Online petition for Turn to be released as a single :thumb:

who cares about singles in 2005?

the single format is dead.

singles were for jukeboxes and for radio stations when they had vinyl... seven inches.

the cd world pretty much made singles silly.

what is the point? (and if you want them for the remixes, please, I am sick to death of remixes of mixes of remixes...)

remixers can put out their own digital lps of the entire album if they really want to.

and i haven't heard a good remix of new order in a decade.

so, why is everyone so concerned about singles in 2005?

(this all said by someone who loves the 12 inch singles from the 80s, up on my wall, when saville had class and new order put out nonlp singles...)

I'd MUCH rather see new order put out a NONlp EP with 2 NEW songs with remixes.... like they did in the 80s...

so make a petition for THAT...

Johnny Giles wrote: Oh dear. After an intelligent post about Jetstream a couple of weeks back, you've returned to your old self Tar Box. I guess it was a flash in the pan.

The Single is still one of the most powerful methods of promoting a band. Regardless of whether their sales are a fraction of what they were 20 years ago. Radio stations play not much else. Up and coming bands who can't get an album deal immediately, often release singles to get some momentum going.

I sense you're trying to be visionary or futuristic. You're neither.

well, we all saw how well Jetstream did!

I have learned a powerful lesson with the lame results of Jetstream. I think all I said about singles being powerful promotion methods are out of date now. Radio play is just not as effective in 2005 as 1990.

And, most bands are getting promoted and signed via other methods nowadays. This is not news, and not 'futuristic' or whatever, actually pretty clear for the past 5 years at least.
I still think, if you are going to do a single, make it your commercial and most appealing public songs...

BUT, I think singles are pretty useless. What did Jetstream do for New Order? They might as well have put out Turn or whatever, would have got the same (nil) results... which all leads me to claim that singles are silly fan product in 2005, have nothing to do with their origins... just an easy way to get some extra cash from diehard fans... and SO, yes, I have CHANGED MY MIND (am I allowed to do that?) and actually think the complete opposite now of what I did, and that Turn SHOULD be a single, based on the way singles are now handled... (a way to cash in on fans who want 10 versions of a song)....

huh? (no, I am not trying to be visionary or futuristic... just being realistic, which is quite the opposite really.)

Johnny Giles wrote: Wtf is going on ?

My names down as the 4th sig on this petition and I haven't been anywhere near it

Bogus names on the petition kind of calls its integrity into question. You'd need 500+ sigs to make Warners even bat an eyelid so doesn't look like much is gonna come of this.

Warners UK Director of Marketing told me that they believed Sirens' to be "3 or 4 singles deep". However, given the subsequent performance of Sirens' in the UK album chart I can't see them committing any more promotional spend over and above the 3 singles we already know about.

It wasn't me!