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depthcharge wrote:
The True Faith CDV came out later than the vinyl release, 1988 or 1989 depending on who you read, although I suspect it was 1988, close to the BM88 CDV.
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Really?! I remember buying it, but thought it was released at the same time. I'm sure it was before the BM88 CDV anyway...
depthcharge wrote:
There was a nice US CD5 promo for True Faith that appeared in 1987 featuring an exclusive mix. They still fetch a decent price on eBay.
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The cabbage leaf one?
undertow wrote:
Spotnick wrote: Was this the first CD single released by New Order?
I know BLT has been released on CD, but 15 years later..
Did they release Substance directly on CD?
Just bought a CD player in 1990, so I really don't know!
Well, there was the US promo CD for True Faith that was released at the time the single was released. TBTHOG was the first commercial CD single that was released simultaneously with its vinyl counterpart. Substance was released at the same time as the vinyl (although it may have been delayed by a week or two - common in those days). Can't remember when EGG CD single was issued though and no dates are given to clue us in.
I somehow managed to pick up a copy of Substance on CD in Woolworth's on the Saturday before the official Monday release date.
I remember it well because I had a Saturday job at Tesco and I would always pop up to Woollies to browse their music department at lunchtime.
When I saw Substance I had to rush back to borrow some money off my mate because it cost more than my day's wages...!!!
Chris :D
Oh yeah - and I got TBTHOG on release too (First CD I ever owned was Low-Life though!)
The cabbage indeed.
As for the TF CDV, I don't think any of them made it to Aus so I can only speak from research rather than first-hand info. Although, I do fondly remember the day I picked up my TF 12" upon release from Dada Records, and the anticipation of lowering the stylus for the first time.
Different sites list the TF CDV release date as different months and years but I'm yet to see one list it as the same time as the TF vinyl.
I'm sure TLV can shed more light on this if he wanders by.
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To Old Blue it's cabbage, to the poet it's a Peony rose.
That's what marriage will do to you, boys.
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I bought my CDVs circa 1989 from Virgin in Oxford Street. Now I ham happy! The BM88 one is worth lots!
depthcharge wrote: The cabbage indeed.
As for the TF CDV, I don't think any of them made it to Aus so I can only speak from research rather than first-hand info. Although, I do fondly remember the day I picked up my TF 12" upon release from Dada Records, and the anticipation of lowering the stylus for the first time.
Different sites list the TF CDV release date as different months and years but I'm yet to see one list it as the same time as the TF vinyl.
I'm sure TLV can shed more light on this if he wanders by.
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I got a True Faith cdv in our only formerly independant record shop when new. It only cost about the same as a nomal cd single. Unfortunately it now is a JB.
RøbertãoTøldYøuSø wrote: Anyone of you "luckier-than-me" guys can check please if is there a credit for Arthur Baker as co-writter of TBTHOG? (the best of) cd does have TBTHOG on it but it only credits Thieves Like Us as "Written by New Order & Arthur Baker". But some people here claim that somewhere there is a credit for him as co-writter... Maybe Salvation soundtrack. I was trying to complete a list of New Order tracks that were co-written with people outside the band (no covers included): http://www.neworderonline.com/Forums/MessageList.aspx?ThreadID=18869
Ok I checked.
On both the Touched single and 12" the credits read "written and produced by New Order mixed by Arthur Baker".
On the Salvation soundtrack the credit reads " New Order/Arthur Baker".
On The Best Of & International as far as I can see only New Order are credited.
I hope that helps. I only wonder what happened to Arthur Baker's credit on the compilations.
I found a copy of both the TBTHOG card foldout & Round & Round Japan cd single with the remixes at a second hand cd store on the same day here in Melbourne around 6 or 7 years ago, they were both about 4 or 5 dollars each, got very excited when i saw them sitting there i can tell you!
I found a copy of both the TBTHOG card foldout & Round & Round Japan cd single with the remixes at a second hand cd store on the same day here in Melbourne around 6 or 7 years ago, they were both about 4 or 5 dollars each, got very excited when i saw them sitting there i can tell you!
undertow wrote:
Ally3000 wrote:
Oh, and the 12" version is also available with better mastering on the more recent 2002 'International' compilation. Previously it was only available on the TBTHOG CD single and the 'Salvation!' soundtrack (3 versions).
Is the version on International the same as the CD single or the 8:00 early version that's found on some of the Salvation versions?
The version on International is the "Twelve Inch Mix" from the CD single & 12" vinyl. The "Remix Version" on some copies of Salvation! is an exclusive dub version. Essentially, it's Touched by the Hand of Dub with an extra 2 1/2 minutes at the beginning.
10 us cents, second hand video game and cd shop in d.c. or southern maryland a couple of years ago. 10 friggin cents! and the confusion remix is worth every penny. i had never liked the 87 version at all, but then i got this. 87 still not better than the o.g., but the remix is right up there.
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undertow wrote:
Ally3000 wrote:
Oh, and the 12" version is also available with better mastering on the more recent 2002 'International' compilation. Previously it was only available on the TBTHOG CD single and the 'Salvation!' soundtrack (3 versions).
Is the version on International the same as the CD single or the 8:00 early version that's found on some of the Salvation versions?
The version on International is the "Twelve Inch Mix" from the CD single & 12" vinyl. The "Remix Version" on some copies of Salvation! is an exclusive dub version. Essentially, it's Touched by the Hand of Dub with an extra 2 1/2 minutes at the beginning.
Interesting I didn't know this. So si the remastered version on International much better, clarity wise, than the one on the CD single? I already think the CD single one is nice and crystal clear. It's hard to imagine the International version sounding even more clear.
This is one of my favorite tracks of all time. Would you say it's worth upgrading to the International version even you already own the CD single?
I really wish they would remaster Ceremony, and bring up the guitars even louder.
I got the TBTHOG CD single in 1997 as a spotty sixteen year old and it is one of my most treasured CDs. I also found the Japanese CD single last year very cheaply so got a crackle free Touched by the Hand of Dub - that made me very happy.
So si the remastered version on International much better, clarity wise, than the one on the CD single? I already think the CD single one is nice and crystal clear. It's hard to imagine the International version sounding even more clear.
This is one of my favorite tracks of all time. Would you say it's worth upgrading to the International version even you already own the CD single?
I really wish they would remaster Ceremony, and bring up the guitars even louder.
So is the remastered version on International much better, clarity wise, than the one on the CD single? I already think the CD single one is nice and crystal clear. It's hard to imagine the International version sounding even more clear.
This is one of my favorite tracks of all time. Would you say it's worth upgrading to the International version even you already own the CD single?
I really wish they would remaster Ceremony, and bring up the guitars even louder.
Spotnick wrote: Was this the first CD single released by New Order?
I know BLT has been released on CD, but 15 years later..
Did they release Substance directly on CD?
Just bought a CD player in 1990, so I really don't know!
I'm sure they released Substance directly on cd, because i was there the first day it came out. I'm pretty sure Brotherhood came out directly as well, I remember ordering the import in late '86.
So is the remastered version on International much better, clarity wise, than the one on the CD single? I already think the CD single one is nice and crystal clear. It's hard to imagine the International version sounding even more clear.
This is one of my favorite tracks of all time. Would you say it's worth upgrading to the International version even you already own the CD single?
I really wish they would remaster Ceremony, and bring up the guitars even louder.
Ronald Kirsch wrote:
RøbertãoTøldYøuSø wrote: Anyone of you "luckier-than-me" guys can check please if is there a credit for Arthur Baker as co-writter of TBTHOG? (the best of) cd does have TBTHOG on it but it only credits Thieves Like Us as "Written by New Order & Arthur Baker". But some people here claim that somewhere there is a credit for him as co-writter... Maybe Salvation soundtrack. I was trying to complete a list of New Order tracks that were co-written with people outside the band (no covers included): http://www.neworderonline.com/Forums/MessageList.aspx?ThreadID=18869
Ok I checked.
On both the Touched single and 12" the credits read "written and produced by New Order mixed by Arthur Baker".
On the Salvation soundtrack the credit reads " New Order/Arthur Baker".
On The Best Of & International as far as I can see only New Order are credited.
I hope that helps. I only wonder what happened to Arthur Baker's credit on the compilations.
Thanks for checking! But do the credits on Salvation soundtrack read: "written", "produced" or what? Because maybe it only means that Baker has mixed or produced it and not in fact written it. Thanks for your patience! :D
RøbertãoTøldYøuSø wrote:
Ronald Kirsch wrote:
RøbertãoTøldYøuSø wrote: Anyone of you "luckier-than-me" guys can check please if is there a credit for Arthur Baker as co-writter of TBTHOG? (the best of) cd does have TBTHOG on it but it only credits Thieves Like Us as "Written by New Order & Arthur Baker". But some people here claim that somewhere there is a credit for him as co-writter... Maybe Salvation soundtrack. I was trying to complete a list of New Order tracks that were co-written with people outside the band (no covers included): http://www.neworderonline.com/Forums/MessageList.aspx?ThreadID=18869
Ok I checked.
On both the Touched single and 12" the credits read "written and produced by New Order mixed by Arthur Baker".
On the Salvation soundtrack the credit reads " New Order/Arthur Baker".
On The Best Of & International as far as I can see only New Order are credited.
I hope that helps. I only wonder what happened to Arthur Baker's credit on the compilations.
Thanks for checking! But do the credits on Salvation soundtrack read: "written", "produced" or what? Because maybe it only means that Baker has mixed or produced it and not in fact written it. Thanks for your patience! :D
The credits I provided are exactly as the appear on the records.
We can only speculate what New Order/Arthur Baker means, in terms of writing, producing and mixing.
I have this single. I'd say it's pretty rare these days and I never seen it in the shops. I didn't get it until 1997 or 1998, courtesy of a NOOL friend who found it for me! 
Cheers, Dan, if you are still around here!
I'll have to dig out the article. But the recording process was quite funny. Apparently according to the band Arthur Baker kept standing over them like a madman urging them to do something. New Order just don't normally work like that. Somehow however,they managed to write and record that song in record time.
Ronald Kirsch wrote:
RøbertãoTøldYøuSø wrote:
Ronald Kirsch wrote:
RøbertãoTøldYøuSø wrote: Anyone of you "luckier-than-me" guys can check please if is there a credit for Arthur Baker as co-writter of TBTHOG? (the best of) cd does have TBTHOG on it but it only credits Thieves Like Us as "Written by New Order & Arthur Baker". But some people here claim that somewhere there is a credit for him as co-writter... Maybe Salvation soundtrack. I was trying to complete a list of New Order tracks that were co-written with people outside the band (no covers included): http://www.neworderonline.com/Forums/MessageList.aspx?ThreadID=18869
Ok I checked.
On both the Touched single and 12" the credits read "written and produced by New Order mixed by Arthur Baker".
On the Salvation soundtrack the credit reads " New Order/Arthur Baker".
On The Best Of & International as far as I can see only New Order are credited.
I hope that helps. I only wonder what happened to Arthur Baker's credit on the compilations.
Thanks for checking! But do the credits on Salvation soundtrack read: "written", "produced" or what? Because maybe it only means that Baker has mixed or produced it and not in fact written it. Thanks for your patience! :D
The credits I provided are exactly as the appear on the records.
We can only speculate what New Order/Arthur Baker means, in terms of writing, producing and mixing.
Well, if (1) it doesn't read that we co-wrote the song and (2) on (the best of) cd there is no credit for him as co-writer (only for Thieves Like Us), so (3) I suppose he has done anything but written it...
On both the Touched cd single and 12" the credits read "written and produced by New Order mixed by Arthur Baker".
The above is the best info we have on this song. Go with that.
So is the remastered version on International much better, clarity wise, than the one on the CD single? I already think the CD single one is nice and crystal clear. It's hard to imagine the International version sounding even more clear.
This is one of my favorite tracks of all time. Would you say it's worth upgrading to the International version even you already own the CD single?
I really wish they would remaster Ceremony, and bring up the guitars even louder.
Isamu wrote: So is the remastered version on International much better, clarity wise, than the one on the CD single? I already think the CD single one is nice and crystal clear. It's hard to imagine the International version sounding even more clear.
This is one of my favorite tracks of all time. Would you say it's worth upgrading to the International version even you already own the CD single?
I really wish they would remaster Ceremony, and bring up the guitars even louder.[/quote
I'd get at least some sort of copy so you don't damage the cd single by accident.
In terms of a sound comparison. I'd have to say I've never done one. They both sound ok to me.
So is the remastered version on International much better, clarity wise, than the one on the CD single? I already think the CD single one is nice and crystal clear. It's hard to imagine the International version sounding even more clear.
This is one of my favorite tracks of all time. Would you say it's worth upgrading to the International version even you already own the CD single?
I really wish they would remaster Ceremony, and bring up the guitars even louder.
