Favourite gig

Didnt go to cities in the park but Reading'93 was an outstanding concert, rumoured to be their last ever live show amid rumours of a split - it held a lot of intesity and feeling and i, along with those on the front line savoured every minute of it :)

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hm...i've seen New Order live three times...Germany Loreley 1993, Robbie Williams support 2001 and Cologne Palladium 2001. The Palladium Gig was definitely the best of the three...the only good thing about the 93' gig was that they played Dream Attack...i didn't like the setlist build around Republic material....

Best New Order gig......hmmmmm.

Probably Birmingham 86, though Portsmouth 84 and Hemel Hempstead 85 run it close.

Best other gig......

Manic Street Preachers Cardiff August 2001

i've never seen new order, but my favourite non new order gig would be placebo, at the wolverhampton civic hall last year, and also v2001.

The one where Barney sings in key for every song. :finger: I wouldn't want them to come to the states anyway! :finger:

I've passed three out of four classes, so far Shuggy. I guess an old dog can learn new tricks! Now if I could get the girls to think that I'm not a pervert;)

Don't have a favourite New Order concert - cos they're utter shite live. FACT!

Favourite gig by another band just has to be the godlike SAINT ETIENNE - Manchester University, May 2000. And I met up and chatted with the Divine Goddess Of Slinky Feline Silvakrin Cool herself, Ms Sarah Cracknell, and had a few photos taken with my cheeks resting up against hers.....(and then those of her two equally luscious backing singers Charlotte and Leanne .....) Oh yes. Oh yes indeed.

Oo - er .....I think I've just come........

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Originally posted by Shug > Originally posted by Iain Curtis> The one where Barney sings in key for every song. :finger: I wouldn't want them to come to the states anyway! :finger:> > > I've passed three out of four classes, so far Shuggy. I guess an old dog can learn new tricks! Now if I could get the girls to think that I'm not a pervert;)

Dammit, Shug, I thought you weren't going to read this, you made me waste time saying the same thing twice.:finger:

No, I am too good looking to be considered pervy. But then again, people said Ted Bundy was a good looking man. . .:evil: If they do consider me a pervert they keep that thought to themselves. I get a lot of age jokes, dinner at 3:30 and bed at five, and tell us about the old days, Iain. Though, perhaps the scariest thing is people telling me, "I never would have known you were that old. You seem as immature, obnoxious, and stupid as the rest of those annoying little snots."

Favourite N.O. gig 25th of May 82 still waiting for another one Favourite gigs of someone else: The Stranglers & Andrej Nebb's Depress around 80

Fave NO Show : May 2, 1989 Technique tour, w/Throwing Muses opening. Only Oregon appearance ever for the gang, and the crowd was suitably amped for the performance.

Other band: The Replacements at the I-Beam SF(don't know why, the Mats never played a good show in Portland, and I skipped the infamous show where they shaved their eyebrows before playing, insuring the sweat would run into their eyes. They then proceeded to bring the opening band-Young Fresh Fellows-out to jam w/them, and then proceeded to change clothes with them while onstage. Afterwards, they threw furniture out of the second story window of the club. My friend who went told me it was pretty bad, but pretty funny at the same time. Check the run-out on the vinyl album of Don't Tell A Soul that followed shortly afterwards : Portland......we're sorry). Anyway, the Mats were in fine form w/out being out of control in SF, and the audience responded w/a lot of energy and enthusiasm for a band still struggling to find a wider audience.

Originally posted by Green Fave NO Show : May 2, 1989 Technique tour, w/Throwing Muses opening. Only Oregon appearance ever for the gang, and the crowd was suitably amped for the performance. Other band: The Replacements at the I-Beam SF(don't know why, the Mats never played a good show in Portland, and I skipped the infamous show where they shaved their eyebrows before playing, insuring the sweat would run into their eyes. They then proceeded to bring the opening band-Young Fresh Fellows-out to jam w/them, and then proceeded to change clothes with them while onstage. Afterwards, they threw furniture out of the second story window of the club. My friend who went told me it was pretty bad, but pretty funny at the same time. Check the run-out on the vinyl album of Don't Tell A Soul that followed shortly afterwards : Portland......we're sorry). Anyway, the Mats were in fine form w/out being out of control in SF, and the audience responded w/a lot of energy and enthusiasm for a band still struggling to find a wider audience.

That is awesome. That means you saw Bobby himself in action, right? That probably also means you're older than dirt :) but I always wish I had been born about ten years earlier so i could have caught all those great bands in their heydays, The Mats, NewOrder, The Smiths, REM. I'm so jealous. And biter that we couldn't have today's technology then so there at least would be killer bootlegs.

What was it like to see Paul, et al in their prime? We're talking around Let it Be and Tim correct? Wonderful!!

i'm green with envy

Originally posted by Shug Green - I've honestly never heard of The Replacements mate, who do they sound like?

They were a band from the mid to late eighties that fell in the category of "alternative music" like NewOrder. They don't sound similar to Barney et al but both bands became popular on college radio and didn't get played on popular commercials stations or MTV that much.

The Replacements are what I consider a true rock n roll band and I think that i have heard them described as the world' best bar band. I'm trying to think of how to get you exposed. See if you can find them on audiogalaxy or whatever you use to download music. Their best album generally considered to be Let It Be (beatles ripoff intentional). So look for songs like "unsatisfied", "answering machine", "i will dare", "sixteen blue". I'll be interested to hear what you think, Shug. They rank right up there for me with NO as a classic band. Perhaps Green can enlighten you more.

Originally posted by Shug Green - I've honestly never heard of The Replacements mate, who do they sound like?

Well, Shug, Paul Westerberg was the singer/writer and the band hailed from Minneapolis in the early 80's. Started out as a punk band, but they were always a bit more than yer standard thrash outfit as their first b-side "If Only You Were Lonely" was an acoustic gem with a lyrical twist that seemed beyond the ability of the Circle Jerks, et al.

Basically, they were a blend of punk and pop and some metal and acoustic and some other musical madness (one of my fave songs, Treatment Bound, has all of the band members playing some other instrument rather shakily). The songwriting credits on Mr. Whirly, which steals rather blatantly from a couple of songs, say "Mostly Stolen". The bottom line: they started out as self-effacing punks, but turned out to be a fine example of American indie rock circa the mid-80s along w/R.E.M., Dream Syndicate, Mission of Burma, etc.

In concert they were famed for playing a variety of covers as the mood fit them, which meant anything from X to Thin Lizzy to Led Zep to the US Marines fight song to Black Sabbath, often stopping part way through a song. This is my fave line from their bootleg tape liner notes, which is one such night: Sorry about the writing credits. We assume all the songs were copywrighted in the year they were written by those who wrote them. Whoever they were. Sheer drunken genius

One of the Replacements has been playing w/Axl Rose in the new Guns and Roses edition, Tommy Stinson, which is not a good thing.

It was pretty nice seeing the Mats in their prime, Iain, and for the record, I'm only 40, that's not too old ;) . Don't mean to torment you any more, but I had to pull out their only bootleg, the semi-official "The Shit Hits The Fans" while reading this thread. Bob certainly seemed to be more in tune w/the other guys in the band, and his demise was very sad for me.

Don't listen to Westerberg's solo stuff much, I'm afraid, but the Mats will never die in my mind and heart. Oh yeah, I freakin' hate the Goo Goo Dolls!!!!!!! First time I heard that song of theirs "I won't tell them your name", I thought it was nice that Paul was finally going to get a hit, but I was very annoyed when I found out that someone had ripped them off shamelessly for their own profit. Lock, stock and fucking barrel. What a bunch of wankers.

Originally posted by Green It was pretty nice seeing the Mats in their prime, Iain, and for the record, I'm only 40, that's not too old ;) . Don't mean to torment you any more, but I had to pull out their only bootleg, the semi-official "The Shit Hits The Fans" while reading this thread. Bob certainly seemed to be more in tune w/the other guys in the band, and his demise was very sad for me. Don't listen to Westerberg's solo stuff much, I'm afraid, but the Mats will never die in my mind and heart. Oh yeah, I freakin' hate the Goo Goo Dolls!!!!!!! First time I heard that song of theirs "I won't tell them your name", I thought it was nice that Paul was finally going to get a hit, but I was very annoyed when I found out that someone had ripped them off shamelessly for their own profit. Lock, stock and fucking barrel. What a bunch of wankers.

Green,despite my whining I do have two Mats boots- Shit, Shower, and Shave from Bristol, CT and It ain't over unitl the fat roadies play from their last gig in chcago '91. The last song is hootenany, which in the spirit of the original apparently the mats were replaced at their instruments one by one by their roadies and that ended the whole deal. I have all of paul's solo stuff (including the IMHO horrid granpaboy). It's pretty good I think, not the same as mats prime stuff, but there's crap mixed within the good. I do have when the shit hits the fans. If you're interested maybe I could get you some of it (I don't know maybe cdrs or something). Despite living in Bowling Green, OH for the bulk of my tender adolescence we had a really good record store that got really good boots and indie type stuff. I got a JD boot there and the JD warsaw stuff.

And I agree Bob's life was tragic. I wish I had been blessed with such talent. There are a couple websites of mats stuff, they had a picture of his wedding. It's sad when people can't appreciate their talents,though i've been accused of that myself (not that I'm guitar virtuoso or songwriting genius).

I even read that twin tone is remastering their mats stuff to make it better (i think it's supposed to be out now but i have no idea how to find it). I moved to the glorious city of Akron, Oh this fall and haven't gone looking for a record store yet. And there's very vague talk of putting out a lot of unreleased stuff in a box. It was on Rolling Stone.com.

So Twin/Tone is remastering their old disks? That oughta be interesting since I read somewhere that the band threw the masters of their past catalog into the Mississippi River just before they signed w/ Sire/Warner Bros. Very glad to hear that you have "The Shit Hits...". That tape reminds me of all of the fun I ever had at their gigs, even post-Bob.

Think I read that part about throwing the tapes into the river from the old Option magazine. It could have just been a leverage ploy w/Twin/Tone to get a great deal on their back catalog.

Originally posted by Green So Twin/Tone is remastering their old disks? That oughta be interesting since I read somewhere that the band threw the masters of their past catalog into the Mississippi River just before they signed w/ Sire/Warner Bros. Very glad to hear that you have "The Shit Hits...". That tape reminds me of all of the fun I ever had at their gigs, even post-Bob. Think I read that part about throwing the tapes into the river from the old Option magazine. It could have just been a leverage ploy w/Twin/Tone to get a great deal on their back catalog.

They actually refute that in the rolling stone article. Something about that they didn't have the actual masters. They said that twintone was talking to reprise/sire about putting out a total compilation of unreleased stuff (that box set I think). Perhaps if we sent tons of e-mail to twintone and sire.

Did you hear that paul covered "nowhere man" by the beatles for the new sean penn film? he left his record company. don't know what he's doing beyond.

Mine would be Poly of Central London in 85, closely followed by Reading 98 and Leeds in early 85.

New Order: Reading 98 and the Olympia this year (while I'm not as down on Reading 93 as Jarvo, the atmosphere was, its fair to say, "strange"...)

Non-N.O.: Stone Roses (Sheffield 95), Mazzy Star (Manc 94), Spiritualized (Glastonbury 93), Cocteau Twins (Manc 96), The Sundays (Leicester 92), Tindersticks (Manc 2001), Verve (pre-The (ie, when they were good) Stoke 92) and, quite possibly, The Pogues at Manc Academy last Saturday. No, really!!!!!

Weren't The Replacements that band who wore those Frank Sidebottom type big heads ? Remember them being in an edition of Record Mirror circa Sept 87 - only bought it cos there was an expose on Barney's misbehaviour on the late 86 US tour.....

Bad behaviour? Tell more, Jauncey Boy.....

Originally posted by martin fradley Bad behaviour? Tell more, Jauncey Boy.....

The atricle revolved around Barney's being seen early one morning with two giggling teenage Santa Barbara girls, and made some allegations about his fidelity whilst on tour. I think the article caused quite a few waves.....

If you toickle them in the right places, all girls from Santa Barbara giggle and their honey-brown skin goes all goosepimpley. Allegedly.

This is the article that prompted his divorce, right?

Originally posted by Socrates El Orificio Ectoplasm Weren't The Replacements that band who wore those Frank Sidebottom type big heads ? Remember them being in an edition of Record Mirror circa Sept 87 - only bought it cos there was an expose on Barney's misbehaviour on the late 86 US tour.....

I think you're thinking of The Residents

Best New Order gig: Wolverhampton Civic Hall 1986 Best non-NO gig: tough to choose between Blue Aeroplanes, Manchester International 1990 / Galaxie 500, Manchester Boardwalk 1990 and Stone Roses, Manchester Apollo 1995 - the tour where most of the press said they were shit but were in fact awesome

Originally posted by Ken Brough > Originally posted by Socrates El Orificio Ectoplasm> Weren't The Replacements that band who wore those Frank Sidebottom type big heads ? Remember them being in an edition of Record Mirror circa Sept 87 - only bought it cos there was an expose on Barney's misbehaviour on the late 86 US tour.....

I think you're thinking of The Residents

haha yes you're right :) Appropriate signature !

Re: Cocteaus - That's right, Jarvo. Around that time there was a lot of the more ambient-leaning sections of the dance crowd getting into the band, and the gigs reflected this. On the 96 tour, the band were becoming ever more experimental, re-working old classics in an Aphex Twin- stylee. Amazing stuff. Also, like New Order gigs, because of their longevity the Cocteaus attracted an incredibly diverse audience.

Re: Roses 95. Like the man Brough says, this tour was astonishing. Still upsets me to think how it all went so horribly wrong when those Xmas gigs were SO special. Convinced me they were still the best band in the world, anyway....(NB - having given up on the Order ever returning at this point, natch).

M.

Oh, and the Pogues. If you ever had a soft spot for Shane and the boys get yourselves along to the reunion gigs this week. MacGowan might be a fat bastard these days, but they Pogue as good as they ever did. Seriously.

Best NO Brixton Academy in all categories - playing, set list, atmosphere, in between chat "don't worry I'll think of something else to say in a minute" didn't say anything else all night! Closely followed by 10th Summer at GMex and Glastonbury 1987.

Best non NO: Pogues last night, Manchester Apollo just like a timewarp back to 1987, the Pogues are once again an unbelievably good live band.

The down side to the gig was realising just how lazy NO were at the same venue in October, the difference in sound quality was like comparing a bootleg with a CD. The Pogues played with a few amps stuck on the floor, New Order should be able to sound check without the band. Theres professionalism for you.

Before you ask Brixton 1987.

Originally posted by Socrates El Orificio Ectoplasm > Originally posted by Ken Brough> > > > Originally posted by Socrates El Orificio Ectoplasm> > Weren't The Replacements that band who wore those Frank Sidebottom type big heads ? Remember them being in an edition of Record Mirror circa Sept 87 - only bought it cos there was an expose on Barney's misbehaviour on the late 86 US tour.....>

I think you're thinking of The Residents

haha yes you're right :) Appropriate signature !

Oh please don't get me started on The Residents (even if I do keep bangin' on about Stereolab and Saint Etienne all the time whenevr these threads pop up....) - they're one of my all time favourite bands - absolute fucking genius! And with a back catalogue and legacy to kill for!!!

I rue the day I missed The Residents playing two nights at the Royal Festival Hall only two months ago - I couldn't get down there due to travelling difficulties - and the tcikets were still available for one of the dates - a mere £15 a throw - grrrr... I feel sick to the back teeth about that, yet another missed opportunity seeing as I have never ever seen them or their eyeballs live. Doh!

Best NO gig has to be the first time I saw them at the Tower Ballroom in Brum. Lots of things stand out:

• The dancefloor had palm trees on it
• They came on stage about an hour after my last train home
• They played Thieves Like Us and did Ceremony and Temptation back to back
• They said 'we might be a pop group but you're a fucking wanker' to a heckler in the crowd
• Hooky walked through the crowd before the gig
• I met my step sister again for the first time in years

All in all, everthing you could wish to hope for from an NO experience.

The best non New Order gig was probably Kraftwerk just because you realised you were actually watching living legends.

Originally posted by Shug Cheers to Iain,Green & Marty - I'll definately have to seek out one of their albums - which should I go for first?

Either Let It Be or Tim to start off with. The latter has one of the most incredibly sad songs I've ever heard, "Here Comes A Regular". Like Iaid said, the greatest bar band of all time. I'm sure I'll ask you to recommend some British bands to me, cause I don't have much of a handle about things over there anymore.