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Al Jarvis wrote:
Rocket Mick wrote: And as for LONDON ORDER!
We'll take the Chorley Order any day of the week! Shame you've bottled it from out little meet on the 12th. Have to be the next time then?
TAGGING Order more like.Would have loved to be there AL but you wouldn't believe me if i told you just how POOR i am these days.But look forward to our next MEETING.Have a great time on the 12th aswell.
Jonathan wrote:
Boatraceface wrote:
Jonathan wrote: Mr. Brown, i dont think its funny to have the misconception that gay men would fook anybody with two legs.
Tis ye who misconceives "having a yarn",with "sub-plot pretext".You do have a sense of humour Gaz,we've seen it..So lighten up G..Peace,and I'm sorry if you failed to suppress others laughing...Funny is Funny,be it Gay,straight or Welsh.Enough of the PC thought control tho eh.. :D
That joke would be funny but its the oldest joke and the most predictable joke. In retrospect,for the aformentioned reasons, its not much of a joke. Call me Pc or what you want but this is what i believe. If tolerance is P.C., then i'm guilty of being P.C.
I dont know about this silly idea that i have a sense of humor.
i didnt know it was the oldest joke around. i did find it funny when alan partridge did it about dennis law playing for both sides maybe you should also complain to steve coggan about it as well.
Boatraceface wrote:
I think the Vikings should ignore the knockers,
Not sure Mike could follow this advice.
Rocket Mick wrote:
Al Jarvis wrote:
Rocket Mick wrote: And as for LONDON ORDER!
We'll take the Chorley Order any day of the week! Shame you've bottled it from out little meet on the 12th. Have to be the next time then?
TAGGING Order more like.Would have loved to be there AL but you wouldn't believe me if i told you just how POOR i am these days.But look forward to our next MEETING.Have a great time on the 12th aswell.
You not coming on the 13th either then Mick? Fook it, we'll drop Novelty from the setlist then! Only play the bastard for you!
James Thomas wrote:
Boatraceface wrote:
I think the Vikings should ignore the knockers,
Not sure Mike could follow this advice.
I just want to add my voice to those who have stated that they refuse to be categorised by these silly titles.
I am an individual and refuse to be drawn into any of these silly groups.
BIGINOIL wrote: I just want to add my voice to those who have stated that they refuse to be categorised by these silly titles.
I am an individual and refuse to be drawn into any of these silly groups.
Your Avatar screams Pillige!
Spot the homophobic comments on this thread. I rest my case.
These snidey little gay jokes pop up all over the site, quite often from the same people; if they were about black people would it be tolerated?
Oh god, here we go again. You're still yet to explain your infantile comments from Tuesday night, Craig (mind, Nic had the good sense to lock that thread) and it seems you still won't let it lie. You actually strike me as somewhat of a bigot yourself. One person makes a comment you don't like (or rather, you've misinterpreted the banter) and you have the gall to dismiss a whole tranche of people who attend gigs here as ... homo-phobic! All because of one comment you can't get your head around. When are you ever going to grow up?
Word of warning though: never ever play the race card on this site. I knew you'd roll that one out sooner or later. One just has to scan your blog to find infantile comments like 'people who like Rock The Shack are right wing' (or some-such nonsense). But don't ever even think about playing the race card here, sunshine, cos you'll be shot down in flames.
Al Jarvis wrote: Oh god, here we go again. You're still yet to explain your infantile comments from Tuesday night, Craig (mind, Nic had the good sense to lock that thread) and it seems you still won't let it lie. You actually strike me as somewhat of a bigot yourself. One person makes a comment you don't like (or rather, you've misinterpreted the banter) and you have the gall to dismiss a whole tranche of people who attend gigs here as ... homo-phobic! All because of one comment you can't get your head around. When are you ever going to grow up?
Word of warning though: never ever play the race card on this site. I knew you'd roll that one out sooner or later. One just has to scan your blog to find infantile comments like 'people who like Rock The Shack are right wing' (or some-such nonsense). But don't ever even think about playing the race card here, sunshine, cos you'll be shot down in flames.
I said on Tuesday night i'd let it lie re; divisions, hence i'm not discussing that anymore.
I'm not saying gig attenders are homophobic- what bollocks!
I'm not saying people who like 'rock the shack' are right wing- that's bollocks- if you trawl around the site you'll see i've supported 'rock the shock' loads of times- it's a great song!
As playing the race card- WTF!? Thanks for the warning mate, but i'll say what I want; don't dictate to me what I can and can't post!
What i'm saying is that homophobic jokes are tolerated on this site and they shouldn't be!
If this thread is meant to be about healing divisions then starting jokes about gays isn't the sensible way forward!
You've called me a 'cunt' a 'cretin' and now 'infantile' and a 'bigot'. When have I ever slagged you off? I'm not the one being offensive!
So you weren't being offensive trying to categorize the Vikings as right wing, alcoholic homophobes?
Just cos we've been to a few concerts? Sorry - but you got my goat as well.
As has been explained no-one but yourself seems to have a problem with all this. It's a laugh. Can you not tell banter when you see it? I've worked with, been chatted up by and according to the rest of the Vikings chatted up Gay people. So please gies peace.
Last time I agreed with Tims post on the subject, please read Al's post on the page before for my thoughts on this.
LET IT GO.
Shug wrote: So you weren't being offensive trying to categorize the Vikings as right wing, alcoholic homophobes?
Just cos we've been to a few concerts? Sorry - but you got my goat as well.
As has been explained no-one but yourself seems to have a problem with all this. It's a laugh. Can you not tell banter when you see it? I've worked with, been chatted up by and according to the rest of the Vikings chatted up Gay people. So please gies peace.
Last time I agreed with Tims post on the subject, please read Al's post on the page before for my thoughts on this.
LET IT GO.
I wasn't being offensive about the Vikings; like you say it is banter!
I know some people got upset about my divisions thread, so i've let it go... haven't mentioned it since Tues night.
I saw that some people got upset with the gay jokes, hence my two-penneth worth of defence.
The Vikings issue is already let go; the issue i'm raising here is that gay jokes that upset people on NOOL shouldn't be tolerated, just like jokes about race (that upset people) shouldn't be tolerated. Not a bloody race card- it's a comparison to get people thinking about what they're doing!
It's all a matter of what people get upset about...
Al Jarvis wrote:
john kershaw wrote: don't mention it then. simple eh!
Don't mention what?
the war. i did it once but i think i got away with it.
craig's digitalwaters wrote:
Shug wrote: So you weren't being offensive trying to categorize the Vikings as right wing, alcoholic homophobes?
Just cos we've been to a few concerts? Sorry - but you got my goat as well.
As has been explained no-one but yourself seems to have a problem with all this. It's a laugh. Can you not tell banter when you see it? I've worked with, been chatted up by and according to the rest of the Vikings chatted up Gay people. So please gies peace.
Last time I agreed with Tims post on the subject, please read Al's post on the page before for my thoughts on this.
LET IT GO.
I wasn't being offensive about the Vikings; like you say it is banter!
I know some people got upset about my divisions thread, so i've let it go... haven't mentioned it since Tues night.
I saw that some people got upset with the gay jokes, hence my two-penneth worth of defence.
The Vikings issue is already let go; the issue i'm raising here is that gay jokes that upset people on NOOL shouldn't be tolerated, just like jokes about race (that upset people) shouldn't be tolerated. Not a bloody race card- it's a comparison to get people thinking about what they're doing!
It's all a matter of what people get upset about...
but you're saying it's only the vikings that raise them? maybe not directly, but your vikings = right wing homophobe comment makes it implicit.
quote] your vikings = right wing homophobe comment makes it implicit.
Huh!?
The issue is do people get upset by what you write? If they do then you drop it and apologise. I've already dropped it and i'm sorry if anyone got upset.
Now: Apply that standard to other people. If people get upset by gay jokes then say 'sorry no offence meant'- simple.
Another thing we shouldn't tolerate is people slagging one another off when debating; at least i'm not guilty of that.
craig, if you can't follow comments based on things you have said then i am seriously beginning to question the validity of your choice of faction as being the alumni!
if you are truly outraged about the "homophobia" thats gone on in this thread you really shouldn't view thease boards because it was a silly joke. what could you possibly find offensive is beyond me, now if it was something about Vikings killing Homosexuals or something to that effect i would totally be behind you but this is silly it really is, there was nothing mean or derogitory about it and we all pretty much speak to each other frequently on here. there are tons of comments people make that could be deemed offensive but c'mon are there really any mean spirited attacks on here? people have made comments about bald people in fact there was a whole thread on NOOLers that should get some hair, i being one of them, but its a joke should i be offended?
In fairness, I think it may well have been me who suggested that New Order fans were all heavy drinkers. I'm afraid I still stand by that statement, and indeed include myself amongst the enthusiastic imbibers.
The rest of the slurs are all digitalwhathisnames, though.
craig's digitalwaters wrote: You've called me a 'cunt' a 'cretin' and now 'infantile' and a 'bigot'. When have I ever slagged you off? I'm not the one being offensive!
When have you ever slagged me off?! What the fcuk is this thread - http://www.neworderonline.com/Forums/MessageList.aspx?ThreadID=24033 - all about then?
Now, if that isn't slagging people off en masse (me, obviously, included), then I don't know what is. I'll happily say what I think as you are quickly turning into the enfant terrible of this forum and appear to relish the role.
Now, please explain to me in words of one syllable (so that even an illiterate moron such as me can fcuking understand) exactly why Vikings should be offended by two men kissing?! You are making a blanket accusation against a lot of people here yet you don't see the err in your ways and have little to back up your accusations.
As for the race card, sunshine, I think everyone now knows your partner is black. We know your kids are mixed-race. Like I said, if you ever accuse people here of racism, which is surely the next step from your bullish comments earlier today then I think you'll find that will be just one step too far.
I'm such CDW would love to be seen as the enfant terrible of NOOL, the sad fact though is that he just comes across as someone who has read a couple of books on sociology and thinks he is therefore an expert on everyone, whereas every time he commits his thoughts to cyberspace it just goes to show how little he actually understood of all the books.
Craig - the whole thing is like some theory you have read about in one of your masters' books about social grouping, and you are mistakenly trying to apply it to NOOL, failing to understand how the site's membership has developed from being a purely electronic virtual community to being a highly successful and vibrant social outlet for some, whereas others still live in the virtual community side by side, depending on location etc. All are welcome, not all can make it. Sadly you seem to be of the impression that we're all a bunch of thugs who use the net to communicate, maybe you read some article about organised football violence while studying for your masters into human insight? Have you ever encountered such a diverse range of education, qualifications, skills and attributes such as those possessed across NOOL before? You may never understand that the common bond here is the music of New Order, and that we all come from all walks of life, education, jobs etc to meet up at gigs when we can and communicate online in-between because we like the band and drinking/socialising. I also doubt you'll ever get your head round people flying to Australia, USA etc to see NO, nor people flying in from Serbia, Finland etc. People don't do that sort of thing in theories!
oldmonkey wrote: I'm such CDW would love to be seen as the enfant terrible of NOOL, the sad fact though is that he just comes across as someone who has read a couple of books on sociology and thinks he is therefore an expert on everyone, whereas every time he commits his thoughts to cyberspace it just goes to show how little he actually understood of all the books.
Craig - the whole thing is like some theory you have read about in one of your masters' books about social grouping, and you are mistakenly trying to apply it to NOOL, failing to understand how the site's membership has developed from being a purely electronic virtual community to being a highly successful and vibrant social outlet for some, whereas others still live in the virtual community side by side, depending on location etc. All are welcome, not all can make it. Sadly you seem to be of the impression that we're all a bunch of thugs who use the net to communicate, maybe you read some article about organised football violence while studying for your masters into human insight? Have you ever encountered such a diverse range of education, qualifications, skills and attributes such as those possessed across NOOL before? You may never understand that the common bond here is the music of New Order, and that we all come from all walks of life, education, jobs etc to meet up at gigs when we can and communicate online in-between because we like the band and drinking/socialising. I also doubt you'll ever get your head round people flying to Australia, USA etc to see NO, nor people flying in from Serbia, Finland etc. People don't do that sort of thing in theories!
Am I mistaken, or is that the long overdue sound of a nail being firmly and squarely hit on the head???
Al Jarvis wrote:
craig's digitalwaters wrote: You've called me a 'cunt' a 'cretin' and now 'infantile' and a 'bigot'. When have I ever slagged you off? I'm not the one being offensive!
When have you ever slagged me off?! What the fcuk is this thread - http://www.neworderonline.com/Forums/MessageList.aspx?ThreadID=24033 - all about then?
Now, if that isn't slagging people off en masse (me, obviously, included), then I don't know what is. I'll happily say what I think as you are quickly turning into the enfant terrible of this forum and appear to relish the role.
Now, please explain to me in words of one syllable (so that even an illiterate moron such as me can fcuking understand) exactly why Vikings should be offended by two men kissing?! You are making a blanket accusation against a lot of people here yet you don't see the err in your ways and have little to back up your accusations.
As for the race card, sunshine, I think everyone now knows your partner is black. We know your kids are mixed-race. Like I said, if you ever accuse people here of racism, which is surely the next step from your bullish comments earlier today then I think you'll find that will be just one step too far.
OK, getting to be like a scratched record, but i'll do it;
1/ I am sorry about the 'kissing' thing. I noticed that some of the gay jokes were by people I would have previously categorised as 'The Vikings'. Obviously not you and not all of the people I mistakenly categorised as 'The Vikings';. Now I realise that we can all be Vikings?
2/ I am sorry for offending you personally, but what didn't help is that you've slagged me off a lot in the past before all this Viking malarky.
3/ I don't want to be the 'enfant terrible'. I have held back on occassion (hard to believe I accept).
4/ How can it 'surely be the next step' that I will accuse people of being racist? Jeez, calm down; what i'm saying, if you read what i've already posted, is that people should compare racism to homophobia and then see if it's funny to make gay jokes when people are upset.
5/ Gay jokes and jokes on ethnicity are fine so long as they are not offensive. If anyone does make a racist joke of a nasty nature, this little 'sunshine' will pop up, just as I hope you and others would.
6/ I don't see why you are bringing my family into it. I was just as anti-racist before I had a black family. You don't have to be black to understand racism, although as a Londoner I'm sure I don't need to tell you that.
In summary; I am sorry for all the offence I caused. Really, I am AND i can see that we can all be Vikings and that division doesn't really help.
Will you forgive me Al?
I may even consider meeting up with the gang; just so long as you aren't all too angry with me...
Peace?
craig's digitalwaters wrote: In summary; I am sorry for all the offence I caused. Really, I am AND i can see that we can all be Vikings and that division doesn't really help.
Nice one, it takes a big man, etc.
It's not a case of 'all being Vikings' though. It's a loose terminology, so I've said. We don't have membership cards, or secret handshakes or badges or ... nope, we do have badges ... but it's just a bunch of mates who do gigs, nothing more to it than that. In the same ways as we have the London Order, the Corby Order, the Re-Order, or whatever. I don't know who you know here, Craig, if anyone, but a lot of lads/lasses here are genuine mates of mine so to make blanket accusations against people touches a nerve, especially if my name is also implicitly implied. To me, THIS is what following the Order means to me these days, as does THIS - a lot of people coming together as one for the love of the music, and the social, so I don't like divisions on this forum and don't like to see the Vikings dumbed down. You, of course, are always welcome to join us for drinks wherever and whenever, you only need to keep an eye on these forums to see what's occuring. It's always an open invite, to all.
Al Jarvis wrote:
craig's digitalwaters wrote: In summary; I am sorry for all the offence I caused. Really, I am AND i can see that we can all be Vikings and that division doesn't really help.
Nice one, it takes a big man, etc.
It's not a case of 'all being Vikings' though. It's a loose terminology, so I've said. We don't have membership cards, or secret handshakes or badges or ... nope, we do have badges ... but it's just a bunch of mates who do gigs, nothing more to it than that. In the same ways as we have the London Order, the Corby Order, the Re-Order, or whatever. I don't know who you know here, Craig, if anyone, but a lot of lads/lasses here are genuine mates of mine so to make blanket accusations against people touches a nerve, especially if my name is also implicitly implied. To me, THIS is what following the Order means to me these days, as does THIS - a lot of people coming together as one for the love of the music, and the social, so I don't like divisions on this forum and don't like to see the Vikings dumbed down. You, of course, are always welcome to join us for drinks wherever and whenever, you only need to keep an eye on these forums to see what's occuring. It's always an open invite, to all.
Thank you for accepting my apology.
Apologies also to anyone else I pissed off.
I'll make it along to one of the meet ups sooner rather than later...
Now that we're all sorted again, has anyone got any pubs lined up for the Pre-Peel social?
First round's on Craig :D
Shug wrote: Now that we're all sorted again, has anyone got any pubs lined up for the Pre-Peel social?
No idea yet, there's nish round there really. Couple of bars on the south of Blackfriar's Bridge, and a few around Waterloo. I'm sure there's an AB1 or Slug behind the QEH itself, but can't see them on the net. There's Studio 6 just further along but it's a bit dead and best in summer. Am round there on Sunday, might have a good reccy!
oldmonkey wrote: How about the Fire Station again?
I thought that was a bit far. Er, although it's not that far, obviously! There's a wine bar under the arches right behind the Festival Hall as well but I'm sure there's something else on the road leading to London Weekend Television? (There's a new pub opposite Studio 6, but it's too new, if you know what I mean - bit like a red-brick estate pub).
Al Jarvis wrote:
Shug wrote: Now that we're all sorted again, has anyone got any pubs lined up for the Pre-Peel social?
No idea yet, there's nish round there really. Couple of bars on the south of Blackfriar's Bridge, and a few around Waterloo. I'm sure there's an AB1 or Slug behind the QEH itself, but can't see them on the net. There's Studio 6 just further along but it's a bit dead and best in summer. Am round there on Sunday, might have a good reccy!
Sorteed, we'll wait for your *ahem* intelligence report then 
:D 