RESEARCH - HELP NEEDED

To whoever can help;

I am currently doing research on the connection between Nazi Germany and modern music. Can anybody help me with the following, if indeed they apply to this rock group:-

Is there any connection between Nazi Germany's 'New World Order' and the name of this rock group?

If so, are any of the groups songs / lyrics connected to Nazi ideals, i.e. Anti Semitism, Homophobia, Fascism etc.

Are they many right wing followers of the band?

Who chose the name and why? (and do they know what it means)

Do the group or their followers promote / preach any of the Nazi ideals?

Any information would be most appreciated. I am sorry if this particular band have nothing to do with the right wing extremists and I apologise in advance to anyone who may be offended.

All replies will be gratefully accepted.

Regards

Jerry Murphy Tampa, Florida, USA.

Rob Gretton took there name from a newspaper headline he saw "new order of cambodia" if my memory serves me correctly (unlikely!)

Im sure this can be elaborated on by fellow orders :)

although the neo-nazi link is very teneous and frankly a bit old hat now.

Their were also always this kind of talks about thename Joy Division. Apparently that was the name for a certain part of the concentrationcamps where the Nazis could have a go with the Jewish females. But indeed an old hat.

And if there are any Nazi-supporting New Order fans: fuck all of them!!

Originally posted by Mario Herlaar And if there are any Nazi-supporting New Order fans: fuck all of them!!

damn fucking right!! no need for that bullshit.

everyone should just chill the fuck out and have a

Hi Jerry, welcome to NewOrderOnline.com first of all - this is not really what I would call you doing research. You have chosen the easy method (fair play to you on that count), by asking other people their opinions. Research to me, starts by reading things and forming your own thoughts and opinions on the matter. Only after that should you then go forth into the world, and seek other people's difference viewpoints on things. But I guess (or at least hope) that you have already done that.

Made up Quote by (Twat) Anthony H Wilson - Joy Division/New Order have never been, are not, and never will be associated with anything related to Nazi-ismness

Ho ho ho ho Merry Christmas

now we are talking.... I'd like to griond these Nazis to powder and sniff em for breakfast any time, horrible cunts!!!

Time for me to head off to the pub now prior to watching MCFC beat the crap out of Wolves and see The Goat add to his fine tally of 20plus goals this season (hopefully)

You are really wasting your time here, Jerry. Apperantly there is a lot of Nazi crap on the internet, but you won't find it here.

I have a shaved head and i listen to new order.... does that make me Hitler?

in response to the initial question: Look for a book called Tape Delay. It's a collection of interviews from 80's bands and NewOrder's interview focuses on their early Nazi charatarization. Their interview is the last in the book and pretty interesting to anyone interested in the band. I found a copy at Barnes and Noble tonight.

To those who replied thank you some helpful information, I checked out Joy Division and the link between the name and the nazi camps. I find it very strange that the band who wanted to dis associate themselves from the nazi link should tehn choose a name like 'New Order' - but I guess the band have their reasons (personally I think there may be some hidden agenda).

Anyway thank you all

ps This site is littered with bad language there are some many wonderful words in the English langauage, there is no need to use such foul words on this website.

Yours Jerry

Originally posted by Jerry Murphy To those who replied thank you some helpful information, I checked out Joy Division and the link between the name and the nazi camps. I find it very strange that the band who wanted to dis associate themselves from the nazi link should tehn choose a name like 'New Order' - but I guess the band have their reasons (personally I think there may be some hidden agenda).Anyway thank you allps This site is littered with bad language there are some many wonderful words in the English langauage, there is no need to use such foul words on this website.Yours Jerry

Hidden agenda my ass! Taking the piss out of those who tried to label them as nazis more like!

Yeah Jeff, let's do the cunt good and fuckin proper!!

So many beautiful words etc...Christ whats he on about. The most beautiful words are the most offensive

Originally posted by Muffy Yeah Jeff, let's do the cunt good and fuckin proper!!

theres no need for that language Muffy

you could have chosen so many beautiful alternatives

Originally posted by Seb Briggs > Originally posted by Muffy > Yeah Jeff, let's do the cunt good and fuckin proper!!

theres no need for that language Muffy

you could have chosen so many beautiful alternatives

It'll do the little jessie good!

Jerry, I friend of mine interviewed Hooky in 91 for her G.C.S.E's and asked him that actual question. His response was that they are in no way or form involved in Nazism. Unfortunately I only listened to the interview once and that was 11 years ago, so sorry for not being more specific.

When worlds collide! What kind of school does this boy go to? That's almost the funniest incident since Peregrine Underhill or whatever his name was. This is not a typical American specimen that we have here.

Ich Bin ein Kraftwerk.. schnell schnell auf wiedersehn pet vorsprung dursch technik.

etc..

He must attend Texas Christian University or Baylor. Religious freaks congregate at both of these schools. Another reason Texas should be sold or annexed. My guess is he's either really religious or he's my mother. She's the only other person who let's people know when their language could be a little nicer. Good luck on your paper about nazi's. fine subject for a person afraid of a few choice words.

Just remembered something to help out your research. Go to morrissey-solo.com, access the forums, and ask if morrissey is a nazi. that should keep you entertained for at least an hour.

I think Jerry's got a hidden agenda all his own....could be an imposter (Research my ass!). At any rate, what is the Internet for if not for cursing?.....

Dear all,

Thank you for some choice and frank words. I will not be dragged down to your level but i have had a private email from one of your members which states the following:

Can you expalin why the original 12inch cover of the UK release of 'Confusio' sometime in 1983 that if you read between the graphics it says F U C K O F F J E W. Thankyou to the individual who sent me that information I will not reveal their name.

If anybody can email me a picture of this album cover I would be very grateful.

As you people like to leave quotes mine is "All men are equal in the eyes of God"

Thanks all

Gee, who's the rasicist now? Attention Seb and Nic, this is how the destruction of my beloved Atmosphere began. This guy is a fake, I'm sure of it

You've got a level ,Jerry??? confusioncover:if that is what peoiple want to read in it , feel free . i dont think our 4 heroes have got anything to do with that. BTW have you ever read the Bible backwards, upsidedown,in reverse AND in japanese??You'll hear the complete speeches of Adolf. Come on Jerry, go to the seaside and get gangbanged by 40 sailors. Bye bye