Track by track scrutiny#1 Turn.

Opening riff reminds me of Supergrass.

Wax lyrical...

I've already said so much.

The lyrics.

The music.

The singing.

It's perfect.

Except, as Muffy noted, it seems to end too quickly.

The song is 99.9% perfect.

The 0.1% is due to the "in the corner over there" lyric.

Otherwise, it's fucking genius.

"In the corner over there" is a low point but "The sky is high the road is long" is a highlight which sends shivers done the spine - possibly the best bit of the album? Puts a smile on my face, a glorious track.

Wasimple wrote: "In the corner over there" is a low point but "The sky is high the road is long" is a highlight which sends shivers done the spine - possibly the best bit of the album? Puts a smile on my face, a glorious track.

Is it "high"? I thought it was "hard"?

It doesnt end too quickly... well yes it does but thats part of its beauty, genius is never overstated, the fact it seems to cut off in its prime makes it all the more endearing.

DoN wrote: It doesnt end too quickly... well yes it does but thats part of its beauty, genius is never overstated, the fact it seems to cut off in its prime makes it all the more endearing.

I do actually agree with that. It's part of the perfection. It's amazing they didn't ruin it somehow.

which kinda leads me to believe that it shouldnt be a single and perhaps thats why they wont release it as a single. It doesnt need remixing or changing in any way shape or form.

Krafty is the ideal candidate as is Jetstream for "tinkering" but Turn aint!

DoN wrote: which kinda leads me to believe that it shouldnt be a single and perhaps thats why they wont release it as a single. It doesnt need remixing or changing in any way shape or form.

Krafty is the ideal candidate as is Jetstream for "tinkering" but Turn aint!

I agree with all of that too.

Wasimple wrote: "In the corner over there" is a low point but "The sky is high the road is long" is a highlight which sends shivers done the spine - possibly the best bit of the album? Puts a smile on my face, a glorious track.

It's funny, this line is one of the only parts of the tune that grates a little. To me, it embodies Barney's 'clutching at the cliche book' method of penning lyrics. Too obvious.

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depthcharge wrote:

Wasimple wrote: "In the corner over there" is a low point but "The sky is high the road is long" is a highlight which sends shivers done the spine - possibly the best bit of the album? Puts a smile on my face, a glorious track.

It's funny, this line is one of the only parts of the tune that grates a little. To me, it embodies Barney's 'clutching at the cliche book' method of penning lyrics. Too obvious.

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Which line, DC?

"The sky is high, the road is long."

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depthcharge wrote: "The sky is high, the road is long."

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As I said in an earlier post, I always heard it as "hard," not "high." But given my apparent mistake in hearing "Van Gogh," what do I know.

Don't take this the wrong way Patsy, but don't you have a job to go to? Your posting recently has been nothing short of wildly prolific and by my rough timezone estimates you should be earning a keep about now. It's entirely entertaining of course, but I just don't get it.

But back on track, I believe it is 'high'.

Kind of as you'd expect a sky to be.

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Well, DC, the next time I listen to track 10, I will definitely focus on trying to decide whether it is "high" or "hard."

I'd ask you about bees Ally, but humans only have a life expectancy of 80 years.

Ally3000 wrote: Get Ready only got 2 singles (HTS doesn't count) and I really hope WFTSC gets 3 at the very least because there are a wealth of strong "pop" tracks on it. So far we've had Krafty, it's obvious Jetstream is next... so what about single #3?? I vote for Turn or Morning Night And Day.

Ally.

Jetstream is confirmed for May and WFTSC is being pencilled in for August, according to our contact at Warner AU.

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And can I just interject that George Mathinson, our friend inside, has admitted that the re-mix maxi-pack variety pack of Free Range Eggs is going to be released in China on Gypsy Disks.

Although he didn't say whether they would be distributed via the usual Warnsby / Taiwan Terry packaging house.

Head's up for a great sound though chaps!

I'll probably regret this but Ally; 'remix fest'?

Do you mean - 'set of baffling bananas loosely associated with the original material spread across fifty nine similar looking disks?'

How did the last meltdown occur again?

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Just had a look at the lyrics on this site and it seems to me that a few are incorrect.

The falling night believes should be Their falling like the leaves

Listening through months and years should be Days turned into months and years

In cold blood we don't care should be Its cold but we don't care

Hey, DC, since you publicly denounced Pastie's recent post extravaganza he's disappeared from view.

I hope he hasn't attempted to consume the largest vessel of coffee ever brewed to contemplate the why's and wherefores of the modern road vehicle.

DoN wrote: Just had a look at the lyrics on this site and it seems to me that a few are incorrect.

The falling night believes should be Their falling like the leaves

Listening through months and years should be Days turned into months and years

In cold blood we don't care should be Its cold but we don't care

Don't mean to be picky, but it would be "They're falling like the leaves."

Welcom back to the spelling bee, P.

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depthcharge wrote: Welcom back to the spelling bee, P.

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I believe that should be "welcome," DC.

Oh. Believe I saw a regional variation in another thread.

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DoN wrote: Just had a look at the lyrics on this site and it seems to me that a few are incorrect.

The falling night believes should be Their falling like the leaves

Listening through months and years should be Days turned into months and years

In cold blood we don't care should be Its cold but we don't care

Don't mean to be picky, but it would be "They're falling like the leaves."

Ok so my spelling is shit but you know what I mean! ;)

depthcharge wrote: Oh. Believe I saw a regional variation in another thread.

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You must have been hallucinating, DC.

I'll be filing away all such indiscretions, P. Heard they're collectors' items.

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depthcharge wrote: I'll be filing away all such indiscretions, P. Heard they're collectors' items.

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Well, nobody's perfect, DC. We all make mistakes from time to time. I'm not ashamed to admit it.

Can we clear the leaves up? - I always wondered what this lyric spoke to us all.

And is it me, or does Bernard sing 'turn your eyes from me, I want you to know, that I know'.

Because if so, I think that's a great line.

The falling leaves are one of the many brilliant things about this track: "The walls are tumbling down, they're falling like the leaves." The world is ending, I am dying...

depthcharge wrote: Welcom back to the spelling bee, P.

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Actually, I wouldn't ordinarily correct someone's spelling, DC, but I didn't want the lyrics on this site to end up wrong.

Would it be possible for the members to combine their mental strength to formulate the exact lyric ...

Huntsman wrote: Would it be possible for the members to combine their mental strength to formulate the exact lyric ...

For the whole song, H?

Patrick wrote:

Huntsman wrote: Would it be possible for the members to combine their mental strength to formulate the exact lyric ...

For the whole song, H?

Well, now you've said it; why not?

Here are the current lyrics with the one correction we have been discussing. I don't vouch for the rest:

Turn

It's a hard way to come home You've got me on my knees The walls are tumbling down They're falling like the leaves

Listening through months and years I can't forget that you were here I feel your presence everywhere In the corner over there

Turn your eyes from me It's time for me to go Across the hills and over the sea I want you more than I know

It's a wild world out there And nobody gives a damn In cold blood we don't care And we don't want to understand

I'm sitting here alone at night My sleepless eyes are open wide What do you want me to say What we had has gone away

The sky is high the road is long Show me what I should have done What do you want me to do Take it all away from you

Turn your eyes from me It's time for me to go Across the hills and over the sea I want you more than I know

Turn your eyes from me It's time for me to go Across the hills and over the sea I want you more than I know

There's an 'official' lyric book with the Japanese issue of the album. Anyone got it?

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Yes, but it all seems Chinese.

Turn:

It’s a hard way to come home You’ve got me on my knees The walls are tumblin’ down They’re falling like the leaves

Days turn into months & years I Can’t forget that you were here I feel your presence everywhere In the corner over there

Turn your eyes from me It’s time for me to go Across the hills & over the sea I want you more than you know

It’s a wild world out there & nobody gives a damn in cold blood we don’t care and we don’t want to understand

I’m sitting here alone at night my Sleepless eyes are open wide What do you want me to say What we had has gone away The sky is high the road is long Show me what I should have done What do you want me to do Take it all away from you?

Turn your eyes from me It’s time for me to go Across the hills & over the sea I want you more than you know

Turn your eyes from me It’s time for me to go Across the hills & over the sea I want you more than you know

(hows that?)

Patrick wrote: Here are the current lyrics with the one correction we have been discussing. I don't vouch for the rest:

Turn

It's a hard way to come home You've got me on my knees The walls are tumbling down They're falling like the leaves

Listening through months and years I can't forget that you were here I feel your presence everywhere In the corner over there

Turn your eyes from me It's time for me to go Across the hills and over the sea I want you more than I know

It's a wild world out there And nobody gives a damn In cold blood we don't care And we don't want to understand

I'm sitting here alone at night My sleepless eyes are open wide What do you want me to say What we had has gone away

The sky is high the road is long Show me what I should have done What do you want me to do Take it all away from you

Turn your eyes from me It's time for me to go Across the hills and over the sea I want you more than I know

Turn your eyes from me It's time for me to go Across the hills and over the sea I want you more than I know

took me so long to reply that you already had your lyrics in Patrick - the only difference is : 'the days turn into months & years'

'It's time for me, to go'

Could anyone of the lyricists offer a suitable explanation for this - after altering my perception of the entire song.

Patrick wrote:

Actually, I wouldn't ordinarily correct someone's spelling, DC, but I didn't want the lyrics on this site to end up wrong.

I think P's at the end of his patience with me.

First my unmentionable comment, then I queried whether he was working today and now I've broached his impeccable grammar. Think I'll go fix a snack before my fettling costs me my season ticket.

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Ally3000 wrote:

Huntsman wrote: Can we clear the leaves up? - I always wondered what this lyric spoke to us all.

And is it me, or does Bernard sing 'turn your eyes from me, I want you to know, that I know'.

Because if so, I think that's a great line.

To me that line sounds:

"Turnin' your eyes from me, it's time for me to go. Across the hills and over the sea, I want you more than you know".

I say "turnin'" because he clearly misses a G, I'm not just listening to the Country & Western version.

Ally.

Its definatly "Turn" your eyes from me, he just extends the word over 2 bars.

plus "Turnin" is 2 syllables which would sound offkey for that chorus

depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote:

Actually, I wouldn't ordinarily correct someone's spelling, DC, but I didn't want the lyrics on this site to end up wrong.

I think P's at the end of his patience with me.

First my unmentionable comment, then I queried whether he was working today and now I've broached his impeccable grammar. Think I'll go fix a snack before my fettling costs me my season ticket.

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My major concern, DC, was being suspected of correcting other people's spelling for no good reason.

How could I be angry with you? You're one of my favorite Australians.

Also I would like to point out that the version Hooky played at Turnmills last year varied from what was released on the album.

The line "I feel your presence everywhere In the corner over there"

was originally

"I feel your presence everywhere crazy from your poison stare"

Personally I like the poison stare line, sounds much more like the Barney of old!

DC, I don't think I've managed in 14 years to spot a grammatical error that Pastie has performed, and that's without re-editing his posts! I have tried, and recently. I pointed out that he may have missed a 'the' or an 'or' out his post about cream cakes and it was only a few minutes later that I realised that I'd committed the biggest fatty known to wood-lice.

For a few moments, I thought my attempt to rupture his text would go unnoticed, but I was very very wrong.

There is no real moral to this tale, and I don't really have a decent punchline.

Sometimes, when I reflect on this post, I often wonder whether I should have worked just a little bit harder on the end bit.

It could have been good, I could have made it better.

Huntsman wrote: 'It's time for me, to go'

Could anyone of the lyricists offer a suitable explanation for this - after altering my perception of the entire song.

... I'd say this was a perfectly legitimate question.

Patrick wrote:

How could I be angry with you? You're one of my favorite Australians.

Dare I ask: how many do you know?

By the way, you may want to fix up 'favourite' before H causes another scene.

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DoN wrote: Also I would like to point out that the version Hooky played at Turnmills last year varied from what was released on the album.

The line "I feel your presence everywhere In the corner over there"

was originally

"I feel your presence everywhere crazy from your poison stare"

Personally I like the poison stare line, sounds much more like the Barney of old!

Obviously Bernard had problems with this couplet we could rewrite it for him

something like 'I feel the presence of your stareyour eyes follow me everywhere'

rhymes & fits in with the sentiment

CuanaD wrote:

Patrick wrote: Here are the current lyrics with the one correction we have been discussing. I don't vouch for the rest:

Turn

It's a hard way to come home You've got me on my knees The walls are tumbling down They're falling like the leaves

Listening through months and years I can't forget that you were here I feel your presence everywhere In the corner over there

Turn your eyes from me It's time for me to go Across the hills and over the sea I want you more than I know

It's a wild world out there And nobody gives a damn In cold blood we don't care And we don't want to understand

I'm sitting here alone at night My sleepless eyes are open wide What do you want me to say What we had has gone away

The sky is high the road is long Show me what I should have done What do you want me to do Take it all away from you

Turn your eyes from me It's time for me to go Across the hills and over the sea I want you more than I know

Turn your eyes from me It's time for me to go Across the hills and over the sea I want you more than I know

took me so long to reply that you already had your lyrics in Patrick - the only difference is : 'the days turn into months & years'

I didn't do mine from scratch, Cuana, I just copied what was already on this site.

depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote:

How could I be angry with you? You're one of my favorite Australians.

Dare I ask: how many do you know?

By the way, you may want to fix up 'favourite' before H causes another scene.

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You can't resist can you DC ... remember, the Americans have variations on the English language:

Crisps = Chips

Vegetable = Hamburgler

and

Colour is Coloring

You have to wonder why they chose Australia to deposit the criminals of England. Mexico would have been better, preferable tortillas and a better all round climate.

DoN wrote:

The line "I feel your presence everywhere In the corner over there"

was originally

"I feel your presence everywhere crazy from your poison stare"

Personally I like the poison stare line, sounds much more like the Barney of old!

Agreed! The 'poison stare' may not make a lot of sense but it had an edge. 'In the corner over there' is, well, neither here nor there.

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Huntsman wrote:

Huntsman wrote: 'It's time for me, to go'

Could anyone of the lyricists offer a suitable explanation for this - after altering my perception of the entire song.

... I'd say this was a perfectly legitimate question.

I believe, H, that what he's trying to say is that it is time, for him, to go.

Huntsman wrote:

Huntsman wrote: 'It's time for me, to go'

Could anyone of the lyricists offer a suitable explanation for this - after altering my perception of the entire song.

... I'd say this was a perfectly legitimate question.

"turn your eyes from me, its time for me to go"

'dont look at me when i'm going'

he's embarrased to go while he's being watched

something along the lines of, she's crying & he cant go while she looks at him 'like that' ?

depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote:

How could I be angry with you? You're one of my favorite Australians.

Dare I ask: how many do you know?

By the way, you may want to fix up 'favourite' before H causes another scene.

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Well, there's you, and CTB, and lots of actors and tennis players, although it probably wouldn't be fair to say I really know them.

I can't quite fathom why he would wish to go, who he's going from and why he would be embarrassed if somebody watched him leave the premises.

Other than that I've got the song nailed.

Patrick wrote:

depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote:

How could I be angry with you? You're one of my favorite Australians.

Dare I ask: how many do you know?

By the way, you may want to fix up 'favourite' before H causes another scene.

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Well, there's you, and CTB, and lots of actors and tennis players, although it probably wouldn't be fair to say I really know them.

He may have meant the spelling favorite favourite

see?

CuanaD wrote:

Patrick wrote:

depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote:

How could I be angry with you? You're one of my favorite Australians.

Dare I ask: how many do you know?

By the way, you may want to fix up 'favourite' before H causes another scene.

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Well, there's you, and CTB, and lots of actors and tennis players, although it probably wouldn't be fair to say I really know them.

He may have meant the spelling favorite favourite

see?

Where exactly in "Turn" does "favourite" appear?

CuanaD wrote:

Obviously Bernard had problems with this couplet we could rewrite it for him

something like 'I feel the presence of your stareyour eyes follow me everywhere'

rhymes & fits in with the sentiment

Isn't it a syllable too many?

How about:

"Weasels dancing everywhere Are we at the Marske Food Fayre?"

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Patrick wrote:

CuanaD wrote:

Patrick wrote:

depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote:

How could I be angry with you? You're one of my favorite Australians.

Dare I ask: how many do you know?

By the way, you may want to fix up 'favourite' before H causes another scene.

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Well, there's you, and CTB, and lots of actors and tennis players, although it probably wouldn't be fair to say I really know them.

He may have meant the spelling favorite favourite

see?

Where exactly in "Turn" does "favourite" appear?

You are really trying to confuse me now

I think the point was that you wrote "favorite Australians" & depthcharge picked up on the americanised spelling of favourite.

Pretty sure it was meant as a joke, but at this stage - its just not funny anymore:D

Spotnick wrote:

Major Tarantino wrote:

The song is 99.9% perfect.

The 0.1% is due to the "in the corner over there" lyric.

Otherwise, it's fucking genius.

I still struggle to bypass that part of the lyrics actually... c'mon, anybody would have done better than this... even the future/computer rhyme is better!

Admittedly, it's the weakest thing in the song.

Spotnick wrote:

Patrick wrote:

Spotnick wrote:

Major Tarantino wrote:

The song is 99.9% perfect.

The 0.1% is due to the "in the corner over there" lyric.

Otherwise, it's fucking genius.

I still struggle to bypass that part of the lyrics actually... c'mon, anybody would have done better than this... even the future/computer rhyme is better!

Admittedly, it's the weakest thing in the song.

Well, it's a good tune yes, still behind the title track on my list though...

Perhaps it helps to appreciate Turn if English is your first language, because apart from that line, the lyrics are really extraordinarily beautiful and moving.

im sure it sounds like "turn and your eyes follow me" on the 2nd chorus.

Do you think Barney even knows the words to these songs? I doubt it

no one's mentioned how much the opening sounds like Every Beat of the Heart by The Railway Children. "That's an angry sky behind me"...Railway Children with guest guitarist, Chris Isaac.

i agree that it has that Chris Issak twang to it. One of the first things I thought when I heard it...along with it sounding like the more evolved brother of Hey Now What You Doing (by way of some Neil Young).

I think it's the worst track on the album. It's completely bland, with a bridge that needs killing with guns.

Think Patrick just spilt his morning Cream of Watercress Bisque.

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Yes indeed.

I wouldn't like to be wearing David Stetsons gunslinging outfit when P rides in on that mule. It ain't nice to laugh at a man's donkey.

For the moment, at least, I'm taking the position that this falls in the category of Muffy telling the world that Slow Jam was his favorite track on GR. Of course, this isn't Muffy (unless he's changed his name again).

Huntsman wrote: It ain't nice to laugh at a man's donkey.

Is it OK to have a chuckle at his ass?

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Patrick wrote: For the moment, at least, I'm taking the position that this falls in the category of Muffy telling the world that Slow Jam was his favorite track on GR.

I'm not quite sure what this means.

I'm not saying it to be controversial, but both Turn and Krafty sound incredibly forced when compared with the rest of the album. They feel like they're New Order's attempt to be relevant without being "too New Ordery" and thus they suffer terribly. In fact, I'd guess that Turn and Slow Jam aren't so far removed in terms of the creative process that went into them. They're certainly pretty similar in terms of quality.

Dave Stephenson wrote:

Patrick wrote: For the moment, at least, I'm taking the position that this falls in the category of Muffy telling the world that Slow Jam was his favorite track on GR.

I'm not quite sure what this means.

I'm not saying it to be controversial, but both Turn and Krafty sound incredibly forced when compared with the rest of the album. They feel like they're New Order's attempt to be relevant without being "too New Ordery" and thus they suffer terribly. In fact, I'd guess that Turn and Slow Jam aren't so far removed in terms of the creative process that went into them. They're certainly pretty similar in terms of quality.

Everyone's entitled to his own opinion.

What if you're female?

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depthcharge wrote: What if you're female?

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I'm relieved to see you haven't gone to bed yet, DC. If you're female, you are certainly entitled to have an opinion as well. Do you have any particular female in mind, DC? Maya, perhaps? I'm quite certain she has her own opinions on everything.

Well she sounds like she has a fair few opinions but your statement leaves me a little unclear as to whether she's entitled to them?

Of course I'm up, I've got spaghetti on the go and I'm bidding on a clutch of NO treats on eBay. What a night.

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depthcharge wrote: Well she sounds like she has a fair few opinions but your statement leaves me a little unclear as to whether she's entitled to them?

Of course I'm up, I've got spaghetti on the go and I'm bidding on a clutch of NO treats on eBay. What a night.

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I tried to clarify that in my response to you, DC.

Have you voted on the bells, yet, DC? Or is that too personal a question?

Good luck with the spaghetti and the e-bay.

You may not have intended to, DC, but you've revealed that you like spaghetti. Or at least that you eat it. Or perhaps only that you prepare it.

Spaghetti, AND pizza.

And let's not forget, DC has elaborated on occasion his liking of the modern sci-fi movie.

Huntsman wrote: Spaghetti, AND pizza.

And let's not forget, DC has elaborated on occasion his liking of the modern sci-fi movie.

Perhaps I wasn't paying attention that day, H. Any specific movie?

I think the genre as a black hole P, but perhaps he can expand on his preferred galactic battling. I wouldn't like to suggest that he liked Star Growlers stole my Flight Path when in reality he enjoyed Venus Fitters 2 better.

Huntsman wrote: I think the genre as a black hole P, but perhaps he can expand on his preferred galactic battling. I wouldn't like to suggest that he liked Star Growlers stole my Flight Path when in reality he enjoyed Venus Fitters 2 better.

I will await further clarification from the source after the spaghetti has been consumed.

As an aside, it seems a shame that your recent bell topic is hanging by a thread - it may be that the entire concept is solely dependent on your pioneering efforts.

The crisp bag that blew past Steve Morris' house could be the key to it all, to my recollection the only comment made by the weaving spaghetti merchant on the matter.

At the very onset you mentioned that a great revelation had occurred, that all NO albums were concepts. Is this a theory you have abandoned?

I haven't abandoned it, H, but I confess I haven't pursued it either. It just seemed that since WFTSC is so clearly a thematic whole, that there is a good chance the same is true of the others as well, since they do in fact all tend to have their own distinctive "sound" (in at least the case of Brotherhood, a bad sound). People have also frequently commented about distinctive "sides" (in the case of Brotherhood and Technique). But as I say I haven't pursued the theory any further.

Dang, I missed the 3-track UK '1963' 12" promo by a solitary dead president but ended up victorious in the heavyweight battle for the sexy '?' Best Of promo box-set. You win some, you lose some, I guess. Stay tuned for my upcoming stoush for the French Weatherall 'Regret' CD promo. I see Spotnick's name in the bidding so things could get a little nasty.

I did consume the bowl of spaghetti P, so you can chalk that one up on the revealing profile you must now have on me.

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I'll now be turning my attention to the pressing bells' issue. I'm a little conscious of sending Hanky's thread here to Spaghetti City, a place where few ever return.

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We did forget, he collects NO merchandise like some kind of frenetic mongoose.

That's quite a tally thus far.

My guess his that he also smokes a pipe, owns a pair of trousers two men could squeeze their waist into and probably runs to work on a reinforced lawn mower.

Huntsman wrote: We did forget, he collects NO merchandise like some kind of frenetic mongoose.

That's quite a tally thus far.

My guess his that he also smokes a pipe, owns a pair of trousers two men could squeeze their waist into and probably runs to work on a reinforced lawn mower.

Yes, the "frenetic collector" aspect of the profile may be the most telling point yet, H.

Do you have any specific basis for your other speculations, H? If not, that's fine too. It could provoke him into unintended revelations.

That was the ploy; hit the man (woman?) with a few oddballs and gauge his reaction. I banked a lot on the lawn mower gag potentially spiraling into an accidental admission of car type.

Amateur psychologists would indeed focus on the consistency of collection throughout his years on the ship.

I don't think he's a compulsive disorderist, but he may just have a life size version of Darth Vader in his bunker - which could be more worrying.

Very worrying indeed.

Between the two of you and your Oscar-and-Felix themed investigation techniques, you almost bumbled upon a clue back there.

The image I have of Huckler is a guy pedalling like there's no tomorrow down the Old Marske Road in a set of village corduroy, knee-high explorer socks and hearty sandals, perhaps with a handkerchief knotted around his head. He's being chased by crows.

As for Patisserie, he's suffers from sleep disorders and spends his waking hours flicking through copies of George magazine, ironing his ties and ordering soup from fine restaurants, although he's very frugal in his tipping. He also likes shopping for a new thesaurus and watching old Matlock episodes.

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Back where, DC?

Come now P, I'm not likely to give up the ranch that easily.

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depthcharge wrote: Come now P, I'm not likely to give up the ranch that easily.

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Spaghetti? Frenetic collector? Life-size Darth Vader statue in the kitchen?

Not much resistence to my analysis of your lot in life P. I must either be painfully close or you're playing your old, dog-eared diversion card.

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depthcharge wrote: Not much resistence to my analysis of your lot in life P. I must either be painfully close or you're playing your old, dog-eared diversion card.

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You are 100% correct on all your guesses, DC.

Think H's speechlessness is a testament to my profiling expertise as well.

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depthcharge wrote: Think H's speechlessness is a testament to my profiling expertise as well.

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Perhaps he's working on his review of WFTSC.

Perhaps his bike chain snapped and he's being pecked to bits.

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depthcharge wrote: Perhaps his bike chain snapped and he's being pecked to bits.

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You know, DC, I really admire the way you go back and tinker like this to make sure your work product is just right.

Sometimes it helps to jolt a reaction out of half-asleep critters.

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depthcharge wrote: Sometimes it helps to jolt a reaction out of half-asleep critters.

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I haven't seen Romper Stomper, DC, but I believe your comparison is apt.

And your thoughts on QAF?

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depthcharge wrote: And your thoughts on QAF?

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Actually, DC, it is not a show that I watch regularly. For some reason I happened to see that episode and I thought it was striking that all these years after 1987, True Faith could still be used so effectively as the soundtrack to a climactic celebration.

depthcharge wrote: And your thoughts on QAF?

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I realize you've gone to bed, DC, but is this a sign of a return to a more serious frame of mind?

I don't know if this is at all relevant, as Bright Lights Big Bulb is not considered an 'art house' film per say, but perhaps the most touching use of Tooth Paste was squeezed alongside the popular time traveller M J Fox as he crumbled under the duress of drug mismanagement in one of the key scenes in the show. If the moment is yet unseen, I would implore you to view it.

When NYC is captured correctly, the ambience is electronically charged.

Huntsman wrote: I don't know if this is at all relevant, as Bright Lights Big Bulb is not considered an 'art house' film per say, but perhaps the most touching use of Tooth Paste was squeezed alongside the popular time traveller M J Fox as he crumbled under the duress of drug mismanagement in one of the key scenes in the show. If the moment is yet unseen, I would implore you to view it.

When NYC is captured correctly, the ambience is electronically charged.

I know I read the book; did I see the movie? I'm not sure. As I recall TF was also used in the film of American Psycho. Which reminds me, speaking of Bret Easton Ellis film versions, have I already asked you, H, whether you've seen The Rules of Attraction?

I liked Rules of Attraction.

I also like the way Hustler has quietly accepted the small portrait I painted of him here on a previous page. I suspected as much for a while.

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depthcharge wrote: I liked Rules of Attraction.

I also like the way Hustler has quietly accepted the small portrait I painted of him here on a previous page. I suspected as much for a while.

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I'm utterly delighted to hear you liked Rules of Attraction, DC. Would you care to elaborate?

Rules of Attrition? - I do enjoy a recommendation.

Huntsman wrote: Rules of Attrition? - I do enjoy a recommendation.

Consider it recommended, H. I hope you like it better than I liked The Ring. They are very different movies. Rules of Attraction is good.

And let that slightly boisterous comment mark the official beginning of a more robust Pastie (note that's robust, and not rotund).

I hesitate to be a pest, H, but how's your review of WFTSC coming?

I simply don't recognise Patsy today. Vague, hints of obstreperosity, forthright, mildly ill-tempered even. Did the Soup Nazi deny you a hot bowl down in NYC recently?

I enjoyed ROA. I even enjoyed Avery's previous work on Killing Zoe, although film buffs tend to reconfigure their faces into a sneer when I admit as much.

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depthcharge wrote: I simply don't recognise Patsy today. Vague, hints of obstreperosity, forthright, mildly ill-tempered even. Did the Soup Nazi deny you a hot bowl down in NYC recently?

I enjoyed ROA. I even enjoyed Avery's previous work on Killing Zoe, although film buffs tend to reconfigure their faces into a sneer when I admit as much.

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I don't recognize your characterization of me, DC. I'm in a fine mood today.

I haven't seen the other Avery work you mention, DC. Do you have any interest in a detailed discussin of ROA, or would that be too personal? It's actually one of my favorite movies.

Gentlemen, if my psychic prowess is to a maximum (I feel it is today) then I conclude that Monday was in fact the day when Pastie was a little agitated, where Tuesday saw a better mood shift and today encapsulates a delightful spring in the step.

I may be mistaken, but it would be very, very doubtful.

And to answer both of the long running questions:

'Yes' I intend to turn my attention to the Amazonian review at some point and 'Yes' DC's description of my general character and attire was spot on.

Patrick wrote: Do you have any interest in a detailed discussin of ROA, or would that be too personal? It's actually one of my favorite movies.

Discussin'?

And getting rather colloquial too.

I caught ROA very early in its cinematic run and as a result can recall only vague details. But I would have qualified it as one of my favourite films of ... 2002?

I also hesitate to discuss it further here, given that it was, at some stage, Hanky's thread about track 10.

Perhaps Hunter should open up an open-slather thread in Behind Closed Doors for this sort of unrelated data? Film 2003 with Hunstman and Guests was such a piece of art.

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You're almost never wrong, H, especially about me.

We were hoping the review was almost done. At this rate how is it going to help the album's sales?

Can art be imitated?

But agreed, Hanky deserves respect, even if he is a fruit bowl.

It's quite noisy behind closed doors, we'll have to see.

depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote: Do you have any interest in a detailed discussin of ROA, or would that be too personal? It's actually one of my favorite movies.

Discussin'?

And getting rather colloquial too.

I caught ROA very early in its cinematic run and as a result can recall only vague details. But I would have qualified it as one of my favourite films of ... 2002?

I also hesitate to discuss it further here, given that it was, at some stage, Hanky's thread about track 10.

Perhaps Hunter should open up an open-slather thread in Behind Closed Doors for this sort of unrelated data? Film 2003 with Hunstman and Guests was such a piece of art.

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If there's anything going on at BCD that I should know about, I hope someone will let me know.

If you haven't seen ROA multiple times, DC, there's really no point in having a discussion about it.

depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote: Do you have any interest in a detailed discussin of ROA, or would that be too personal? It's actually one of my favorite movies.

Discussin'?

And getting rather colloquial too.

I caught ROA very early in its cinematic run and as a result can recall only vague details. But I would have qualified it as one of my favourite films of ... 2002?

I also hesitate to discuss it further here, given that it was, at some stage, Hanky's thread about track 10.

Perhaps Hunter should open up an open-slather thread in Behind Closed Doors for this sort of unrelated data? Film 2003 with Hunstman and Guests was such a piece of art.

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Don't mind me, I find it a little precious to be worried about such piffling details as what the thread is supposed to be about.

My most sincere apologies, Hank. Do you think you can find it in your heart ever to forgive me?

Patrick wrote: My most sincere apologies, Hank. Do you think you can find it in your heart ever to forgive me?

What for? Providing me with entertainment?

Being a DJ I love Guilt is a useless emotion and Turn coming right after keeps me grounded. I give them both the # 1 slot because they're both great but completely different.

My pick for 3rd place is Qaiting for the Siren's Call.

Overall the album gets a 7 on a 10 scale...but that's after the first listen.

eCKOh

Tommy Horan wrote: Being a DJ I love Guilt is a useless emotion and Turn coming right after keeps me grounded. I give them both the # 1 slot because they're both great but completely different.

My pick for 3rd place is Qaiting for the Siren's Call.

Overall the album gets a 7 on a 10 scale...but that's after the first listen.

eCKOh

Most people find it improves a lot on later listens.

Patrick:

I always find that the albums improve after a few listens.

But it does get a touch boring in between Krafty and Jetstream.

I find myself jumping after Krafty to Guilt.

It's NEW ORDER and that's all that matters to me.

By the way I spent $40 to have the LP sent to me so...I'm not complaining.

My favorite album is still LOW LIFE and will probably always be.

eCKOh

Tommy Horan wrote: Patrick:

I always find that the albums improve after a few listens.

But it does get a touch boring in between Krafty and Jetstream.

I find myself jumping after Krafty to Guilt.

It's NEW ORDER and that's all that matters to me.

By the way I spent $40 to have the LP sent to me so...I'm not complaining.

My favorite album is still LOW LIFE and will probably always be.

eCKOh

Tommy, do you play from track 8 until the end of track 11?

Patrick,

Since I just bought it yesterday I listened to it 2 times and now I go from 1-4 then 9-11.

I've always done that and then I go back and listen to the others to get into them as well.

Some tracks jump at me and then others need more attention.

That's just how I do.

eCKOh

Tommy Horan wrote: Patrick:

I always find that the albums improve after a few listens.

But it does get a touch boring in between Krafty and Jetstream.

I find myself jumping after Krafty to Guilt.

It's NEW ORDER and that's all that matters to me.

By the way I spent $40 to have the LP sent to me so...I'm not complaining.

My favorite album is still LOW LIFE and will probably always be.

eCKOh

Thanks for your message, Tommy. Most people also find, I believe, that they end up liking track 7 quite a bit. A few people (including me) are quite fond of 5, and track 6 at least has some good lyrics, if nothing else about it appeals to you. Low-Life is my favorite as well.

Tommy Horan wrote: Patrick,

Since I just bought it yesterday I listened to it 2 times and now I go from 1-4 then 9-11.

I've always done that and then I go back and listen to the others to get into them as well.

Some tracks jump at me and then others need more attention.

That's just how I do.

eCKOh

I didn't realize you were including Jetstream in the dull patch, Tommy. The first time I heard it I hated it, but now I think it is really well-done.

Patrick:

I don't hate Jetstream but to me it's overshadowed by Guilt right now. It's an OK track but nothing phenomenal.

#7 Dracula's Castle is cool it's the next one I'll be delving into.

Like I said I just got it...so It takes me about a week to really get into all the songs.

eCKOh

Tommy Horan wrote: Patrick:

I don't hate Jetstream but to me it's overshadowed by Guilt right now. It's an OK track but nothing phenomenal.

#7 Dracula's Castle is cool it's the next one I'll be delving into.

Like I said I just got it...so It takes me about a week to really get into all the songs.

eCKOh

Tommy, I agree that Guilt is very well done. Let me know how you like the rest as you keep listening.

Patrick:

To be honest I kinda miss some of the darker stuff they used to do which really showcased Hooky's bass.

eCKOh

Tommy Horan wrote: Patrick:

To be honest I kinda miss some of the darker stuff they used to do which really showcased Hooky's bass.

eCKOh

Tommy, which particular things are you thinking of?

Patrick:

I miss tracks like Leave me alone, Your silent face, Age of consent, love vigilantes, sunrise and stuff like that.

Feel me??

eCKOh

Tommy Horan wrote: Patrick:

I miss tracks like Leave me alone, Your silent face, Age of consent, love vigilantes, sunrise and stuff like that.

Feel me??

eCKOh

Tommy, indeed I do. The first one you mention has long been my very most favorite NO song. It has been slightly bettered by Turn, but it took a long time for that to happen. AOC is also brilliant, as are LV and Sunrise. Excellent choices.

Patrick:

I dont think I would compare Leave Me Alone to Turn.

I think they have a completely different sound and I'm not sure I'll ever put Turn on the same level as Leave Me Alone.

To each his own my friend.

Long live Manchester music.

I wanna open a club here and call it the Hacienda.

peace

eCKOh

Tommy, perhaps you are right. It may just be the enthusiasm of the moment that has made me feel this way. I certainly didn't mean to take anything whatsoever away from Leave Me Alone. I continue to think it is a completely outstanding achievement. The two songs do have one thing clearly in common: they both give me chills whenever I listen to them. How are you liking the various tracks on WFTSC after listening to them some more?

P-Trick:

I make names up for ppl once I get to know them so dont mind me.

I'm as excited about the new album as you are so I get what you're saying.

I didnt listen to the album last night

I'm on it again now.

I'll give you my 2 cents in a bit...hahaha

eCKOh

Tommy, no problem with the nickname. People call me lots of different things. I like your version, actually. Let me know what you think after you've listened a few more times.

P-TRICK:

I'm afraid to ask what they call ya man.

lmao

eCKOh

Tommy Horan wrote: P-TRICK:

I'm afraid to ask what they call ya man.

lmao

eCKOh

Tommy, well, some people on this board call me Pasty. Heaven knows why.

Surely this is self explanatory?

Pasty???

People got issues...

you must be ghostly white then

Hey Hunt:

Was with the Empanada???

eCKOh

The what?

I just wanted to showcase what a real genuine English pastie looked like. It's warm, friendly and delicious, which is why it was named after Patrick.

Tommy, apparently in H's part of the world, the pictured item is referred to as a "pasty" or perhaps "pastie." What all that has to do with me is anybody's guess.

I think you'll find it's mostly 'Pastie', as in the steaming Cornish snack item depicted above. He probably is fairly pale of complexion, but there's no need to get personal with 'Pasty'.

I've also heard Patsy, Pats and Pastry around the traps. He's fairly versatile with it all.

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Huntsman wrote: The what?

I just wanted to showcase what a real genuine English pastie looked like. It's warm, friendly and delicious, which is why it was named after Patrick.

You're far too kind, H. Do pasties tend to like New Order?

I've tried to post an explanation.

depthcharge wrote: I think you'll find it's mostly 'Pastie', as in the steaming Cornish snack item depicted above. He probably is fairly pale of complexion, but there's no need to get personal with 'Pasty'.

I've also heard Patsy, Pats and Pastry around the traps. He's fairly versatile with it all.

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Probably.

Huntsman wrote: I've tried to post an explanation.

As to whether pasties like NO?

Patrick wrote:

Huntsman wrote: The what?

I just wanted to showcase what a real genuine English pastie looked like. It's warm, friendly and delicious, which is why it was named after Patrick.

You're far too kind, H. Do pasties tend to like New Order?

Well, if you can imagine the wholesome nostalgia Mom's apple pie has in America, then that might go some way of explaining the meaning of an English pastie (or pasty). It is a very popular 'snack', and there is no doubting that NO will enjoy one almost weekly (other UK members may acknowledge this).

Bakery shops in the UK are vastly popular, 'all' of them sell pasties. What I'm trying to say is that they are like the English equivalent of a Big Mac in popularity, without the hideous ecological sting.

You know very well that was not my question, H.

OK I get it now...Not a bad thing.

I thought it was a skin tone reference.

Fair enough.

As for the album they coulda done without track 11.

eCKOh

Patrick wrote:

depthcharge wrote: I think you'll find it's mostly 'Pastie', as in the steaming Cornish snack item depicted above. He probably is fairly pale of complexion, but there's no need to get personal with 'Pasty'.

I've also heard Patsy, Pats and Pastry around the traps. He's fairly versatile with it all.

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Probably.

So you're not actually as accepting of it all as you let on?

'P-Trick' I feel suggests that Pats may enjoy executing a few windmills and backspins on the cardboard in the Bronx. It doesn't rest so easy with my assumptions.

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Patrick wrote: You know very well that was not my question, H.

Well, what do you mean?

:(

Huntsman wrote:

Patrick wrote: You know very well that was not my question, H.

Well, what do you mean?

:(

^There's a collector's item.

Men without hats.

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Huntsman wrote:

Patrick wrote: You know very well that was not my question, H.

Well, what do you mean?

:(

I asked whether pasties like NO and you answered that NO probably like pasties. You don't need to get offended, H.

I feel like an English pig, roasted on a spit by my American brethren.

Tommy Horan wrote: OK I get it now...Not a bad thing.

I thought it was a skin tone reference.

Fair enough.

As for the album they coulda done without track 11.

eCKOh

H will be very happy you said that about track 11.

Huntsman wrote: I feel like an English pig, roasted on a spit by my American brethren.

I think you're getting carried away, H. Not that it's never happened before.

Patrick wrote:

Huntsman wrote: I feel like an English pig, roasted on a spit by my American brethren.

I think you're getting carried away, H. Not that it's never happened before.

I can't take any more ...

depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote:

depthcharge wrote: I think you'll find it's mostly 'Pastie', as in the steaming Cornish snack item depicted above. He probably is fairly pale of complexion, but there's no need to get personal with 'Pasty'.

I've also heard Patsy, Pats and Pastry around the traps. He's fairly versatile with it all.

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Probably.

So you're not actually as accepting of it all as you let on?

'P-Trick' I feel suggests that Pats may enjoy executing a few windmills and backspins on the cardboard in the Bronx. It doesn't rest so easy with my assumptions.

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"probably is fairly pale of complexion"

Patrick wrote:

I asked whether pasties like NO and you answered that NO probably like pasties. You don't need to get offended, H.

Hustler hasn't been offended in any way since those bigwigs at the Redcar council removed the statue of Jebediah Marske from the town square.

But he went close in '98 with Episode I.

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Just to interrupt the current flow - P, have you noticed that the 'bell' project now has '16' for and a might '10' against?

That's a ratio of almost 2:1 that cannot hear a discernible bell sound.

Does that have any major impact on the current condition of human thought?

I can't imagine P-Trick breakdancing in my area simply because it's hard to find that these days unfortunately most of us are too old for that $hat.

I used to know a Patrick and they called him P-Tricky instead of P-Diddy as a sarcastic joke since noone really likes Diddy.

I just cut the Y off and thus P-Trick...

We all have aliases in the music biz.

eCKOh

Patrick wrote:

"probably is fairly pale of complexion"

Is this a coded denial of the assumed flesh tone, or are you just upholstering the fabric of mystery around yourself P?

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Huntsman wrote: Just to interrupt the current flow - P, have you noticed that the 'bell' project now has '16' for and a might '10' against?

That's a ratio of almost 2:1 that cannot hear a discernible bell sound.

Does that have any major impact on the current condition of human thought?

I recognize that the margin of victory for bells over no-bells has declined somewhat from where it once was, H, and I don't pretend I'm pleased about it. I will not become truly concerned until the vote starts going the other way.

Patrick wrote:

Huntsman wrote: Just to interrupt the current flow - P, have you noticed that the 'bell' project now has '16' for and a might '10' against?

That's a ratio of almost 2:1 that cannot hear a discernible bell sound.

Does that have any major impact on the current condition of human thought?

I recognize that the margin of victory for bells over no-bells has declined somewhat from where it once was, H, and I don't pretend I'm pleased about it. I will not become truly concerned until the vote starts going the other way.

Are you serious?? You guys are nuts....

eCKOh

Cripes P your being optimistic over the longevity of the bell thread (although admittedly, it has been nothing short of an epic in its own bread bin).

I'd be surprised if the chimes aren't silenced quite soon unless Big Nigel comes out of his meeting about ghosts.

Tommy Horan wrote: Are you serious?? You guys are nuts....

eCKOh

No, 'nuts' is another guy altogether.

He looks like this:

nuts

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I'm procrastinating now but I've just realised that P has worried that I recently went too far which I've now associated to my pig comment. Can I just say that pigs are beautiful animals and that DC was correct in his assessment that the only agitation I have recently experienced is during the misuse of a rabbit in Episode 1.

depthcharge wrote:

Tommy Horan wrote: Are you serious?? You guys are nuts....

eCKOh

No, 'nuts' is another guy altogether.

He looks like this:

nuts

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I thought that chap rode around under the title of Nutz?

Maybe there is another ... another nut.

He wouldn't be the last.

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And he won't be the first.

No I was saying u guys are nuts and the smiley was ur confusing me with it.

lunchtime boyz

lataz

eCKOh

Huntsman wrote: And he won't be the first.

Speaking of which, where's your superb montage gone Hustler?

I was on the verge of decyphering the full metaphorical meaning from it all.

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I spent quite a while on it DC but I removed it.

It's complex, don't say you haven't been warned.

Huntsman wrote:

Well, if you can imagine the wholesome nostalgia Mom's apple pie has in America, then that might go some way of explaining the meaning of an English pastie (or pasty). It is a very popular 'snack', and there is no doubting that NO will enjoy one almost weekly (other UK members may acknowledge this).

I can kind of confirm this, Wotack.

When someone has a birthday here in my office, tradition dictates that they telephone the local BAKERY and ask for a selection of pies to be sent to the office. The selection normally includes eight or so types of warm savoury pastry, including PASTIES. Being Scottish, however, everyone up here calls the PASTIES bradies, as that is their proper Scottish name.

There are around 100 people in this office but not everybody observes the practice. Some people, their birthdays falling on similar dates, share a tray of pies. The result is that we get pies about once a week.

As there are four members of New Order, and assuming none of their birthdays are on the same day, it is likely that a tray of pies (including, statistically, half a PASTIE) would arrive once every three months. Providing the pies are shared fairly, each member would consume one full birthday PASTIE every four years. In 25 years, they have therefore eaten just over five pasties each. Of course, this does not allow for personnel changes; I am treating Gillian and the new bloke as one person who changed sex and appearance a couple of years back. As, I believe, do the rest of the band.

Right, can anyone remember what I’m on about?

That's not bad Norman, but I think DC might have his own thoughts on the montage which could slightly differ.

That's not to say that your theory didn't have its moments, of course.

Tommy Horan wrote: No I was saying u guys are nuts and the smiley was ur confusing me with it.

lunchtime boyz

lataz

eCKOh

Actually, Tommy, I was in the process of writing you an explanation of the fact that a lot of joking goes on here, but I got interrupted. It's usually harmless, though.

'Usually'.

That 'Patrick's father' comment is haunting me again I see.

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Huntsman wrote:

It's complex, don't say you haven't been warned.

Hmmm ...

If I were to toss a few silverjacks off the side of the boat for the kippers, then ring the ship's bell a few times to attract the deepsea theorists, I expect we could rack up another 9 pages of pyscho-analysis over H's piece of post-modernist pop-art, before Pats' kettle whistles again.

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depthcharge wrote: 'Usually'.

That 'Patrick's father' comment is haunting me again I see.

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Actually, DC, I assure you I was not referring to that.

Patrick wrote:

depthcharge wrote: 'Usually'.

That 'Patrick's father' comment is haunting me again I see.

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Actually, DC, I assure you I was not referring to that.

Was it when I said "If you don't stop banging on about these bastid bells I'm going to come to your houses and stab you all in the neck?"

Sorry about that, I'd had a hard day and I was tired.

The obvious starting point is the red stripe, undoubtedly Savillian in execution, although interestingly -- and quite outrageously I might add -- positioned in an almost perfectly dissective annexe. Huckler has thumbed his artistic beak at the design establishment here and refused any party to the so-called rule of thirds. It's at this early juncture that we can assume this work will embrace revolutionary ideals. The question is, is it the true work of a mastermind who has transcended the concept of art; or a complete nutcase. Next slide, if you will.

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The childlike simplicity and primary colours of the bird forms a shocking contrast to the futuristic rendering of the badger and the almost photographic images of the boxer and squirrel. Juxtaposition is found in the diagonal – the mighty boxer and the fragile cockerel (although both are perhaps pursuant of a common pugilistic theme) and the aggression of the badger is pitted against the timidity of the squirrel.

And what of the IV motif? Well, there are four beasts portrayed!. Could the artist be offering something so simple to contrast with the complex messages in the rest of the piece? An intellectual relief – he’s saying “look, I know it’s hard to understand, but don’t over-analyse absolutely everything.” For all complexities in the world today, sometimes it is refreshing to, in the words of Roy Walker, “just say what you see”. Here are four animals. Plain and simple.

BIGINOIL wrote:

Patrick wrote:

depthcharge wrote: 'Usually'.

That 'Patrick's father' comment is haunting me again I see.

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Actually, DC, I assure you I was not referring to that.

Was it when I said "If you don't stop banging on about these bastid bells I'm going to come to your houses and stab you all in the neck?"

Sorry about that, I'd had a hard day and I was tired.

As I recall, I think I understood that at the time, Big.

Splendid Oiler, really stirring stuff.

You've scythed open a new field of possibility. If only Patrick would raise his plough join the furrowing!

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BIGINOIL wrote: Here are four animals. Plain and simple.

I think that's probably it.

Patrick wrote: As I recall, I think I understood that at the time, Big.

You're so understanding Patty

BIGINOIL wrote:

Patrick wrote: As I recall, I think I understood that at the time, Big.

You're so understanding Patty

I certainly try to be. Life is hard enough, isn't it?

Patrick wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote: Here are four animals. Plain and simple.

I think that's probably it.

Impossible.

That's tantamount to believing that rather than some wondrous multi-layered epic of Ulyssean proportions lies lurking in the opening bars of Who's Joe, it was just Steve bumping a random key on the synth and noting: "Oooh, that sounded alright... Shall we bung it on the front of Lordsy?"

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Weren't there 4 Rocky films?

I confess that when I saw it in H's profile at a greatly reduced size I thought that the single human figure might possibly have been intended as a self-portrait.

Hank Wiseass© wrote: Weren't there 4 Rocky films?

That's it Hank! I think he's got it!

There are four members of New Order:

Hooky = Rocky Barney = A Badger Steve = A Squirrel The New Guy = A badly drawn chicken

Do I win a can of Red Stripe?

Patrick wrote:

Hank Wiseass© wrote: Weren't there 4 Rocky films?

That's it Hank! I think he's got it!

I went down this street already, alas, a dead end. There were more than four Rockies.

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BIGINOIL wrote: There are four members of New Order:

Hooky = Rocky Barney = A Badger Steve = A Squirrel The New Guy = A badly drawn chicken

Do I win a can of Red Stripe?

That sounds quite plausible as well. Perhaps H will enlighten us.

depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote:

Hank Wiseass© wrote: Weren't there 4 Rocky films?

That's it Hank! I think he's got it!

I went down this street already, alas, a dead end. There were more than four Rockies.

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But perhaps only four good ones?

Patrick wrote: I confess that when I saw it in H's profile at a greatly reduced size I thought that the single human figure might possibly have been intended as a self-portrait.

I think if you break it down and assume that each image is a facet of the artist's self (given the avatarian nature of the work, it is representative), you can assume that the Stallone figure is the manifestation of the super-ego. I'd venture that the badger is the ego, the squirrel the id and as for the strange chicken-like bird, it's probably one of those post-modern super-ids. That bird is odd, no? Almost like something off the Bayeux tapestry, I wonder if its symbolic of personal identity and the artist's sense of place in ancient and historic Marske-by-the-Sea.

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Patrick wrote:

depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote:

Hank Wiseass© wrote: Weren't there 4 Rocky films?

That's it Hank! I think he's got it!

I went down this street already, alas, a dead end. There were more than four Rockies.

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But perhaps only four good ones?

Rocky V was the last film where he fights Tommy Gunn.

That was the series killer...It had to end after that one.

Anyone watch the contender though??

Mexican food is great going in but man does it toy with the intestines...

eCKOh

Patrick wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote: There are four members of New Order:

Hooky = Rocky Barney = A Badger Steve = A Squirrel The New Guy = A badly drawn chicken

Do I win a can of Red Stripe?

That sounds quite plausible as well. Perhaps H will enlighten us.

I hope he hurries up - I'm off home soon and I'd like to hear before I leave.

Tommy Horan wrote:

Patrick wrote:

depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote:

Hank Wiseass© wrote: Weren't there 4 Rocky films?

That's it Hank! I think he's got it!

I went down this street already, alas, a dead end. There were more than four Rockies.

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But perhaps only four good ones?

Rocky V was the last film where he fights Tommy Gunn.

That was the series killer...It had to end after that one.

Anyone watch the contender though??

Mexican food is great going in but man does it toy with the intestines...

eCKOh

Welcome back. We missed you.

Patrick wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote: There are four members of New Order:

Hooky = Rocky Barney = A Badger Steve = A Squirrel The New Guy = A badly drawn chicken

Do I win a can of Red Stripe?

That sounds quite plausible as well. Perhaps H will enlighten us.

I think it's existance cane be traced back further than Gillian's confirmed departure and replacement by Phil.

A recent email suggests that he's pedalling towards Marske and a feast of organic foods at this very moment. I can guarantee he'll delight in the analysis here tomorrow though, and possibly debunk some artistic theory.

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Hank Wiseass© wrote:

Patrick wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote: There are four members of New Order:

Hooky = Rocky Barney = A Badger Steve = A Squirrel The New Guy = A badly drawn chicken

Do I win a can of Red Stripe?

That sounds quite plausible as well. Perhaps H will enlighten us.

I think it's existance cane be traced back further than Gillian's confirmed departure and replacement by Phil.

As I have argued elsewhere, we should just think of Gillphil as one person who has gone through a few changes. I'm sure that's how the band see it (with the possible exception of Steve).

depthcharge wrote: A recent email suggests that he's pedalling towards Marske and a feast of organic foods at this very moment. I can guarantee he'll delight in the analysis here tomorrow though, and possibly debunk some artistic theory.

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I believe he sometimes checks in here before going to bed, judging by the times.

Patrick wrote:

Tommy Horan wrote:

Patrick wrote:

depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote:

Hank Wiseass© wrote: Weren't there 4 Rocky films?

That's it Hank! I think he's got it!

I went down this street already, alas, a dead end. There were more than four Rockies.

:\pimp3:

But perhaps only four good ones?

Rocky V was the last film where he fights Tommy Gunn.

That was the series killer...It had to end after that one.

Anyone watch the contender though??

Mexican food is great going in but man does it toy with the intestines...

eCKOh

Welcome back. We missed you.

Thanks Trick...

I had to get food and Yankee Tixx. yeaaahh!!

eCKOh

Tommy Horan wrote:

Patrick wrote:

Tommy Horan wrote:

Patrick wrote:

depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote:

Hank Wiseass© wrote: Weren't there 4 Rocky films?

That's it Hank! I think he's got it!

I went down this street already, alas, a dead end. There were more than four Rockies.

:\pimp3:

But perhaps only four good ones?

Rocky V was the last film where he fights Tommy Gunn.

That was the series killer...It had to end after that one.

Anyone watch the contender though??

Mexican food is great going in but man does it toy with the intestines...

eCKOh

Welcome back. We missed you.

Thanks Trick...

I had to get food and Yankee Tixx. yeaaahh!!

eCKOh

Diverse interests, T. I'm not sure whether there are a lot of baseball fans in this neighborhood, though.

He seems to, although I did notice a flat denial of this the other day. God knows which thread. Apparently H rarely logs on before scones at 11 or after the witching hour. Marske after dark is not dissimilar to Rio, Cannes or Bangkok, so you'd imagine he'd be out amongst it all.

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Has the turkey's head changed from it's original incarnation? Could this be a further clue to it's representative nature?

depthcharge wrote: He seems to, although I did notice a flat denial of this the other day. God knows which thread. Apparently H rarely logs on before scones at 11 or after the witching hour. Marske after dark is not dissimilar to Rio, Cannes or Bangkok, so you'd imagine he'd be out amongst it all.

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The post times do not lie. But perhaps my memory is faulty.

Hank Wiseass© wrote: Has the turkey's head changed from it's original incarnation? Could this be a further clue to it's representative nature?

It also seems to be sporting some sort of red garment, with gold stitching. I'm not sure what to make of this. Do you think he's saying to the world that underneath this colourful veneer lies a simple turkey?

The other point is that the turkey is absolutely eyeballing the badger, they look like they want to fight.

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Patrick wrote:

Tommy Horan wrote:

Patrick wrote:

Tommy Horan wrote:

Patrick wrote:

depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote:

Hank Wiseass© wrote: Weren't there 4 Rocky films?

That's it Hank! I think he's got it!

I went down this street already, alas, a dead end. There were more than four Rockies.

:\pimp3:

But perhaps only four good ones?

Rocky V was the last film where he fights Tommy Gunn.

That was the series killer...It had to end after that one.

Anyone watch the contender though??

Mexican food is great going in but man does it toy with the intestines...

eCKOh

Welcome back. We missed you.

Thanks Trick...

I had to get food and Yankee Tixx. yeaaahh!!

eCKOh

Diverse interests, T. I'm not sure whether there are a lot of baseball fans in this neighborhood, though.

Well I live in the Bronx so what did you expect??

As long as there are NO fans it's all good in here

eCKOh

Well, I'm glad you've joined us, T.

Patrick wrote: Well, I'm glad you've joined us, T.

I'm glad to a part of the mayhem

eCKOh

Tommy Horan wrote:

Patrick wrote: Well, I'm glad you've joined us, T.

I'm glad to a part of the mayhem

eCKOh

Fasten your seat belt, T. Sometimes there's turbulence in here.

Patrick wrote:

Tommy Horan wrote:

Patrick wrote: Well, I'm glad you've joined us, T.

I'm glad to a part of the mayhem

eCKOh

Fasten your seat belt, T. Sometimes there's turbulence in here.

I live in the Bronx...I'm not worried

eCKOh

Dear gang, I haven't a great deal of time to spare at present, so first things last.

'I rarely post until I've had my elevenses' did imply that until I have consumed my 11 O'Clock A.M. tea and scones I rarely enter the fairground. However, like now, I occasional stray by whilst preparing pancakes.

... the above montage assertions are beginning to take shape, I'll recap when I've enjoyed my impending elevenses.

Until the future is the current, I bid thee fare sailors a mighty farewell.

I was going to correct occasional above by I haven't time.

One of the best, if not the best track on the album

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:topic:

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depthcharge wrote: :topic:

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My thought as well.

It's ironic really.

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depthcharge wrote: It's ironic really.

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As Alanis might say.

... And with a dark Patsy secret freshly revealed, I bid thee 'Excelsior!' and head off to to sleepworld.

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Patrick wrote:

depthcharge wrote: It's ironic really.

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As Alanis might say.

Oh, I hope she doesn't.

She's going on the petition with that gerbil.

depthcharge wrote: ... And with a dark Patsy secret freshly revealed, I bid thee 'Excelsior!' and head off to to sleepworld.

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Did you plan that, DC?

Huntsman wrote: ... the above montage assertions are beginning to take shape, I'll recap when I've enjoyed my impending elevenses.

Where is H? I want to hear what he thought of our avatar reviews.

I've logged on specially!

MONICA wrote:

Huntsman wrote: ... the above montage assertions are beginning to take shape, I'll recap when I've enjoyed my impending elevenses.

Where is H? I want to hear what he thought of our avatar reviews.

I've logged on specially!

If it takes him as long to compose his response as it did for him to get around to the Amazon WFTSC review, we'll never see it.

You are cheeky Pastie, you know we agreed to concentrate our efforts on other projects.

How is everyone?

Huntsman wrote: You are cheeky Pastie, you know we agreed to concentrate our efforts on other projects.

How is everyone?

We've been doing lyrics, H, and we're a little worn out. Big decided to come in drag today. Good to see you, though. How are you today?

I may have led you up the garden path a bit. I've checked the original image H sent me before uploading his avator and the turkey remains the same.

G'day mates (hello friends!), I too have logged on especially to see Hucklebutt's thoughts on our deconstruction of his art. And to chip away at the mystery that is Patsy. Today I shall endeavour to find out if it's true that he's a negro. Not that there's anything wrong with that, I have a friend who is one.

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I am a lady today. It's my tribute to something. I forget what.

depthcharge wrote: G'day mates (hello friends!), I too have logged on especially to see Hucklebutt's thoughts on our deconstruction of his art. And to chip away at the mystery that is Patsy. Today I shall endeavour to find out if it's true that he's a negro. Not that there's anything wrong with that, I have a friend who is one.

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Good luck with your efforts, DC. I wasn't aware that Alanis was hugely popular in the African-American community.

Actually, H, one of the other projects you were going to devote your efforts to was a response to yesterday's speculation about your coat of arms.

I've now had the chance to read properly the beautiful estimations on the montage - I'm honored that such discussion has expanded over almost 5 independent posts within a 24hr period.

I'm dashing here, consuming food there at present but I fully intend to administer the full truths that the montage holds as soon as I can. To a throw a biscuit of intrigue I can happily relay that the title is simply; 'Rocky Against the Animals', and that the line features quite a crucial element of the piece, if you note its purpose in the painting.

Yes come on, I've extended my lunchbreak by an hour to hear this.

It's not polite to keep a lady waiting, you know.

Edit: I was composing this bollocking as you were compiling your 'teaser'. Please accept my apologies, sir.

Patrick wrote:

Good luck with your efforts, DC. I wasn't aware that Alanis was hugely popular in the African-American community.

Excellent. Well that's today's detective work out of the way, Columbo eat your heart out. Perhaps I should retire early? So it's out with da boyz in da hood and in with the Jagged Little Pills for P.

I must say, this is an unexpected find and mildly upsetting.

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I'm off to do some work now.

Please carry on without me.

Mon

depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote:

Good luck with your efforts, DC. I wasn't aware that Alanis was hugely popular in the African-American community.

Excellent. Well that's today's detective work out of the way, Columbo eat your hear out. Perhaps I should retire early? So it's out with da boyz in da hood and in with the Jagged Little Pills for P.

I must say, this is an unexpected find and mildly upsetting.

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You seem to have forgotten, DC, that Alanis sent you to bed last night, and today's references to that illustrious Canadienne are simply allusions to that incident. Perhaps you thought you dreamed it.

Perhaps "hugely popular" was a poor choice of words. I should have said "I wasn't aware that Alanis was known at all in the African-American community."

MONICA wrote: I'm off to do some work now.

Please carry on without me.

Mon

That will be very difficult, Monica. But we'll try.

Due to the wall that you have constructed around yourself P (who here has less info about them on their avatar, not even a country of origin!), I need to employ some quite progressive psycho-analytical techniques to generate some sort of identity profile. If you approximate a quote from Alanis Morrisette, I will make an assumption that you have taken the time to listen to her lyrics and may therefore be positively disposed towards her canon.

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depthcharge wrote: Due to the wall that you have constructed around yourself P (who here has less info about them on their avatar, not even a country of origin!), I need to employ some quite progressive psycho-analytical techniques to generate some sort of identity profile. If you approximate a quote from Alanis Morrisette, I will make an assumption that you have taken the time to listen to her lyrics and may therefore be positively disposed towards her canon.

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I will try to be entirely truthful, as always, DC. At the time Alanis gained worldwide attention, I bought the album you referred to, presumably because I liked one or more of the tracks. I would imagine that it has been a number of years since I saw, let alone listened to, that particular item or anything else associated with the fair Alanis. If you have any other questions on this subject, I would be happy to address them, DC.

And on the subject of secrecy, DC, apart from letting us all "know" that you live in Western Australia, I believe you have been far more successful at self-concealment than I have.

I'd have thought it was the other way around, P. Perhaps we should consult someone more objective, Hustler perhaps, for an opinion.

In my defence, I have actually met a small, select handful of other NOOLers in the 'real world' and even shared beverages and stories of Manchester's finest with them. I suspect you can't match this?

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depthcharge wrote: I'd have thought it was the other way around, P. Perhaps we should consult someone more objective, Hustler perhaps, for an opinion.

In my defence, I have actually met a small, select handful of other NOOLers in the 'real world' and even shared beverages and stories of Manchester's finest with them. I suspect you can't match this?

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Your suspicion is correct, DC.

I think asking for H's reaction on the more general point would certainly be fair.

OK, we'll await the country critter's response.

Do you have any intention of catching a NO live show this year Pats? I'd have thought NYC for instance, was but a brief plane ride away. You could even sport an ironic t-shirt for the occasion: 'Leave Me Alone!'

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depthcharge wrote: OK, we'll await the country critter's response.

Do you have any intention of catching a NO live show this year Pats? I'd have thought NYC for instance, was but a brief plane ride away. You could even sport an ironic t-shirt for the occasion: 'Leave Me Alone!'

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That would certainly have been the obvious one, DC. Unfortunately, I am required by my job to be in California on that date, and that particular obligation also makes the Chicago appearance infeasible.

As an outsider looking towards the inside, it's about 50/50:

Whilst DC appears open and friendly, he rarely offers up anything other than white bread, which as everyone knows, is pretty safe - even toasted. Pastie, likewise, chit-chats but not really off-topic unless as a commentator, and then it will almost never be about his actual shoe size.

We know a little about P because people have mentioned his approximate whereabouts, and given DC is from the land of Oz, then there can only be a few similar chickens.

Put it this way, I doubt anybody could correctly guess the precise contents of either persons biscuit barrel.

Incidentally, the montage explanation is ready.

I've kept it short, and to that point, and thus will post soon.

Huntsman wrote: As an outsider looking towards the inside, it's about 50/50:

Whilst DC appears open and friendly, he rarely offers up anything other than white bread, which as everyone knows, is pretty safe - even toasted. Pastie, likewise, chit-chats but not really off-topic unless as a commentator, and then it will almost never be about his actual shoe size.

We know a little about P because people have mentioned his approximate whereabouts, and given DC is from the land of Oz, then there can only be a few similar chickens.

Put it this way, I doubt anybody could correctly guess the precise contents of either persons biscuit barrel.

Well, H, thank you for offering your objective evaluation. It's hard for me to find anything to quarrel with there.

P, where should the evaluation of the montage be posted? ... I'm a bit out of touch at the moment, what with all the recent activity.

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Patrick wrote:

depthcharge wrote: OK, we'll await the country critter's response.

Do you have any intention of catching a NO live show this year Pats? I'd have thought NYC for instance, was but a brief plane ride away. You could even sport an ironic t-shirt for the occasion: 'Leave Me Alone!'

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That would certainly have been the obvious one, DC. Unfortunately, I am required by my job to be in California on that date, and that particular obligation also makes the Chicago appearance infeasible.

That's a shame. Have you ever seen them live, P?

I wonder if Hustler will be attending any live shows this year? He doesn't seem too fond of leaving the woodlice in the willows of Marske.

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Eau Contraire DC, my wagon of snacks usually rattles to gigs.

I do usually phone ahead though, with plenty of drinking water a prerequisite for my friends.

depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote:

depthcharge wrote: OK, we'll await the country critter's response.

Do you have any intention of catching a NO live show this year Pats? I'd have thought NYC for instance, was but a brief plane ride away. You could even sport an ironic t-shirt for the occasion: 'Leave Me Alone!'

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That would certainly have been the obvious one, DC. Unfortunately, I am required by my job to be in California on that date, and that particular obligation also makes the Chicago appearance infeasible.

That's a shame. Have you ever seen them live, P?

I wonder if Hustler will be attending any live shows this year? He doesn't seem too fond of leaving the woodlice in the willows of Marske.

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No, I've never seen them live, DC, unless the 511 DVD counts, which I suspect is not what you had in mind.

I had tickets to see them at a show here in the late 80's but I was far too sick to go.

Huntsman wrote: P, where should the evaluation of the montage be posted? ... I'm a bit out of touch at the moment, what with all the recent activity.

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Here! Here! We want it posting here!

Patrick wrote: No, I've never seen them live, DC, unless the 511 DVD counts, which I suspect is not what you had in mind.

I had tickets to see them at a show here in the late 80's but I was far too sick to go.

You've never seen New Order live?

Have you heard any of their records?

Have you ever shared an Irn Bru with any NOOLers, Hustler? Don't think I've ever heard it mentioned in passing. Surely someone would've passed comment on your hat, for instance.

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Of course, there can be no words that could ever eclipse the experience of a vision. But here goes ...

Patrick wrote: No, I've never seen them live, DC, unless the 511 DVD counts, which I suspect is not what you had in mind.

I had tickets to see them at a show here in the late 80's but I was far too sick to go.

Note to case file: P positioned in gig-attending age bracket in late 80s.

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MONICA wrote:

Patrick wrote: No, I've never seen them live, DC, unless the 511 DVD counts, which I suspect is not what you had in mind.

I had tickets to see them at a show here in the late 80's but I was far too sick to go.

You've never seen New Order live?

Have you heard any of their records?

I just study the lyrics. It's nearly the same as hearing them.

depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote: No, I've never seen them live, DC, unless the 511 DVD counts, which I suspect is not what you had in mind.

I had tickets to see them at a show here in the late 80's but I was far too sick to go.

Note to case file: P positioned in gig-attending age bracket in late 80s.

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I'm glad to see you're paying attention, DC.

depthcharge wrote: Have you ever shared an Irn Bru with any NOOLers, Hustler? Don't think I've ever heard it mentioned in passing. Surely someone would've passed comment on your hat, for instance.

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I may have been too perfectly formed for the human eye to see. I can't be exactly sure, but I think I read that in such circumstances, the application of a pot of paint will reveal the actual form, a bit like a scene from a movie.

Huntsman wrote: P, where should the evaluation of the montage be posted? ... I'm a bit out of touch at the moment, what with all the recent activity.

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I'd say here, H.

Huntsman wrote: Of course, there can be no words that could ever eclipse the experience of a vision. But here goes ...

Perfectly put, as usual.

Which show(s) will you point your horse and wagon to this year?

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depthcharge wrote:

Huntsman wrote: Of course, there can be no words that could ever eclipse the experience of a vision. But here goes ...

Perfectly put, as usual.

Which show(s) will you point your horse and wagon to this year?

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My contacts on the street are briefed to relay the announcement of a non-festival gig.

'Rocky Against the Animals' - the dichotomy of life.

In short, the montage is a visual representation of what is good, and appears to be evil in the world.

Man has always been cruel to the animals, which was never right, as the biped could have comfortably survived to its present intellectual state by gnawing on pasta, fruit and cheese. Rocky is the human, and so accordingly appears as the dominant force top left, like mans position in the world. Rocky is depicted at his most potent, or harmful, where in Rocky III he belted seven shades of blue out of Mr. T and sent him hurtling into outer space with a killer blow you couldn't even write as a passage of fiction. In certain Rocky scriptures, it has been written that Mr. T has actually passed Europa en-route to Pluto.

With man smugly stood on top of the world looking down (or outward to the carnivores) we witness the beautiful animal kingdom fidgeting for survival: the badger, a proud beast dwindling in numbers, the Spanish cockerel - a creature which put up some resistance in the 1500's but was mostly fried with chips, and the common or garden squirrel, looking away - so ashamed at the state of the earth. He simply nibbles nuts now, too afraid to contemplate sandwiches or similar pleasures once so common.

Marking the distinction between good and evil is a line in the sand, red in colour to represent the tragic blood spilt as whales were callously skewered by local fisher people at the turn of the century. Note that Rocky's gloves are specifically masqueraded in an effort to cover up man's disgraceful historic rampage across the globe; he can use his fists, but ultimately the locust will survive a nuclear attack on home soil.

And that's about it really. The guesses were fairly accurate, well played.

The numbering is simply another nod to the Rocky franchise, except it should really have said 'III' instead of 'IV', but that's a little bit of artistic licence, which I hoped people wouldn't mind.

Huntsman wrote: My contacts on the street are briefed to relay the announcement of a non-festival gig.

I envisage a fleet of ferrets scurrying around in the air pipes of Warner Music, overhearing tidbits at the water cooler, scuttling off to the external vents and passing on the gossip to specially-assigned pigeons who flap prodigiously across Greater London but run out of puff somewhere near Hadrian's Wall. They fall from the sky, and hit the turf where their last breaths are used diligently to convey details to The Badger Army generals, who dispatch a relay of footsoldiers to ferry the communique to Marske, whereby one will phone it through to your house.

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depthcharge wrote:

Huntsman wrote: My contacts on the street are briefed to relay the announcement of a non-festival gig.

I envisage a fleet of ferrets scurrying around in the air pipes of Warner Music, overhearing tidbits at the water cooler, scuttling off to the external vents and passing on the gossip to specially-assigned pigeons who flap prodigiously across Greater London but run out of puff somewhere near Hadrian's Wall. They fall from the sky, and hit the turf where their last breaths are used diligently to convey details to The Badger Army generals, who dispatch a relay of footsoldiers to ferry the communique to Marske, whereby one will phone it through to your house.

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Yes, that's about the size of it.

I'm not quite sure what to say, H. But thank you.

Huntsman wrote: 'Rocky Against the Animals' - the dichotomy of life.

Tremendous read as ever, Hustler.

But what I'm going to lose sleep over tonight is the placement of the red stripe, a line in the sand if you will. The squirrel appears to be aligned with humankind, your new evil axis, positioned on the top half of the stripe. Perhaps he is, he knows he's a goner these days unless humans throw him snack remnants for sustenance. He's guilty of his new alliance and this is manifest in his turning away from his traditional team.

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I kept the analysis brief DC, I thought it would have been a shame to conclude every aspect and I was conscious to not bore to smithereens the world entire. More filling can be extracted from the sandwich as you rightly suggest, and I can only hope that people can take away with them their own interpretation and a general feeling of warmth. It would be easy to nonchalantly dismiss the piece as unnecessary modern art, but it has a serious underlying theme.

But yes, the squirrel theory you have sounds decent enough to bolt on to the end.

I wonder what that new bird will make of it all? She was gaggin' for it earlier.

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Perhaps, H, it's the fact that small animals do not loom as large in my mental landscape as they do in yours that leaves me somewhat lacking in articulable responses. I do like squirrels, though.

The montage is like pizza, you can take it or leave it. There's usually not much commented needed either way.

Major Tarantino wrote:

The song is 99.9% perfect.

The 0.1% is due to the "in the corner over there" lyric.

Otherwise, it's fucking genius.

THIS IS BY FAR THE BEST NEW ORDER SONG THAT I'VE EVER HEARD!

absolute class!,i find myself going straight ot track ten then playing the rest of the album back after!