Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Remix) betther than the original?

Rocket Mick wrote: I keep listening to them and changing my mind all the time as to which is the best here.I have taken to just having the whole CD-R continually playing.Must admit that JET is going to be massive in CLUBS.If only i was 30 years younger.You wouldn't need to chat up the girls with this playing.Just lounge lizard in there when this playing. SO GOOD FOR ME.

I'm looking forward to hearing them all. I think Jetstream is going to get a lot more attention than Krafty.

the Mac Quayle version (which was the earlier version) sounds a whole LOT more like New Order, the percussion, bass, and keyboards sound like classic New Order... maybe too much... it does drag a bit overall, and because it sounds too retro that is why I think they redid it with Stuart Price (which sounds too little like New Order IMO)... i guess i cant decide

pumped full of drugs wrote: the Mac Quayle version (which was the earlier version) sounds a whole LOT more like New Order, the percussion, bass, and keyboards sound like classic New Order... maybe too much... it does drag a bit overall, and because it sounds too retro that is why I think they redid it with Stuart Price (which sounds too little like New Order IMO)... i guess i cant decide

Have you looked at the discussion in posts above about whether the Quayle version, particularly the minute starting at 4:00, has strong resemblances to the Stadium mix of Spooky?

i'll give it a better listen Patrick, i'd hate to be left out..

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: i'll give it a better listen Patrick, i'd hate to be left out..

Thanks, Brian.

extra track - Generic techno layout but on top, vintage new order sound.

The album version is modern club bleeps and bloops.

both have their merits. i'll take the mix for longevity tho - i need to hear hooky!

Patrick wrote:

Have you looked at the discussion in posts above about whether the Quayle version, particularly the minute starting at 4:00, has strong resemblances to the Stadium mix of Spooky?

Patsy I've just dug out the old Stadium mix for the acid test. Fair call.

It's an interesting phenomenon this Quayle mix. For me, it has some of the best quintessential New Order elements of the whole album, I love the bass mix and the way it all goes TPK towards the end. Also agree with the peeps who've said the chorus needs a lift, if there was perhaps a killer synth wash or something, it'd be beastly.

Perhaps it's time to get Mac back in here for further interrogation, now his mix is getting talked up. I wonder whether he himself was responsible for some of the extra production? Ironic that the man who tries to make his productions more 'New Ordery' (Price) has stripped away that essence in the album version. Perhaps in the end, Quayle's version was too 'New Ordery' for it's own good.

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depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote:

Have you looked at the discussion in posts above about whether the Quayle version, particularly the minute starting at 4:00, has strong resemblances to the Stadium mix of Spooky?

Patsy I've just dug out the old Stadium mix for the acid test. Fair call.

It's an interesting phenomenon this Quayle mix. For me, it has some of the best quintessential New Order elements of the whole album, I love the bass mix and the way it all goes TPK towards the end. Also agree with the peeps who've said the chorus needs a lift, if there was perhaps a killer synth wash or something, it'd be beastly.

Perhaps it's time to get Mac back in here for further interrogation, now his mix is getting talked up. I wonder whether he himself was responsible for some of the extra production? Ironic that the man who tries to make his productions more 'New Ordery' (Price) has stripped away that essence in the album version. Perhaps in the end, Quayle's version was too 'New Ordery' for it's own good.

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Thanks for confirming my thought, DC.

I'm glad to have both versions of Guilt, but I think making the Stuart Price version the definitive album version was a good choice. It gives the album a lot more variety than would be there if they'd used the Quayle version.

Are you sure you aren't in two minds about which is the mix most befitting the album, P?

Some missing posts back there.

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depthcharge wrote: Are you sure you aren't in two minds about which is the mix most befitting the album, P?

Some missing posts back there.

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The dreaded triple post phenomenon, DC.

First I've seen of it.

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depthcharge wrote: First I've seen of it.

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I guess you must have a more accurate trigger finger than I do, DC.

Cryptic.

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depthcharge wrote: Cryptic.

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Hmmm......

Trick:

I know you been waiting for me to weigh in on this one...lol

Here it is:

Nice emphasis on Hooky's Bass Nice breakdown around 3:51

Synths are where the problem lies...

Overall I give it a 7 out of 10 and feel the track lacks the pure raw energy of the original verion.

I have spoken haha

The Symbiont - e C K o H

eCKOh wrote: Trick:

I know you been waiting for me to weigh in on this one...lol

Here it is:

Nice emphasis on Hooky's Bass Nice breakdown around 3:51

Synths are where the problem lies...

Overall I give it a 7 out of 10 and feel the track lacks the pure raw energy of the original verion.

I have spoken haha

The Symbiont - e C K o H

I felt fairly sure that you would prefer the original, T. I do too.

Patrick wrote:

eCKOh wrote: Trick:

I know you been waiting for me to weigh in on this one...lol

Here it is:

Nice emphasis on Hooky's Bass Nice breakdown around 3:51

Synths are where the problem lies...

Overall I give it a 7 out of 10 and feel the track lacks the pure raw energy of the original verion.

I have spoken haha

The Symbiont - e C K o H

I felt fairly sure that you would prefer the original, T. I do too.

Yeah I want my money back now

e

eCKOh wrote:

Patrick wrote:

eCKOh wrote: Trick:

I know you been waiting for me to weigh in on this one...lol

Here it is:

Nice emphasis on Hooky's Bass Nice breakdown around 3:51

Synths are where the problem lies...

Overall I give it a 7 out of 10 and feel the track lacks the pure raw energy of the original verion.

I have spoken haha

The Symbiont - e C K o H

I felt fairly sure that you would prefer the original, T. I do too.

Yeah I want my money back now

e

Well, I can't help you there, I'm afraid, T. I already have four copies. I don't think I really need any more.

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: if i can rudely interrupt the grammer lesson, i'd like to point out that Mac's Guilt mix really gets going about midway through, including the middle break. from there on, the track is a monster, ending with what must be a tongue-in-cheek reference to the ending of TPK 12". Hooky's outro is classic New Order and proves that this version is the one that should be on the album.

I've written this on another thread but I have to say that the Mac Quayle version of Guilt is the best track I've heard from the WFTSC 'era' IMHO, at least til now. The instrumental part that starts at 3:50 is one of my favourite moments in NO's music, it really brought tears to my eyes when I listened to it for the first time . One of those moments that no other band on Earth was ever able to give me. And the resemblance to Spooky is not a bad thing for me: Gillian's absence is one of the few things that I miss on this album - if someone told me that it was Gillian in the synths on this version I would almost believe... I think the Mac Quayle version is the best version of the track by far and a lot more New Ordery than the released version on WFTSC.

The mix is good, but the original is superior.

Yeah but which one are you suggesting is the original?

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Being a track/mix completist, I shall be buying the US version of the album and the US CD single of Krafty when I'm over there in the summer for my Brother's wedding. Just got the US Krafty double 12" pack from EIL this morning (love the Morel remix), and want the US single to grab it on CD.

However, it'd be wonderful if someone could mp3 me the US bonus mix of 'Guilt' via my email, so I get a chance to hear it before August!

Andy

Check your mail, Andrew. There are lots of really good deals on counterfeit Viagra and discount mortgages going around.

I've decided I really dislike the Mac Quayle vocal mix. I mean, it's a valient effort on Mr. Quayle's part, but it really sounds like someone trying to make a hit New Order track out of not much of a song to start with. "Here's sort of an OK track that really doesn't go anywhere...see what you can do with it. Throw some synths on or something."

I was listening to it good and loud in the car and would almost swear that the tempo actually slows down during the chorus...that's how labored it sounds. If anything, the chorus should have the illusion of speeding up.

I'm thrilled to have it as an educational experience, and it's helped me to appreciate what Stuart Price was able to do with it.

Many thanks for that. Interesting to hear how it sounded before the album mix was created. Quite electroclashy. They could easily have made this the album version, before bringing out the shorter version that was eventually used on the album as a remixed, single version.

I prefer the newer, album version - probably my favourite track on WFTSC. They'd be daft not to release it as a single. Lovely and dancey. A real hi-energy track, if ever I heard one. The Mac Quale version doesn't have the same impact (or chord changes, for that matter).

Andy

depthcharge wrote: Yeah but which one are you suggesting is the original?

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Whichever one is the standard album version is superior to the Mac mix, IMO.

FAC103 wrote:

ricardo gonzalez wrote: This is the first time that I post here but I've been following this site for a few years.

After listening to the MacQuayle Vocal mix, I just couldn't believe how great it is. It is not cheesy like the original version. It has lots of keyboards and shows Hooky's bass really well. I wish all remixes were as good as this one! What do you all think?

How dare you call the original cheesy...you have now gone and ruined my frigging birthday...

grrrrrrr....

Happy Birthday FAC10

The remix would be a surefire summertime dancehit.

i love the mix and i like the original too, but i think im ging to have to go with the mix, i like that one better than the original.