Hello groovers. As we all know, the Order have produced over the years an almost unfair proportion of belters compared to mingers. Yes, the list of belters is almost endless, and yet, now and again out pops a little minger. Let us purge those demons here and now and nominate 'the track that's the most cack'! Rules: No nominations from Movement. Simply because it was recently voted worst album, so that would be too easy. None of the Salvation tracks can be nominated, as we all know they're shite anyway. No remixes. No live tracks. Apart from them you can point your shitey stick wherever you want. Closes Thursday at Muffy's bedtime, results Friday afternoon(ish).

What idiot/idiots voted Movement as their worst?????? Shame on you. This is a very disappointing thing to read and makes me wonder......whatever happened to Martin Gray? As for cack tracks:...i am sorry i am totally confused by above message...Movement is THE Ultimate New Order album IMHO, . This outcome is probably influenced by the

Finally, Muff-man! I've been waiting!

WE ALL STAND

Sub-Culture, Shellshock and Rock the Shack.

(And Movement's not ALL bad!!)

What idiot/idiots voted Movement as their worst?????? Shame on you. This is a very disappointing thing to read and makes me wonder......whatever happened to Martin Gray? As for cack tracks:...i am sorry i am totally confused by above message...Movement is THE Ultimate New Order album IMHO, . This outcome is probably influenced by the low average age of NOONliners and the fact that a lot of noonliners are fans since Substance!? I'm shocked and stunned, what kinda world are we lioving in?

For me, the honest milk man, it would have to be the dreadful and hugely disappointing 'Death Bed Jam Butties' from the platinum hit selling record 'Still Getting Things Ready'.

And for these few and several reasons:

a) it's shite b) it's poo c) it sounds almost dangerously close to an Electrical Light Bulb production and 4... it stinks of butties.

other than that the entire mole hunt and saliva efforts can be thrown into the shit pit.

o.k. shame of the nation I don't think any no song is cack but to please you ignorant movement haters i'll give ya one

Hmm... I'm hard pushed to admit there are any tracks i dont rate by NO really!

Im not overly keen on 'Everyone Everywhere' in all honesty. and i skip a few on Grrready but then again who doesnt.. ?

Originally posted by Mario Herlaar o.k. shame of the nationI don't think any no song is cack but to please you ignorant movement haters i'll give ya one

Mario, read the rules, NO REMIXES!!

While certain tracks like Slow Death, Rock The Shithouse, and We All Can't Wait For It To Finish are far from top of my pops, they do have a certain appeal. For me my nomination is the truly awful Times Change from the equally awful Republic.

Originally posted by Steve Waller Sub-Culture, Shellshock and Rock the Shack. (And Movement's not ALL bad!!)

I actually think Movement is pretty good Steve, especially if you listen to it at night in the dark.

Originally posted by Muffy > Originally posted by Steve Waller> Sub-Culture, Shellshock and Rock the Shack. > > (And Movement's not ALL bad!!)

I actually think Movement is pretty good Steve, especially if you listen to it at night in the dark.

... with your cock out?

Ok ok, state of the fucking nation it is then.

Originally posted by Huntsman > Originally posted by Muffy > > > > Originally posted by Steve Waller> > Sub-Culture, Shellshock and Rock the Shack. > > > > (And Movement's not ALL bad!!)>

I actually think Movement is pretty good Steve, especially if you listen to it at night in the dark.

... with your cock out?

If you have your funbags out Huntsbitch, i'll set 'The Beast' free, but watch I don't have your eye out!

State of the pisshole.....above and beyond bad for any band to commit such an atrocity, but then again, I liked the video.

I would like to stick up for State of the Fucking Nations... its a belter. The video is me fave with that yobbo running for the bus in his bomber jacket. How people can select this ahead of Shithouse, Jam Butties or We all can't wait for it to finish is a friggin mystery.

I can't believe its not butter.

Originally posted by Muffy While certain tracks like Slow Death, Rock The Shithouse, and We All Can't Wait For It To Finish are far from top of my pops, they do have a certain appeal. For me my nomination is the truly awful Times Change from the equally awful Republic.

I'm afraid I disagree on that one, Muff-man, not that it's one of their best or anything, but among other things I like about it is the hurried way Bernard says the last two lines (at least as printed here).

Originally posted by Huntsman I would like to stick up for State of the Fucking Nations... its a belter. The video is me fave with that yobbo running for the bus in his bomber jacket. How people can select this ahead of Shithouse, Jam Butties or We all can't wait for it to finish is a friggin mystery.I can't believe its not butter.

I agree, H, State is not nearly in the same league as We All Can't Stand It or Slow James.

Hmmm I quite like we all stand. And rock the Shack. And State of the Nation.

Blast Slow Jam into fucking obscurity though for offending my ears greatly with it's inane lyrics and tuneless tune.

A few others which I don't like but like slightly more than Slow Jam:

Chemical, times Change, Guilty Partner, Avalanche, In a Lonely Place, SLY, Elegia

1. Slow Jamboree
2. Sub Culture
3. Times Change
4. Thieves Like Us

Number 4 might cause a bit of a stir but i have honestly never liked that song. It takes too long to get going and the chorus is bobbins, shouting 'it's called love' a lot out of key does not make a good song!

mario, dont despair,"movement" isnt universally hated. i like it and really i think its quite unfairly maligned. as for cackest track, muffy, you`ve opened a can of worms here, there are plenty of new order tracks that are a bit stinky if u ask me. i shall have to mull it over. early leader for the definitive cack in pants duffer though is the "subculture" 12", followed closely by the supermarket muzak of "liar".

Originally posted by Seb Briggs Hmmm I quite like we all stand. And rock the Shack. And State of the Nation.Blast Slow Jam into fucking obscurity though for offending my ears greatly with it's inane lyrics and tuneless tune.A few others which I don't like but like slightly more than Slow Jam:Chemical, times Change, Guilty Partner, Avalanche, In a Lonely Place, SLY, Elegia

Avalanche and GP are great!!

thanx velocity girl, i am calming down a bit now. And i really like state of the nation too.... Keeper of the minor key, have you ever considered brain surgery?

Snake some fucked up choices there wasn't there?

Guilty Harness?... that's brillcream. Elegible?... dear me have you been on mount grumpy today?

no not at all Huntso - in fact in rather a cheerful mood today, bringing light into lives of all who cross me.

Surely Subcultures a stranger choice. I love that song. Both the album and Substance mix. Elegia and Avalanche bore me. Guilty partner annoys me. Dunno why. IALP is crap. And I just don't generally like the Republic sound.

• We all stand
• Young Offender
• Liar
• Shellshock

,

Originally posted by Marco Pleil - We all stand- Young Offender- Liar- Shellshock

Disagree on three out of four, Marco.

I'm with Patty on that score. It's not normal for our Marco the Man to produce such quirky results.

Shellcock Marco?... not the greatest song but the 12" surely is a classic?!!!

And snake... you can't convince me that you'd ever share any cheer around the place. You are the new Walter Mattheau.

This topic is certainly playing with fire!!!

Originally posted by Huntsman And snake... you can't convince me that you'd ever share any cheer around the place. You are the new Walter Mattheau.

I tend to leave me missus with a smile on her face ;)

Originally posted by Seb Briggs no not at all Huntso - in fact in rather a cheerful mood today, bringing light into lives of all who cross me.Surely Subcultures a stranger choice. I love that song. Both the album and Substance mix. Elegia and Avalanche bore me. Guilty partner annoys me. Dunno why. IALP is crap. And I just don't generally like the Republic sound.

I agree Elegia is boring, Seb, but not Avalanche. That's a charming little song.

...yes, shellshock...i miss Hooky on this track...he appears only in tiny portions on this one...

Originally posted by Patrick > Originally posted by Seb Briggs> no not at all Huntso - in fact in rather a cheerful mood today, bringing light into lives of all who cross me.> > Surely Subcultures a stranger choice. I love that song. Both the album and Substance mix. Elegia and Avalanche bore me. Guilty partner annoys me. Dunno why. IALP is crap. And I just don't generally like the Republic sound.

I agree Elegia is boring, Seb, but not Avalanche. That's a charming little song.

i'd probably like it more if it wasn't stuck at the end of Republic - which I'm normally pretty sick of by the time I get round to Avalanche

Hey Marco the Man to me you epitimise the German ethic. No matter how much any one tries to provoke a response you come back like clockwork, respond in a calculated precise manner then leave!!!.... now why can't I do that?

Anyway there was this buzzard etc...

Republic is getting quite a severe slapping isnt it!

Still i voted 'everyone everywhere'

but please let us not the forget golden moments..

notably - Regret,Special

Well, Seb, just think of it as a reward for making it all the way through.

Slow Jam Rock the Shack

Both absolute garbage. New Order are headed down a Rock-y Path with no return at least Republic was listenable at low volumes the whole way through. With GR, even playing at a whisper, I have to get up and skip tracks (yes I have a remote and program functions and a CD burner to create my own without duff tracks, but I'm also a lazy fucker (which explains why I respond to Neworderforums All Day Long))

Brian, would you have suggested that NO were heading down a Pet shop Boys esque path of limp synths after Republic? I certainly thought so. At least theres some variety in GR, all the Republic tunes after Spooky mesh into 1 for me (bar Special of course)

I agree though, I can't listen to Slow jam at any volume.

I'm surprised no one mentioned 'World in motion' yet. Surely SOTN is much better. OK, 'World in motion' it is.

Originally posted by Coen van der Voort I'm surprised no one mentioned 'World in motion' yet. Surely SOTN is much better.OK, 'World in motion' it is.

Got a certain emotional attachment to some of us English peoples I should imagine. Every time I hear the song I can picture Gazza shedding a tear vs Gemany.

Haven't listened to WIM lately but I remember liking it when it came out.

Originally posted by Patrick Haven't listened to WIM lately but I remember liking it when it came out.

Patty if your into New Order, and then your into football, and then your into World Cup football, and then your into it when your national team is arguably the best team they've had in decades when your in your own personal prime... then out of nowhere your New Order band happens to do the theme to the World Cup (every 4 years this happens so you could be dead by the next time) of your own national team when they are particularly excellent.

Fucking hell Pat you have to live it to believe it. It's the one moment in NO's history that cannot translate to the States, however, could to the rest of Europe as 99% are footy bonkers.

Hope this helps describe what this song means to some of us P bird.

Worsht shong ish "Sell Sock". No it isn't.

Biggest load of shite produced by the Order, IMHO, is Slow Jam. Load of bollocks. I have scratched my CD at the appropriate part so it won't play, that's how bad it is.

Last time we had this vote I plumped for All Day Long and received 1,432 death threats and an empty tube of Pringles through the post. This time I shall expect marriage proposals and free flights to Australia !

Originally posted by Huntsman Hey Marco the Man to me you epitimise the German ethic. No matter how much any one tries to provoke a response you come back like clockwork, respond in a calculated precise manner then leave!!!.... now why can't I do that?Anyway there was this buzzard etc...

:D :D :D

Originally posted by Huntsman > Originally posted by Patrick> Haven't listened to WIM lately but I remember liking it when it came out.>

Patty if your into New Order, and then your into football, and then your into World Cup football, and then your into it when your national team is arguably the best team they've had in decades when your in your own personal prime... then out of nowhere your New Order band happens to do the theme to the World Cup (every 4 years this happens so you could be dead by the next time) of your own national team when they are particularly excellent.

Fucking hell Pat you have to live it to believe it. It's the one moment in NO's history that cannot translate to the States, however, could to the rest of Europe as 99% are footy bonkers.

Hope this helps describe what this song means to some of us P bird.

OK I get the picture, but without all the emotion attached WIM is a pretty crappy song.

Originally posted by Huntsman > Originally posted by Patrick> Haven't listened to WIM lately but I remember liking it when it came out.>

Patty if your into New Order, and then your into football, and then your into World Cup football, and then your into it when your national team is arguably the best team they've had in decades when your in your own personal prime... then out of nowhere your New Order band happens to do the theme to the World Cup (every 4 years this happens so you could be dead by the next time) of your own national team when they are particularly excellent.

Fucking hell Pat you have to live it to believe it. It's the one moment in NO's history that cannot translate to the States, however, could to the rest of Europe as 99% are footy bonkers.

Hope this helps describe what this song means to some of us P bird.

I have to confess you've put it in a new perspective for me, Huntsy, but then that's why I'm always delighted to see your posts.

Originally posted by Brian L' Escargot Worsht shong ish "Sell Sock". No it isn't.Biggest load of shite produced by the Order, IMHO, is Slow Jam. Load of bollocks. I have scratched my CD at the appropriate part so it won't play, that's how bad it is.Last time we had this vote I plumped for All Day Long and received 1,432 death threats and an empty tube of Pringles through the post. This time I shall expect marriage proposals and free flights to Australia !

Although I voted for We All Can't Stand It, there's a strong case to be made for Slow Death.

Murder is er, murder and SOTN is pretty crap. Shame of the Nation was not bad though.

Someone Like You is the worst track on GR IMHO. It's not crap, but it's just so average and bland. At least the crap NO songs are tracks where they're trying to be different. SLY is an average Electronic track and that ain't good enough in my book.

sorry but it has to be 1963 in my book - it's far too MOR -sville

Originally posted by Mario Herlaar thanx velocity girl, i am calming down a bit now.And i really like state of the nation too....Keeper of the minor key, have you ever considered brain surgery?

That's "Major" key... and yes, I have had brain surgery.

I'll remain seated, thank you

We All Stand is a fucking good song ! Great set opener, mellow smokey Ronnie Scott's type vibes and all that jazz. Definitely in my top 10 New Order tracks. You're all wrong :)

1. SHAME OF THE NATION
2. DUB VULTURE
3. TURN THE HEATER ON
4. LIAR
5. MTO

Mmmm, Slow Jam is really really crap. But so are Shellshock an state of the nation.

And now for those spitting on Thieves like us, We all stand and Everything's gone green: this is what you deserve :headoff: These are really great songs.

My vote's for Liar, second would be Avalanche. Otherwise I dig Republic. And take that vote for everyone everywhere back!

Think I listed World In Motion as worst track in a related forum a bit of time ago, but I've also gotta add State of the Nation as something I don't think of as very good. Always skip it when it comes up nowadays on a tape or cd, but there was a time when I didn't half mind it.

Most cack track then, as before: World In Motion

How can people hate shellshock... the intro is genius, and the bits that sound like the cd player has got stuck just add to this!

Every Little Counts We All Stand

Shellshock is the only track I can't really get used to. It's just silly.

A lot of remixes are daft tracks too (the infamous Sly & Robbie version of Runined, the 1963 reworks, the Sub-Culture remix, the Armand Glenn Helder remix of BLT, and so on and so on).

Originally posted by Shug > Originally posted by Seb Briggs> > > > Originally posted by Coen van der Voort> > I'm surprised no one mentioned 'World in motion' yet. Surely SOTN is much better.> > OK, 'World in motion' it is.>

Got a certain emotional attachment to some of us English peoples I should imagine. Every time I hear the song I can picture Gazza shedding a tear vs Gemany.

So do I Sebsy - it brings a tear to my eye as well Fat wife beating overrated piece of shit ;)

Whats John Barnes got to do with it Shugsy?

Seriously mate I love Gazza, for the years 88-91 he was a god. rate him or not - who did you enjoy watching more Gazza or Beckham? No contest really.

Obviously you wouldn't understand coz your a jock ;)

Bring back Joe Jordan

Shellschock State of the fucking Nation Bacon, Lettuce and Tomatos Caressed by the Hand of the Almighty Round & round & round & round & round Mr Disco Young Offender Liar Chemical Avalanche

Rock The Shack is the one song I wish had never seen the light of day, sure, some of the others are bad, but their existence doesn't bother me.

I don't really see a NO song as pure cack... As I said in this 'worst or less good NO song thread' that was closed because it was too long, erm...

:dead:

So, I guess, right now, it sould be 'Slow Jam'...

Originally posted by Shug Archie Gemmell 1978 best international goal of all time.

By a Jock with a name other than Kenny Dalglish.

Originally posted by Shug Thought you might reply to the Gazza bit - Sebsy;)As for who would I rather watch....neither mateArchie Gemmell 1978 best international goal of all time.

I'll second that Shug, what a belter!

Shame they went out in the first round anyway really wasn't it?

Originally posted by Seb Briggs Shame they went out in the first round anyway really wasn't it?

Yeah, and it was even more of a shame that you guys were'nt there!

I enjoyed it all the same, Mario Kempes 30 yard screamers, all that confetti at the start of the games, best World Cup ever I'd say.

Originally posted by Hank Wiseass© I enjoyed it all the same, Mario Kempes 30 yard screamers, all that confetti at the start of the games, best World Cup ever I'd say.

It was the first one I was old enough to remember properly, before the Order came into being.

Originally posted by Muffy > Originally posted by Hank Wiseass©> I enjoyed it all the same, Mario Kempes 30 yard screamers, all that confetti at the start of the games, best World Cup ever I'd say.

It was the first one I was old enough to remember properly, before the Order came into being.

Please mum,please mum,please,please, can I stay up,please,please,please,go on please,please, please, i'll be good all week,please, please, please, I'll go to bed early all next month,please,please,please.

ROCK THE CACK ROCK THE CACK ROCK THE... CAAACK !

It is shite.

Anything from the 2nd side of Republic would get my vote though Young Offender has to take the biscuit.

Hurt + Chemical are both shite.

Worst song: Turn the Heater On

Those who hate Slow Jam must be too young to remember Joy Division. Beats any song on Republic, except for Regret.

I must disagree with the notion that everything from Salvation is crap, Skullcrusher alone rates higher than some of the recent dross particularly the B-sides.

Worst track Behind closed doors

If you would allow us to extend the poll to 'most unwanted track at agig' then

1. Anything from Republic other than Regret
2. Anything from Get Ready other than Crystal
3. Blue Monday (naturally)

Beavis my man,i must agree again with you!? Turn the heater on is an absolutedly fabulous song(cover). Gonna beat them all, tonihihihihihight

OH FUCK OFF THEN!!

ALL NEW ORDER SONGS ARE SHITE!!

EVERY BLEEDING LAST ONE OF THEM - I CAN'T STAND THEM ANYMORE!!!!!

FUCKING HELL - GOD!! I'M FED UP TO THE BACK TEETH WITH GET READY!! REGRET! CRYSTAL! TIPS AND ALISTAIR!! YES- THAT INCLUDES KW1, 1963 (ORIGINAL), BLT (LP VERSION), PERFECT KISS, ETC ETC ETC.... I WILL BE DESTROYING MY ENTIRE NEW ORDER CD LP CASSETTE COLLECTION ON CHRISTMAS DAY, SO IF YOU WANT MY COLLECTION YOU CAN FRIGGIN WELL START QUEUEING UP AND MAKING ME OFFERS AS OF NOW - ESPECIALLY THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVEN'T MUCH OF THE FACTORY ORIGINAL RARITIES!!!

NEW ORDER - THEY NO LONGER MEAN ANYTHING TO MY LIFE - GOODBYE BARNEY, STEVE, HOOKY, GILLIAN.....

Jesus christ, that fucking hurt to get off my chest.

shug, were those responses to martians outrageous claims or your actual thoughts on worst track? Lyrically, Republic beats Get Ready hands down. It's so interesting to hear Barney sing about the fighting and tension within the band and at business meetings. I wish it sounded a little better (more real drums/Peter Hook)

David, Slow Jam has grown on me and i do appreciate the fact that it's not a sing-along like half the album. I will never agree with that fucker Billy Corgan singing a few shit lines on a neworder track. What about effects on a multitracked vocal like the chorus on BLT. Why couldn't barney sing "take my hand..." at the beginning? If you listen to the lyrics, it does not make sense to have another male vocal adding those specific lines. it does not complement the meaning of the song or add anything special. its just a fucking cameo by a mtv rock star. almost like oceans 11 where famous people suck each others cock and talk about how famous they are and how much the enjoy each others work. smashing pumpkins suck.

I really don't get all this hatred against Corgan. Fair enough, he's a knob end, but so are most people in the music industry. Does he really detract from TMW at all? I think not. I actually quite like his voice.

Last chance to vote for We All Can't Stand It!!!!