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The key to decoding the heavily textured synth/guitar interplay of "Embrace" (and compelling cuts such as "All Things Change," "Walking Shade" and "Pretty, Pretty Star") lies in Corgan's not-so-distant past, when he toured the States with legendary New Order as side axeman.

Sublimating his bandleader ego, he hid in the shadows, beneath that same floppy Cubs cap, and happily strummed what he was told to — even historical tracks from the group's earlier incarnation as Joy Division.

Recalling a gig high point, when vocalist Bernard Sumner prodded his protege to sing lead on Joy Division's "Love Will Tear Us Apart," Corgan suddenly rolls up his sleeve, points to his arms, and marvels, "See? here they come — goosebumps! I get goosebumps just thinking about it. As a musician, that sound, that heaviness, when those three (New Order) guys play together? It's like Picasso territory."

Scholarly Corgan, now 38, suddenly found himself the student.

What did he learn from New Order? Two things, he says. "One is that true power is rhythmic, it's not volume. And the rhythmic relationship is internal — that's something that all the early blues guys like Robert Johnson understood. And secondarily, where I'd always figured New Order were really pretentious and drew their whole sound out as some Bauhaus concept, no — they are energy whores. You show them where the energy goes, they will follow it. When I played with'em, they hadn't played Joy Division songs in 22 years, and I said, 'Why did you choose to play these songs again?' And they said, 'We just felt like it.' They didn't intellectualize the decision; they were just chasing down the rabbit hole."

Consequently, Corgan set several conscious parameters for the "Embrace" sessions. He used only one guitar per song, and swore off all live drums (even Chamberlin was forced to used synthesized skins).

But New Order had left its mark. "Every time I came to a decision where it was intellect versus energy," he recalls, "I chose energy, even if my intellect disagreed with it. Which was very hard for me, because I can intellectually override any concept. If we'd put one track up and say, 'I really like the way that sounds,' then we'd hear the other track and say, 'But that feels better,' we always went with the 'feels better.' Even though I'd really wanted the other one to work."

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SPOT:

What is all this about??...I need to catch up.

Can you give me some background please??

Thanks

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eCKOh wrote: SPOT:

What is all this about??...I need to catch up.

Can you give me some background please??

Thanks

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The full article is on the front page.

Billy Corgan is talking about his touring with New Order in 2001... and what he learned from them.

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IMHO, Billy Corgan was involved in the worst new order song ever: "turn my way".

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jonathan wrote: IMHO, Billy Corgan was involved in the worst new order song ever: "turn my way".

you must be kidding...it's one of the best ones on get ready...let me guess...u loved that piece of shit crystal.

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Spotnick wrote:

eCKOh wrote: SPOT:

What is all this about??...I need to catch up.

Can you give me some background please??

Thanks

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The full article is on the front page.

Billy Corgan is talking about his touring with New Order in 2001... and what he learned from them.

That did not help me at all bro but thanks.

I was referring to all the song titles and whatever else spotnick was talkgin about.

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jonathan wrote: IMHO, Billy Corgan was involved in the worst new order song ever: "turn my way".

I can't take anything you say seriously again. Sorry. 'Turn My Way' is the only good song on Get Ready. Even deaf people know this.

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Actually, i dont care for "crystal"What a fucking headache!! "turn my way" is so alt-rock. So whiney.

So much for differences of opinions.

As for you rubberlover, i never took what you said seriously.

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jonathan wrote: Actually, i dont care for "crystal"What a fucking headache!! "turn my way" is so alt-rock. So whiney.

So much for differences of opinions.

As for you rubberlover, i never took what you said seriously.

Of course it was whiney...corgan was on it...Oh well we agree to disagree on that one...

rubberlover I think I am going deaf...if I do will you all beat me to death please???THANKS

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However, i do like the piece of shit "jetstream".:evil4:

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Everybody knows that Turn My Way is my favorite track on Get Ready.

Obviously it's a north american thing... people in the UK hate it ;)

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jonathan wrote: However, i do like the piece of shit "jetstream".:evil4:

damn man...I think I'm losing consciousness.

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Spotnick wrote: Everybody knows that Turn My Way is my favorite track on Get Ready.

Obviously it's a north american thing... people in the UK hate it ;)

I think you're right. Its does sound overly american. If it was single it probably would of been a hit. I tend to like recent british music then more american music. Thats my excuse.

Dj eckoh, didnt i just read that you purchased the "jetstream" single.

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I'm repeating myself again, but I stil believe it was the biggest mistake that Turn My Way was not released as a single in the USA.

This would have charted high, and the Corgan effect would have probably helped.

But then again, there was a serious lack of promotion for Get Ready in the US, even if Crystal went to #1 of the dance chart, nothing else was released in the US.

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'Turn My Way' is the only good song on Get Ready. Even deaf people know this.

Heh? HEH??!!

There's this little nugget on there called Primitive Notion. If you can move forward after song #3 it's song #5.

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whatchatalkinbout? there are lots of good songs on get ready!

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jonathan wrote:

Dj eckoh, didnt i just read that you purchased the "jetstream" single.

I purchased the remixes to see if there was anything good on there and I wasn't overly impressed.

The original track sukks ass

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The original track sukks ass

So say we all of us.

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LE Roberts wrote:

The original track sukks ass

So say we all of us.

Jonathan disagrees though

:shrug:

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Turn my Way is a weaker 1979.

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Hannett of the Apes wrote: Turn my Way is a weaker 1979.

apples and oranges...what if corgan wasnt even on the track??

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eCKOh wrote:

Hannett of the Apes wrote: Turn my Way is a weaker 1979.

apples and oranges...what if corgan wasnt even on the track??

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I would have to blame on NO and not corgan.

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eCKOh wrote:

Hannett of the Apes wrote: Turn my Way is a weaker 1979.

apples and oranges...what if corgan wasnt even on the track??

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I would have to blame it on NO and not corgan.

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why doesn't it mention that he played in liverpool?

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jonathan wrote:

eCKOh wrote:

Hannett of the Apes wrote: Turn my Way is a weaker 1979.

apples and oranges...what if corgan wasnt even on the track??

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I would have to blame it on NO and not corgan.

Kind of like Hannett with Movement or Stephen Hague with Republic :D.

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They had to include in Get Ready-Player in a League.

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