctly paid over 72 quid for the Krafty promos, a clearly ridiculous amount, has just started ramping up the bid price already. No offence to the guy if he's a fellow NOOLer, but he very obviously hasn't quite got the hang of bidding efficiently on eBay. There is ZERO point in bidding on an item 6 days before it's end, and to do so is demonstrating a huge amount of naivety especially for a bidder of his supposed experience. All this will do is cause a massive price inflation battle which makes no sense for anyone let alone someone really wanting it. By showing your interest and placing a maximum bid so early in the auction's life you may as well chuck your cash down the drain. I bid on eBay auctions in the final minutes (often minute) and I have a very good success rate for getting what I want. But people like the guy above push the price further and further up rather than demonstrating a bit of intelligence and adding it to their watch list while quietly biding their time.
Sorry but that sort of clear brainlessness on eBay really gets my goat. My MSN name was "Newbie eBayers are utter numpties" for a good long while because one obvious new user ended up causing a price battle that cost me at least an extra £15 on a rare CD single I was after. It took me a few auctions to figure out when to place bids efficiently getting what I wanted in the end; the last minute bid approach is not rocket science! However any price battle is obviously good news for the seller.
Ally.
Andy wrote: I have the 1987 Qwest promo for True Faith. No cover but the disc itself has the blue Substance peony printed on it.
Tracks:
True Faith (The Morning Sun Remix/Edit) 4:04 True Faith (Album Edit) 4:10 True Faith (The Morning Sun Extended Remix) 8:59
Times listed are printed on the disc and are probably accurate. I believe the Album Edit was used for the original True Faith video (the one with more Glastonbury footage).
I can't get the scan of my copy to upload so here's a link to a picture of the 1987 promo cd single.
http://www.worldinmotion.net/neworder/discography/singles/1987/TrueFaithCDPromoUS.jpg
Originally posted by Biznotic Love Trapezoid You're right Spotty. I conceed this could be the real thing but my point is this; I will not buy "Promo" discs like this off Ebay because i'm skeptical about the authenticity of the item. It's dead easy to get those mixes in CD quality (and the Someone Like You mixes from CDR) so it's not that necessary to me. I do have 2 copies of the 2x12" US Promo's for True Faith 2001 and can guarantee those are REAL.
So how do you know that your vinyl is the real deal? Anyone can get a vinyl-press these days... Likey? No. Possible? Yes. The same goes for albums with "proper" artwork. I've bought DVDs that looked legit in the picture but are obviously cheaper Asian bootlegs.
It's not just eBay that may post fakes. What about that New Order JFK CDR Esprit claims is the real deal? Not a single person here on NOOL or Ceremony believes it's a proper recording.
/TLV
i shop for records every day and have done for the last 10 years. i know a bootleg when i see one. i know your question was a hypothetical but it's dead obvious when a record has been bootlegged. bootleggers rarely, if ever, get into etching the run off groove exactly the same so tracing the originals and bootlegs is very easy. CDR's, on the other hand, are very easy to bootleg, especially now that printers print directly to the discs, in very high quality.
