How would you respond to people who think U2 is better than NO? Bono>>>Barney?

I was wondering....how would you guys reply to a U2 fan who also casually listends to New Order, who came up to you and said how much they think U2 is better than New Order? What kinds of argument would put up that would perhaps persuay them into thinking New Order is indeed, the suprior band? Do you feel that THEY FEEL that Edge's guitar playing is the deciding factor that makes U2's music superior to NO's? How would you counter that argument? What if that person said things like....

"Dude...have you HEARD Bono's voice compared to Bernard Sumner's voice? There's like nooooooooo cumparision dude! That Bernard guy sounds like a fag compared to Bono! Bono's voice SCREAMS coolness!!! Vertigo 4 Lyfe ma nizzle!"

....How would you respond to someone that made that statement?

My response would be as follows:

....How would you respond to someone that made that statement?

Ummm ... derp?

(Correct usage here, Spike?)

U2 blow

and this made me cringe - http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewThread&entryID=340010&categoryID=58&IsSticky=0&Mytoken=20050608142354

I'd be glad I ran into someone who listens to two decent bands, especially considering what garbage so many folks listen to these days.

U2 is a decent band. They have put out like 10 times as many songs as New Order, so of course they have more clunkers, and more hits...

Why piss on U2? it is a small world, with many bad bad bad bad bad bad bands... U2 is not a worry.

And, hey, whatever. Not everyone likes New Order. Who cares?

Tarbox23 wrote: I'd be glad I ran into someone who listens to two decent bands, especially considering what garbage so many folks listen to these days.

U2 is a decent band. They have put out like 10 times as many songs as New Order, so of course they have more clunkers, and more hits...

Why piss on U2? it is a small world, with many bad bad bad bad bad bad bands... U2 is not a worry.

And, hey, whatever. Not everyone likes New Order. Who cares?

I second all of that.

How would you respond to people who think U2 is better than NO?

Violently

I usually tell my roommate to fuck off when he says something like that.

1. Barney may not have a better voice, but at least he isn't singing from his head up his own ass.

2. Bongo's ego needs to be bombed like a small Arab nation of your choosing.

3. U2 sucks balls musically, esp. since 1985 or so. They have maybe a dozen good songs and the rest are shit.

4. If it weren't for Joy Division, who would U2 be able to rip off?

Steve Campbell wrote: How would you respond to people who think U2 is better than NO?

Violently

I'd have to second that, although I'd probably only laugh out loud.

According to the indie hipsters, New Order is just a 'shallow electronica group anyways'.

I'd rather spend money on music that's imminently enjoyable and catchy than a bunch of high-falootin' dickery that "you've gotta listen to the notes they're not playing!" to 'appreciate'. Bullshit, JD was artrock postpunk as well but you didn't need to be a poet laureate to enjoy Transmission or Isolation.

U2's new CD is pretty good. I never liked them that much before ... but i have been downloading some of their older stuff and it's quite good as far as songs go. Bono, the rock star, is annoying ...and has an inflated ego, but i'd rather watch him on the telly than the likes of Justin Limperdick.

As far as comparing the bands it's hard to say. They come from the same 'punk' roots, so in that sense they may have certain similar sensibilities. Musically, U2 as 'rock' musicians, in "by-the-book" rock standards, are perhaps technically 'better' than New Order. But IMHO i never cared about by-the-book music and 'ohh...ahhh' guitar licks.

U2 are a rock band in the classic sense and are proud of it. New Order are definately not...that's why we love them. New Order redefined a musical style and attitude that was very much punk. The "who gives a shit and lets leave the sequencers on instead of doing a fuckin encore..." attitude, resulted in a classic track that will be remembered to have changed the face of dance music and influence a whole generation of bands. U2 WILL NEVER HAVE THAT NO MATTER HOW HARD THEY TRY....AND NEW ORDER ACHIEVED IT WITHOUT TYRING!

Effortless beauty born from mistakes...perfect imperfection...that's how I describe New Order. A U2 fan wouldn NOT get that because they are more easily impressed by the Edge's (recycled) guitar, Bono's stage 'presence', as well as his recent media friendly humanitarian efforts.

Although it's hard for me to be impartial, I'd have to say that New Order and U2 are two very different bands because they have members with very different personalitites and musical/social goals. It's almost like comparing apples to oranges: Bono is a media whore, while New Order have traditionally chose to avoid interviews completely (Imagine Bernard Sumner on Oprah...that would NEVER happen, no matter how just the cause...it's just not his style). U2's music is stadium crowd-pleaser rock that has not evolved much since their early days, (I woud have to say though, that I do appreciate the lyrics and sentiments of some of their songs). In comparison New Orders music is slightly more varied and experimental, hence stylistically harder to categorize. New Order and U2 are both great bands in their own right...and share similar musical roots and (to some extent) attitiude. BUT what is more appealing and respectable to me is how New Order overcame obstacles and managed to conquer and fuse more than one style of music (from post punk to rock to dance/electronic)with more style and humility than Bono will ever dream of.

N.

I better do not respond to people who think U2 is better than NO.

Don't get me wrong - I have U2-CDs (the boys used to be good back then)... Bono is getting too sanctimonious for me (it began to bother me at the first Live Aid)... The Egde is always playing the same two or three chords on his guitar and the other two... Well they're there, too. OK they made some great songs through the years, but these days I can't take them seriously anymore.

NO are still the likeable guys from next door. They don't need great gestures, they just want to make music that is heard. They don't want to be canonised like Bono. And most important: Quality comes for quantity.

:\ohwell:

Tarbox23 wrote: I'd be glad I ran into someone who listens to two decent bands, especially considering what garbage so many folks listen to these days.

U2 is a decent band. They have put out like 10 times as many songs as New Order, so of course they have more clunkers, and more hits...

Why piss on U2? it is a small world, with many bad bad bad bad bad bad bands... U2 is not a worry.

And, hey, whatever. Not everyone likes New Order. Who cares?

I couldn't agree more.

They both have drumming legends They both have a musician lauded for his own unique style (Hooky/Edge) They both have a singer who can be embarrasing (Bernard for some lyrics & BAD singing / bono for some lyrics & being Bono) They both have a fourth member in the group(!)

and, they have both written some of the most instantly recognisable tracks in the last 30 years.

There's room for both,

But I prefer NEWorder

CuanaD wrote: They both have drumming legends They both have a musician lauded for his own unique style (Hooky/Edge) They both have a singer who can be embarrasing (Bernard for some lyrics & BAD singing / bono for some lyrics & being Bono) They both have a fourth member in the group(!)

and, they have both written some of the most instantly recognisable tracks in the last 30 years.

There's room for both,

But I prefer NEWorder

well well said. and Spotnick as usual makes serious sense.

why do we need to have a post to bash U2?

clearly, as we all post here more than at the U2 forum (whatever it is - hell, they probably have like 10 of em) - so we all like New Order here.

But there is really not much to DISLIKE about U2. You say Bono has a huge ego? Well, compared to other stars at his level, what has he done WRONG? He is pretty much the perfect gentleman, and hard to get upset about that.

They make good music. Better than 99% of the crap out there.

and whoever said U2 has not influenced any other bands? bullshti. evidence? I bet U2 has influenced more bands than New Order just based on wider exposure.

Now, it isn't 'cool' to like U2. So what?

U2 is four guys who CARE about music, not fandom, not stardom, not the money... they have never been about big rockstar egos. They put effort into their music, and have the sense to know Joy Division was a Great Band. I guess, as a musician, I have always respected them, even though it isn't 'cool' to admit in those type of AJ Wells circles where the only good bands are the ones that only you have heard of....

Whatever. If you were Bono, wouldn't you be a bit pretentious? Might it not TAKE a bit of pretension and ego to do what he has done? Sure, John Lennon had an ego too. And so does Peter Hook. But ego alone is not evil. And last time I checked, Bono never made an ass out of himself, never used his position for bullshit purposes. Never uses his presence to cash in or get girls or sell product.

So, what the hell? Here is a band, that in the huge universe of music, is really in the same neighborhood as New Order. Why piss on them?

Let's use our vitriol against bands like Avril punkster Lavigne, Britney Spears and Nsync, please.

i would say everyone is entitled to their opinion.

on a seperate note, a friend of mine is a huge U2 and casual NO fan, and I when I explained to him how moving it was to me to see Barney sing JD songs, I used U2 as an example, I said imagine if Bono committed suicide, and you saw the edge singing songs from boy, or war, and it really put the whole JD/NO thing in perspective for him and gave him a new appreciation for them. :)

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: ...Bongo's ego needs to be bombed like a small Arab nation of your choosing...

Don't get me wrong, I like U2 just as much as the next guy but Bono should stop sticking his nose into world politics and stick to music. Why do celebrities think that they know what's best for us 'normal' people?

Ironwill wrote: Bono should stop sticking his nose into world politics and stick to music.

At least he actually tries to do some good and make a difference in the world. I don't get this whole mindset that says "Celebrities shouldn't have an opinion on anything". Why shouldn't they?

So I went to the European Commission's official website this morning, and whose photo is on the home page?

Of course, Bono. Who else?

And the main headline:

European Commission President to appeal, with Bono, to put the EU on track to double development aid

Wherever the guy's heart is, there really is risk of a backlash; as in, can anyone in Europe do anything without fucking Bono involved?

"Bono, Rest of Europe Suffer Heat Wave"

Yeah i kind of go with the "Oranges and Apples" view.I did go thru a period som eyears ago when i was angry U2 appeared to have taken elemnts of JDs and NOs atmsphere and got world recogntion out of it.Bur i really cant be arsed anymore.Id rather Wildlife On One

are U2 great? no, they know how to market themselves and they do have some good songs, personally i like a bit of u-2 , the only album i like start to finish is unforgettable fire, and a few songs here and there, but probably nothing after 1988.

as for new order their work , seems a little more thought out has a lot more integrity, they just made their music, didnt worry (or go on and on and on) about third world debt or nelson mandella or they "Faith" in a higher power. i want to hear music, not have Bono's Views Shoved down my throat, he does make Neworderstory though he is such a phony Nitwit that its comical

Isamu wrote: ....How would you respond to someone that made that statement?

I'd tell them they were perfectly entitled to their opinion (but think they had no taste, style or judgement...:D )

I saw U2 in 1981 and Bono was an arse then. Bare chest and cuban heels

frank smarra wrote: are U2 great? no, they know how to market themselves

This says it all for me... had NO been on Island or another "independant" subsidiary with a marketing department????? Personally it's JD all the way with NO a very close second and to parphrase AHW...... "Bono's performance at Live Aid was superb but Ian's would have been even better"

frank smarra wrote: didnt worry (or go on and on and on) about third world debt or nelson mandella or they "Faith" in a higher power. i want to hear music, not have Bono's Views Shoved down my throat, he does make Neworderstory though he is such a phony Nitwit that its comical

wait a second.

let me see if you guys can follow this:

A band makes good music that many people like.

Thus, the media report on them.

Thus, anything that Bono says get published.

Now, you don't have to read about them! How is Bono 'shoving his views down your throat'???

I guess to be a proper musician, you are supposed to be completely apolitical and hide away from the media?

So, is New Order doing benefit concerts and Vietnam, etc etc, 'shoving their views down your throat'???

Look, U2 are not more popular because they have 'better marketing' - their music just naturally appeals to more people. Which isn't our concern. Whatever.

But you guys trying to say Bono is forcing his morality and political values down your throats need to chill. That is ridiculous.

Bono will be able to look at himself in the mirror at age 80 and be proud. Not all rockstars can say that. Especially the majority who would rather be coked up screwing bimbos all day in their mansions hiding from the press....

Bono has had a positive effect on our globe more than YOU will ever have. So cut the guy some slack. He is just a musician who got lucky and connected with the masses through his music.

Your jealousy is readily apparent.

Miss Disco wrote:

Ironwill wrote: Bono should stop sticking his nose into world politics and stick to music.

At least he actually tries to do some good and make a difference in the world. I don't get this whole mindset that says "Celebrities shouldn't have an opinion on anything". Why shouldn't they?

He's a hypocrite - raking in millions from poncing around and then preaching to the masses about freeing global debt. I'd have thought someone who was concerned with poverty might not produce, say, a repackaged 'deluxe edition' album with DVD or special limited-edition iPod motivated by what appears to be sheer greed. Don't get me wrong, I agree with the general intentions of his statements and I've enjoyed the odd U2 song, but maybe if he spent less money on sunglasses and put it where his mouth is, I'd respect him more. Just an opinion CTB

Actually Zooropa is underrated. The Wanderer>>>>>all :)

U2 are a good band compared to most other bands - but I just don't like them.

What's the big deal? Some of their early songs I like but I have NO idea why they're so popular and so praised. They're bland and boring!

New order's WFTSC debuted at #11 in my city. That's good enough for a band that started in the mid-70s for fucks sake, not to mention 25 years after losing their lead singer. I couldn't give a toss if they're not as big as U2.

But I'm used to my tastes being out of sync with the public. In my world Velvet Underground, Kraftwerk, Ramones, Roxy Music, Sonic Youth and about a hundred other bands stand head and shoulders above U2 in terms of quality, but there's just no link at all between quality and popularity.

I bet that if New Order were as consistently good live as they are on records they would be much more popular, but let's face it: sometimes they're astoundingly awful live, just embarrassing. I love them but they really need to put some thought into improving their live sound. Bernard actually has a really appealing voice on record, but live...

U2 are a good band compared to most other bands - but I just don't like them.

What's the big deal? Some of their early songs I like but I have NO idea why they're so popular and so praised. They're bland and boring!

New order's WFTSC debuted at #11 in my city. That's good enough for a band that started in the mid-70s for fucks sake, not to mention 25 years after losing their lead singer. I couldn't give a toss if they're not as big as U2.

But I'm used to my tastes being out of sync with the public. In my world Velvet Underground, Kraftwerk, Ramones, Roxy Music, Sonic Youth and about a hundred other bands stand head and shoulders above U2 in terms of quality, but there's just no link at all between quality and popularity.

I bet that if New Order were as consistently good live as they are on records they would be much more popular, but let's face it: sometimes they're astoundingly awful live, just embarrassing. I love them but they really need to put some thought into improving their live sound. Bernard actually has a really appealing voice on record, but live...

I think New Order's "problem" over the years as far as chart success goes, is that they have been considered too alternative by the pop kids and too poppy by the indie kids, thus falling in a kind of middle ground.

shot bru wrote: I think New Order's "problem" over the years as far as chart success goes, is that they have been considered too alternative by the pop kids and too poppy by the indie kids, thus falling in a kind of middle ground.

This is known as XTC-syndrome.

i never even tried to compare the two bands because i always thought they were too different from each other. musically though the 80's, new order defined electronic rock wheras new order defined stadium rock for alternative rockers. the 90's saw new order disapear while U2 tried to be a bit more electronic.

as far as band members go and image, new order could have been as big as u2, but they never let their ego get the better of them and avoided the spotlight. bono, well you know, he seems like he loves attention though i will admit i do admire his charity work and using his fame to help those less fortunate.

i like u2, with or without you still makes me all fuzzy inside but i prefer new order cause they're simply more fun to listen to and can get a hold of your emotions without you realizing. u2 is either brilliant or boring and i feel they've been boring the last 15 years.

I'd rip their tongue out and fry it off with some garlic then stick it in a pitta bread and wash it back with a tin of Tennents super!

Tarbox23 wrote:

Bono has had a positive effect on our globe more than YOU will ever have.

Um, I'd like to think I've done some positive things for the globe in my time as well... maybe I've been wasting my time.

So, if I drive a box of clothes to the City Mission in an SUV I'm a resource-hogging bastard; but if I were to drag 10 tractor-trailers full of "Pop-Mart" tour bullshit across the country I'd be a hero.

I'd admire Bono's pushing more if I believed he were pushing in the right direction this time. For now, though, I'll continue donating privately to charities of my own choosing to the disdain of Tarboxes everywhere.

All hail Bono.

By the way, here's a fun interview with U2. "No, we're not hypocrites! It's our lawyers' fault!"

P.S. All of which is my way of saying, I don't blame Bono ... I blame the rest of us for putting him on a pedestal while so many others are worthy of the attention. "With or Without You" only buys so much good will.

Bod wrote: I'd rip their tongue out and fry it off with some garlic then stick it in a pitta bread and wash it back with a tin of Tennents super!

I love this guy, for some reason i think we have similiar taste.

CTB wrote:

Miss Disco wrote:

Ironwill wrote: Bono should stop sticking his nose into world politics and stick to music.

At least he actually tries to do some good and make a difference in the world. I don't get this whole mindset that says "Celebrities shouldn't have an opinion on anything". Why shouldn't they?

He's a hypocrite - raking in millions from poncing around and then preaching to the masses about freeing global debt. I'd have thought someone who was concerned with poverty might not produce, say, a repackaged 'deluxe edition' album with DVD or special limited-edition iPod motivated by what appears to be sheer greed. Don't get me wrong, I agree with the general intentions of his statements and I've enjoyed the odd U2 song, but maybe if he spent less money on sunglasses and put it where his mouth is, I'd respect him more. Just an opinion CTB

You must be a Collingwood supporter.......

U2, New Order and The Police are my 3 favourite artists.

YOu can't compare Bono to Barney. Same era yes but totally different musically. It's not like comparing Bush to Hitler.

Other than that, U2 live are better thany any of their records. New Order are the opposite.

Miss Disco wrote:

Ironwill wrote: Bono should stop sticking his nose into world politics and stick to music.

At least he actually tries to do some good and make a difference in the world. I don't get this whole mindset that says "Celebrities shouldn't have an opinion on anything". Why shouldn't they?

Hi from Greece! I agree with you Miss Disco that celebs must try for the difference in world BUT especially for Bono the one day is saying that US has to stop sticking their nose into everything and that Bill Clinton is a criminal or something -not sure sorry- and the other day is going to Bill Clinton's party!!!! (if i remember well that happened during ex-Yugoslavia's war) Anyway this is the only reason that i don't like U2 although that are great musicians. I prefer for their contribution for world peace and for Africa's children Lady D Annie Lenox Roger Moore Piere Luigi Collina and so many others who tried harder than Bono and they were more considerate than him anyway. no offence Miss Disco - take care

It's only from doing research on the Minus One that I correctly answered the Thessaloniki, Greece question on the EU's online geography quiz.

New Order Online - It's educational.

Gnu Odor wrote: It's only from doing research on the Minus One that I correctly answered the Thessaloniki, Greece question on the EU's online geography quiz.

New Order Online - It's educational.

Hi from Thessaloniki!!! well done!!!

By the way..

I'm still looking for that U2 live track that ends with Love will tear us apart..

where can I get it!

please help me!!!!

and...yes..U2 has a more prolific career than New order but they never had their depth...sense of emotion and freeness...sorry U2 fans!

Mofo Sapien wrote:

CTB wrote:

Miss Disco wrote:

Ironwill wrote: Bono should stop sticking his nose into world politics and stick to music.

At least he actually tries to do some good and make a difference in the world. I don't get this whole mindset that says "Celebrities shouldn't have an opinion on anything". Why shouldn't they?

He's a hypocrite - raking in millions from poncing around and then preaching to the masses about freeing global debt. I'd have thought someone who was concerned with poverty might not produce, say, a repackaged 'deluxe edition' album with DVD or special limited-edition iPod motivated by what appears to be sheer greed. Don't get me wrong, I agree with the general intentions of his statements and I've enjoyed the odd U2 song, but maybe if he spent less money on sunglasses and put it where his mouth is, I'd respect him more. Just an opinion CTB

You must be a Collingwood supporter.......

U2, New Order and The Police are my 3 favourite artists.

YOu can't compare Bono to Barney. Same era yes but totally different musically. It's not like comparing Bush to Hitler.

Other than that, U2 live are better thany any of their records. New Order are the opposite.

You must be a Bulldogs fan, going by the spelling

There's no accounting for taste or opinion, and for the record I wasn't comparing Barn to Bono, and I wouldn't think of trying to do so.

Your preference is for the slick, soul-less professionalism of a U2 gig over the inspired genius/unholy racket lottery draw of New Order gigs Each to their own.

BTW, St Kilda are my team of choice, so naturally the accusation of Collingwood fandom is deeply offensive - but it did at least guarantee a reply post; I can't leave a statement like that hanging for all to see!

CTB

CTB wrote:

Miss Disco wrote:

Ironwill wrote: Bono should stop sticking his nose into world politics and stick to music.

At least he actually tries to do some good and make a difference in the world. I don't get this whole mindset that says "Celebrities shouldn't have an opinion on anything". Why shouldn't they?

He's a hypocrite - raking in millions from poncing around and then preaching to the masses about freeing global debt. I'd have thought someone who was concerned with poverty might not produce, say, a repackaged 'deluxe edition' album with DVD or special limited-edition iPod motivated by what appears to be sheer greed. Don't get me wrong, I agree with the general intentions of his statements and I've enjoyed the odd U2 song, but maybe if he spent less money on sunglasses and put it where his mouth is, I'd respect him more. Just an opinion CTB

Here's a snippet from an article in the Chicago-Sun Times (Link Here)

The group scrolled the text of the first few articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, adopted by the United Nations in 1948, over its giant video screens and encouraged concertgoers not to flick their lighters but to hold up their cell phones, then text-message their contact info to the band's hunger-relief charity program. This assumed, of course, that people had money left to donate after spending as much as $168 plus service fees for U2 concert tickets.

Now who said Bono doesn't shove his views down your throat? If you're at his concert (I say his because he thinks he IS U2) what are you going to do? Stick your fingers in your ears and close your eyes? This article hits it on the head. I encourage others to read it.

I'd just tell them they are wrong and something horrible will probably happen to them. U2 is gizay

I did allow myself a little chuckle back in 1991 when U2 tried to go a bit "dancey" with some of the stuff on Achtung Baby.Ermm.. hate to tell you Bongo but New Order invented the "Rock band does dance music" thing back in 83 with Blue Monday and countless other tunes.I remember all the people i used to work with back then thinking it was really new and innovative.I just used to sit back and think how hip id been since 1984

And of course U2 will never have , as one journalist once put it, "the cheeky spunk" of New Order.Wouldn`t have quite put it in those words but i agreed entirely with what he meant.

i rather slit my wrist then listen to bono. I beleive he is a well-intentioned messanic figure, and it is interesting to read that he change jessie helm's mind about aids.

For you non- americans, jessie helm is a firebrand conservative. Prior to bono's intentervention, he thought of aids as a sinner's disease. However, he still speaks against the civil right movement of 60's. This is quite ironic considering he has illegimate child of a black women.

stellar man, huh?

And for all you Americans, that's Strom Thurmond with the illegitimate daughter, not Jesse Helms.

Like you give a flaming fork.

Your right!! i feel like an idiot. You can see why i would get the two confused. Helms is still a douchebag!!!

I would say: look, mate, you're a fan of U2, that's why you think they're better than New Order. I am a New Order fan (see? it's even my nick name on the net!), and that's why I think they're better than U2. It's so obvious. U2 were a decent band inspired by Joy Division in the early albums, but then they lost it a bit. I'd rather see them as losing their artistic potential, that's worse than New Order losing their commercial potential... they have some good songs, but they never get where New Order often get... I mean they NEVER made something like True Faith... their songs are more commercially designed, much safer, they're a bit like REM, bands who could have been great if they dared to go that little bit further, but chose huge success instead... I think other bands dared that little bit more, like The Smiths, Pixies or Depeche Mode... they did songs like Bigmouth Strikes Again, Monkey Gone To Heaven and Never Let Me Down Again... still not at the level of New Order, but damn closer than U2... New Year's Day, With Or Without You, well... fookin great songs, but still underachieving when compared to other bands, not to mention the most of the stuff which is just mildly pleasant, including the new album... But then of course I say this, while a U2 fan will disagree, it's really obvious.

Tell them that Liam Gallagher is on to something...

So wait a minute are you guys trying to tell me that albums like Achtung Baby, and songs like Stay, Gone, If You Feel Loved and Lemon are rubbish?

Come on now get a clue....

Isamu wrote: So wait a minute are you guys trying to tell me that albums like Achtung Baby, and songs like Stay, Gone, If You Feel Loved and Lemon are rubbish?

Not rubbish, just a bit dull. And when a band bills themself as the 'world's most important rock band' they sure as hell better not be dull.

I forgot about Lemon though, that is a great song.

Marc wrote: U2 blow

and this made me cringe - http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewThread&entryID=340010&categoryID=58&IsSticky=0&Mytoken=20050608142354

After seeing there performance on Conan O'Brian, I'd have to disagree :)

the average bloke in the street could probably name 5 U2 songs, but wouldn't be able to name a single NO song apart from maybe the Blue one. So they're bound to think U2 are better coz they're bigger and more successful than NO. Not many people in the population know about NO, but every fucker knows U2.

'We'll have to agree to disagree'

would be my response. Theres no point debating with anyone who starts a conversation with 'Dude'.

Id turn sideways to the sun And keep my thoughts from everyone

The answer is simple - you don't hear New Order singing snippets of U2 songs in their concerts do you? Yet the self proclaimed 'Greatest Band in the World '(TM) do the reverse every gig they play.

Mind you, Achtung is cool!

brade27 wrote: The answer is simple - you don't hear New Order singing snippets of U2 songs in their concerts do you? Yet the self proclaimed 'Greatest Band in the World '(TM) do the reverse every gig they play.

Mind you, Achtung is cool!

Oh, that's a good response. Don't mind U2, although Bono is a annoying git sometimes.

U2?? Who's that??

lol

((((e))))

Spotnick said

I can find crap songs on most U2 albums, I can't say the same about New Order.. nobody can play the bass like Hooky

Bono is a media/attention whore. To me that is vulgar and profane.

I'd say "yeah,fascinating..hey, i've gotta go" or something along those lines, i know everyone has their own opinion and thats fine, personally i stopped realy listening to u2 after Achtung baby, they did some songs i like a lot but so did a lot of other groups but i always feel protective towards New Order and will defend them to the last, ...except subculture...the achilles heel in my opinion.

What can you say? I have this argument with mates of mine quite often when were pissed, but you are always gonna be talking at cross purposes. Because as a New Order fan you will probably interpret the meaning of quality as innovation, effortless cool, not selling out and retaining dignity, surviving shit against the odds etc. The U2 fan will probably judge quality by record sales, sell out stadium gigs, number of singalonganthems` and so on. You do of course get people who love one and like the other, such as myself, but the two bands are too different for anyone to love both equally, IMO.

So why not just pool your resources and slag some shit like Coldplay off together instead?

I hate it when people dig up old threads.it reminds me of where my head was at that time

Find a good sounding bootleg and play Leave Me Alone. Let the music speak.

Miss Disco wrote:

Ironwill wrote: Bono should stop sticking his nose into world politics and stick to music.

At least he actually tries to do some good and make a difference in the world. I don't get this whole mindset that says "Celebrities shouldn't have an opinion on anything". Why shouldn't they?

Because usually, they're not qualified on which they speak? I seriously doubt any of these celebrities do any fact checking or critical analysis. It would be beneficial to us all, if we listen to a smarter sort than the current "celeb with a cause". IMHO, the best way to use your celebrity is to promote a good cause and to direct peoples attention to a qualified individual in the field. I'm not really interested in their personal opinions. Furthermore, I feel sorry for those who take celebrities' opinions to heart.