How much are they worth?

I know it's not about the money but since not too much is known about this, what would you estimate Barney's, Hooky's and Steve and Gillian's personal wealth to be? Hooky's always moaning about not having a pot to piss in and we all know about Factory but still they must have made a fair few quid by now...

My uneducated guesses would be:

Barney: pushing £1 million

Hooky: £600,000

Steve and Gillian: £500,000

These might seem low but I'm factoring in the Factory, the Hac, Dry etc.!

I would imagine you are way under with these figures. Probably as much as 5x under. Not that it is any of our business!!

oldmonkey wrote: I would imagine you are way under with these figures. Probably as much as 5x under. Not that it is any of our business!!

Er, why is it none of our business? As fans we're stakeholders in the band and it's a legitimate enquiry. Don't be so precious!

They have more money than ME.Thinking of  opening a bar called SKINT!

Quite  frankly I don't see how this is any of our business.  I just don't get people who think that the band have to justify anything to us.  Do you want to subject them to a full accounting.  Just how are you a stakeholder.  Are you a former Factory shareholder?

Enjoy the music, or don't.  Take it or leave it.  No need to invade their privacy.

Ronald Kirsch wrote:

Quite  frankly I don't see how this is any of our business.  I just don't get people who think that the band have to justify anything to us.  Do you want to subject them to a full accounting.  Just how are you a stakeholder.  Are you a former Factory shareholder?

Enjoy the music, or don't.  Take it or leave it.  No need to invade their privacy.

Nothing wrong with a bit of speculation about the size of the lads' respective wedges. And as it happens yes, I think the Barnster, Hooky, Steve and Phil have a moral obligation to make their accounts available to all NOOL forum members on an annual basis - if I'm buying singles and albums and concert tickets I want to ensure that they're not frittering it away on bags of charlie and pernod etc. Afterall, as a stakeholder, it's my right.

Nah, I don't think it's any of our business either. They produce the music, we buy it but that doesn't give us the right to peek into their private affairs. They owe us nowt.

Andrew wrote:

Nothing wrong with a bit of speculation about the size of the lads' respective wedges. And as it happens yes, I think the Barnster, Hooky, Steve and Phil have a moral obligation to make their accounts available to all NOOL forum members on an annual basis - if I'm buying singles and albums and concert tickets I want to ensure that they're not frittering it away on bags of charlie and pernod etc. Afterall, as a stakeholder, it's my right.

They earned it they can fritter it away on what they like. All in all I was quite happy with the Pernod and Coke days.

Should imagine Steve and Gillian are worth more than the other two.

After all, they've basically owned HALF of all New Order products, which will be worth more than Hooky's quarter (and his offshoots) and Barney's quarter plus Electronic.

Also, I doubt the Morrises shoved quite as much up their noses! ;o)

Anyways, 500k sounds like a rather naive figure for the Morrises - surely the average late forty something in this country is worth that in property prices alone ... especially if you live in a farmhouse in Derbyshire with acres of land and a studio attached!

of course its our buisness to know, without FANS there would be no NEW ORDER.

they owe to us, not to shy us away as strangers trying to peek into their private life, such as income... ahaha that income is our  money

so dont be so anal, this is a fan site. and a fan site wants to know as much as they can to be more of a fan. make sense?[^o)]

of course its our buisness to know, without FANS there would be no NEW ORDER.

they owe to us, not to shy us away as strangers trying to peek into their private life, such as income... ahaha that income is our  money

so dont be so anal, this is a fan site. and a fan site wants to know as much as they can to be more of a fan. make sense?[^o)]

All you brown-nosers out there...who are you trying to impress??? Personally, I think it is kind of interesting to know whether or not these guys are worth millions or not...Do you think the band is reading these messages and are thinking...."Wow, that lad just stood up for me and told that wanker that my finances were nobody's business ......we better wire a hundred tickets to their address immediately and find out who they are!  They must be saints!!!"

Please...get real people...

Please of please New Order do send me all the concerts tickets you like.

I suppose you guys want their adresses as well.  Ok I'm happy to oblige.  Try somewhere in the north of England.  You know that big island just off europe.

Ronald Kirsch wrote:

Please of please New Order do send me all the concerts tickets you like.

I suppose you guys want their adresses as well.  Ok I'm happy to oblige.  Try somewhere in the north of England.  You know that big island just off europe.

Isle of Man?

I know for a fact that they all just get their weekly allowance of £60 which Rob started for them years back. That can buy a few pints and some nice ciggys you know !! - it is not about the money - just the music , packaging , TW's jag and having some nice trainers. God love em !!

ROCKET MICK wrote: They have more money than ME.Thinking of  opening a bar called SKINT!

Will Izzy be joining you?

Shug wrote:

But it's the questioner's rite as a man to be called Loretta from here on in[&]

As a man - or woman

I am sure they are comfortably well off, but anyway its about their music not the size of their bank accounts! tututut...

Worth their weight in Gold.

Revised estimates:

Barney: £6 million

Hooky: £5 million

Steve & Gillian: £5 million

Andrew wrote: Revised estimates:

Barney: £6 million Hooky: £5 million Steve & Gillian: £5 million

Why do you assume that Barney and Hooky are worth more, or the equivalent of, Steve & Gillian PUT TOGETHER?

Steve & Gillian own HALF of New Order, which is worth considerably more than Barney's half of Electronic, and more than Hooky's 98% share in Monaco/Revenge.

Am I the only one who did Maths in school?

Ally3000 wrote: Hahahahah, I can't tell whether you're joking or simply full of shit here.  I agree with the first part of your post, a bit of speculation does no harm... But the remainder of your post is liquid manure, quite literally.  Making their accounts available to us?  No, you must be joking it's the only explanation!  The band aren't a fucking Limited company mate, they're a band that make music.  Simply because you have fished Brotherhood out of the bargain bin or paid for a live ticket doesn't make you a stakeholder in fucking anything!  Stakeholder would imply you have some control, which you do not.

I do detect a whiff of bullshit so if you're purposely winding people up, nice one.  Worked a treat this time lol.  But if you're not.... bloody hell.

Ally.

What on earth are you on about!?

Bet they don't have as much dosh as JOHNNY GILES.Or as many SCARVES!

Shug wrote:

Andrew wrote: Revised estimates:

Barney: £6 million Hooky: £5 million Steve & Gillian: £5 million

Dunno how you reached them figures Loretta ;-) , but do you seriously think Hooky and Barney would be doing the DJ Sets if they had £5 million in the bank? Gies Peace.

Alright, well to take Barney, a property in Nether Alderley is going to be pushing £1million + the contents and cars etc. then you take into account earnings from releases, concerts and the back catalogue so I'd put it in the region of £3-6 million. I'm not sure that the ownership of New Order is exactly equal: Barney is far more influential than say Gillian was so I can't see him being happy at getting the same whatever the official line is. I'm speculating here, but if others know better then let's see some numbers from you...

Andrew wrote:

Alright, well to take Barney, a property in Nether Alderley is going to be pushing £1million + the contents and cars etc. then you take into account earnings from releases, concerts and the back catalogue so I'd put it in the region of £3-6 million. I'm not sure that the ownership of New Order is exactly equal: Barney is far more influential than say Gillian was so I can't see him being happy at getting the same whatever the official line is. I'm speculating here, but if others know better then let's see some numbers from you...

I'd have thought every New Order release from Movement to Get Ready, as far as the band was concerned, was split 4 ways between them.

Do you honestly believe Barney garnered, say, 38%, Hooky 32%, Steve 21%, Gill 9%?

Of course you don't.

The first release Gillian won't make any monies out of will be WFTSC.

Monster wrote:

Andrew wrote: Revised estimates:

Barney: £6 million Hooky: £5 million Steve & Gillian: £5 million

Why do you assume that Barney and Hooky are worth more, or the equivalent of, Steve & Gillian PUT TOGETHER?

Steve & Gillian own HALF of New Order, which is worth considerably more than Barney's half of Electronic, and more than Hooky's 98% share in Monaco/Revenge.

Am I the only one who did Maths in school?

no but half this lot did "math" not maths...  [:S]

It's a bit like rubber necking at a RTA wanting to know how much NO are worth, you know you shouldn't but just can't help yourself.

I agree that they are probably an equal four way split, but remember they also had Rob Gretton taking a share, teh most expensive artwork and most of their careers controlled by Tony Wilson.  That's enough to bankrupt them.

I think BS and Hooky do the DJing cos they love performing not cos they need the money, you'll be suggesting next that Steve needs to sell free range eggs on his farm to keep the family fed.

Andrew wrote:

Alright, well to take Barney, a property in Nether Alderley is going to be pushing £1million + the contents and cars etc. then you take into account earnings from releases, concerts and the back catalogue so I'd put it in the region of £3-6 million. I'm not sure that the ownership of New Order is exactly equal: Barney is far more influential than say Gillian was so I can't see him being happy at getting the same whatever the official line is. I'm speculating here, but if others know better then let's see some numbers from you...

I think that Barney gets more from the publishing rights than the other 3 - rights are often split into lyrics & music, so he should get most of the lyric money to himself.  How they split the music rights I wouldent have a clue - but i'd like to think its a 4 x 25% split

When oyu think about it tho - Barney should be made PAY the others for some of his lyrics - they can be so bad they put people off buying the records[:#]

Theyve been in the buisness 30 years nearly. Common sense tells you they dont need to worry about finances nowdays,even if they did get 'screwed' by Factory-theyve had 3 albums out on a major,plus a couple of compilations that probably sold well-and the side projects were all major label releases. It has,as rightly been pointed out none of our buisness or concern-do NewOrder have the right to know how much we earn? No. I think they have earned the right to be worth a few quid and not be asked about it.

I think they can figure out how much ROCKET and I earn (being redundant an' all... [] )

Who gives a Toss?

Monster wrote:

Andrew wrote:

Alright, well to take Barney, a property in Nether Alderley is going to be pushing £1million + the contents and cars etc. then you take into account earnings from releases, concerts and the back catalogue so I'd put it in the region of £3-6 million. I'm not sure that the ownership of New Order is exactly equal: Barney is far more influential than say Gillian was so I can't see him being happy at getting the same whatever the official line is. I'm speculating here, but if others know better then let's see some numbers from you...

I'd have thought every New Order release from Movement to Get Ready, as far as the band was concerned, was split 4 ways between them.

Do you honestly believe Barney garnered, say, 38%, Hooky 32%, Steve 21%, Gill 9%?

Of course you don't.

The first release Gillian won't make any monies out of will be WFTSC.

Everything was split 4 ways, then the band each paid Rob a fifth, so effectively everything was split 5 equal ways.

Yeah but Barney had Electronic (on a major label) and that should have netted him some additional.  Hooky prolly made a few pounds from Monaco.  I doubt that Gillian would get her "share" for Get Ready or WFTSC seeing as how she's not credited.

Not sure I care how much each is worth but I do think that these should be factored in for exercise purposes.

hydrapelican wrote: Yeah but Barney had Electronic (on a major label) and that should have netted him some additional.  Hooky prolly made a few pounds from Monaco.  I doubt that Gillian would get her "share" for Get Ready or WFTSC seeing as how she's not credited.

Was Gillian not credited on Get Ready? I thought it just said 'New Order' which is neither here nor there.

Barney indeed had Electronic which, for argument's sake, he split 50-50 with J.Marr.

Electronic produced 3 albums, New Order produced 7 studio albums and various collections in Gillian's time with  the band. Electronic did less than 10 gigs worldwide, New Order did 100's. I think it's fair to share that Gillian's 25% share of New Order is bigger - much bigger! - than Barney's 50% of any Electronic product. And New Order still sell to this day, Electronic do not.

Yeah, it makes you wonder - Barney wearing the same trainers for years etc. I remember Hookey had to be quick in a interview 'cos he had to take a camera back to Argos before it closed - doesn't sound like someone worth £5m! Gies a brek!

Agree that there is not a huge difference between them (unless they invested differently).  My point was just that no one had mentioned Electronic which was on a major label and therefore both Barney and Marr probably got some sort of advance or guarantee up front.

I also don't think that Electronic's contribution is nearly as big as NO's but its certainly not peanuts either.

Anyway...thats all I have to say about other people's money

hydrapelican wrote: Electronic...was on a major label and therefore both Barney and Marr probably got some sort of advance or guarantee up front.

Which would have to be recouped first before they saw any royalties. So, I doubt that they're swimming in cash, but I'm sure the publishing royalties aren't entirely negligible.

The Krafty One wrote:

All you brown-nosers out there...who are you trying to impress??? Personally, I think it is kind of interesting to know whether or not these guys are worth millions or not...Do you think the band is reading these messages and are thinking...."Wow, that lad just stood up for me and told that wanker that my finances were nobody's business ......we better wire a hundred tickets to their address immediately and find out who they are!  They must be saints!!!"

Please...get real people...

laughin my nads off .new order must be minted at last,and so they should be.otherwise why would they have signed to a major label,obviously not for credibility,obviously jetstream is deeply embarrassing to the new order fan,and reading between the lines, warner are insisting it be released as a single,shamelessly targeting the main singles buying market i.e. 11-15 year old girls...but alas theres fuck all you can do when  dosh  is the main pursuit.factory it aint.looks like either turn or wftsc,or both will remain largley unexposed,shame, but its all about the green and ponces who know how to get it off kids,waterman/cowellesque style...Krafty is fuckin class though..total wild stab in the dark i'd guess they had 15million between them +properties and alot more to come as many new bands are referring to them  as influence,so those bands young fans will be checkin em out and back catologuing new order.wonder whats in it for phil cunningham in future sales??the jammy nowt.bet the barnster has that angle covered,a jonny come lately wont get a quarter surely.id play with em for zip,i'd even bum hooky if i had to.but i would walk off stage if ihad to play jetsream there are limits

OK I'd just like to thank each and everyone of you for taking this (non linked) post over the one thousand views mark. The sheer level of interest in this post confounds those who said 'we don't care' or those who were playing the role of NO saints etc. Fans do want to know this and it's safe to assume that they're all worth over a million with the upper range extending to £5-6 million and with Barney as the wealthiest member.

Andrew wrote: Fans do want to know this and it's safe to assume that they're all worth over a million with the upper range extending to £5-6 million and with Barney as the wealthiest member.

Have you read anyone's input here at all? How can one half of New Order (Steve and Gillian) be worth LESS than a quarter of New Order PLUS half of Electronic (Bernard)?

Someone needs some maths lessons.

I rad in sound on sound magazine about ten years ago that the bloke who wrote the theme for match of the day earns a 6 figure sum from the PRS royalties, if you think about how much advert, TV and movie work NO have done over the years, I should think they have got a few million from  PRS alone.

Monster wrote:

Andrew wrote: Fans do want to know this and it's safe to assume that they're all worth over a million with the upper range extending to £5-6 million and with Barney as the wealthiest member.

Have you read anyone's input here at all? How can one half of New Order (Steve and Gillian) be worth LESS than a quarter of New Order PLUS half of Electronic (Bernard)?

Someone needs some maths lessons.

Nah, it's my belief that Barney gets a slightly bigger cut than the rest; and the first Electronic album was huge.

Andrew wrote:

Nah, it's my belief that Barney gets a slightly bigger cut than the rest; and the first Electronic album was huge.

Er, it might be your belief, but it's a FACT that New Order divvied up four ways.

Now, the first Electronic album might've been huge, but how many New Order albums did it actually out sell? And New Order, with Gillian had SEVEN studio albums, and a fair few compilations. Electronic had just three albums. The initial Electronic album would've had to rival Dark Side of the Moon for Barney to earn more off Electronic than Gillian earned off her quarter of New Order.

Publishing rights are split into music and lyrics; the former is equally shared but as the main lyricist Barney gets most of the latter.

Pernod wasn't cheap, nor Holsten Pils, reckon Barney down to his last 2 mil