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What song you wish New Order never would have made?
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Jetstream - embarrassing in every aspect. Sounds like it was slapped together by a DJ or producer for the sole purpose of catering to a pop music audience. I still find it unlistenable.
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Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: let me be the first to say: Slow Jam
I’d have to disagree with you. I love Slow Jam. Some dodgy lyrics, but a good song.
Tenohtwo wrote: Jetstream - embarrassing in every aspect. Sounds like it was slapped together by a DJ or producer for the sole purpose of catering to a pop music audience. I still find it unlistenable.
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Probably true, but still listenable.
shot bru wrote: Catch me if you can Cos' I'm the England man And what you're looking at Is the master plan
Come on, it wasn't that bad. When you're drunk, it's amazing.
For me, it’s Thieves Like Us. Reminds me of Come On Eileen.
Toss up out of these three:
Rock The Shack
Times Change
Young Offender
First two are about even money though
To tell you the truth I can't think of any - their highs are better appreciated when contrasted with their lows, so I wouldn't be without these...
I also think it's good when they experiment and muck about with different styles, sometimes with mixed results...
The song I like least is 'state of nation' (even though i despise the female PM who inspired it)... but i don't wish they hadn't made it...
Cheer up ya old buggers!
Noel Breaks wrote: sub-culture for me
agree thers no melody in this song
but the worst has to be rock the shack what were they on?
There's been a few! State of the nation i didn't 'get' Krafty bugs me Love Vig - I know its good but i hate C&W
but the first one to really worry me & i still dont like it is:
Thieves Like Us 
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Subculture is in the top 10-15 of all NO songs for me (The Substance version).
I wish they had made Guilt a single instead of an album track (ala Here to Stay).
Although that Hooky said in an interview that -all our songs are fucking great- i'll go for Rock the Shack
this is a good question. I listen to New Order since 1987, and i think there are many songs they never would have made !! For me, you can find the most of these songs on their last album : i told you so, working overtime, Guilt is a useless emotion. Sorry if i hurt someone with this...
Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: let me be the first to say: Slow Jam
The first to say it, but not the last. Dreadful in every possible way.
Aleph via Krafty wrote: We All Stand
Even worse than Slow Jam.
oldmonkey wrote: Most of Brotherhood!
Worst offender being Every Little Counts. This is a pisstake.
even the live glastonbury version? come on its great!
the only one they really shouldn't have made is the 'american' version of Let's go. The instrumental is excellent, the demo is not bad at all, but the third one: yuk
Jetstream....very lame and dull sounding New Order! Also 'I Told you so' makes me reach for the 'skip this track' button.
Spotnick wrote:
leeharveyoswald1963 wrote: slow jam, turn my way.
Leave Turn My Way alone...
My feeling as well.
oldmonkey wrote:
Worst offender being Every Little Counts. This is a pisstake.
bah! a hex on you, young(ish) man! 
rock the goddamn shack.
I like all the songs metioned except guilt, never should have made it. It doesn't even have a good chorus. I recommend more work with primal scream. there last two albums are incredible!
Patrick wrote:
Spotnick wrote:
leeharveyoswald1963 wrote: slow jam, turn my way.
Leave Turn My Way alone...
My feeling as well.
I forgot to add TURN, most generic new order song ever.
Denial_1963 wrote: I loved State of Nation song. The lyrics really poor.
Agreed again, some of their best instumental work.
WIFM - "there is no question about it"
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'"Run Wild" though I'm not sure about that one - the girly loves it, knows all the lyrics and gets rather 'cuddly' whenever she hears it! New Order as an aphrodisiac? Odd...
And I really must defend SOTN and Shellshock - they were the outstanding tracks of the years they were released. Perhaps not New Order's best, but seeing them on The Tube, etc was great after waiting for the new album...
I think Barney really loves jetstream....well judging by his dancing at glasto hes well into it.
thank god some other people like sotn, I was beginning to think i was the only one. Its not ultra-classic but those the funky disco guitars are great- and it contains the finest example of grunting as percussion, which bernard sadly does not do anymore. as for never recorded... its all part of life's rich tapestry innit?
lucy anna wrote: thank god some other people like sotn, I was beginning to think i was the only one. Its not ultra-classic but those the funky disco guitars are great- and it contains the finest example of grunting as percussion, which bernard sadly does not do anymore. as for never recorded... its all part of life's rich tapestry innit?
I liked state of the nation.
I think turn my way is a good one too but some ppl are against me on that one.
I don't see how ppl like Crystal over that song but hey...to each his own.
I agree Sub-culture 12 inch wasn't their best but still a decent effort.
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Rock the Shack ROCKS! I can't beleive so many people dislike this song. Do you not like noise rock mixed with melody? Do you have something against Primal Scream? Have you ever listened to Brotherhood?! And while I'm at it, whoever said 'Love Vigilantes' should have their NO fan club membership revoked. Nuff said.
Ian Curtis wrote: Rock the Shack ROCKS! I can't beleive so many people dislike this song. Do you not like noise rock mixed with melody? Do you have something against Primal Scream? Have you ever listened to Brotherhood?! And while I'm at it, whoever said 'Love Vigilantes' should have their NO fan club membership revoked. Nuff said.
Love Vigilantes is great...
ROCK A SHACK is pure garbage...It sounds like they took a shit and put it on a record.
That song pains me...thank god for "skip track"
How dare you compare rock a shack to Brotherhood...Comon maaannn!!!
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Ian Curtis wrote: Rock the Shack ROCKS! I can't beleive so many people dislike this song. Do you not like noise rock mixed with melody? Do you have something against Primal Scream? Have you ever listened to Brotherhood?! And while I'm at it, whoever said 'Love Vigilantes' should have their NO fan club membership revoked. Nuff said.
I too like RTS.
Patrick wrote:
Ian Curtis wrote: Rock the Shack ROCKS! I can't beleive so many people dislike this song. Do you not like noise rock mixed with melody? Do you have something against Primal Scream? Have you ever listened to Brotherhood?! And while I'm at it, whoever said 'Love Vigilantes' should have their NO fan club membership revoked. Nuff said.
I too like RTS.
I always knew you were a little off Trick...hahahaha
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eCKOh wrote:
Patrick wrote:
Ian Curtis wrote: Rock the Shack ROCKS! I can't beleive so many people dislike this song. Do you not like noise rock mixed with melody? Do you have something against Primal Scream? Have you ever listened to Brotherhood?! And while I'm at it, whoever said 'Love Vigilantes' should have their NO fan club membership revoked. Nuff said.
I too like RTS.
I always knew you were a little off Trick...hahahaha
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Don't let anybody else know, will you, T?
Patrick wrote:
eCKOh wrote:
Patrick wrote:
Ian Curtis wrote: Rock the Shack ROCKS! I can't beleive so many people dislike this song. Do you not like noise rock mixed with melody? Do you have something against Primal Scream? Have you ever listened to Brotherhood?! And while I'm at it, whoever said 'Love Vigilantes' should have their NO fan club membership revoked. Nuff said.
I too like RTS.
I always knew you were a little off Trick...hahahaha
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Don't let anybody else know, will you, T?
Too late...you've been exposed. Let's get back on topic before the rents come and beat us!
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Tenohtwo wrote: Jetstream - embarrassing in every aspect. Sounds like it was slapped together by a DJ or producer for the sole purpose of catering to a pop music audience. I still find it unlistenable.
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Exactly....Nobody bought it,so it was a failed stratagy.Hopefully,we will never hear the likes of Jetstream ever again..There has been the odd duffer along the way,tho non quite as embarrassing as J-E-T(feat.The sissor sisters terrible singer Ana Matronic)WTF is all that about?
Please, leave turn my way alone! good tune! my pick for the category is a tie between shellshock, and sub-culture. What were they thinking???
Boatraceface wrote:
Tenohtwo wrote: Jetstream - embarrassing in every aspect. Sounds like it was slapped together by a DJ or producer for the sole purpose of catering to a pop music audience. I still find it unlistenable.
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Exactly....Nobody bought it,so it was a failed stratagy.Hopefully,we will never hear the likes of Jetstream ever again..There has been the odd duffer along the way,tho non quite as embarrassing as J-E-T(feat.The sissor sisters terrible singer Ana Matronic)WTF is all that about?
The Remix is bearable but look what they had to start with.
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Just out of curiosity, What do people have against "Turn My Way"? Maybe as a Smashing Pumpkins fan, I am biased, but why the hate?
Jose Jimenez wrote: Just out of curiosity, What do people have against "Turn My Way"? Maybe as a Smashing Pumpkins fan, I am biased, but why the hate?
its just so bad.
Man, so many people hate Rock the shack, turn my way, and fine time. Well, Rock the shack and Fine time are in my top five new order songs. Why don't we all just hate guilt because it has a horrible chorus (its a let down!) I like parts of it though. But rock the shack is pure rock, reminds me of the stooges and velvet underground. I also like working overtime, but not as much as rock the shack. Now, they should never have made Jetstream the way they did. I think if they had made it differently, with different lyrics it could have been better. I love the bass on it, and the small bit of guitar, but thats it. Maybe Bernard should listen to Hooky more, because Hooky seems to not like Guilt or Jetstream. Ok, now when will they do more music like twisted tenderness. :D
Turn my way-a great song lyricly, melodicly, and it rocks. This is the kind of song that makes songwriters jealous. The first time I heard it, I was expecting to hate Billy Corgans whiney voice, but even that sounds good. Are you people judging these songs on how good they are, or are just comparing them to old school new order? Do you have to be able to dance to it at the club, or what? Cause if new order were playing these songs live at the club, I would certainly be dancing, and I bet the whole place would be.
what a bunch of crap. F you for asking.Shellshock :barf:
Crap song, crap video, leave it in the Eighties with A Flock of Seagulls and Spandau Ballet
Jetstream and Rock the shack are without a doubt the worst New Order songs. I don't think you can really even count MTO as a song. B-sides shouldn't count anyway. These are songs they decided to put on an album! And even release one as a single!
i can't belive some people are still bitching over Jetstream... my god... World in Motion...that is an embarassing song.
I think New Order that they made bad songs so I know not to make songs like those bad ones. Whatever they are. I hope to write a song thats as good as Rock the shack though!! :D
kino zon wrote: guilty partner sunrise most of get ready and republic
This is true? guilty partner? Sunrise? are you crazy? 
All off Movement.
Ultraviolence off PCL.
Nothing from Low-Life
Every Second Counts off Brotherhood.
Technique is perfect.
Nothing on Republic grates.
Slow Jam off Get Ready.
Working Overtime off WFTSC.
Wouldn't 'Tasty Fish' be great as a NO song :D but a little less synth sounding, you know, throw a bit of hooky's bass in there and that would be a classic NO song, Gillian's vocals could remain also, just like when Hooky had a track or two with his vocals on Movement.
Other's that would of been good as NO songs... Hmm, Reality would of been a good one. Sorry for the sudden change of subject, I originally read this thread as 'What song you wish New Order WOULD have made?' So i'll now get to the original subject;
Songs that NO shouldn't have made?
Times Change There's a few on Movement I believe.
Oh and btw, 'Chemical' is bloody great, so is 'Young Offender'.
hmmmmm..
mto is pretty much worthless.... shellshock is the worst single.... chemical is probably the worst album track....
winner: chemical.
I always had pride in knowing that I could enjoy all New Order albums in the past. I have to say though they should have scrapped most of the new album. I can stand maybe 3 or 4 songs on it.
I have to defend Rock The Shack, I rather like it. Same with Every Little Counts; it's a fun little song.
But as for the worst songs, I'd have to say:
Guilt
Working Overtime ( I just can't bear to listen to this at all)
Slow Jam
Chuckles wrote:
shellshock is the worst single....
NEVER! It's one of their finest!
To answer the question, I wish they'd never made a song like Crapstream... Sorry, that's their nadir...
Andrew Sayer wrote: State of the Nation -
Utter drivel
Good instrumentation-lyrically very ordinary.
Shergold Six wrote:
Andrew Sayer wrote: State of the Nation -
Good instrumentation-lyrically very ordinary.
Lyrically one of NO's better songs. Autobiographical, political and social.
But how can the portrait of an only son also have a brother who said that he was dead?
I think that you can take your pick from the new album- Hooky and Steve should give Barney a talking to and tell him to get his finger out and start writing lyrics that aren't a total embarrassment.
And is it just me, or are New Order starting to sound like Barney's side-project to Electronic?
My first impression of WFTSC was that quite a few of the songs have a heavy Twisted Tenderness kind of Electronic Sound; so that makes me think that Barney is in charge on the songwriting front.
As for the popularity of this debate... should we start a new thread; Do you wish New Order had never been made - sheesh -
As far as sounding like Electronic, I think Electronic have some better songs that wftsc does. Off the album I can only really enjoy Who's Joe, hnwyd, wfstc, krafty, and wo. And sometimes turn, its a song that should be great, but for some reason it feels dull lately. I think Get Ready out does it. Although, I do agree that Barney must be in control of songwriting. I think Hooky should be though, :D. I guess they'll never be the same group, we just have to love the new NO.
HI everyone, my first post here. well it's gotta be subculture, i always used to skip it on the album and then when it came out as a single i could't believe it 
, anyway, long time ago now, all's forgiven ;)
I can see what people think about Fine Time, but I like the 7" single because it's short and to the point. The longer versions feel like they go on and on and on...
State Of The Nation could have been avoided first. Then I have to say that I do not buy into [orange]World In Motion[/orange]. My deepest apologies if I am hurting some of you, has nothing to do with hating Football neither the British football team!!!
oh the hatred! How LOVELY ;)
For me? Rock The Shack the arrangement is too busy
"I Told You So"-electro-reggae umm NO-NEXT!!!
I love "Fine Time" maybe cause it and all of "Technique" recall acid-house and that time too clearly-so maybe dated is more like it
"Jetstream" SNORE tho Ana Matronic is cool
"Run Wild" Barney channels James Taylor. No Barney's lyrics can be really weak at times
Times Change - embarrassing and unlistenable tripe
Sub-culture 12" - OOH AHH 
Anyone who says they don't like Shellshock should listen to the 12" (NOT the alledged 12" on substance - the black plastic round one)
There are three for me in total.And a few people i am sure will not agree with me but i will put them in order of worst first. Slow Jam,Run wild,And I hate to say it but Sub Culture ?Now i know this does alot for alot of people but i am afraid not for me ???:\ohwell:
Where do we start? Doubts Even Here, ICB, Mesh, Cries & Whispers, Ecstasy, Sooner Than You Think, Shellshock/Cock, State/Shame of the Nation, that Subculture 12", Perfect Kiss (edit), Way of Life, All Day Long, Angel Dust, All The Way, Guilty Partner, Times Change, Liar, Young Offender, 60mph, Vicious Streak, Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (album version), Jetstream (album again).
There's been at least one howler on each and every album.
Though I'm sure a lot will disagree.
Unagiboy wrote: I can see what people think about Fine Time, but I like the 7" single because it's short and to the point. The longer versions feel like they go on and on and on...
With something like Fine Time, the shorter the better. The best version is zero inches, zero minutes, and zero seconds.
I got meself a deck for my birthday last week and have been playing most of my old vinyl, so I am pretty qualified to say the whole of Technique can go in the bin!
Al Jarvis wrote: Where do we start? Doubts Even Here, ICB, Mesh, Cries & Whispers, Ecstasy, Sooner Than You Think, Shellshock/Cock, State/Shame of the Nation, that Subculture 12", Perfect Kiss (edit), Way of Life, All Day Long, Angel Dust, All The Way, Guilty Partner, Times Change, Liar, Young Offender, 60mph, Vicious Streak, Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (album version), Jetstream (album again).
There's been at least one howler on each and every album.
Though I'm sure a lot will disagree.
Do you actually like this band?;)
patrick stewart appreciation society wrote:
Al Jarvis wrote: Where do we start? Doubts Even Here, ICB, Mesh, Cries & Whispers, Ecstasy, Sooner Than You Think, Shellshock/Cock, State/Shame of the Nation, that Subculture 12", Perfect Kiss (edit), Way of Life, All Day Long, Angel Dust, All The Way, Guilty Partner, Times Change, Liar, Young Offender, 60mph, Vicious Streak, Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (album version), Jetstream (album again).
There's been at least one howler on each and every album.
Though I'm sure a lot will disagree.
Do you actually like this band?;)
It´s a joke Al Jarvis? 
Bloody hell Al you have snubbed some good ones there mate ?
Like 60mph,and Perfect Kiss ???
But people are people and if we all liked the same things life would be very boring i guesse.
this is my first post here.
i've been a fan since 1991 and i think 'Guilt is a Useless Emotion' is the best song on the album, the chorus is brilliant and it's the only cut on the album that actually sounds like New Order SHOULD SOUND in 2005. and, unlike all the old-fogey rock tracks on the new album, it doesn't make my penis soft.
you guys need to stop listening to so much 'twisted tenderness' or joy division. new order is about the electronic side as well.
and as far as all the MTO haters, i drop that cut in all my old-school house sets and every f00king time i do it, someone asks me about the song - MTO is all about the VIBE, the sound of house in 1989. no other house track sounds like it BEFORE or SINCE.
and my worst NO songs:
We All Stand, Rock the Shack and Jetstream.
Subculture (12" version) was a huge influence on me - I still don't understand why people hate it so much. the electro breakdown in the middle is very much in the vein of the US 'freestyle' records of the late 80s.
and all Told You So needs is some BASS. how can it be ragga with no BASS? whoever produced that needs to visit a black nightclub.
just my opinion, thx.
Jake Dudek wrote: Bloody hell Al you have snubbed some good ones there mate ? Like 60mph,and Perfect Kiss ???
Haven't snubbed Perfect Kiss, Jake. It's the edit on Low-Life which is an insult to the original. Love the original itself.
Still think 60mph is shit though.
Al Jarvis wrote: Where do we start? Doubts Even Here, ICB, Mesh, Cries & Whispers, Ecstasy, Sooner Than You Think, Shellshock/Cock, State/Shame of the Nation, that Subculture 12", Perfect Kiss (edit), Way of Life, All Day Long, Angel Dust, All The Way, Guilty Partner, Times Change, Liar, Young Offender, 60mph, Vicious Streak, Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (album version), Jetstream (album again).
There's been at least one howler on each and every album.
Though I'm sure a lot will disagree.
To be honest I only like 3 of the above tracks,Way of life,All the way,and... All day long is Majestic to me...You just about covered every shite song,and bang on about Perfect kiss an all:D
jetstream,shellshock,state of the nation,fine time(boring stuff)and get ready album-apart from crystal of course
Your right Al the Album version of The Perfect Kiss is shite ?I still play both sides of the 12" on a regular basis.I watch the video alot as well.Just love watching that mate :) :)
MTO wrote: this is my first post here.
i've been a fan since 1991 and i think 'Guilt is a Useless Emotion' is the best song on the album, the chorus is brilliant and it's the only cut on the album that actually sounds like New Order SHOULD SOUND in 2005. and, unlike all the old-fogey rock tracks on the new album, it doesn't make my penis soft.
you guys need to stop listening to so much 'twisted tenderness' or joy division. new order is about the electronic side as well.
and as far as all the MTO haters, i drop that cut in all my old-school house sets and every f00king time i do it, someone asks me about the song - MTO is all about the VIBE, the sound of house in 1989. no other house track sounds like it BEFORE or SINCE.
MTO is so underrated as a dance record.
Glad I got my copy when it came out. Used to play it with a remix of THE BELOVED "Your love takes me Higher"
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Glad someone else thought the same about MTO.
Whenever Barney says "I've got three miles to go" in 'We All Stand' I always think "I've got three MINUTES to go" WHEN IS THIS SONG GONNA END!?!!?
sorry - to the poster above, 'MTO' was the B-side to the 'Run' 12" which was released as the third single off of the Technique LP in September 1989.
is the closest New Order ever got to REAL house music, imo.
Jetstream edges it for me. Even before I heard it I decided it was not gonna make my top 5 NO songs simply 'cos I found out about the Scissor Sisters connection. I hate them.
I'd just like to join the Turn My Way appreciation society, loved it from the 1st listen.
And I think I may be founding a new movement here (haven't read every post, lazy git that I am) but I like World In (Fuckin) Motion. I think it's a great song in the general scheme of things, and definitely the best football song of all time. John Barnes' rap excluded, of course. Stick to the telly presentation John. Oh... hang on...
